*study with me* videos have gone too far... (hustle culture and studytube)
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2021
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We're talking influencer culture today and more specifically extreme study with me videos :)
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01:55 : Estudiar Derecho
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03:30 : ErikTheElectric
08:00 : Zach Highley
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www.monde-diplomatique.fr/202...
Michel Foucault, Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison, 1975.
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I'm a bit fed up with the fact that every discussion around hustle culture and toxic productivity is immediately met with "you're privileged" type of comments. Working 12+ hours a day is not normal, whereever you are in the world, we've never worked that much in the history of mankind. It's not healthy, it doesn't make us happy, more and more students around the world have to take drugs to keep up with the intensity. So yeah, call me privileged, idealist or whatever but we NEED to have those discussions because we can't continue like that, for the future of our generation. If no one says it, how are we going to change the rules of the system? From what I read from your criticism guys, we shouldn't do anything, we should let it happen, younger people are depressed, overworked, on drugs but that's the way it is! I, and many people all around the world do not want to settle for a "that's the way it is". Now in regards to James Scholz, if you actually watch the video, you'll realise that I don't criticise him personally, on contrary, I praise him multiple times for what he does because I understand it's not his fault, like many other students around the world, he has to do that to get a decent job. What I criticise is the culture he's part of. I'm interested in the structure, not the individual, as the last part of the vid shows. We all deserve the basic human right to have time to relax, to learn, read, explore new hobbies, that makes us better human being. Better partners, parents, friends. I used to be a hustler, working 10+ a day, weekends etc, I still am in a way, and yes I have the chance to slow down when I want to, and still enjoy a very good quality of life and I want that to be the case for everybody, not just for me. That's what the video is all about and I recommend you take the time to watch it and actively listen to the arguments I'm making instead of commenting out of anger bc someone else told you I was a horrible person. If you know me and my work, you know I'm dedicated to address the issues of our generation with empathy and tolerance. You're allowed to disagree with me and I appreciate constructive criticism but I won't stop making those videos bc they help people rethink what's wrong in our system and we can fix it.
cope harder bozo
@@vcasxsnk I have some problems with her video too, i still dont understand the part where she compares him about being an example for his community and being a good person to posting things on instagram as a form of revenge. I dont think james is taking revenge by studying and wanting to become a better more competent version of himself. But besides that i understand her she is pointing out the problems in the system and how this is not good in the end. The problem is that people like james dont have time to be thinking about that. I think people get mad because as always we dont have a solution for this at the end. She is criticized for that for not bringing any solutions at the end like she is not gonna bring the solution to capitalism in a video of course her intention is to point out at the problem and be aware of it, so when the time comes and an oportunity of social change happens we will be aware of what is the problem.
I think you should realize the uniqueness of your critique. Now you are not dealing with "just another cultural phenomenon which turned toxic", you are dealing with Ideology. Something many people will defend as it is has become for them the core which they have built their value systems around, and will take it personally, not really considering academic study of culture or theory.
This is quite an immature take. People are providing reasonable arguments not “hating on you.” You were a hustler because you chose to be, but you were able to discontinue this lifestyle *because* of your privilege. You cannot claim to relate to those who have this lifestyle because many, like James, are doing it for reasons that are often out of necessity not an unhealthy desire to be apart of hustle culture like yourself and others who choose to live that way out of neuroticism. You are looking at two separate issues but melding them together. Working 12+ hours a day is not normal to you because, yet again, you’re looking through the eyes of privilege. That’s what you’re not getting. You can’t even begin to fathom a different perspective here. It would have been better to use the face of someone else who is intentionally part of a toxic culture like you were in the past rather than someone who is actively trying to work against a world that would prefer them to fail. No, most students you refer to shouldn’t be doing drugs or studying 12 hours a day for no reason other than to hustle. It’s bad and you bring up valid arguments. But James is not part of that group. James was just simply not a good example and that’s why people are upset.
I don’t think most people would disagree with shorter work days and more free time. The studies on that are true and their benefit to human health is important. We should change our culture to prioritize human wellbeing and stop commercializing the concept of studying. However, I don’t believe the critique of this video is revolving around this. It’s a more of changing the way we see studying - as an extension of capability, learning, and revamping studying from an institutionalized concept (i.e. you need it for a degree, you need a degree for a good job = money) to honing in a skill and actually enjoying the process of learning and refining whatever craft you are in. To me personally, it is also amazing to see how people can studying for hours on end in a culture that maximizes short attention spans and quick forms of information! I know that this form of studying can FOR SURE be toxic and incorporated into a “work over health” mentality, but really I think this form of studying is reclaiming a sense of personal development and learning which is so quintessential to the human state of being. To solely focus on the 12+ part of this phenomenon doesn’t do it justice and easily labels it as “toxic work culture.” I truly believe it’s more than that and there is something going on this subculture that is worth looking at - something not just about “work culture.” Also, responding to the critique of this video by mostly focusing on “privilege” makes it feel like the point was missed.
I like your channel and this was video was still informative. It definitely contributes to a wider discussion that needs to keep happening.
Cheers!
I honestly have a lot of respect for the guy from your thumbnail (James Scholz). He has a video about why he studies so much and it boils down to him growing up with a single mother and him wanting to do the best he can to pay her back for what she has done. I teared up a bit when he talked about his love for his mother and his overall outlook on life. He definitely doesn't seem like your average "hustle-culture-bro".
Quote:
"I wanna buy my mum a big house, I wanna be a great father and I wanna help people.
Things like sitting there on Instagram all day, Watching pointless You tube videos all day don't get me there. It took me 19 years to figure that out."
Yep, talked about that in the video as well
What he doesn`t realise is that he can put all those hours into his work and still not get the promotion. Sad reality.
@@bellam7546 right，so you should just sit back and chill ?
@@bellam7546 How would you know that his hard work won't pay off? There's a lot of opportunities in the country he lives in. Unfortunately not every country has that kind of luxury....so he's taking advantage of what he has.
@@snowflake9049 My point is that his hard work is not the end-all and be-all of his value. But if there are many opportunities in his country, kudos.
After watching James Scholz , its important to recognize the privileges some people have to study/work for less hours and to think about self care. for some people hard work is all they have and to make their life better is what gives their life meaning
@@gamer-pb6eh he's the exception not the rule and I think people are very aware of that... Most people are aware of the fact that they can't study for that long and the fact that they leave the stream is an indication of that 🤣 like...if you can't study anymore, you can't study any more 🤣there's nothing you can do about that... People know this.. People are studying with him for 4 hours where as on their own they would have studied for 1...
I was a regular viewer of his streams for a while and like the first few hours were spent on Japanese so it's not 12 hours of just uni work a lot is also pursuing other stuff
@@GudWithFud does he ever take breaks from staring at a screen?
Exactly
THANK YOU.
A common response I see is "study smarter not harder" but most of us do not know the study method that "works" for us. It always frustrates me how teachers advocate about different learning styles and how every kid learns different, BUT, at the end of the day, still measure students' achievement in an one-size-fits-all assessment
Feynman's method
Active recall
Spaced repetition
Pomodoro technique are the best study methods.
Have you even tried those methods? It's easy to say you don't know which one is the best for you if you don't try them. Also, it doesn't matter how your progress is going to be measured if you actually learned the things you had to...
There are more 70 study method, mostly we can't find them instantly, and we know study still need a big effort even for "study smarter"
Gentle reminder that us teachers are part of a system we have to conform to too. If we could, a lot of us would do things differently, I promise. 💖
this
I studied film and media in college which isn’t the sort of degree that requires intense studying, but wow never in my entire education did I study more than a few hours in a day. Studying 8+ hours is impressive in a way (especially bc I personally could never do that lmao) but also I totally believe that intense studying should not be glorified or set as the standard. In my ideal world, everyone would be paid (at least) a living wage, and work the least amount of hours possible. I’m very on board with the 6 hour workday or 4 day workweek concepts. Education and jobs are important but people deserve the time, energy, and freedom to do things outside of those realms
Absolutely! I think it’s Sweden that trialled the 6 hour workday and found everyone was way more productive because they had adequate sleep, family time, hobbies and enough time to run errands.
No-one was wasting time at work checking Facebook they were just efficient for 6 hours then went home.
YES !
Yes! It's far more important to 'study smart' - ie make sure you only study what you need to, and give yourself breaks so the information has time to stick in your mind (and you get time to relax and take your mind off the stress of exams and study).
That's the fucking dream for me as well. And it honestly is what's fair, the system drains us workers far too much
Also: love both of your channels, girls 💞. Sending love from Brazil :)
I totally agree!
I think 4 day workweeks would be great, as not only would it boost productivity because people can efficiently utilize their focus in those hours but also improves worker's happiness because work doesn't just dominate their lives and they're free to enjoy in the many other activities in life. I was first persuaded into 4 day workweeks by CGP Grey's video "Weekend Wednesday" and how it suggested having Wednesday be a day off so people can rest and be more productive compared to the 5 day work week slog before the weekend barely rests you before the cycle begins again. Although I was dissatisfied that CGP Grey's idea was kind of just keeping the same 5 day work week but just having 2 day offs in-between. I'd personally like a 4 day work week where Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday are days off.
And a way that we can maybe get that living wage and that 4 day work week could be through establishing some economic democracy in the form of worker cooperatives. If you got the time to spare and are interested in learning more about worker cooperatives, I recommend this video watching order which really helped me understand and get behind worker cooperatives while also weighing their advantages and disadvantages. The video watching order is:
1) Second Thought- Worker Cooperatives: Expanding Democracy In The Workplace
2) LonerBox- Capitalism and Worker Co-ops (With a Response to Vaush)
3) Vaush- "Hey, these critiques are pretty good..." Responding To LonerBox
4) Vaush- The FACTS About Worker Cooperatives ft. Rose Wrist.
Warning, watching all these videos may lead to the risk of getting overdosed by all the baseness in these 4 videos.
P.S. Also hey, I guess I'm also going to be graduating college when I'm 25.
You failed to recognize that for some people working that hard is the only option.
James addressed this in a video he posted 2 days after this one. Most of his audience is from developing countries and to these people (and probably himself included) working really hard is the only hope to ever get a good life, it’s everything they have.
It must feel great for privileged kids to have the opportunity to criticize a lifestyle, choose another one and still have a guaranteed dignifying life (while using this kind guys’ image and name unfairly in a video like this), but this is not the case for many.
I get the point of your criticism and I think it’s a good one. But when you criticise parts of a culture that is harmful for its underlying service to capitalism (like the studytube hustle), please do not make your point across using the face of a poor kid. It is unfair. It is like using the face of the victim to report on a crime. Some of us are doing what we can to survive in this unequal world, and as someone who seems to enjoy social criticism so much I am pretty sure you can understand that.
this is perfectly said! And i think she also failed to explain how “we could work together“ or how to counter the “individualism” manner while realisticaly its up to ourself to bring food on the table in the end of the day
well said, I wondered how can she has the audacity to talk about this topic and being so judgemental while she's privileged enough and can't even relate that some people don't even have any choices
@@nadiarh9937 bro if you, the victim of the system, don't recognize the system is fucked up and must be changed or destroyed and you just aligne with it, someone gotta tell you that.
@@perahh7659 study or not, either way we'll have to work our asses off unless we're lucky or rich
@@perahh7659 someone needs to tell you that throwing "the system" like its a secret society in every sentence lf yours make you sound like you posses less than a quarter of a normal brain incapable of forming meaningful sentences.
I love the 12 hours study guy
Yes...same
ikr, james is simply genuine. i get she pointed out the "individualism" he gives off, but hes set his goals and has stated them with the intention of connecting more with his supporters and those who criticize him.
whatever
Same!
@@user-ej7ss8ei2g mad
James has helped me very much, every day I sit for 2-3 on the live. But I never felt that I'm lacking. He never makes us feel that. I agree that studying for 12 hours daily is not sustainable but it's very subjective
@Shimmy Shai I live in a different timeline here the time he wakes up is the time half of my work is completed. If he is not needed by you so why watch him he never forced you to . He does his studies and we do ours . Simple . He is not promoting long study hours . He is just sharing his experience with us .
@Shimmy Shai I also didn't mean any offence , just trying to clarify. And don't be sorry :)
And that study time never goes to waste , it always brings a positive impact even if it's small.
Omg, we are studying 12 hours for years Im a doctor. I have to study that much for a long time. Some people live that way, ı chose that. Why are you shocked by that? You dont study that much thats okay its your life. But some people have to do that and Im happy with my life. its a lifestyle for me. And by the way in these study videos they're not just studying, do hobies and stuff, learning new language etc. so its not extreme studying.
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Amtedoctal. Just because YOU studied that way doesn't mean it's a requirement. You'd be surprised how many medical students to are getting competitive grades without spending 8+ hours studying. Research is showing people how they can study more efficiently, and many have benefited from it
@@TooOldForThis as a medical student. Pls don't think an 8 hours study is even enough for it. I don't know what country you are from but in my country it is mandatory to study for 12-15 hours just because no one wants to live in a lump
@@TooOldForThis no one said all medical students had to study that much
Imho a teenager who has known little if any financial and emotional security all his life and is trying to get to a more comfortable spot is the last to be called for as a toxic hustle culture propagator. He's not doing it for a clout or sell you some masterclass, he just finally has the opportunity to make a more decent life for himself, his family and causes he cares for.
strawman…no one is calling j scholz “toxic hustle culture propagator”
And he mentioned he was raised by a single mother most his life and that he does this to pay back to her mom.
I was always been super hardworking and study oriented girl but these past few months I've been completely distracted James really helped me to find my drive
I owe him a big time❤️
same :)) the only way I study now is with study tubers. I feel like I am not alone.
@@ashleylove6840 that's quite sad bro tbh
@@perahh7659 Not really, it just keeps you in check and makes sure you don't go off topic...
Woah, literally same story. I owe that guy.
@@perahh7659 it's not actually. There are times where we extremely despise and hate studies and these studytubers can be big motivators when you're at ur lowest. Saying from experience
James actually has helped me to organize my study schedule and have the "drive" to sit down and study. It was very freeing to see that someone was feeling lost like I did. NEVERTHELESS, I feel that this videos make me feel inadequate or lazy lol even if I study a lot o do well on a subject, I still feel like I haven't worked hard enough.
But, why you need to work hard?
U need to know what you need
Work less or work hard?
@@MYSECACC123 work hard ofc and smartly.
@@MYSECACC123 Some of us have to learn to be disciplined and that's not a bad thing. I come from a privileged background and did not have to start working from a young age. Nevertheless, my lack of motivation and discipline lead me to be an underachiever at everything I do. From school to hobbies. If I had the drive and work ethic I could be speaking two more languages, and be playing 4 musical instruments, not to mention finish my phd years earlier. So work ethic should not be automatically linked to climbing the corporate ladder and making tons of money. Sometimes you just need to put in the consistent time and effort to prove something to yourself, not others.
wich video did helped you with organization? This may be a very specfic question, sorry about it. I've failed most of this videos because my problem its more related to how I can't start anything, specially when im already fucked with many stuff to do. ADHD hits hard lol.
I understand how you feel and I feel that way sometimes. I hope you can also recognise that, that is how YOU feel and it was not his primary intention to do that to you.
i don't think it's the right thing to kind of judge people for studying long hours. for some people studying long hours is not an option, it is the only option. for instance, i don't study because i want to or because I like it , i simply have to study to catch up with everything. of course, its not healthy, it might be not productive but when u have to do something then u have to do it. I really appreciate James Scholz for his videos, I came across his videos when i needed it the most. i was feeling so down, i couldn't concentrate, i have an important upcoming exam and with all this i felt so overwhelmed and watching james it felt more helping somehow. you're right about everything but we now live in a world where everything got competitive and everyone have to strive and struggle to achieve something so maybe studying is one way for some people to get what they want.
Exactly!
as someone who barely reaches their goal of studying hours in a day, studywithme community helped me see a different perspective of studying itself. I think it builds discipline in the long run and you may struggle these few years of studying, but it is going to be worth it in the end. It is not about competing with your peers when studying but it is about how well you can learn the material and be able to make a best version of yourself.
Really like your comment
I get your point but those studytubers showed in the video are not from india, turkey or china aka they have the privilege to choose
@@yourpiscespenpal7044 And he chose to study hard for 4 years , How is that bad? he still has the rest of his life ahead of him. I "study" mon - fir DISTRACTED all the time. Then I have to do the rest of my studying on sat n sun. He has sat sun off to do whatever he wants. I want that so bad to be able to do anything on sat and sun. But I can't because I don't study efficiently. I can't focus and I am basically on youtube and social media. What he is showing is diligence and perseverance its such good qualities. If you have those you can push through anything.
I really like study with me videos since they kind of make me feel like i'm not just studying in some sort of endless void? Like the video plays and you see the timer counting down and that there is an end to the video + it adds a new dimension to studying, like something more is going on than just you sitting there. But the things you set in this video were so true, especially that idea of defining yourself through your achievements. It has often happened to me that I then suddenly have a bad grade or can't work well anymore and I suddenly feel like I'm not a human anymore, like I have nothing else left to define myself and my worth by
Yes!
Guys you think studying for 12hrs+ can’t be productive because you were never forced to study this much. Kids in almost all the Asian countries and Turkey are HAVE TO to study even more than 12 hours a day for years including myself. I have been studying 6-12 hours a day and I still dont know if I can get into college. It’s stressful as hell because if you go to a regular college you will probably end up in your family’s house after 4 years. I’ve seen how to study 18 hours a day videos in turkish. And people actually DO those kinds of things. Because we are have to. You are really lucky to be not to born in a system like this. It’s turning us into robots.
But how are you studying? And how many subjects do you study per day? How many hours do you designate to each subject? Do you take breaks in between? I think what`s even sadder is that people in developing countries are only overworked to feed the system which aims to keep them down. Europeans still own the majority of wealth in the world.
If you’re asking which techniques I’ve been using, there is a couple of them. 1) I record my voice while I talk about the topic outloud rhen I listen that voice as much as I can. I call this free studying because you can stusy the same topic over and over again while you’re brushing your teeths, eating or doing something else. 2) There is a lot of test books in my country. They are quite expensive and the saddest thing is I’m %100 sure they are been sold way more then normal books. Anyway I use these kinds of books and you should finish a lot of books to get better at topics because they are really hard. 3) I don’t know what you call this in English but I take exams They are like the exam that I will be taking in a couple of months.
I study pretty much everything
Turkish, literature, math, chemistry, geography, geometry, history, philosophy, biology, physics, religion(But we only learn about how great Islam is and why other religions don’t make any sense 🤦🏽♀️)
Usually 3-4 subjects are quite enough if you are staying at home. But its really up to you.
I take breaks whenever I feel like it. I think most people can study for 2-3 hours without breaks I personally don’t like having breaks in every single 25 mins or 50 mins I would rather a longer break after a long study session. I study literature and maths mostly because those are the most important subjects in my major.
And yes I totally agree with you. I have a lot of friends in Europe It makes me really sad to think they can get an education that is so much more qualified then I will get with putting almost no efforts compared to students like me but the point is I will never ever forget how much it took me to do my dream job and I will be so grateful for even being able to have this opportunity. Because if I was born in my grandmas time, I wasn’t even going to get any education as a woman. So Im happy for the fact even though (it is hard as hell) at least I have a chance to make my dreams come true 💜
Fr tho just thinking about the fact that there is a strong possibility that I won't make it to a good college even with the amount of work that I put in is quite scary. It's even worse when you're the eldest kid in the family.
Life really is hard
@@ylia281 Try to think positive my friend. I believe in you. We got this!
The only one who can study really that long is the girl in Chilledcow. Who dare beat her record?
These people use the pomodoro technique which pretty bareble. Still hard tho but very much possible.
sometimes, not having to benefit the system is a privilege too. and sometimes, it's not enough to just admit you are privileged.
like, you put the charge on him because he's doing too much to exit poverty. what alternative would you propose? protesting against the system by studying less?
the system is not impersonal. * we * are the system. I might be wrong, but you seem to have received a curated bilingual education that must have involved considerable financial input. what if this is benefiting the system as well? what if the alternative was transferring the privilege that has benefited you, like (I am going to go far in my assumptions here) your family supporting kids like James instead of focusing on giving you a life that made pursuing humanities possible in the first place? as long as you stand on the other end of what his situation is, I believe it's fair you go against the system, but not him.
I think the good points in this video are weakened by lack of research on James Scholz, he is a very poor choice of a "case study" if you will. In his livestreams he often talks about quality of focus and balancing priorities. The video of his you mentioned doesn't support your points (video by James mentioned in this video czcams.com/video/kICh_d6tHQk/video.html ) and in an interview by studystreamer Enrico Vicente, James discusses his views on the toxic aspects of "study with me" community ( czcams.com/video/taWi2SvyEBg/video.html. )
Edit: After reading your replies to comments why do you assume people haven't watched or understood your video if they disagree? That comes across as very patronizing and disingenuous.
He's the best example of how the entrepreneurial/hustle culture language is spreading in the education system. I stand by my analysis and recommend people to rewatch the video when they comment on things I've addressed in the video.
@@AliceCappelle mika for life 🐈
Ok guess this will have to be one of those agree to disagree things. Best to you in your future endeavors. Cheers ✌️
@@CoartneyGrace nvm her, she is plan wrong
@@LIGHTISBURNING She has such a prestigious attitude toward others' lifestyles. She should take a long look in the mirror before criticizing others.
I think more than the individuals, we need to change the system first. Because in my country it's normal for students who are studying for entrance exams to study for 8-10 hours. So even though most of us don't want to study for that long, we are forced to. So I don't blame the individual people for studying that long, but they are definitely benefiting from a broken system
The system won't change, it's designed like this. If someone wants to work hard let them. No problem with working hard at all.
Exactly, the system needs to be changed, not the individuals. If she wants to truly make an impact, then go out to these third-world countries and help change their educational systems, teach there at least, and see what it's truly like. Don't criticize the individual students.
@@joelrc648 There are actually movements in the US at least and perhaps Canada (I'm still working on the research) but it's known as unschooling. Many parents have now decided to unschool their children and it's not quite the same as homeschooling where you still have to follow a set curriculum. The unschooling system is student-driven and child-driven. Where the children explore their world and decide what they want to study. It's quite freeing and amazing! Do some research into it! I agree if someone wants to study or work hard, then let them, it's their life.
This is something that has always irked me. Coming from a STEM background in a developing country I've been conditioned to work VERY VERY hard, 12 hours, 16 hours, just to pass for one exam. This is why I had to leave STEM. This is mad unhealthy and the system isn't letting us grow habits which help us actually learn instead of be a robot.
Tell me about it 🥲
Coming from a STEM background in the US, I never did more than 7 hours of study a day. To be honest my dude, sometimes the more you study the less you retain and you lose massive returns when you do something like studying for 8+ hours a day. I think it should be 7 hours max or like 8.
Background: Got an Associates in Engineering (basically first 2 years of American engineering school) with a 4.0 GPA, clubs, a social life, and had a girlfriend.
I relate to this so much, entrance exams in India require you to study for hours together. The fault is in the system, that has to change first
I too, am from same background the difference is now I am working. I made sure I never stretch for more than 8 hours despite the booming pressure and was encouraged by my parents to do something as an extra curricular even if it was just for an hour(I trained in dance). I carried on the same from college till work. It is so important to explore different things apart from studies. I work as devops by day, but it is important to do things to take your mind off things even if it's for 30mins to an hours by doing what you like, like trying to pick different skillset
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sorry, but it really felt like you were trying to downplay James here who does not embody hustle culture at all. he has his own personal ambitions and does his best to cultivate a positive environment. he also knows his limits and understands the potential consequences of how long he studies, and he has arranged his life to accommodate it. he knows it isn't for everyone and stresses the importance of knowing your limits, rather than boasting about how long he can study. he also may do it because of personal circumstance as well. there are many other studytubers who reflect and represent your understanding of hustle culture that i really feel you could have focused on as an example to get your point across instead of him.
Yes, I couldn't agree more with you, I automatically dislike the video when I see James as the thumbnail, and doesn't change my mind even after I watched the entire video. As someone who has already following James since he has
He's also one of the few studytubers that talk about the importance of 8+ hours of sleep, which is so nice. Cool video idea, wrong "target".
@@LittleNookBargainShop i get your point but stop putting down alice. i personally find her social critiques quite eye-opening, and even if she got something wrong in this one video, that gives you literally no reason to shit on her.
@@LittleNookBargainShop ...I mean, I'm not OP, but the fact that she's making AdSense revenue here has nothing to do with your comment being unkind.
Even if you had no intention of putting her down, the specifics don't really matter; it's _incredibly_ mean-spirited to gleefully discuss a future where someone you don't even know will have nothing _"lol"_ (wtf lmao).
Like, I love James' channel. I don't ever stay for a full stream, just a few hours of coworking because I find the ambient proximity helps me focus sometimes, but I really am all for what he does and the community he fosters. I'm also super glad that he will be adjusting his hours after things open back up again. Dude really deserves a break.
James seems like a really nice guy, so tbh I don't think he'd like it if he knew his fans were cackling over an imagined future where someone else was destitute. 😬
@@LittleNookBargainShop i'm not quite sure why income keeps being mentioned in your comments bcs I feel like it has nothing to do with the message her video is meant to send. she is merely saying that both the balanced hard working people like James as well as the people who exhaust themselves through unbalanced work to rest ratios promote and give into this idea that the only way you can prosper into this society is by forcing yourself to get used to extremes. sooo, she is adressing a much bigger issue, that is, why should I, why should you, why should James need to work this much? why do we have no choice but to sacrifice rest in order to achieve our goals? why are we essentially forced to limit ourselves to 4 hours of downtime? why are we forced to be free for only 25% of our day? why is society not kinder to the individual?
this is how much privilege i aspire to have in life
Hahahahahaha legendary
💯💯💯💯
avg west eu rich ppl man lmao i hope once in a while they experience real and hardcore competation tahts mandatory not something you sign up for
James has reached this stage after years of practice.
He is no more limited to the ordinary limits.
He is helping a lot of people.
Thank you very much.
Hi✨No hate, just trying to make a constructive critic. Your videos are quite interesting and you have great analysis habilities. But I feel like sometimes your ideas are too one-sided. I would love to hear more nuances or potential solutions to the problems that you are noticing. I would also suggest to make videos about things that are benefiting people and ways to encourage it. I feel like your channel is basically « the problem with ». Which is a very French thing to do lol. (I’m french myself). But in the long run I think your channel would be more enjoyable if you could diversify the type of content (exposing/encouraging). Bonne chance🙂
ooh i agree about the potential solutions and or advice for people thing! also that's interesting, do you mean to say that french people tend to be cynical?
there is no solution that any single one of us can do; simply due to the problems being structural/societal scale. There is one solution though; it’s just not very politically correct to say out loud
If you ever read the Great Gatsby, hopefully you may know the sentence from the very first page. It says and I quote, Whenever you feel like criticizing any one, just remember that all the people in this world haven’t had the advantages that you’ve had. We play our rules, and you play yours. For rules themselves, we suffer from them but also benefit from them. Hope you all the good things.🌸
One of my favourite books! I did not criticize James as an individual but the system that normalises those stories, I was very respectful of the guy and his aspirations and can relate to some of the things he said. I wasn't born wealthy, when my parents divorced we struggled financially, I always worked super hard at school and uni, always had a part time job and even qualified to receive money from the state for my studies so please, do not make assumptions. I know some people have it harder but it won't stop me from shedding light onto the toxicity of hustle culture where I live or elsewhere.
I'm doing this because it is not normal, hustle culture is being normalized and it has to stop.
@@AliceCappelle Then the hustle culture and the toxicity of it should have been the talking point and there should not have been mention of any individual's name; research can be done without mentioning an individual's name by merely using another term such as a study subject. By mentioning someone by name without their consent puts you at risk of a lawsuit. Read the 1995 Communications Decency Act and the legal term Slander to learn more. Just informing the public that calling someone out by name and accusing them of creating a certain environment could be grounds for a suit if said person chose to pursue it.
@@morningdewacademic When you do research and offer an analysis you always use a case study to prove your arguments and James was my case study. That's the basic methodology of any analysis/essay. Now threatening me with the potentiality of a lawsuit won't scare me. I share my opinions freely and respectfully, I always support my arguments. Of course James wouldn't do that because he understands that people can disagree with him as much as I understand that people can disagree with me, why do you even bring up the lawsuit thing? It's important that we challenge each other and be critical about each others' content. That's healthy, that's freedom of speech
@@AliceCappelle A woke ideology proponent talking about freedom of speech? Now that's new.
where is the criticism? thanks
Pretty sure this isn't a James Scholz call-out, she's talking about the system, not 100% about him. Besides, it's not like Alice knew why James studies so hard when she made this video. This video was published at May 9, Jame's explaining video was premiered at May 10, how could she have known his motives at that time. SO chill out comment section!
Yea so many people missed the point completely. Probably because they clicked off, because they're the exact people she's talking about. Even then she does know James isn't a bad guy, but a product of his time (as we all are) and a "cog" in the machine of the ever prevalent and growing "hustle mindset" even if he has good intentions.
Yes "system" this "system" that. What is the system that you guys keep throwing in every sentence that mentions something you disagree with !
@@chumb3784 capitalism
yeah but she needs to do proper research before putting people on her thumbnail man. Not very responsible of her. I also don't agree with the point she makes in this video.
@@adzz21 which point?
idk why but i was feeling offended when you were talking about James. I am not hating or anything but I came across James when I was feeling so down so to hear things like that, about him kinda felt bad. Boy is only trying to study and its not like he's having a million subs or million views so idk why u had to chose him among thousands of other studytubers.
I know right!
She didn't say anything bad about HIM/ the person, it was more about the system that coerced and encouraged him to "hustle" harder than those around him, possibly to the detriment of his mental health.
@@Insanetoaster There are thousands of CZcamsrs who play games all day or twitch and you are worried about this.....
@@ashleylove6840 EXACTLY!!! OMG Finally some common sense
@@ashleylove6840 exactly! There are kids high on drugs throwing away any possibility of a future and she’s obsessing over “hustle culture” and targeting one person?
‘’You’re not helping yourself, you’re benefiting a system’’, ma’am here is your 👑
Merci 🥰
Your avatar, 707 is beautiful💕
Ofc im a degenerate weeb who'd only focus on that anyways saeyoung is the best.
Simp
Ye... what a BS statement. These two do not contradict each other. You can help yourself AND benefit the system.
@@Enerage amen to that
I just wish you did not use James as the subject. He has been really helpful for the majority of his viewers.
couldn't agree more
exactly!
Totally agree.
yeahh totally
Well I'm sure if she would use someone else, someone like you will have make the same comment.
I particular the dude from the thumbnail still does everything a normal person does he streams video games, watches movies, reads books, and hangs out with friends and family, and more importantly he gets 8 hours of sleep. I think a bigger issue is people don’t know how to do time management well it really should be teached in schools.
If you're studying 12 hours a day I don't think you're studying right 🤷
In India you have to study that much to get into the best college here
Tell this to chinese kids
I basically agree. I think that for a program, you shouldn't need 12 hours a day to get through what you need to succeed. That said, as someone in medicine, I can see how if you wanted to know everything there is, you could use 12 hours a day and still not know everything.
If you can focus that long and use that time optimally/gain significantly more than studying less is another story. I always assume there are efficiencies to be made to make things better. I think a lot of people who put in a lot of time aren't necessarily thinking about that and are just grinding out inefficiently.
@@nc-ox4kz while I don't know everything, from what I've seen, it doesn't seem that there is that much emphasis on efficiency in studying and more about putting in the hours assuming it translates to results. I always assume efficiences can be made and think we too often focus on the high effort input instead of the actual output.
not for everyone but for some yes, when you're growing up in a developing country you should study hard
It’s kinda clear you don’t understand the work that under privileged kids have to do
Wow i didn´t realize my recent watching of thses videos was part of a larger trend, and how its there to replace that feeling of "studying with mates at the library" but without all the added benefits of social time and interactions, disscusion of the work, and basically making friends and help eachother out. Its amazing how good it can feel to be so "productive" , but at the same time it really is making us worse in the long run. I watch the thumbnails of those 12hr study sessions and be like "wow so many people study THAT amount of time??? how could I ever compete??"
I didn't realize these videos were getting so popular during quarantine. That's kind of wild, actually! As an engineering student, I feel like I haven't studied since last March, because online classes have just been easier to stay on top of hahaa. Most of my friends are the same. but perhaps that's just senioritis...
Lucky you! 💀😂
My two engineering student friends who had to take Calculus and Statistics online would very harshly disagree with you, lol.
Yeah likewise masters engineer here and it honestly hasn’t been that heavy on the workload - stress in small intense pockets but manageable !
@@ajiththomas2465 intro classes tend to be more difficult than the upper-level courses you take (at least in my opinion!). hopefully your friends are done with the worst of it!
@@vastava
Yeah, my friends are done with their finals. My younger brother also finished his finals as well, one of them being Organic Chemistry online. Man, it's difficult subjects like Calculus, Statistics, Physics, and Organic Chemistry that are just nightmares to take online.
Yesterday i played crab game for 10 hours, it was just because i loved playing it. So if people are studying for 10 hours it’s because they love studying……..My statement now enforces that you should do what you love, but considering that all of us don’t have career choices to what stream or major to choose that you’ll love…… especially third world countries. So i guess if u can’t beat the medical student who studies for long productive 10 hours and you can’t, you have no right to criticise that student… because that student loves medical school… don’t speculate that people are revengeful or lonely or whatever is… that gives them motivation to study.
Working 12 hours can be totally normal and even not enough, I'm a medical student, during this year I have been working from 8am to 10 or 11pm every single day (except sunday, i finish at 8pm) and that's actually quite normal for all students in my field....
People like James were fucking helping us during this year and there's absolutely nothing wrong about that.
You are a medical student --> you need to work that much
That's not what he says that will force us to work as much as him.
But he's there when we need him when we lack motivation.
If you don't need to mork that much, you don't, that's it.
No student will die from their videos.
Students will die because they don't have enough money because governments (at least mine, in France) don't give a shit about financially helping us, we can die they dont even care. THAT is the problem.
James, Heleen from study vibes, they have been helping me so much when I was in total destress during this year.
You clearly don't understand what students like us can go through, and that's actually your video that is "extrem".
If that makes other students "bad" because they feel like they don't work enough, I mean, maybe that's because they don't.. You absolutely don't have to work as much as a student from a totally different field does on the social media, you just need to work enough to achieve your goal, pass your exams and that's it.
If working half the time James or Heleen work is enough for your goals, you work half the time and you achieve your goal. The whole point is to have someone motivating you, making you feel less alone, and they are doing it pretty well.
I never heard them encouraging to work too much or to force anyone to work more than they should.
If people don't get it, that's on them.
i totally agree with you. james is one of the hardest working person I've come across... he is super motivating in a good way. he doesn't force us to sit and study like him for 12 hours... it's totally up to us how much we study. i
i too study medicine... amd this video of hers make me feel lazy already... she has literally sown a seed of lethargy in my head ugh!
You're absolutely right and I relate to your experience a lot. Good luck with your further studying.
@@pommagranita exactly and I just love Heleen from Studyvibes. She started her channel to help herself get better in maths and ended up graduating with a degree in chemical engineering, now if that doesn’t prove what hard work can do, I don’t know what can! She’s one of the first ones to livestream study with mes and I’ve been enjoying her channel for a few years.
Personally, his videos helped me out alot. I don't study for 12+ hours day. Heck, I barely do 2 hours. But what he has been saying is that you should stay driven no matter what your goal is. Seeing him study day by day shows that there has to be some sort of consistency and determination behind what you do in order for you to reach our goals. Geez louiiise.
In some countries it is pretty normal for students to study 8 to 10 hours each day especially if they aspire to get through a competitive exam. So it's not an option for us to sit back and relax. Almost everyone studies for hours to stay at the top but not all succeed. However that doesn't mean they stop trying. To get into reputed colleges and subsequently go on to ensure a job, we need to put our best foot forward. The system is obviously broken but we can't complain unless we reach a position where we hold as much power to do so. Hence either we can sit back and whine about our system or put efforts to reach to the top. James Scholz has provided me with ample motivation in the quarantine period. Most students who had no other option but to keep hustling surely found a factor of relativity in him. No one willingly puts so much effort when they can do something more entertaining but some people just don't have the privilege to choose.
This is absolutely true. Thanks for writing this!
It's not about doing something more entertaining or privilege. If we want to make sure each individual has a job we NEED to shorten working days. That's the reality. And I'll always advocate for deep structural change where I live, or in the countries I'm familiar with because if nothing changes here and we keep on refusing to talk about the dangers of hustle culture because someone have it harder somewhere else, we'll never make any progress here or elsewhere. As I said in the video, I respect James and my analysis regarding what he's doing was very nuanced, very respectful. I've watched his streams while I was writing my thesis and benefitted from his videos. Nevertheless, I'm always very critical with the content I consume and if I don't agree with something I say it, just like I would say it to a friend or a family member. It's healthy we're having those discussions and I'm happy James addressed the criticism he received.
@@AliceCappelle It is definitely about privilege. There is a dearth of well paid jobs in most third world countries. The education system is also rigid and cut-throat. Some competitive exams can only be cracked if you've practised for hours, every day for a year. What do we do until the system changes? Stay at the bottom? Again as I've said, some people don't have an option. Does it mean that I like studying 10 hours everyday? No. However I know that's what I have to do. The education system is not the same everywhere and I hope people will acknowledge that. I definitely want the system to change and for it to be flexible enough for us to pass exams just by studying for a few hours, however it would be extremely stupid of me to think about what could and couldn't be and not push myself to do what is the need of the hour. Some people don't have a platform or the resources to complain. To bring about a structural change, we first would need to hold that amout of power and impact over the society. I am respectful of your opinions, but just was letting you know the situation of one of the many countries like mine. We can discuss all we want but at the end of the day it does not change the truth of our education system.
@@arundhutiroy2238 I do agree with you in that I'm lucky to have a platform where I can talk about those issues. Yet, I make sure I have conversations about those issues with people all over the world, I recommend the work of researchers that have worked on those issues, I vote for the right people. I'm probably going to have to study 10+ a day for multiple months when I'll prep for a competitive examination in two years, and I'll do it, I know I've done it in the past and can do it again. I'll comply until the system changes but I'm gonna make everything in my power to make it change. Where I live or elsewhere.
@@AliceCappelle Exactly. You are gonna comply until the system changes. Every one has different number of years that they have to comply to this for. This is what the hustle-culture is about. You can't put someone who studies for 12 hours a day on the spot when you know that you yourself will do it, if needed.
Some countries are backward in terms of political and economic progress and with a billion population, we need to strive to prosper. There are also family situation, schools, immediate peers which contribute to how we perceive studying.
That being said,I am glad that you are using this platform to have these discussions, it might be insightful to some people especially after the quarantine. Also immense respect to you for writing back, not shying away. I hope your voice is heard, we still have a long way to go.
The 6 hour workday is a privilege which many of us cant afford .
you can not just study 6 hrs and indulge in hobbies when everyone around you is studying 12 -14 hrs each day. You cant afford to have anything which is distracting you when you know about the few college seats across the country where at least 18 people are studying day in and day out for that 1 seat .and thats just a sad reality many of us grow up with.
and alice your point is good but it will remain like a fantasy for many because of the system we have .
My favorite hustle culture or entrepreneurial phrase- “This is going to DISRUPT this market”
as someone who's depressed, might have adhd (not trying to self-diagnose but there are signs), and burnt out from being in a pandemic and learning online for a year (with no spring break this semester as it was canceled due to covid), my prof yelling at us to just be more productive, eat burritos for dinner because "you can work in one hand and eat with the other," and on top of that "no netflix til summer," doesn't help for SHIT but may i just say YES to this entire video
That’s so problematic for the prof to encourage. I’m sorry 😢
@@dreaming9to5 lmao it’s okay I at least realized it was problematic I even ranted to my other cooler prof about it and this one was super encouraging about taking breaks and taking care of my mental health
Hi Kaitlyn, I am in the same situation, I'm trying to get a diagnosis for ADHD and I'm burn out and self isolating in my dorm during the pandemic, this while professors are always more and more demanding and I'm supposed to study after 6 hours of lessons, then do homework and chores and maybe sleep, if you need to talk anytime I'm here, we can do this
Cry me a river. I’ve known people who do way more than that and I never seen them complain. If you want a easy way out get an easier degree.
@@Lorena-jp7ws that a sign that the degree your doing is to hard for you. You did it to yourself.
Why is poor people trying to improve their life always seen as " toxic hustle culture". Its only people from financially privileged backgrounds who can afford to fucking chill and just meander through life.
Right? In my position as a poor person if I don't work hard I won't be able to survive or feed myself ,my country won't give a shit about me ...especially as a woman who will be forced to marry if I don't prove myself..privileged western people really live in clouds...
ye wtf, I come from a relatively poor italian family and i'm trying to study computer science to support them, i'm just 15 right now and i'm trying to go to uni to study it. this video just gives me "i know better" vibes
James is not a part of this problem.
Yes he is. He may not be the cause, but he certainly takes part in it. He promotes this unhealthy and deadly lifestyle and doesn't even give an disclamer or recources where you can inform yourself.
@@saaaaskia Unealthy and deadly according to what standards? Oh, by the standards of the inaccurate studies you shared? Gotcha. LOL.
The problem is capitalism
@@dontwasteyourheart The problem is socialism and corporatism, in my opinion.
I do dread hustle culture but I do genuinely need to get better at being productive. I'm kinda struggling balancing seeking a better self improvement mindset while also not buying into toxic productivity. Currently I'm definately leaning much more towards the side of not being productive enough lol
Yeah, it's hard to find a balance
It's all about taking small steps - going from sitting in bed watching movies all day (*cough cough* me this week) to a 12 hour study day is guaranteed to tire you out and end in more procrastination. Try and see studying as a rewarding process - you might understand tricky concepts more, or gain a new perspective on a topic! - rather than a massive slog you have to get through in order to achieve something. It's best to take as many breaks as you need, even if you're worried that you're taking too many. Everyone's brain is different, and giving yourself time to relax usually means that you absorb info a lot better!
It's a process, eventually you'll find a balance that works for you.
med school is the best example of this. i remember studying for incredibly long hours during exam season (which amounted to roughly 2 months twice a year). my study days would last anywhere between twelve and fifteen hours. did i pass all my classes ? yes. did i get my degree without having to retake a course ? yes. but it also left me completely broken, and in hindsight, i believe it became counter-productive. i could've had the same results with more efficient methods. some of my friends studied less but had better grades, and i felt really envious. the issue is, instead of asking them for help on how to improve my work method, i beat myself up and told myself i had to study even more, because they were obviously smarter than me and i should work harder to get on their level.
Well now you know! Don’t beat yourself up!
Watch Ali Abdaal and you could have studied 7h or less
the problem isn’t the hours put in, the problem was you. You even said that your study methods weren’t efficient.
I hope you’re aware that you’re speaking from a very privileged point of view.
He’s just helping people find their drive,he’s not telling you to follow his schedule
With all due respect to freedom of expression, I think that you could have used another type of thumbnail and not someone who perpetuates a positive approach to learning.
I have been studying along with "study with me" videos for quite a while now and I could say that James had one of the healthiest mindset towards learning and encourages his audience to ease into it day by day.
I have also watched some of your videos (loved some of it) but I think that this one has gone a little bit disrespectful.
I completely agree. Let's not forget that James is only 21 years old. And for some people this might be the first time they see him (in the thumbnail) and will judge him based off of this negative dialogue...This is just plain bullying. She could have proven her point without James' picture. But alas, anything for clout.
@@dancequeen1080 I think you described my thoughts better than I did. Thank you.
It is true that others who didn't know him might judge him off of this video, quite a problem considering the amount of unnecessary hate he's getting for simply studying.
@@Lea-cy3lb it breaks my heart because the kid is trying to do good. The internet can be such a toxic place.
@@dancequeen1080 I absolutely agree! It's his life, let him do as he wishes and she should just go on with her life.
off topic, but i love ur louis pfp!
"Form of revenge.." girl what? You're bending his character to fit your narrative. You should be more objective, being critical also implies being critical of yourself.
I think it is counterintuitive to simultaneously claim that individuals need to be valued for personality traits that make them distinct, and say that individualistic goal-setting is bad. It’s highlighted here in the way in which you ascribe “emptiness” to words like “drive”, as James uses them.
Furthermore, it is self-defeating to claim that James is acting on “societal” factors that make him work so hard, and that he is contributing to excessive work; while imposing what you subjectively perceive as his motivations. To illustrate, I could just as well claim that you used his mindset video in your thumbnail to garner views, and “nudge” your audience towards associating him with the other individuals you’ve mentioned in this video. I understand that this might not have been what you intended. But similarly, your perception of James might not be (and I personally believe that it is not) an accurate representation of his actual motivations.
If individual personality is to be respected, I feel their motivations for doing what they are should be heard, and they should be given liberty to do what they want. Declaring that someone is definitely a conscious agent of something you identify as a negative trend, is very patronising. It does not do justice to the circumstances that that person might be living in. James, from what he identifies as his driving factors, is quite different from the others you’ve highlighted in this video. And even for them, I don’t think it is alright for someone to virtue signal what one “ought” to do. I could say that compulsively pointing flaws in people who are studying, however they want to, and for their deeply personal reasons, breeds skepticism and hate towards people who choose to do that. In that sense, I can see your video being provocative towards such a trend as well. That wouldn’t be particularly healthy either, would it?
That’s my opinion on this. I would really advocate letting people be for something like how much work they are putting in voluntarily, and not trying to fit them into generalised notions that you may individually have about social trends. As you said, personality should be respected, and personal circumstances are perhaps one of the most important components of the same. It would help to be conscious of that.
Well put !
Very very well put. Thank you for writing this!
@Shimmy Sai the message here is that such videos are components of a general social trend that perpetuates forceful studying. Except the fallacy is that an individual is an agent bearing responsibility in that scenario. An individual can study however much and however long they wish to.
So to answer your question, nobody has the right to call you a bad person because you may opt to study 1 hour. Likewise, from the same principle, nobody has moral legitimacy to call a person who is studying for 12 hours a propagator of a negative social trend. Your motives in doing whatever you are, with respect to studying are purely your own, and the same principle cannot operate differently for different people, right?
The correct argument, logically, would be to argue against youtubers who fake-study to get validated from a popular trend. The moment someone chooses to do so voluntarily, and upload a video of themselves doing it, they are just acting as a moral agent. At that point, it isn’t justified for anyone to say they are “wrong” for doing that, by subjectively categorising them as agents of a trend they happen to dislike. Through this argument the critic assumes moral superiority over the subject, in this case, James. This is morally illegitimate.
@Shimmy Sai absolutely, you may well do so. But that doesn’t explain the moral problem in this video.
@Shimmy Shai
Assuming that an individual voluntarily studying for 12 hours as a free agent bears moral responsibility for a trend the commentator identifies as a problem. I’ve explained this in greater detail above.
Also, it’s logically inconsistent to say individual personality is important while denigrating individual goal-setting.
(Also, I read that you’re “pissed” at my response in an earlier comment. I bear you no ill will. This is not a personal fight, and as I’ve said, you can do anything you want - even choose to not study at all. Nobody is in a position to tell you what to do. However, the principle needs to be applied equally to someone who chooses to do otherwise, and study for 12 hours on CZcams. There is no “moral” differential between the two actions, except for the fact that more people in society hate on the latter choice of action, while it also happens to get you material success. People have a right to choose that course of action, and nobody (emphasis added) can claim that that is a “systemic” problem, and that the person is acting illegetimately. Society is pluralistic, and different sections value different norms. To illustrate the inconsistency, even in claiming that “this is too much, and you’re becoming a slave to the system”, all you’re doing is echoing the voice of the opposite faction - which, incidentally, happens to be a societal structure. These claims are morally symmetric.
My point is that you should separate “voluntary” individual action (which will have social influences no matter which course of action you pick), from commentary on social problems generally. This is violated when subjective perceptions are imposed as being the “actual” motivations of people.
There is a lot of literature on this. Interestingly, it is also something that both of the most prominent philosophical groups (utilitarians and deontologists) in contemporary discourse agree on.)
nah but Asian countries.... the stress levels here .... bro yallsdon’t know fr... 8 hours a day is bare minimum here...
It definitely is. 8 hours of study and 8 hours of sleep leaves you with 8 hours to do what you desire. It's perfect balance between productivity, health and enjoying a hobby...
@@maryanamendes837 True but in the Asian school systems, only studies are what matters. in crucial years, we give up our hobbies , work on 5-6 hours of sleep , etc. balance is non existent here lol
True but that is sad actually. There is a LOT of parental and peer pressure in Asian countries. The competition is on another level. (your user name btw XD)
@@angela-cu7cn yeah... it’s draining on a level I can’t explain. (hehe)
@@maryanamendes837 except you forget to put the 8 hours of attending school in there.
Thanks to all study with me videos.. Helped me sit down and study . I don't agree with you at all. All these people are working hard in their life and motivating others in the process.
There's nothing wrong with motivating people to study. But it is wrong to motivate people to aspire to be productive 24/7 or to study for hours a day, knowing your brain won't process more than a few hours of subjects.
@@lunayen nothing wrong if one is willing to study that much. Even though they live stream 12 hrs a day, they do a technique called pomodoro and often take tea breaks, lunch breaks and all.They leave their chair empty for a hour sometimes even though the stream is live .
@@lunayen he's not encouraging anyone to do what he does, he said it's just what works for him
Bruh this girl uses words my brain can’t comprehend the way I was just staring at the screen tryna understand lmao I got a headache 💀
don’t understand what the problem is tho, the study youtubers have made me feel so motivated and yeah ofc it sucks to not be like them but at the end of the day it’s a goal
that’s not the point of the video. the point wasn’t that “it sucks to not be like them”
can i first start off by saying that finding your channel was so great - I found your takes on things rather insightful, especially your take on conservative feminism.
but ngl, I found that this video was done in bad taste and not something that I could continue watching. I do agree that hustle culture is definitely worrying - innately, some people can only study for a couple of hours a time, and other people can study for lengthy amounts of time. I have to admit that I belong to the latter, in which I often find that studying is very grounding for me and I don't really see anything problematic that needs to be called out. Similarly, he is just minding his own business, posting content that he enjoys and there's the video saying "study videos have gone too far - " guy is just... doing his thing. honestly, i have faced similar criticisms as well - almost word for word, "oh no one will acknowledge you even if you work hard", "oh that's too much", "like what's the point" which really feels unfair because then, these outsiders are making assumptions and taking away my autonomy as a human being to make a conscious decision to do something that i want to do - which is that i choose to work like this because it feels best for me, and a lot of it feels like projection at some point - like "i can't do it so i'm going to shit on someone that can" truly, truly - not a good look to have.
if you ask me, it boils down to personal preference. i personally wouldn't feel right if i didn't study for one or two days and i think its similar to how some people say "i can't study for more than 3-4 hours a day" both are fair and valid but why is that when someone studies for 12 hours a day, everyone finds it so fun to beat them up for it? isn't true inclusivity when two people of different spectrums can respect one another? i didn't really feel that respect coming into that video.
i understand trying to deconstruct and understand toxicity in a certain culture is a step in the right direction of building a healthier culture where our needs are all respected but I don't like how people who work harder are guilted for it. we ain't guilting you for your needs, so stop guilting us for ours. we're not killing anyone, we're just minding our own business and doing our thing.
"I don't like how people who work harder are guilted for it" (2) YES. 100%.
well said!
So well said! He gets up every day turns on the camera and works on his studies as well as attending classes, it's not a whole 12 hours of non-stop studying, he does take breaks and he attends class. I can't agree with you more that it's just wrong to put someone down because they live or do something differently. Accepting other cultures and differences in people is what should make the world go round but this video is a poor example of that as well as many of her other videos.
@@studyn9149 Exactly! This summarizes a whole bunch of my struggles
Leave our boy James Scholz alone!
Are we seriously bringing drama to study creators now...what the actual fuck. Pardon my french...You do realize that it takes stamina to build the kind of determination that James has right? So many of his viewers, including myself, have ADHD...we can't go into the library anymore...being able to see someone study, and enjoy the process is so motivating...he also exercises after he studies...I do agree the amount of work students have to do is way too much, but having said that, we all need to survive, we all want to change the world, and that takes effort. In a world with extreme distractions, we need extreme focus, so until the world transitions to a eutopia of universal balance, James is a fucking super hero in our eyes. You need to stop targeting this poor kid, he's literally working so hard, and helping others in the process. This video is going to bring negative energy into a realm of youtube where people are already struggling with the best ways to study.
I would recommend you (re)watch the video 😊
@@AliceCappelle I did. Don't agree with you at all.
@@dancequeen1080 I can totally see your point! However, I highly doubt this video was made with the intention to bring James down
He is also an inspiration to me, specially because we come from a very similar background where we both were raised by a single parent.
Rather this video is more as a sort of reflection of how competitive society has become - not to even mention how even hard its to get into a good college in certain countries - he's done a lot for us to give us more motivation but until some extent And limitations
And the problem is that, James does 12h but there are way more CZcamsrs who will do more than 12h daily and I feel that some students will see that as the only way to get things done - work, studies
I'm more in between both sides and I think we should consider both perspectives
@@linasg90 We can definitely consider both perspectives, but she did not have to use James as the thumbnail. It's people like her that drive others into depression. Her and others alike forced James into an explanation on his lifestyle, and made him talk about things maybe he didn't even plan on discussing. This pisses me off. I'm not a James number 1 fan or anything, but he represents a younger version of myself, and I empathize with him. You people have no idea how much work it takes in some of these programs, and at what cost we have enrolled ourselves into these educational programs. It requires work, and if someone is happily completing 14 hours a day of studying, that is a level of discipline that should be celebrated. I watch James because he leads a healthy lifestyle. I now take breaks between my hours, which is something I would not do before. I eat healthier, and even exercise more than before because he has set a great example. Using James as a "case" for this video was completely ignorant.
@@dancequeen1080 Hi, I just have to say I don't like the tone of your reply and how you imply a broad generalisation.
I know how hard work it takes to get into a good uni, and specially for lower income families with only one single parent raising you. I know how hard it is, in Colombia is not an easy ride either. Took me years and years to get things done properly and get a chance in a good uni.
Perhaps, she couldn't have used James as the thumbnail, but I think it was worth talking about him because even though he is doing whatever he wants to do without any intention of harm, he can indeed mislead some people if he doesn't put any sort of disclaimer.
Doing this kind of lives video also bring responsibility for others, and I believe everyone even in James is subject to positive criticism.
Now, really, if you don't like this channel no need to bring hate to her and say stuff that it isn't being said or done here. Really, disrespecting someone else isn't going to make things better.
I'm finishing this conversation now.
Good day, ma'am
Don't hate on James at lease he has his own goals and wants to achive them.
I don't :) As I said in the video, I very much respect him
@@AliceCappelle no...you think you are but its fake
@@AliceCappelle so why use his picture in the thumbnail intentionally portraying him in such a negative light or maybe to attract his subs.
Good point.. But I would rather study than spend hours on social media or watch "the Kardashians". I do agree with the dangers of the extreme to the point of losing a bit of social life. But as a student (graduating), and an introvert.. I really prefer this study buddy thing. I would do it for max 7 hours a day, it has become a habit of mine, no pressure. I really enjoy learning, I don't know when I will get tired of it, hopefully not before the graduation. As for hustling?? oh no! not for me..
There are many nuances to this. A period in life where one heavily applies themselves to something might be their ticket out of unfavorable circumstances or poverty. On the other hand not everyone has various privileges needed to be able to pull of 12 hour work days. My opinion is no one knows the full background on why someone does what they do and comparing yourself to someone else, while understandable and human, is usually not very beneficial, especially if it starts affcting our mental health. Listen to you body, stay cognizant of your mental health and try to balance it out with your goals. That's the best you can really do.
I don't know why people talk badly about people that work as hard as these people on study with me videos. If you want to work 4 hours a week, then just do it, but I don't think it's right to say "you are only benefitting a system". What if he wants to become the best he can be in his work? Why is it insane?
We praise people like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan for their achievements, but when we see it in places outside sports, it is seem "as too much".
You won't get at the level of these guys I mentioned in your particular field, if you are just winging it.
Saying that working 12h, or saying that "you should read deep work" imposing that he is studying wrong. How would we know that? We don't know what is in his notebook, we don't know his methods.
Saying "this cannot be healthy", when he said that he sleeps for 8h and takes care of his health, because he knows that everything goes together.
You don't need to want to do the same thing as this CZcamsr. But it isn't wrong. Especially since he is working for himself, he is doing something for him.
You won't get to an incredible level of your field, with just working a little bit everyday. You may be good, but you won't be incredible. Not everybody needs to want this life. But what is wrong with the people that choose this life?
Yes and I was very respectful of his journey and aspirations. I have myself always worked super hard, always had a part time job alongside my studies but I'm not denouncing individuals in this video, I'm targeting a system that normalises hustle culture. I believe in a society where each individual is contributing to his community in a meaningful way, and is not being forced to be the best in his field and outperform the other ones to be successful. I don't believe in extreme individualism. As I said in the video, working 12h a day isn't healthy, as running several matharons a year isn't healthy, it's just a fact, our bodies aren't programmed for that and it takes a toll on our health in the long run. If we want to secure a job for every citizen, we definitely need to rethink our approach of work.
@@AliceCappelle By putting him in your thumbnail you targeted him too. By using him as your "case study" you targeted him too. And it's sad that you're denying that. Hustle culture is not just a "system". According to your definition, it is also fuelled by individuals. And providing a shallow analysis like you did in your video is intellectually dishonest. You want to reach a point where we secure a job for every person on earth? Fair enough. How are we going to do that in STEM fields? They're not exactly like communication studies where for each exam you need to read like 3 books to reach a level a level of mastery. Because disciplines in STEM actually require mastery if we want our building to not fall apart, for example. Basically you're saying that in order to reach that point, it is more favourable to reach a point where we finish our undergraduate studies in 8 years instead of 4 because *you* (and I suppose biased studies) think that it's better that way? Your reasoning makes zero sense.
@@federica4829 Neoliberalism is the system I'm talking about and hustle culture resulted from it for the benefit of that very system. Socialism is what I support and also, I hate that degree elitism. Each and every degree is challenging in its own way. Every degree require mastery through learning and practice. A bad political scientist is a dangerous for society as a bad engineer. I know a ton of very talented engineers, doctors who maintained a healthy work/life balance while doing their degree. My med students friends all agree on the fact that they have forgotten most of what they have learned in premed and that that system needs to change. Mastery doesn't come from reading and learning a ton of books, true masters are the ones who are able to question what they read and innovate, they are disciplined, yet dedicate time outside of studies or work to better themselves and not fall into the hustle culture trap. I've read countless autobiographies of famous scientists and thinkers and know for sure that we've become way too complacent with the system and what it demands from us.
@@AliceCappelle I'm not disputing the fact that each degree might be difficult in its own way. I'm saying that in STEM fields the workload seems to be much heavier because if a road is badly conceived and built, people might die. That's why it's required so much from students in STEM, in terms of hours to put into work, attending to classes, being in labs and so on. If someone wants to be a journalist and studying communications, more power to them as far as I'm concerned, but if they put out a story that contains a few grammatical errors, well, in that case there's not really the possibility that people might die. Is this degree elitism? I don't think so. I don't believe there are first class and second class degree. Human knowledge is fascinating *as a whole*. I have a comparative literature Master's degree, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that if I make some mistakes while speaking English (I'm Italian) it's the same thing of when some engineer make some calculating errors in a project. And THAT'S why STEMs degree are deemed as more difficult. Because the cost of making mistakes is higher than other fields, pretending otherwise is, once again, intellectually dishonest. And just to reiterate, what is healthy for you might not be healthy for other people. Not everyone has to subscribe to your definition of what being healthy is.
@@federica4829 It's not my definition, it's what scientists say, there are countless studies about stress related diseases, cardiovascular problems, constant fatigue, burnout, loss of memory and so on and so forth caused by overwork.
I fell victim to the ‘studying for a crazy amount of time each day’ for a long time. After years and a lot of work I am finally having balance and it’s so freeing.
When I was in school I used to come across these types of videos all the time and while I was always very impressed by people who are so committed and hard working and study for so long I couldn’t help but be jealous and self conscious. I could never study for more than 3 hours at a time, I have a very short attention span and get distracted very easily, cause my brain would always run 100 km per hour and wanting to connect different ideas and theories that have nothing to do with the topic I’m studying but remind me of something else.
Same lol
We're just wired differently 😅
That's why they don't study for 16 hours straight. They all use the pomodoro technique which makes things muuuuch lighter. You should check it out though. Oh and 3 hours focus is very impressive
Economics is not a zero-sum game. Under no circumstances can the ambition of some people be detrimental to your own life projects. The fact that some people are working harder than you and making more money than you doesn't hurt you in any way or put you in a worse spot. Comparatively? Yes. But not in absolute terms.
I'm aware that James Scholz's lifestyle is not for everyone and I'm not implying that dedicating your entire life to productivity, self-improvement and long-term goals is better than spending some time every day playing videogames or having fun with your friends, to each their own. Not everyone is equally ambitious or finds happiness at the same places, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, criticizing these kinds of people to the point of even shaming them is absolutely ridiculous. We owe our prosperity to all the different workaholics that lived throughout history, generation after generation, and whose self ambition and individualistic mindset have brought great things to all of us who live in the present time. Those people are not "an endemic problem" to society. They are, in fact, the solution to said problems, and to all the future ones that we will inevitably have to face.
It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
Did James really deserve that thumbnail? Or is this just a clickbait? I think that he explained clearly why he studies 12 hours a day and why the most important thing is not to follow his routine, but find your own. Do your research again, or at least watch his latest video.
You're pointing to something very interesting! I've watched ton of hustle culture gurus in the past, I was quite into it at some point and the narrative doesn't change, even with James, they'll always argue that you don't have to do what they do, yet millions of people follow them and copy what they do so it still perpetuates hustle culture and extreme individualism. I don't like that, I'm making a video about it while respecting James' work, his discipline, what he has accomplished and his future ambitions. I'm not attacking him, I'm just being critical as I would be critical with friends doing things I don't support.
@@AliceCappelle But did you really need to put him on the thumbnail? Your video has brought so many weirdos commenting on his study streams.
@@hightempo5175 Not sure about that, my analysis was very very nuanced, I didn't attack him and the people watching my videos usually have the same approach as me aka being critical not aggressive. And yes, I put him on the thumbnail, I watched a lot of his videos and decided to make him my case study but his case is very peculiar. He's not like those millennial hustlers that you see everywhere, yet he has the same language, follow the same lifestyle, read the same books and has similar aspirations and I found it super interesting.
@@AliceCappelle Take him out of your thumbnail. I never even heard of you until i searched "james scholz study..." Stop using him for clout...
@@hightempo5175 She's straight up being a bully. She could have easily brought up her points without using him in the thumbnail...but no...anything for clout.
Seeing all the people fanatically defend James Scholz here; Nobody ever said that he isn't a good person or that he is a typical hustle culture guy. He seems like a nice Guy.
BUT
Studying 12 hours a day is not and never will be healthy and that's what he is promoting. It doesn't allow a healthy social life at all, but rather signals that you have social problems that simply won't be solved by learning that much. I also have to question very much how useful this technique is, if you learn 12H a day when others that study the same subject perform well while doing much less.
So I don't get it why he wouldn't be the perfect example. Sure, he is not a slimy business coach that tells you to hustle or die, but he reflects the problems of hustle culture very well.
Wow you are saying he is dumb because he is studying 12 hrs a day wow wow, great going buddy, let me tell you ALL advanced class students study for 12+ hrs, I am not talking average STEM students, all those you see representing at IPhO, IMO etc, no one will tell you but that's the truth, you should not overexert yourself but it will be a lie if someone tells you they get high scores without 10+ hrs of study, it's a closely guarded secret within the A+ community. At least for STEM students can't say for arts though.
The problem could be that the when the standard has been set high because of competition, people who are capable of meeting those standards will meet them, even if it at the cost of sacrificing his or her social life. There is literally no way around it unless you ban studying for more than 8 hours. If you don't there is always going to be someone studying an extra hour to get a head start. It's his life and he has his priorities, he shouldn't be called out for it. Yeah this could make other people who are unable to go to such lengths feel bad, but that's not his problem. And imo if you don't want to study all that much it's completely fair, but maybe don't click on a video of a guy studying for 12 hours and make yourself sad, then later sort of blaming him for it and question his life choices. His videos clearly have an intended audience. In my country it's pretty much a norm to do this. If you want some sort of a career, then this is what you HAVE to do. You don't get a choice. You can either play into the system or end up jobless. The job opportunities are scarce and population is incredibly high, so the competition is out of this world. I'm sure many people in my country would be able to relate to him. Business coaches who promote hustle culture have never hustled a day in their lives, yet they make big bucks by teaching people how to hustle. So calling them out seems very fair. But this is not quite the same. Would you call someone out who's working 3 jobs to make a living and vlogging it for some extra cash, because they are promoting toxic hustle culture and bowing down to capitalism? They are just trying to make something out of their lives. Yeah they are playing into the system, but not everyone can afford to fight against the system at the cost of your own quality of life. And some people are hyper focused and do just enjoy studying. I think people should just figure out what works for them.
@Shimmy Shai the larger trend is a symptom of insufficient employment oppurtunies most of the time. People have no choice but to study to death if they want to have some semblance of a career. Moreover if you're going to pursue going to something like maybe med school, there is no way around studying long hours a day if you want to know everything there is to know. Or else we run the risk of having inefficient doctors and nurses. My point is what is the point of talking about this large trend without addressing the actual driving factor behind it? Which is not the educational system(which has it's own issues) , not the student themselves but rather economic conditions and fiscal policies. I like Alice's videos, but I feel like this video was a little off the mark even if the wrong case study hadn't been used. And honestly it's a little bit harder to ignore James being used as the example here when he is literally the thumbnail, which is why people in the comments keep mentioning it probably.
try saying that to med students bruh 😑
He’s living HIS life. It’s what HES doing. what do you mean by promoting? Does he have to live his life based on your rights or wrongs?
CZcams changes too much; I've been here long enough to see all the changes. At one point being a CZcams partner or showing your face was considered "selling out". Also, you see these things as 'weird' it might because you are getting older
Absolutely true!
What's a trend now can be a tradition later.
Rich kids wont understand singleparents work ethic. I understand why people would hate on James, they wont understand him.
I use the videos to give me motivation to work at home, and they are really useful. it's up to anyone the time they choose to be there, but definitely help to focus. Stop being so negative about kids who are working to achieve their goals.
I remember when I was in high school, around 2013/2014, the "study for long hours" mentality was HUGE in my country, Brazil. It was glorified. We have a national exam for university and teenagers were constantly bombarded with news about someone who studied for 16 hours a day and passed #1 on medical school or something. Then we started to see how it messed with students' minds. Cut to a few years later, everyone has a shitty job or, if they're lucky, have a good job. But in the end, everyone is mentally exhausted.
We have to stop romanticizing suffering to achieve your goals or a comfortable life.
Basically the same thing here in the US. In classic American fashion the majority gets screwed over by a system, but because there's a few successes "it must work! Everyone else is just lazy and complains too much."
I love James, he's my idol
😂 no *Mika is lyfe*
Mika is life
Mika the best
Idolizing people isn't good at all, as much as I respect James and other study with me youtubers, I always try to remain critical and question the things they said or do and encourage other people to do so.
@@AliceCappelle I agree with that.
I'm not gonna judge how long one studies for, including these studytubers, but we have to quash the idea that one's achievement is not the other's loss which sometimes escapes us. The fact that these people are doing this doesn't mean you have to, and the fact that you can't doesn't mean that you mean less. It's okay to live life in your own way.
couldn't say it perfectly 🥰
James helped me through every college exam till my BSc ! I admire him very much and what you are talking about it is NUTS!
James is an amazing guy
I found his "how I studied for 12h everyday for a year" video very emotional 😢
@@AliceCappelle then why did you put him down? you’re earning money from CZcams on this video while putting him down for studying for his future. That says something more about you than him.
@@morningdewacademic I know right .... she is such a hypocrite, she makes money off bringing others down.
@@LittleNookBargainShop totally agree, I can actually focus while studying now, all thanks to the study tubers.
Bringing James down... that's kinda simplistic. The video is mostly constructive criticism/giving a critical lens to studytube as a whole. Those studies have weight, you can't be productive 12 hours a day. James is just an exemplary exception to why he's mentioned.
I understand your view on the toxic trend of productivity and “hustle culture” but I hate that some information you mentioned was bias toward James, for example you said “James works 12 hours a day” but you know that he has breaks in between and you didn’t mention it and the fact that you use his image as clickbait so your video can get more view is disturbing to me. James doesn’t deserve to be the target in this. And I recommend everyone to check his videos so you know that he doesn’t support the toxic productivity, he always focus on having enough sleep, he has a job to go out and socialize. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE THAT HE IS A BAD INFLUENCE
honestly she should just take her video down, implying that James is somewhat contributing to a negative mindset... is just baffling to me. and the best thing is that she can't even argue why she think so, she just repeats the same 2 phrases (individualistic mentality, hustle culture) and citing all these "studies" when everyone is different and wired in a different way. girl, you wanted the views, you got them but i hope you understand that this is not contructive criticism. this is misreprentation of what someone's motivations are.
@@federica4829 I absolutely agree! It all comes down to clickbait in my opinion. Because there are WAY more study tubers out there that represent hustle culture, not James in the least.
@@morningdewacademic Yeah and I mean. Even if there are some people that do contribute to hustle culture, who are you to tell them that what they're doing is unhealthy? Are you their doctor? Their therapist? A close friend? No. But somehow nowadays having aspirations and goals and working hard for them and making sacrifices is frowned upon. And for the life of me I can't understand why. Maybe they ARE able to work long hours, maybe they know themselves that well. But apparently even if you're studying aerospace engineering you should just study 4 hours a day and then you know, go out with your friends or something. Because you wouldn't want to contribute to hustle culture. The worst of all sins.
@@federica4829 I totally agree what has been done in this video is nothing but assumptions and that's not true research, just because he studies 12 hours a day does not necessarily mean that he's unhealthy mentally or socially. Also, I don't believe that his videos invoke hustle culture, I believe they draw students and other academics in, to join in and do something they are already doing, studying, or working on research. Is that such a bad thing? There are just so many things about this video I disagree with but most of all using James as clickbait is really wrong.
Yep, I agree many in today's society have this really negative opinion on hard work or studying, it's seen as a poison. I can say that had it not been for my hard work I wouldn't be where I am today. Like you said in your above comment, we are wired differently and there are some who truly enjoy putting effort into what they do and working long hours, that's not such a bad thing. Had it not been for people working hard years ago, where would many kids be today? They'd be out working in the fields trying to make ends meet rather than in comfy homes playing on electronics, in my opinion. Thanks for your thoughtful discussion, I agree totally!
@@morningdewacademic I wholeheartedly agree! Putting forward the fact that he is profiting from hustle culture or something like that is nonsense. Since when someone who wants a better future for himself is implicitly or unconsciously taking part in hustle culture? Are we engaging in mindreading now and we know more than him what he wants or doesn't want in life? Are we implying that he is not capable of deciding what he wants out of life and is not capable or regulating himself and will INEVITABLY crash and burn? It doesn't make any sense. She failed to mention that he takes regular breaks EVERY HOUR. In my book, that's pretty important. And you're right. I was just thinking today that if it weren't for some people that had a dream, a vision, and wanted to excel in their field, the smartphone would NEVER have been invented. And with many other things as well. If you want to achieve great things you have to have a certain amount of determination, resilience, character. It's not like some great things happen "on accident". Or just because you want to just be good at something. Thinking otherwise is pretty naive, in my opinion. If anything, it's also thanks to video like this one that I'm more motivated than ever to wake up tomorrow earlier and work my butt off to build a better life for myself. Thanks Alice! And thank you for your insights, it was lovely chatting to you! I hope you're having a great day.
white people stay in other people’s business. he’s not harming anyone at all. he clearly wants to do this for himself and inspire anyone else who has to put in long hours to achieve their goals. be miserable somewhere else but leave james alone
Thank you for saying this!
exactly , if you cant study then dont put down others who do. Its like saying someone that run marathons and work hard and marathons should be put down
Omg yes, why people need to project their frustrations on others that don’t have nothing to do with their miserable life
There are things that you are not taking into account being from France and Pursuing a non STEM degree.
The MS and Doctorate programs in USA are very rigorous and everybody studies for a very long period of time. That's just how it is. Getting into a PhD in something like AI Safety is notoriously difficult. The culture is different, the PhD lasts 5 Or 6 years whereas in countries like yours it's mostly 3-4 years. You are projecting your feelings on James, he is not revenge studying at all. And even if he was you'd have no way to make that observation from a 15 minute video you saw of him. All top athletes and researchers dedicate a huge portion of their life to their fields. It's got nothing to do with the system, they do what they love. Toxic losers will flock to your video and make the conclusion that what James is doing is wrong and bully him further, it's already a thing and I hope you know that your video serves as a catalyst for these people.
Yes you can spend those hours doing work but the question remains, are you improving? How much can your body truly take? In the long term will it not affect you? That`s what she was trying to highlight in the video. People are different anyway, one size doesn`t fit all. But the fact remains, quantity doesn`t equal quality. And guess what? James will relax for long periods of time after working those long hours, if he doesn`t he will die. You can`t work yourself to the grave. There are medical doctors who can no longer do their work because their bodies have caught up to them. We are humans, not machines, hell even machines get damaged.
@@bellam7546 I will answer every single one of your questions,
1. He knows his limits and it's 12 hours and it took him a long time to build up to that, with the correct and balance, including exercise, nutrition, having whatever social life possible and he definitely knows the difference between quality and quantity(explicitly mentioned in his video).
2. It's not long term, he's a 3rd year student in a Computer Science course this is the time for him to be studying as much as he can, it's not work it's passion. Like a pianist or an athlete practicing for their own sake. There is no system here at play. He doesn't promote it nor do most people following him do it. They use him as a source of inspiration for simple things like driving away procrastination and being more focused and spending less time on social media and more time on skill building and improving your life. I can assure you people pursuing higher education in USA in top 20 universities are doing this, all of them. They have to do it.
3. I definitely agree productivity trap is a thing and I acknowledge that some people do get stuck in that loop, and there needs to be a dialog about and my original comment doesn't disagree with what is pointed in the video, rather offers some things that Alice might not have taken into account. Somehow your comment seems very weird to me because your reply doesn't really tackle any of the points I made. Rather you assume I didn't get what she was saying in the video. Hope this clears it up.
Yes, an artist wouldn't want to be 'mediocre' just so his fellow mates can keep up with him. So, if a student wants to top and study harder why all the cOnStRUctIVe criticism? This reminds me of the movie 'Ford V Ferrari' and how the boss wanted all three of his drivers to finish together instead of letting Ken have his win. Some students are always going to work harder, they will never not study so as to be average. It's just that way, someone will always be on the top. And other people will or will not work to keep up with them.
It's perfectly balanced, there's no extremity in it. And ffs, stop the idiotic internet trend culture, i think that's way more unhealthier than studying 12 hours a day.
PS - i originally posted this as a reply to your comment but I'm posting this as a separate comment now.
Exactly, our education system here in the US is way different and certain degrees require more time and hours studying plus hours put in the lab if it's a science-based subject, or out in the field (like with student teaching) so truly no comparison. Plus our programs are way more competitive to get into and med and law schools are even all that more competitive. There are just not enough positions available and for the few that get in, yeah, they gotta work really really hard in order to keep that spot! Thanks for the thoughtful discussion!
well this is why most of us are not successful we just think that working hard is going to lead us to social isolation and we think like that just to convince ourselves that working hard and spending hours in studying is pointless just to not feel guilty about our laziness
So true
they do be hard coping haha
If I could I would study for 12+ hours a day, I think it is pretty cool to know about a lot of things in depth, specially philosophy and nutrition
Thank you for remembering that people with ADHD exist 😭
I love this whole topic. I did a presentation at my university, on a panel of honors students, where I basically admitted that I was not achieving anything and it was so terrifying because of people who are still so successful, but I wanted to put it out there because if an "honors student" can admit to it, maybe other people can too.
I love that you're doing this deep dive on topics like this one.
I don't agree with the negative connotation of this video, especially concerning study and work topics. We all live different lives and we face different challenges. We end up on a wide variety of career paths, with a different amount of work and self-discipline involved. So you can not make a comparison between what's neccesarry to achieve one goal or another. Yes, people reach extremes. And as well as there are "study with me" videos, in which people study for 12 hours and more, as its the case you mention, there are the other extremes - people who do not have the motivation, desire or even the idea, that you need to really do something to achieve something else. And the fact, that the youtube algorithm may show us only "study with me" videos after we have been watching this type of content for a period does not mean it's in everybodys feed and definetely not a huge problem of the world.
There is definitely something to criticize in such a behaviour, as it is not something healthy, but a lot of people need this type of motivation and feeling of community, that these "content" creators are bringing. And as well as there is a lot of toxic success related mindset, that is trying to be sold to so many people nowadays, there is the opposite - more and more people expect everything to be fixed and appear in front of them without giving enough, or anything at all. Which is another toxic trend. It's good to comment on any bad tendency we notice around us, but as social interactions decrease and life becomes more individual physically (cuz of latest events) the need for such content appeared. That's the answer to it. And if some people may have chosen a career path, in which a 6-hour work day or a 4-day work week are an option - others have not.
I can see that this girl has an issue with the system...but you cannot make systemic changes by tearing down individuals struggling within the same system. We can definitely consider both perspectives on how to study/work, but she did not have to use James as the thumbnail. It's people like her that drive others into depression. Her and others alike forced James into an explanation on his lifestyle, and made him talk about things maybe he didn't even plan on discussing. This pisses me off. I'm not a James number 1 fan or anything, but he represents a younger version of myself, and I empathize with him. You people have no idea how much work it takes in some of these programs, and at what cost we have enrolled ourselves into these educational programs. It requires work, and if someone is happily completing 14 hours a day of studying, that is a level of discipline that should be celebrated. I watch James because he leads a healthy lifestyle. I now take breaks between my hours, which is something I would not do before. I eat healthier, and even exercise more than before because he has set a great example. Using James as a "case" for this video was completely ignorant.
totally agree! using james as a way to demonstrate her points was not necessary. If you want to talk about hustle culture than you can generalize it without focusing on a single person as if he's the one who chose to be in that system in the first place.
as someone who struggled during last year's lockdown, james was helping me pull through with him and i can never thank him enough, the last thing i wanna see is people like this blaming him for helping individuals like me.
My brother gave a very crisp answer when I told him about this video: she's doing it for the engagement. Even though James isn't a textbook example for toxic studytube, she's using him for the engagement he can provide on her video. He's got 200k people subscribed, so that have watched him grow and evolve into the person he is since the past one year. Slandering him and his beliefs is simply beneficial for her video. Stating controversial things is making her money at this point. She's shutting every comment that does not agree with her as "benefitting the toxic system" and "perpetuating hustle culture".
@@nyxine7516 So spot on!
But what other people stream everyday how they study for this abnormal amount of hours? Which people should she use instead? In the video she even says, that it is not against James personally and that she can understand his reasons to study hard, but he still promotes that unhealthy lifestyle of studying too much.
And yes, he has verry good discipline, but at his point it is unhealthy. Scientificly everything above 8 hours of focused studying is concidered to much.
@@saaaaskia i think human beings are limitless. If you can't achieve studying more than 8 hours a day, don't do it.
I understand what you are saying with this. I do believe that studying too much and crashing can be a problem. However I think there is something to be said about being focused on improvement and being better. From what I understand of James is that he wants to be great at what he does. Improve day by day. He wants to be the best he can be, and I don't see a problem with it.
For me personally, I've reached a point in my life where my laziness and procrastination had almost destroyed my plans for the future and hurt me greatly. I went to University to study Mechanical Engineering and Mathematics. At first I was very unconcerned with grades, just focused on playing around and having a good time. My grades began to steadily drop. It got so bad I was at the edge of academic probation. I saw other people being successful in their grades and noticed that the main difference between me and them was that they put in the hours. So I started trying more and realized that I was far behind. I put in more and more hours into studying and focusing and reached a point where I could actually feel like my life is on track. I finished my last two semesters in University with the best grades than I ever had.
Sadly I graduated when the pandemic hit. I applied to hundreds of jobs and nothing came up. It was embarrassing because while I know the pandemic was partially responsible for my unemployment, I also know my initial laziness hurt my chances at being successful in getting a job. I had classmates who got hired even in the pandemic and again the main difference between me and them was they didn't play around in the beginning and took their studies seriously.
Pandemic or not, my unemployment made me feel awful. I felt like I learned a valuable lesson in the importance of hard work only for it to not matter in the end. I felt sick because it seemed and still seems like my past is constantly coming back to hurt me. It is a scary and desperate situation.
Luckily I get a second chance. I'm going to graduate school in the Fall and when I do, I will be studying right along with James. Everything I have learned about the academic success and growth of myself and others in STEM is that if we take the time to study the materials, it has a direct impact on my grades and understanding. I also learned from this pandemic that I can't let myself down anymore. It hurts too much to be a failure. I have to put in as much time as I possibly can to make sure I never have to feel that scared or desperate again.
Is it a healthy mind set? No. Desperation isn't healthy. But I don't think that I will always be desperate and I don't think James or I will need to do this forever. But right now this is the only cure I know that gives me the best chance to get out of this horrible situation.
I don't think I can do well in graduate school without putting in the time for it. The past years of my education has taught me that there is no easy way for me to be successful. I don't have parents that can give me any job I want or tons of money, and I'm not exceptionally smart or talented. The only thing I have is the time to put work in.
*edit: some words
Thank you for sharing your experience. I wish you all the best with your next endeavours. It's a shame that Alice would see you just as someone who is victim of "hustle culture" and "neoliberalism". You clearly displayed a lot of self-awareness and resilience getting back on track with your studies. I know I'm just a stranger on the Internet but I'm proud of you.
Good luck
you are hating just because they study? bro what, they’re literally just studying 😭 go outside and touch some grass, stop criticizing others and reflect on yourself instead. your content are just videos criticizing others, who are you to criticize? wtf... are u jealous or sumn? get some help cuz u clearly only see the bad in someone/something else
I recommend you actually take the time to watch my videos before criticizing and making assumptions about me
I'm planning on doing a PhD, of course I like to study...
touch some grass hahahahhaha
@@AliceCappelle Lol What I Mean U Made Assumptions About James As Well And I There Are Many Comments Here Similar But Obviously You Cant Reply To Every Single One But Like Lemme Find Something That U Assumed Real Quick Brb Ok Back Found Something So You Said That It Bothered U That James Scholz Was Referring To Him Studying 12 Hours Per Day As A Lifestyle, Saying That Just Like With Other Athletes, It Was Unhealthy Living On The Edge Of Mental/Physical Exhaustion, First Of Which, Who Are U To Tell James What Is Healthy/What Is Not Healthy🤣🤣As If You're His Mother🤔🤣😂😂 He Is Pretty IN TUNE With His Health Looking At Some Of His Videos, He Exercizes (Idk How To Spell it😪) Quite Often, Gets 8 Hours Of Sleep Each Day😗🤭, And Plus, I Wouldnt Say That Its Bad That Athletes Have This Sort Of Work Ethic And Are 'Unhealthy' For It, These Are People We Should Look Up To💪💪, For Example, Kobe Bryant Was Not Internalizing The Toxic Sports Industry With His Drive, But Instead he Was Working So Hard COmpared To Everyone Else Because He Was Just So passionate For Basketball. I Dont Think These Hardworking People Should be Criticized AS Being "Part Of The Problem" If They're All Just Very Very Obsessed With Their Passion. Plus, Studying 12 Hours A Day Might Just be James's Way Of Calming And Grounding.
Thank you for mentioning people with ADHD and other mental disorders! As someone who has ADD and OCD, I've always felt guilty that I was slower in my studies and I felt lazy because I kept getting distracted easily. The guilt got worse over time to the point where I would just break down crying not understanding why I can't focus properly no matter how much I tried to, and I'm often losing sleep trying to finish my school work and feeling anxious about it, but thankfully it's slowly getting better
So that was ADHD all about? I think I have that thing coz , I have pathetic learning capacity. And can easily distracted to the things that was not related to my school stuff. Sorry about my english.
@@krisferdz6313 If you feel that something is bothering you and you want to get it checked you should probably see a therapist. A lot of people that have ADHD/ADD, myself included, don't realize they have it for a long time, and if left unchecked it can lead to more problems. Also, don't worry about your English, I was making the same mistakes when I was learning it, you'll be able to speak it well in the future
I already agree with the video before I even started. There are two students who work there selves to death. As soon they get home they have to go to work from 2pm-4am and when they home and do the homework. They have to get back up at 5:30 am to get ready for school. And the school praised them for it as if that a good thing because they passing all their classes. 🙄😒
Yes! Both teachers and students have internalized hustle culture (not all of them but so many 😢)
@@AliceCappelle 100% agree, and I am a teacher. I actually have to tell some students to stop studying themselves to death and get a break. Parents, however, rarely agree with me.
It’s also important to mention that he only did this during quarantine. Next semester is in-person for him, so he won’t be studying this many hours every day anymore. If you actually attend his lives, it is almost impossible to associate James to this toxic hustle-culture you’re talking about
It has been proven that people only have 5 hours of productivity, after which you have to seriously recharge before you can go again. 12 hours of study a day is absolutely not something anyone should aspire to but CZcams tends to heavily promote this hustle mindset. You made a very interesting and thorough video, such a great watch. I am trying to move away from this entrepreneurial, extreme individuality mindset myself, together with materialism, social media, dopamine addiction and more. Sort of like cleansing the whole mess and getting back to what is actually important to me to become more present and happy.
It's not like that though? People studying for a length that you subjectively think is 'too much' is literally the least important issue in the world, people who can do those lengths will benefit from the videos while people that don't will not. I can't study for only a couple hours a day as i would get about one page of work done because of the way i study and 8 hours is probably what i usually do which leaves 8 hours of free time behind a day. it's not unusual to spend 10+ hours a day on education anyway during term time when you count lesson time.
If you can only complete 1 page after two hours of studying, then you aren't studying at all. And how are you fre for 8 hours if you spens a portion of it at school? Unless you are studying in bulk on one day and don't do anything for the other 6, it's counterproductive.
@@lunayen hahah okay but i got top grades in school with this studying method. When I say one page of work I mean understanding and revising a couple of information packed pages of a textbook. So not really one page basically.
I'm at uni, so most is self study.
the little girl is delusional if she thinks we aren't runed by a society that fails us to live the way we want, watching study-tubers, self help you-tubers, self help books, james scholz, etc. has helped me remind myself i am not alone fighting for what i call a dream, my dream. im sorry but your turning the tables around making us feel we're doing something bad by watching these people. what i took from this video is 'look at me i'm not like the sheep of this world, i dont struggle to live in this unforgiving world' no one is saying this trend is toxic but yourself, i dont find this toxic i find this amazing, kids on the other side of the web for example tiktok, snapchat, that leads to self image is toxic. but instead this displays to the world that dreams come with a fight, and we all have stories to tell...
When you feel attacked by a girl expressing her opinion with scientific research backing her points up, then you clearly have other problems
@@saaaaskia don't we all have problems is the question now, whether people are attacked by this video or not, it isn't right to have James subjected to what she calls toxic society. That's an attack right there, for what views ? Nevertheless wish you and everyone luck on studying/dreams.
@@ohnowire8163 she doesn't attack james. In the video she attacs the society and the education systhem for making people feel like they have to study this long. she criticeses the broadcasting and publishing of this standarts and the pressure that comes with it.
Not once in the video she attacked James personally nor his intentions.
@@saaaaskia society literally devalues studying and academics all the time wtf are you talking about? Also, some people need to study this long to understand certain concepts. Not everyone is the same.
dang dang, I am early.
Study with me are the like one of the worst things to come out of attention economy. When I was growing up as gen z person I thought internet was gonna be the awesome shit, oh how wrong was I.
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Internet is awesome. The problem is how it's messing with our reward system and self-esteem, as a society we may need decades to learn how to use internet properly. I feel like my brain is so messed up and now I'm fed up with CZcams, I don't find watching videos satisfying anymore.
@@CrisTryingToBeProductive Maybe. But, I feel like internet has gone to shit because you corpos and stuff. Like, it it wasn't YT algorithm and censhorship --> youtube would be pretty awesome. I feel like there is serious need of betternet.
I genuinely love the way you tackle these sensitive topics so calmly yet for this video i hate to disagree with you. You are lucky you come from a very privileged position when you talk about this. For eg if you come from India and when there is competition amongst millions and only hundreds of students get selected you have no option but to study. Is the system to be blamed ? The population growth ? The students or the faculty ? Even if you do the blame game and come back to reality you realise you are just wasting time.. there is no option for students but to study for those long hours to get into those respective fields. But if the rest of students fail to achieve that seat do they fail in life ? Obviously not. And that's something which needs to be taught too. But this entire thing is a very grey area. Competition lies everywhere be it studying or working on youtube. You have got to be put in that extra effort to stand out.
I do agree with you, our education system is set in a way that promotes hard work and long hours and if you don't do it, you're less likely to succeed. I'll always advocate for deep structural changes wether it's where I live, in France, or in the US or elsewhere. I've heard what's going on in India and it's honestly really scary (and I know it's not limited to India). I'll probably have to study 10+ hours a day for multiple months to prep for the competitive examination I'm planning on doing in two years now. And I'll work for it, I'll do it because I want that job and a good pay and I know I can work long hours but it won't prevent me from voicing the fact that this is wrong and that I'm willing to support a big societal change in that matter. I very much look up to people like AOC or other female/male politicians that have worked super duper hard to reach a level where they can change that narrative, implement policies that are going to deconstruct that hustle culture/individualist mentality. Maybe I'm too optimistic but I believe in change and you know, at least this video started a dialogue on the topic which is all I'm asking for
@Shimmy Shai I totally agree that studying or working from a toxic mindset is very dangerous but there are many who work hard without developing a psychological disorder or toxic mindset (which if you have a toxic mindset, you are most likely suffering from an addictive personality) and becoming obsessed with studying and working to the point of burnout. However, there are some people who must work and study hard (whether that be cultural differences, subject matter, or economic background) and unless an individual comes from an unprivileged background or a poor country where you have only one way out of poverty, then it's hard to know what that's truly like. I'm seeing this from all perspectives and I take into account different cultural and educational backgrounds, which clearly, Alice did not do.
@Shimmy Shai No, not reading anything into your text, just sharing different perspectives, those who work hard without developing burnout and those who do.
@@AliceCappelle Some topics require long hours to be understandstood. James is studying computer engineering. Are you saying that you're supposed to be a good computer engineer just by studying 4 hours a day? Moreover, what does individualist mentality mean? Everyone's an individual. James is building a better life for himself because he wants to buy his mum a big house. So that involves another person. Does his desire of wanting to buy her a house make him prey of this "individualist mentality"? Just trying to understand your point.
I'm so happy that I recently found your channel, the topics you cover are so refreshing and interesting compared to most of the big commentary channels
study with me‘s which are 2-3 hours are perfectly fine and so helpful because it makes me feel like im studying with someone whicz makes me more motivated to get my stuff done. anything above 3 hours is something i could never do
I’m a biology major and since quarantine started I struggled with staying focused and procrastinated often. Later on I found those “study with me” videos and they actually helped me to get things done and felt like I was in a study session with a friend. However I noticed that those videos were mostly plenty of hours long, and I often found myself finishing what I needed to study in less than half of those videos (including breaks that I took). Now I just have some lo-fi beats in the background and leave my phone in another room and I find myself finishing my work pretty fast. I totally agree with you Alice, working/studying for such a ridiculous amount of time is insane, not really healthy and, in all honesty, not necessary. It’s not about how long you study, it’s the way that you do it.
I think you made an interesting point when you mentioned that the content creators' use of "hustle culture"-like language implied a societal internalization of it. However, individuals of course vary, as do countries and the societies and subcultures within them. The particular subcultures that form around these habits will invariably perpetuate their worldviews. Which brings me to my point that it is an individual choice to interpret studying in this matter. I believe that how someone interprets studying, or how they view success is more likely to exemplify their innate disposition, and perhaps their familial influences and their desire to appease and conform, as opposed to (automatically) a larger social problem and pattern. Because not everyone responds to pressure and hardship the same way, and not everyone will achieve success in the same ways, let alone genuinely perceive it as such. Thus, their choices to study and to decide why and how are individual. Regardless, thank you for posting, I enjoy your topics and the way you approach them. I look forward to more videos.
Yours is the most sensible and insightful comment under this video. Thanks.
@@arundhutiroy2238 Thank you!
@@GCY1 I didn't elaborate before but I could relate to your comment in more ways than one. I hail from a country where students would normally study for 8 to 10 hours to get into reputed colleges and subsequently well paid jobs. There is a dearth of good jobs already and the competition is cut throat. The family situation and the peer pressure also contribute to the efforts put into studying. Hence some people simply don't have an option. If we still choose to sit back and relax then it's truly our loss. I'd love for the system to change but until then we have to put our best foot forward. Which is why I thanked you, since it somehow resonated with me in the various factors you listed.
@@arundhutiroy2238 I would definitely agree that in countries where there are highly evident economic and/or political problems, there is an even more fundamental drive to study hard. Pursuing studies is not something which I see as negative. In countries and families where the situation is more stable though, I feel it is one of several factors which should be considered when making long-term career decisions, as not all careers are acquired with the same type of preparation or investment. In essence, my view is that if someone's family is in an economic situation which does not require a communal investment; then their individually-chosen career pursuits should be their focus (rather than social pressures). Otherwise, in the more financially stable situation, comforming to the expectations would only serve to conform as opposed to really providing needed financial assistance and possible social mobility to the family. That is, assuming they are already at a relatively comfortable socio-economic stratum.
@@GCY1 I couldn't agree more. With a population of more than a billion and not very great economic condition, studying does seem like the only way around. From the very primary grades we are taught to take our studies very seriously. It is not exactly a very career oriented study pattern, but something which includes huge chunks of matter that needs to be memorised. Not that our socio-economic condition is unstable, but I have come to like studying and whenever I pass an exam at the top of my class, I perceive it as a small feat. It motivates me to do better. It is not that everyone in my class will study that hard just because of the factors I've stated, because they might not be having the same conditions or might not have the same mindset. So how we perceive studying as ,is kind of personal according to me. All the external factors might be building up yet we might not be motivated enough. Hence putting the entire hustle-oriented people and generalizing them as unhealthy is like seeing only one side of the coin. I am motivated to study since I want to get into my dream college and study my favourite subject. Everyone has a different goal that they work towards. That being said there are also people who'd go into more creative fields, which might not require as much studying but other skills. Hence studying can't be same for everyone and put into a box labelled as 'hustling'. I don't know if I could've put my situation into words unless I had read your comment.
As a former med student (who was so fucked by the education that changed the field completely after graduation) I can't believe that people who are studying 12 hours a day, and who are considered "goals", are actually happy and okay with what they're doing in life. A lot of people strive to be that productive and self-disciplined but the important question is, is this actually a goal that we should aim for and not run away from the very thought of having to study this much?
Alice finally said what we all wanted to say. Recently some videos can be extreme (Study with me on the beach, study with me on the sky scrapper)
"we all" everyone disagreeing in the comments.
go scroll through your tiktok
Hi Alice,
This is Max from that nostalgia email thread! It’s great to see you talk about this topic. I recently graduated from college and I have to say I pushed myself super hard whether it be all nighters or just staying in the library for 11 straight hours to write a paper. Perhaps most alarming is how I once slept 10 hrs in one week during final exams week. There’s definitely a culture in college that struggling mentally equates to “grinding” when in reality, it is very often stemming from the root that is procrastination. There’s a new paper on a bulletin board at one of the residence buildings that includes a web map of if it’s acceptable to take a nap and no matter what the situation is, it would always lead to yes. It’s so important to keep yourself sane amidst all the work that college can throw at you. I could seriously go on and on about this topic but I’ll save you the time!
I was super into the whole studytube side of CZcams 2 years ago and got the best grades ever in that specific semester at uni, now when I look back I do not remember a single time I went out with friends, I read no books for enjoyment, I did not feel comfortable in my looks because I spent absolutely no time on developing myself. I just assimilated. I sometimes miss the grades lol but it's definitely not worth losing yourself over.
Thank you for your critical content!