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Caliban Rising - Aviation History
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I've been absolutely fascinated with aviation history since I was about 10 years old and found an old copy of 'Biggles: The Camels are coming' in my local library.
Since then, I have read everything I can about flying machines and the men who piloted them, especially when I learned that my own Grandfather had been in the Royal Air Force during WW2. My passion took me to university where I learned even more about the subject and then to a flying school where I became a pilot myself.
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Since then, I have read everything I can about flying machines and the men who piloted them, especially when I learned that my own Grandfather had been in the Royal Air Force during WW2. My passion took me to university where I learned even more about the subject and then to a flying school where I became a pilot myself.
If you'd like to support this channel, please visit my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/calibanrising/
You can also find other ways to get involved here: calibanrising.com/support/
This channel is a place to share what I have learned.
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Me 262 Full Analysis: Why It Could NEVER have Changed WWII
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Discover why the legendary Me 262 jet fighter was destined to fail in altering the course of WWII. In this video, I dive into newly uncovered data and in-depth analysis to reveal the stark reality versus the speculation. See how timing, logistics, and strategic missteps sealed its fate. Donât miss this eye-opening breakdown of the Me 262âs true impact on history!
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Discover why the legendary Me 262 jet fighter was destined to fail in altering the course of WWII. In this video, I dive into newly uncovered data and in-depth analysis to reveal the stark reality versus the speculation. See how timing, logistics, and strategic missteps sealed its fate. Donât miss this eye-opening breakdown of the Me 262âs true impact on history!
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A Engine, a firewall and doors and windows like the spitfire and Hurricane? How can this leak and danger be so different and unique?? Very weird weakness.
Service ceiling of B-17 was 35,000 feet but only when all four engines were running perfectly. The practical ceiling was considerably lower.
I don't think the ME 262 would have made any difference at all. its Achilles heel was in fact a jumo engine which was absolutely awful. It had a life expectancy of between 10 and 20 hours if you treated it well. Materials simply weren't available for axial flow engines at the time. There are recorded incidents where pilots have actually fried the engines on startup. The jumo fuel control units made it very difficult to make any throttle adjustments in flight. Half the time aircraft flamed out if you did. It's worth noting, as well that the aircraft died with the war, whereas the Gloucester meteor went on to be developed into quite a nice aircraft.
The English nicknaming these "doodlebugs" is kinda hilarious. The V1's grandchildren though like the American Sentinel ICBM isn't so hilarious and might as well just be renamed to "Armageddon" because that's basically what it would cause...
The 262 would have been a pain but had major issues like fuel, which in reality mustangs would wait for them at their airfields and smoke them on landing
Not really my subject but what a fascinating video, the plane seemed to be a bit like the Post Office's Horizon computer system with a lot of bugs. Of course the Typhoon wasn't the only plane which could kill the pilot. It is said that the Camel killed more pilots than it shot down in WW1. And, while not as dangerous a friend who was in the RAF said when he tested the Hawker Hunters guns the engine stopped, fortunately he wa ove over the North Sea and high enough to get home safely.
It's absurd to suggest the ME 262 couldn't have changed the war. But I think you know that. Whatever.
Gee Galland is so full of scheisse. If it was such a fantastic _Tommy Stopper_ then why didn't he step into one instead of staying with his nearly 10 year old design Messershit 109? Maybe if the Henschel Hs 132 had been produced in large numbers with at least some quality control then they may have had some influence. After all, quantity is a quality of it's own. Having 2 or 3,000 would have inflicted some damage and sufficient pilots would have survived to become proficient and be a tad troublesome. However the 8th Air Force and Bomber Command would have had many _maximum efforts_ raids to slow down if not stop manufacture of these toys. Using slave labour to assemble them and many other weapons was a massive mistake by the _mass debater race_ too fortunately.
Nah. Half of bomber Command was already killed in action. German production actually increased during the bomber offensive. The strategic bomber's main contribution was as bait for the Luftwaffe, 8th AF Mustangs literally winning the ETO air war single-handedly without any help from the RAF
The Big Wing was deployed at just the right time as Spitfires were rolling off the line more quickly (thanks to Beaverbrook). The Big Wing was the biggest psy ops victory of the battle and saved a lot of lives as the LW recoilled at the sudden show of force, just when they were told the RAF was on its knees.
ME163 ( dangerous to fly ), Bolton Paul defiant ( slow and sent on suicidal missions ( any mission involving combat would've been ), HE177 ( overheating issues ).
Quantity always overruns quality.
None. Pilots and gunners did the shooting...
It's tricky aiming and flapping your arms at the same time though.
Hurricane had no room for improvement, being a lightweight glass cannon that barely kept course in stronger winds
Thatâs not taking into account RAF Lancasters bombing the synthetic oil plants. That in turn affected the fuel needed for the ME-262s.
Well we'll never know the actual effectiveness of say 500 or 1000 262's but one thing is for sure it quiet possibly woiuld of made some changes in bombing strategy more so daylight raids than night raids possibly more fighter cover who knows this argument is consigned to the history books now
During the later stages of the Normandy Campaign ground attack was banned because of blue on blue incidents!
The British had the Meteor, which was comparable to the Me 262. They were very effective at chasing V1's over England, but lacked range and endurance. The Allies also found that their long-ranged fighters were capable of combating the Me 262 - early jet engines had poor acceleration.
The Gloster Meatbox was not a fighter and never saw regular RAF service in the Fighter role, due to its poor overall performance it was restricted to Ground Attack, Reconnaissance and training roles. The Meatbox was only very briefly tested in the V-1 interceptor role and withdrawn after disappointing results, it was replaced by faster more effective propeller-driven aircraft like the Tempest and Mosquito. Allied fighters were completely outclassed by the Me-262, a design so revolutionary it rendered all prop fighters obsolete. Moot point, the Me-262 had a continuous cruising speed of over 465 mph...so acceleration was not a factor the German jet had a minimum 100+mph speed advantage throughout its entire performance envelope. The Meatbox only killed British pilots during WW2
Totally different aircraft, built for totally different purposes. The only thing in common they have is twin engines
yep, but the question is which would you rather?
@@CalibanRising it would depend if what your objective was
no, both the british and the usa had jets ready to produce. a nazi is trying to justify hitler's program
Think they were deployed as targets for Naval guns
When I was growing up, my prize toy was an intricate die-cast model of a P-38 Lightning. Thought it was the coolest aircraft in WW2. Don't know what ever happened to that toy, it's been 57 years since I can remember playing with it.
Coulda,woulda,etc.the day and night bomber offensive stopped them building more,fulling them and training pilots. It worked. It got rid of nazis scourge.
Not really, Galland is engaging in âwoulda, shoulda, couldaâ and âmadman Hitlerâ as an excuse for losing the air war. A more nuanced examination of history shows that the reasons the ME-262 was delayed was not solely due to Hitler but other issues in its design and development. Blaming Hitler is a way to blame your mistakes on someone nobody will defend, and capitalizes on a narrative that is readily accessible
Could of, should of, would of
Like a lot of alternative histories, this one seems to assume that the opposition would not have adapted to the new threats. I suspect that the Allied forces would have adapted quickly. If nothing else, the P-51's would have gotten ADI and some groups would have been placed high enough to dive on the 262s while others would fly low to catch them as they were trying to land. Meteors would have been used to escort bombers and the P-80 program would have been accelerated. B-29s and the Atomic bombs would have been used in Germany. The ground war would still have continued, likely with more of Germany ending up in Russian hands. In the end, Germany would likely have come out of the war even worse.
IDK. The Meteor was 100 mph slower than the 262 and lacked the range to escort. The P-80 was also much slower than the 262. For sure the B-29 Nuke combo would have won the war.
@@TheAneewAony Although the Meteor and P-80 were not the equal of the 262, they still would likely have been tried and improved more quickly than they were. A lot of factors come into fighter tactics and top speed in level flight is just one of them. That is why the concept of "energy" became more important later on. A diving P-51 is faster than a climbing or maneuvering 262. There are indeed stories of diving P-51s catching 262s. If nothing else, a gaggle of Allied fighters could wait until the 262s had to land. To stop the bombing, the 262s would have needed to concentrate on the bombers, making themselves easier targets for the fighters who would have the altitude advantage and know where the 262s would eventually need to fly.
Considering the engine was rebuilt every few hours, i dont think it would have mettered
I cant believe after all this they named a tea after it !!!
They almost did, but then bottled it at the final letter.
@@CalibanRising whats a letter between friends ? ... unless your French of course !
Nazi philosophy depended on a fantasy view of reality. The magic of wunderwaffen was part of that. Hard to know how much the opportunity cost of all that industrial divertion was.
What about the fuel they needed?
Wonder weapons wouldn't save the reich, allies from the west and soviets from the east, italy surrendered it was only a matter of time.
Nice video, but as you couldn't be bothered to research the name of the Sqn. ( it has always been Trebble One, nothing else !) This throws doubt on everything you say. Show respect, Get It Right. !
Well, now I know. When it doesn't come up in 20+ hours of research, it's probably not as common knowledge as you think Ben.
Apples and oranges. The P-38 is a primarily a fighter and the Mosquito a fast bomber. I would say the Mosquito is definitely the more versatile of the two. So it really depends on the mission.
Hand-wind the landing gear on carrier aircraft? I've got more important things to do, like trying to stay alive and take-off/land that thing. Give me the Zero, baby, any day (as long as I'm only fighting F4Fs.)
There are a lot of ifs in war. One is that if someone in Britain had have recognised Whittle's genius and put the jet engine on crash priority with Rolls Royce much earlier there could have been a jet at the Battle of Britain. The famous trade with Rover of a tank engine factory for the Whittle jet factory could have been much earlier. Ifs don't win wars. A really good book on the Merlin and early British jets is "Not much of an Engineer" by Sir Stanley Hooker who took on Whittle's early jets and turned out the magnificent Rolls Royce jets.
Thanks for the book recommendation!
Whittle sabotaged his career before it even started when he was exposed for plagiarizing the work of AA Griffiths (RAE head of Engine Development) published in 1926 and who pointed out several egregious errors in his 1930 patent. Whittle in fact never constructed his 1930 patent design and never built any engine with an axial compressor. The RAE realized that Whittle was not actually familiar or knowledgeable regarding compressors or how they worked and was simply speculating wildly. Whittle would not begin actual work on jet engines until moving to Rugby in 1936, years after jet development began in Germany. Whittle was incredibly difficult to work with and demanded help from experts yet claimed it was his work, Both Hooker and Adrian Lombard refused to work with Whittle who by them had become addled with drug and alcohol problems. Production of jet engines was handed over to Hooker at Rolls Royce after the infamous incident at Power Jets ltd when Whittle was arrested for assaulting a young R-R engineer and brandishing a gun at a meeting after a week-long drug and drink binge. Hooker and Lombard are the real genius behind the British jet program.
Made by slave labour...
Lightning no question. The mosquito had no armor meant it was made out of wood. If for no other reason, then the lightning was put together with more robust materials. I acknowledge there are trade-offs. But in the dogfight, I would much rather be in a lightning.
I'd dispute your K:D ratios. By all accounts, the Me262 was not a very forgiving aircraft, and getting the guns on target in the very brief windwos of engagement against a bomber was rather hard. A lot were also shot down during final approach. These were both issues of institutional knowledge, and I would both problems to go away with increased operational experience. Especially if introduced earlier in the war. With better docterine based on experience rather than theory, I'd expect the kill ratio to increase significantly. It certainly had the potential to live up to Gallad's expectation of halting daytime raids. But would it have stopped the war? Hell no. Soviet victory was all but inevitable once they get their production back into high gear. The fighter would have done nothing to stop RAF night time raids. And if Germany had been making major strides in jet technology, Bletchley Park would have read all about it in real time, and Britain would have accelerated its own jet programme. The Meteor and Vampire weren't as fast as the Swallow, but they probably would have been enough to make attack runs on the bombers much harder.
Everyone that actually flew the Me-262 praised its performance and excellent handling... research confirms that the Me-262 had the most powerful and effective standard gun package of any WW2 aircraft, a single 30mm shell was all that was needed to knock out an enemy plane. That is a problem that effects all aircraft, even modern jets are vulnerable during both take-off and on final, not at all unique the Me-262 so not a real disadvantage. The Me-262 was the only effective jet fighter in operation service during WW2 so doctrines based on experience did not exist yet. No single aircraft can change the outcome of the war, the introduction of the F-4 Phantom II had no impact on the war in Vietnam, America still lost. The Me-262 was a very effective night fighter against RAF bombers. Not true, The RLMs _Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt_ supersonic wind tunnel laboratories in Braunschweig where the Me-262 was developed remained a complete secret to the Allies until after the war had ended... a shocking failure of Allied intelligence. Britain was a decade behind in jet aircraft technology... they would not catch up to German WW2 aircraft until the 1950s. Neither the Gloster Meatbox nor the Vampire were effective fighter aircraft... the RAF would not have an effective swept-wing axial jet powered fighter until the Hawker Hunter in the 50s! Just wishful thinking on your part.
@@DoktorBayerischeMotorenWerke There is a reason no one takes wehraboos seriously. Thank you for reminding us why.
@@anticarrrot We just stick with the facts here lad... your decision to resort to the childish insults confirms that you are incapable of refuting these facts. Cheers mate!
Would have... could have... but you didn't. Not even close.
Totally agree with you there.
And still german aré the top 100 ace fighters.
@@easterworshipper730 when fighting for personal kill count & fame rather than as an airforce and winning the war. đ Brilliant strategy. đso heroic. (And has absolutely nothing to do with my comment.)
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They didnt had the ressources.... but yes before for sure they had the petter pilots :) america did it with the material,not with quality of people đ
Or properly trained pilots.
True, it was a surprisingly big leap from a 109 or 190 to a Me 262.
The were two 262 squadrons completely piloted by aces. There were 28 jet aces in WWII all flew the 262
The development money spent on the Spitfire would have gone into Hurricanes. Perhaps we would have seen a thinner wing faster versions and, high altitude variants ?
Ultimately the Hurricane had its limits. I think you are right in the sense that Hawker may have developed the 'next' Hurricane with those extra funds.
Not much use without engines.
If the ME-262 had shown up earlier that simply would have sped up deployment of the Gloster Meteor as well as the Lockheed P-80. Both of which were already in limited svc in 1944. We would have adjusted.
No. The Allies were years behind in aerodynamic research. Hence Operation Paperclip
We? How old are you?
@@stejer211 We as in the US and it's Allies. I'm proud to be a part of that whether I was there or not.
@@b3j8 LOL! It's easy to be proud of something you did nothing for.
@@stejer211 Dude go argue w/somebody else!
If those Me's wouldn't have defended the Romanian oil fields, then not even 10000 jet planes wouldn't have stopped the Western Offensive. Technology can be a powerful tool. But like all tools, tehnology is useless if not used properly.