Leonard Cheshire, The Old Bill And The Red-Headed Beauty - It's Not What You Think!
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- How far would you go to reconnect with a beautiful woman in wartime? This is the story of what Leonard Cheshire, soon to be VC, did during his first grueling tour of duty on a Armstrong Whitworth Whitley in 102 squadron.
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Love all the stories about Leonard Cheshire. I live where his old house was, and his daughter is my neighbour. What a star, we will never see his likes again.
I met Cheshire after the war, when he came to our home at Bomber Command, High Wycombe. He was charming, and helped me (aged 6) play with my cars. He and my dad were flight commanders in 32 Sqn, flying Halifaxes, and friends. After the war dad chaired the WA branch of the Ryder Cheshire Foundation which Cheshire and his wife Lady Suer Ryder of Warsaw, established for the relief of suffering. He had a great heart and was much more than a gallant pilot.
By 'the WA branch', do you mean the state of Western Australia, the state of Washington, or some other place?
A brilliant story. Surely there should be a film about this great man.
I met Leonard Cheshire in 1986 in a monastery in the South of England. He had thought of joining this monastery earlier in his life. At that time he would come to the monastery for one week every year, I was told it was the highlight of his year. He prayed 3 hours every day. I was asked to change an electrical plug on a kettle for him to suit the antiquated electrical system in the monastery. I also attended mass with just him the priest and me. He told me he had a high regard for "sparks".... I took it as a reference to his radio operator in the war.... not humble electricians like me. I was also told the At the end of the war he had a nervous breakdown due to overwork and the stress of flying over 100 missions. A very great man.
Leonard Cheshire is a true National Hero, whose works survive to this day. He set up many retirement homes (including accommodation for destitute people) which still operate and - having known a vulnerable old widow who lived in one - I mention this, because of the wonderful legacy left to our nation. An incredible man, who achieved so much, and should be an inspiration on what is possible in our short lifetime.
hear! hear!
And yet he was not pleased to be called a hero. Can you think why? it I am sure it was was not modesty
@@brittainadams5960 it was common for his generation to dislike being called a hero.
@@rickbear7249 After talking with Leonard I really think it was because they did not like to be lauded for killing people. Especially by people like me who had no experience of war. My wife says her grandfather threw his medals in the river in digust.
@@brittainadams5960 I'm sure you are right here. Despite the truth that he was a hero, his other works show he was first and foremost, a humanitarian.
Leonard Cheshire flew over 100 missions, Guy Gibson about 170 +. I can’t wait for Masters Of The Air, but these guys are a cut above the rest. If our generation was even half of them what a great place this world would be. 🇿🇦👍
broberley the best bomber pilot the Raf had during the course of the war.
Of course he would be commander of 617 squadron later Even flying a Mustang without anytime on the type.He was a very enigmatic man
IMO he was the best Bomber Command pilot of WWII. His VC citation acknowledges a number of examples that demonstrate his bravery which merited the award.
I think the RAF/RCAF,RNZAF,RAAF,SAAF and all the other AFs were the real Masters of the Air a long time before the USAAF came in.
Brave men that arguably represented the opposite extremes of personality in Bomber Command leaders.
Met Leonard Cheshire as a child on several occasions as mother was coordinator at Cheshire homes.
What a lovely approachable man .
What a wonderful memory to have. He and his wife sound as if they did a lot for others.
@@CalibanRisingI told him I wanted to be a fighter pilot ..
At such a young age we jelled but he did his very best to talk me out of it and never fight in a war
As it turned out I never made it .But his experience s still haunted him .
It should be remembered that Cheshire's VC was awarded for sustained action in the face of the enemy, and not for a single act of bravery. I believe that this is the only such instance of the awarding of a VC, and well deserved.
Perhaps Adrian Warburton should have had one too, but his was nixed by Sir Kieth Park.
Another would be Anders Lassen - although his VC was posthumous, as his wartime service was frankly astonishing, it was awarded for his final act in which he was killed.
I totally agree!! And I think Paddy Maine's name should be added to those who definitely earned the VC but was never awarded.
@@tim7052I was just about to write the exact same thing! Blair Robert Mayne DSO and Bar or was it two Bars? deserved the VC a number of times over. Perhaps he would have received it bar the fact he walloped his commanding officer before he joined the fledgling SAS
@samrodian919 Actually he was awarded the DSO with THREE bars.
Well put!
@@tim7052 thank you for reminding me sir!
Leonard Cheshire was the greatest airman in the RAF.
My Uncle was a Sargeant pilot in Singapore who was ordered to leave his crew on the ground in Singers to fly the A/C to safety on the sub-continent and the continuing fight in Burma, a flight he regretted as the "most painful memory of his life" until his passing. His wife was in Kent on an airfield in spring 1940 and admonished me in 1997 recalling the lines of the dead in shallow trenches and the falling bombs when the Luftwaffe tried to break the RAF. She was referring to "the battle of Britain". Their son (my cousin), was recruited into the SAS from the RAF (marksman) during Operation Storm.
"Airman" is the designation given to those without commission or rank...
An great story. One of my cousins was P/O Desmond Coutts - co-pilot to Leonard Cheshire. He helped save Whitley DYN over Cologne by throwing incendiaries out of the damaged fuselage after being hit by flack. Sadly he didn't make it through the war. Cheshire stood out as a courageous man among many.
That's incredible. Desmond appeared quite frequently during the source material for this video. Cheshire told a rather amusing story where P/O Coutts was flying and somehow had forgotten/ didn't realise the undercarriage was down and couldn't understand why he couldn't get the Whitley to climb. So sorry to hear he never made it home. Thank you for sharing this with us.
was your cousin nick named Revs? He placed his parachute on my father's cousin A Davidson. The family called him Harry when the plane was damaged over Cologne.
Harry was also throwing flares out of the plane when his suit caught on fire which burned his parachute and him rather badly.
The Australian soldier was probably with the 18th Brigade that landed in Britain in June 1940 originally as part of the 6th division and then sent back to North Africa in January 1941, first with the 9th and then the 7th divisions. It was arguably Australia's finest fighting unit of WWII surviving the siege of Tobruk alongside the 9th division and then returning home to fight at Milne Bay and Buna/Gona/Sanananda in New Guinea in 1942.
Thanks for the extra information.
Many years ago when I was taking part in adventurous training at Capel Curig, Snowdonia we had a night out in Llandudno. Ending up at a party with some local ladies, I had no option next morning but to hike alone back to camp, I never met a Maxine but a friendly postman did stop and give me a lift for most of the way. 😄
Good job Pat picked you up that must be a 25mi hike!
Yes mate, he dropped me off in Betws-y-Coed. Only a short dander from there. @@JammyDodger45
Cheshire was a most amazing man. What is not well known is that he was an observer on the atomic bombing of Nagasaki and in his report on that mission he wrote that in future such weapons would be delivered by rocket. This was dismissed at the time but was dusted off in the 1950s' when Russia launched Sputnik 1.
Peterlovett -he took part in the Nagasaki raid as the personal representative of Prime Minister Atlee that the UK should be directly involved in the raid. President Truman was not happy but Atlee insisted so he represented the RAG and William Penny represented the UK physicists who worked on the Manhattan Project to build the bomb .Asked after the war if he regretted the atomic bombings he said NO -he regretted they were necessary .He visited Nagasaki years later .
@@ronnieince4568 I didn't realise it was at Atlee's insistence. My knowledge of his attendance at the bombing comes from a small paragraph in a book put out by Scientific American on the history of atomic weapons.
@@peterlovett5841 yes Atlee spoke to.Truman about the UK taking part Truman was not keen but Atlee insisted that we were allies ; that we had contributed to developing the bomb and Truman relented when he said they would take part as his personal representatives. He and William later Lord Penney took part -it was not an all American mission.that most believe.
@@ronnieince4568 But has been put forward for 76 years that it was an all American raid and project.
@@jacktattis In the media, that is Hollywood etc. Groves was a ‘not invented here’ type who was shocked that foreigners had scientists of any worth.
The 1946 embargo on the UK, despite the significant role the UK had played in atomic research for decades, the contents of the Tizard Mission of information given without any asking in 1940, the idea of the implosion design making a bomb more practical was from the UK.
Churchill had a personal agreement with FDR when the UK Tube Alloys protect, for practical reasons, was folded into Manhattan, trouble is, by the time the bomb was ready FDR was dead and Churchill had never made any agreement formal.
When the US slapped an embargo on cooperation (including in power generation), Attlee’s government decided in secret to start a UK program.
It did not work, nor in power generation where the UK was first to build a viable plant.
After the H-Bomb tests where US scientists were invited, the embargo was lifted in 1958, with an agreement that is still in place today.
IIRC on one sortie when Cheshire took over command of 617 squadron they were to bomb a factory in France. He flew low over the factory before the bombing to give the French workers time to get clear before the squadron bombed. If memory serves he was awarded a medal for that, although I forget which.
Yes, absolutely right. I have a suspicion this was covered in the original 'Dambusters' book by Paul Brickhill. It shows the mettle of the man that he flew low orbits over the factory several times to warn the French workers that a bombing raid was coming and giving them a chance to escape.
An amazing man and true hero.
I met Cheshire twice a dozen years after the war. As a reaction to it, he had founded the Cheshire homes for the chronic sick and my mother was Matron of Le Court. Needing an early breakfast before school, I would visit the kitchens to pick up cereal, bacon and eggs, then make a return trip for tea. Twice he swiped my meal. I couldn't do anything about it except go back for more... I thought it a low trick.
These guys were lucky to survive one tour & they knew it. One RAAF pilot wrote a book about his experiences. His was the only crew he started with to survive the full tour .
May I recommend a relatively early postwar bio about this remarkable man: "New Wings for a Warrior," by Russell Braddon, New York: Rinehart & Company, 1954? A very different picture of Cheshire emerges from it. After the war, he converted to Roman Catholicism and as far as I can tell, became something of a sober ascetic, the polar opposite of the redhead-chasing RAF pilot pictured in this episode. He is, I think, as famous for his philanthropy as he is for his war record. Per Wiki, "In 1948 [he founded] his eponymous charity Leonard Cheshire, supporting people with disabilities across the world to live, learn and work as independently as they choose whatever their ability." There were many others over the years until well into the 1990s and his death at age 74 in 1996. If anyone qualifies as a "great man" in the last century, certainly he does.
Thanks for the recommendation. I agree, he'd certainly be prouder of his charitable legacy. I enjoyed reading up about that while making this video.
Russel Braddon was an Australian and a survivor of the Burma road. His memoir gave me nightmares when I was younger.
You seem to be branching out into drama. Very entertaining
This story was too good not to share!
@@CalibanRising yes he was a fascinating. Man. Later he would find a care home for down and outs
Perhaps this countries greatest air force hero how could it be wrong Leonard Cheshire never forgotten.
Thank you.
My good friend in England sent me this video as I happen to have the custom dinner jacket of Leonard Chesire with all of his titles embroidered within and the table setting sheet. I actually found it at a 2nd hand shop in London and purchased it to wear at a fancy dress party. My friend took a look at it and was surprised when he discovered who the jacket had previously belonged to and gave me a history lesson. I have a few books and still have the dinner jacket in a suit bag in my closet.
Wow, what a find! He was a lovely bloke based on all the stuff I've read. Thanks for sharing this story.
@@CalibanRising Yes, I always wanted to donate it to some museum or something but never could figure out how or where. It was made September 1945 according to the tailors label and has his name and his standings VC, etc. It had a white bow tie and the table setting in the inside pocked at well with his name and the table he sat at.
I don't care if the story was embellished. Most stories are. If there is even a kernel of truth to this, I have to applaud the inventiveness and sheer brazeness of the guy.
great stuff
Great story .... wonder if she told him of her existing commitment before or after .... guessing after.
That earned my subscription
@CalibanRising >>> Great video...👍
As a kid here in South Africa, I noticed the Leonard Cheshire Homes and wondered what they were all about. My english mum told me about Leonard Cheshire VC.... WW2 RAF war hero. Then she explained that he was the British observer of the Bombing of Hiroshima. She also explained he later saw the the radiation poisoning and the resultant cancer caused by it and he was appalled by it. This lead him to establish hospices for dying cancer sufferers......
The Leonard Cheshire Homes.... world wide!
The Man certainly had a pair and knew full well how they may be best put to good use! A clear vision of ones intentions and path, to the total exclusion of all voices around you may, in this life, take you farther and to greater heights than may be dreamed of or ever imagined, along with the good graces of just a bit of luck!!!
I would like to hear a lot more about his career from then on until he dropped rank from Group Captain back to Wing Commander to take over the helm of 617 squadron.
A proper pilot's story!
Cheshire was in one of the planes observing the dropping of the Atom bomb over Japan. He survived the whole war, including a time with the Dambuster squadron on special ops. It was some achievement or was it just luck?
I've always thought the tumultuous relationship between Susannah Yorks and Christopher Plumbers characters in The Battle of Britain, was a great illustration of how fast and edgy relationships must have been for people serving in the armed services in WW2. Of course there is also the aspect of her being worried that he would be horrifically wounded, which he is, and then her having to come to terms with it, which again, I am sure many had to do. My male friends all thought it was just an excuse to get a pretty girl in her underwear into a war film :)
I did not think of this when I watched this video:
The POWER of REDHEADS. 😊
Just goes to show,, you’ve gotta shoot your shot,, the game of love isn’t kind to the timid!!
Who doesn't occasionally reminisce about the one who got away?
That's a great story, grinning like a Cheshire cat at his fakse report to find Maxine again
I love to have heard about Cheshires later life and now, how about Guy Gibson’s story?
Thanks have a signed print !! Makes even more brilliant 👏🏼👏🏼
My dad has a letter from Cheshire tucked into a copy of bomber pilot.
What always strikes me as really quite remarkable about brave young men of the armed forces in both world wars (cf. Robert Graves, Siegfried Sassoon), when on leave and somewhat rudely mistaken for either shirkers or abstainers by presumptuous, sanctimonious, elderly women they never retort with what I would consider to be a mouthful of well deserved abuse and put, thereby, the old trout firmly back in her place. This casts light on social etiquette and the differences between what is considered to be respectful in the early 20th century from attitudes thereafter. Interesting. I wouldn't spare a tongue lashing and a lecture on differentiating between the ignorance of personal assumption (i.e., fantasy) and material reality. I guess I'm far less gallant and intolerant but I do wonder if this is one outcome of the demand for sexual and gender equality.
I strongly suspect they -- the men -- were amused by it.
Absolutely fantastic video! Thank you, Great interview with Group captain Leonard Cheshire on CZcams, RAF CASPS.
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Well, there goes my weekend, going to have to watch them all now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention! 😀
Yes that’s the one! No problem, my friend! He talks about his time at RAF Driffield and much much more with 617, An interview with Sir Arthur bomber Harris too! 😂 I can’t help but be saddened, as to think, Guy Gibson would have been on this channel too, if he’d survived.
My great uncle Frank Crocker flew with Leonard at 35 sqdn , unfortunately he was killed in action in December 1941
This was so good a naughty escapade for a great man in time of war. I wonder if you did the other true story about a large village pub that was thrown in to history over race hate American's?
Great story
OK I have request, many years ago, 45+ I read a book about a German soldier capture sometime after D-day. As the war ended he seems to enlisted in the RAF but was found out after some years, he then ended up in Ireland and eventually became an Irish citizen
This seems like a great story for your excellent story telling and research powers
Sorry I don't have more information for to go on
Good luck, it just seems a great story for your channel
I bet Maxcine looked nothing like the girl in the video. I bet she was a younger and red headed version of Mrs Pike from Dad's Army.
Stupid boy!
@@CalibanRisingnice one!!
Don't tell him Pike!
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Could you do a video regarding the use of the Buffalo and other planes in South East Asia around the 1940s?
Thanks for the suggestion. I will put it on my research list, thanks!
Good stuff but as a Yorkshireman I don't recall the locals of either Driffield or Scarborough speaking like they do here 😀
lol
You asked what I think well it was your comment about this cute side of the war bringing this into focus that means I have to tell you. What Lenard was doing was flying over another country and dropping bombs there is a less cute side of the war. Leonard was so good at this that the American run on Dresden was completely a waste his planning had already done the job. I wonder what he would think about being made out to be some sort of hero.
Well after he had been lauded as some sort of hero at an awards ceremony in 1979 I told him that this made me feel uncomfortable, he knew what I meant and grabbed me by the wrist sat me down looked at me staring me in the eyes and said it made him uncomfortable. He then told me with utter clarity of sitting in a B29 over Nagasaki when the atomic bomb exploded, he said this flash was a switch that changed him completely and that on return he resigned from the RAF. He knew what he had done and the way he responded to set up a charity which was a template for many modern charities. But please stop calling mass killers heroes they don't like it and that is why I would respect them. This type of video is would be well balanced by the stories of those under the bombs.
Thanks for the suggestion. This particular video doesn't really cover that period of the bomber offensive which comes about two years later. While I agree that we always need to remember the humans on the ground, we can't label these men as "Mass Killers" with the negative connotation that brings. I can't find a better adjective for boys that put a halt to their lives, put on a uniform to risk their lives while stopping the spread of truly evil regimes, than heroic. They might not have liked the title, but the reality is they prevented something truly terrible.
It's Beth from Yellowstone :D
I read about Cheshire V.C. in "Wings" bound periodical in the 70's, how could we understand the teenagers and early 20s men of the time? Another great video and well done Sir!.
Flirty Maxine could take her pick.
That's Cheshire VC
Phil you mentioned James' frustration at missing the first raid on Italy on 11/12 June 1940. Was he in Haddock Force?
In a straight line, Harwell to Milan is about 640 miles, but if you avoid overflying neutral Switzerland as they were /supposed/ to it's more like 680 miles or so (1260 in total). Easily within the 2500 mile range of a Wellington but marginal with the 1650 mile range of a Whitley accounting for possible headwinds, navigational errors, etc.
Hey Julian. No, P/O James was still with 102 squadron at the time. They sent 7 aircraft which was part of the 36 Whitleys sent to bomb Turin via the channel Islands on the 11/12th June. Honestly I don't know why he wasn't on the raid, but it was probably just a question of not being on the roster.
I have a feeling that they would have hugged the Swiss border quite closely. Cheshire might even have mentioned Swiss AA fire in the book while on his Milan raid, I'll have to go back and check.
@@CalibanRising *chuckles* I recall the Swiss lodged a protest asking that the RAF /not/ overfly them. Reading between the lines, the reply from the RAF was 'Well I'll /ask/ but I don't like your chances, and I'm not second guessing operational pilots!'
In one account of Bomber Command, there’s the story of the Swiss putting up a powerful anti-aircraft barrage, but clearly intended to miss. It was said that one of the crew flashed them a message, “you are firing very low” and they replied “thank you - we know.”@@julianmhall
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 *LOL* That sounds typical of the men at the front line with the Swiss recognising the realities of the situation, the need to 'dissuade' the RAF but at the same time not provoke a diplomatic storm by actually hitting an aircraft.
Well, that's one way to bag a girl. Crafty blighter.
Every book I’ve read that’s a novel always inserts a load of romance. Why?
Great great Englishman !
Hmm rather tame compared to Joachim Marseilles excapades......
I heard he was an observer with the Americans during the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. He founded the Cheshire homes.
Nagasaki. He flew in the nose of the second B29 alongside Bock's Car.
The Whitley bomber eh? Not one of the beloved bombers from the early war years.
Cheshire liked the Whitley. He wrote that it always gave him comfort, it's nose-down flying attitude and its Merlin engines.
How was this red headed girl able to give him lifts everywhere in a Delage when there was petrol rationing?
I thought that too. Also, what was she doing on a deserted road at 5 in the morning? I have the impression this girl had friends in high places.
If you have money for a Delage then you probably have the contacts and money to get fuel.
When I saw Cheshire's image I had to watch this video. My father's cousin flew on a crew with him during the war and he was on the mission when Cheshire experienced damage to his plane. I had a book given to me when I was about 15 by one of my uncle's friends called "Cheshire VC". It recounted that mission. My father's cousin Harry Davidson ( his first name was not Harry but that is how the family called him) was the radio operator and on the mission his job was to drop flares. That meant over the open bomb bay. Flak exploded near the Whitely with the doors open and Harry needed to dump the flares as some had lite in the explosion. This caused his flight suit to catch on fire and two members of the crew help put the flames out but Harry was badly burned. The plane sustained heavy damage and most of the maps were sucked out of the plane. Harry tried to get a fix via the radio but due to damage it was not possible. Also in the fire his parachute was badly burned and a crew member put his chute on Harry and tied something to it in the event the plane could no longer fly he could push Harry out of the bomb bay. He would however not have a chance of surviving. From the book we had, (which was lost when my parents moved after dad retired) I can recount the nick names of the crew. Davy was my father's cousin, Cheese for Cheshire and the rest of the crew were Revs, Taffy and Hares. Hares was the tail gunner. Revs was the crew member that gave up his parachute. My father's cousin spent time in the hospital for treatment of his burns. At the time he was 18. By the end of the spring of 1941, Davy, Revs, Taffy and Hares had all been killed in action. Harry (Davy) was on a mission over Holland and their plane was badly damaged and over the channel and the plane came apart and crashed in the water. All 5 crew members were lost. I did see his name inscribed at the memorial for lost fliers at Runny Mead. The number of names there is staggering of the men on the allied side that were lost and never recovered. Thank you so much for producing this video.
Thank you for all this extra information. Had I known I would have of course included this in the video. Looking at the Operational Record Book (discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8385224) I indeed see Harry's name there alongside Desmond Coutts (I think you already spotted his relative's comment on this video), Sgt G. Roberts and P/O R.C. Rivaz. Based on your information I'd say that Roberts was "Taffy", the navigator. P/O Rivaz is listed on the roster last, which would suggest he was the tail gunner. I wonder he was given the nickname "Revs" and Coutts was "Hares"? Again, thank you for writing this comment, it really adds to the event for me.
So he filed a false police report to stalk a redhead.
You have to remember that this was a young lad just turning 23 years old. When these men literally were living for today it's not surprising a lot of steam needed to be blown off. Please though pick some more appropriate B-roll. American cops and girls in miniskirts shouldn't really feature in this type of story!
Thanks for the feedback Tim. 1940s B-roll was hard to track down unfortunately.
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I go a heart!!!! Not sure what that means to a 58 year old, but I got one. My kids told me to troll and be first.
@@bradyelich2745 It means you are now betrothed to Phil and nuptials will take place next week.
@@josephking6515 Ok, then. I'll have a bath.
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It's probably why 'Lofty' Long dubbed him that. Must be the Kiwi sense of humour!
Disliked and blocked for the clickbait title. It’s insulting.
Thanks for the feedback. You missed out on a great story though.
Many exeptional men over indulge in human exintricities (Sir Winston). Its a rare thing among women
"Its a rare thing among women": You think?