Desert Warfare Specialist Rates 8 Desert Warfare Scenes In Movies | How Real Is It? | Insider
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- Former Royal Marines Commando Gareth Timmins looks at eight desert warfare scenes from movies and rates them based on realism.
He looks at "Three Kings" (1999), "Jarhead" (2005), "Rambo III" (1988), "Sicario: Day of the Soldado" (2018), "Bravo Two Zero" (1999), "Megan Leavey" (2017), "War Machine” (2017), and "Lone Survivor" (2013).
Timmins is a former Royal Marines commando. His book, "Becoming the 0.1%," documents his experiences of elite military training. He has fought overseas in Iraq, the northern Persian Gulf, and the Gulf of Aden and Somali Basin. He now works in private security.
Find out more about Gareth’s Book: linktr.ee/garethtimmins
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Desert Warfare Specialist Rates 9 Desert Warfare Scenes In Movies | How Real Is It?
I like how this guy breaks down his ratings at the end of every review as to why they received each grade. Most don’t do that.
Right? Most of the time the experts say something like,
"Uhhh .....It's pretty far off what we'd do. I'll give it a.....I guess an 8"
He isn't real - look at his tattoos ...
@@lyntoncollins2758 You really don't think he would've gotten tagged for stolen valor (or I guess in the UK it would've been the 2006 Fraud Act) by now? This isn't the first time he's publicized his service.
this dude is so british. Also loved the "various parts of the middle east"
Bantering
Good to hear a Northern accent. That's right folks, not all British people are cockneys or toffs.
Oh you mean "oops shite can't say that one can I?!" in Kadzbalastan?
@@MrThedalaillamaknows ikr reading is so hard xD
@@Flunchbungle American here, sounds like a Yorkshire accent to my relatively untrained ear, would that be correct? He sounds a bit like Sean Bean.
Former combat engineer here only thing to say is that mines can be effectively used above ground, and have been. One example is when we invaded Iraq, Iraqi forces would scatter them on highways on overpasses and bridges. This was effective in slowing us down. They would be easy to defeat but if all you need is a bit of time, it works.
This wasn't being remotely scattered or hastily emplaced by retreating enemies as a pursuit deterrent though, this looked like the most half assed minefield of all time
Captain obvious reporting in...
Half assed or not, dealing with explosives is no laughing matter. Even if you can see the explosives above the ground, you must take precautions to properly defeat the mines. You can't afford to be lackadaisical when dealing with demolition. The unit I was in got blacklisted due to a training accident involving demo. He didn't follow his training and got his leg blown off. It took a year for us to get back into doing the demo range.
@@abelcheng2073 That's true but Sikes is still right
Flat desert, no road but mines neatly lined up above ground. I dont think anybody would do that, unless they had surplus mines they did not want to explode because the enemy can just drive around them... mines dropped from a plane would do a better job because the pattern would be random. 😅
Getting blown up by a landline (landmine) right 1 meter to your left, flying 5 meters and then just getting up is peak Hollywood.
and thats why i only use my mobile phone
@@pasta-and-heroin
Oh no, you said phone 👀
*Hears military screaming in the distance* 👀
I used to know one of these guys he was in the Falklands and ended up being a post master in north Wales like this gent he was softly spoken and so calm totally not what the movies show you
Although drill sergeants are definitely almost all of the time like in the movies
I found the soft spokeness probably comes from the fact that anything in the civilian world pales in comparison to military issues. Like things we would consider stressful are not nearly as bad.
@@robgfiness2808 can confirm, my PTSD after service is much worse than PTSD I got after being r***d
Also all of ya looking in this comment section, brytsati(attention) look up russian military drill seargents
Cool story 💤
I think with the Jarhead scene a lot of the „unrealistic“ details where done intentionally, like they don‘t get to cover because they haven‘t trained or been trained in a long time and I think it is an artistic decision to let him walk into the line of fire and also to make them raise their weapons instantanously.
Without a doubt
I was a Marine who fought in Desert Storm. A lot of the movie was surprisingly realistic.
yeah, his critiques are more focused on whether or not the tactics are doctrinal, not whether they're realistic... those are two different things
@@davidcruz8667 I want to become a marine when I’m 18.
@@dylanjohnson4624 have fun with your ptsd bro
Mines: singular purpose to be buried and incognito.
Mines in that scene: scattered around like easter eggs in plain view
Generally, even Easter eggs are hidden in cursory manner. These were laid out like legos in a childs bedroom
They certainly can be used in plain view. We also have trained to do that. It can be used when just trying to restrict movement and it can be used on a road that friendlies use. Their purpose isnt to ambush. These can be used to guide enemies into position we can take them out easier or if they dont take the bait then they will be slowed down tremendously trying to avoid explosives that might be there hidden. And dont think that they can just pick them up. Mines can be rigged with all sorts of tricks so touching them is a big no no.
As someone who was actually there I can confirm that we did quite regularly find mines on the surface.
You're assuming the mines we're there to cause damage. I've seen multiple reports and stories from soldiers of finding mines left out on roads, in fields, and highways. Sometimes the purpose of a mine isn't to cause damage, but just delay someone from advancing. When the Taliban needed to evac from an area before the US showed up, what better way to give yourself more time, than stop the US enterily until the roads been confirmed clear.
Would love to have gotten his thoughts on Generation Kill (underrated show for sure)
Honestly, I rewatched it last weekend, so good.
Wouldn't say it's underrated more that it's incredibly accurate to how soldiers act and isn't exactly the image the public had of the military hense why the show was more directed at ex and serving military personnel I'm pretty sure.
Generation Kill is a great show. Agree on it being underrated
Was really hoping he’d cover it. I’ve never been in the service, but everything seemed so natural and realistic in that show, no Hollywood whatsoever. Wish more people had seen that show
Yeah I don’t think it’s underrated just under watched.
Next video: serial killer breaks down death scenes in movies.
"Generally people don't make sounds like that when you stab them like that. I did hear it once."
::Smiles longingly::
@@jasonb9562 RIP Christopher Lee.
@@jasonb9562 This! lmao
@Joey Boy Christopher Lee once corrected Peter Jackson on how he should play the dying Saruman after the character gets stabbed by Grima, noting that he had stabbed a man to death before and knew better than Jackson how to realistically portray it. The comment reminded me of that.
It's technically feasible, there is a Columbian serial killer who made a CZcams channel lol
I worked with the Royal Marines while working as a soldier in Kandahar with the U.S. 101st Airborne, Rakkasans. You guys were a great bunch to work with. I caught the spacing issue too. One IED would take half the convoy out if you aren't properly maintaining distance. To have high level weapons training but no vehicle training in terms of basic tactics killed it for me.
It's a common issue in films, though, because it can be very difficult to photograph military formations that are properly spaced out simply because the people or units are so far apart. This has been discussed basically forever; I think I first heard it discussed by Dale Dye when he was talking about _Platoon,_ which was made in 1986. (It was probably on the commentary track for the 2001 DVD release.)
I haven't watched it, and not running a convoy arse to nose is just common sense, i've seen some right things that just mind boggling, i observed a soldier, not marines, army, walk past a bin in the middle of nowhere, i was too far to tell him that isn't a good idea, and sure enough, i did tell him 10 minutes later, just part of him, but you get them.
How can you tell if someone is a Rakkasan? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you!
@@jamiestewart48 googling rakkasan
If you want to see authentic war go volunteer to ukraine
You can tell he’s a pro because he actually empathizes with the experience of being shot at and thinks it through, showing that the actors are indeed portraying a realistic natural reaction, even for pros. That’s so important, and shows why the film feels so real.
I thought it was pretty insightful when he lets us know that the military lingo for driving through something was "Driving through it".
Yeah that was odd eh?
He said "dragging through", not "driving through".
There's actually a really good reason for doing that. In a situation like that the initial attack is mainly meant to pin you in place where the enemy wants you. If you can push through you can throw the attackers off balance and significantly reduce the effectiveness of the ambush.
Ur fuxking deaf mate he says dragging
@@commando552 No, he said "driving through it".
Sicario is just great! The first one's a little better but the second is still really good imo. Really hope they eventually get around to making the third one..
The 3rd has been confirmed
@@Delta-en4xd same cast?
@@Delta-en4xd good to hear
I’m wicked psyched for the 3rd Sicario film. They said that Emily Blunt is gonna be coming back in the next Sicario
@@Chatterbox-94 thanks, good info
5:50 Ever since the Rambo franchise started, I always wondered why Rambo would be in shirtless mode, in almost all of the first 3 movies...if not the sunburn or malaria mosquitoes, nothing ever bothered him. In 'First Blood', thanks to the cold, wet winter setting, he at least rustled up a canvas sleeveless top (for a while).
Thankfully, in the last two of the JR outings, he was in (tight) T-shirts.
Also fuel explosions such as in the scene depicted emanate tremendous amounts of heat radiation. And that travels VERY far. (imagine two scenarios: nuclear detonation and burning for example large amounts of old papers. The first one is so iconic that it strangely needs no explanation really: first is scorching heatwave vaporizing anything and anybody and only then the wind blast. Second example is harder, but anyone who attempted to lit the fire and added too much papers and was suddenly spooked by amounts of heat from those flames know what I am talking about.) Long story short, Rambo would be literal kebab, simmered meat after that explosion. No way he would have energy to run up the hill on sandy ground and operate DShK anyhow after that, he would be numb from pain no matter how macho he would be.
@@LikePhoenixFromAshes True!- And thanks to Hollywood and their pale imitators across the world, there's been those clichéd action scenes of the hero walking away in slo-mo from the blast/explosion without getting sandblasted by the shrapnel, or knocked out by the shock wave, much less singed by the heat wave...
One of the nicknames we have for my Chief in the Navy is The Filipino Rambo.
Got to show the steroid pumped muscles in a classic 80s action flick, be damned with logical practicality!
If the Rambo franchise was true to the books it was based on there wouldn't have been any Rambo films after "FIRST BLOOD" since in the book of the same title Rambo is killed.
The Jarhead part, I found interesting. Because that movie is based on the service of an actual Marine, he wrote a book about his experiences in Desert Storm.
And if I'm not mistaken, he was an advisor on the movie to make sure it all went the way he remembered.
Yeah........... but one of the rules of movie making it always get everyone in the shot which results in things like everyone bunched up too much, not worrying about firing angles, etc.
Even biopics often fall victim to Hollywood.
...complete with the fact that war is very, very, very, boring interrupted by sheer seconds of sheer terror.
@@gbonkers666 you know what they say, "hurry up and wait"
Most if not all of these movies have combat vets on set as advisors. They are never the final decision maker though. So if the director wants to increase the tension by saying “Let’s have everyone point their guns at them like they are getting ready to shoot,” then that’s what they do.
0:10 - Introduction
0:33 - Three Kings [1999]
2:38 - Sicario: Day of the Soldado [2018]
5:46 - Rambo III [1988]
7:57 - Jarhead [2005]
10:02 - Bravo Two Zero [1999]
11:23 - Megan Leavey [2017]
13:37 - Lone Survivor [2013]
15:24 - War Machine [2017]
cool
A bit disappointed that they didn't review the desert sniping scene from hurt locker but still a great video :D
These military expert reviews are always great.
Lol I wouldn’t consider any of these guys “military experts”. They’re former special operations guys for the most part so for you to just call them an expert is kind of insulting sounds like your calling them a civie
@@jimclayron417 You seem like a really, really sensitive person.
This is the best breakdown I've seen... tactics, weapons and effects comments are on point.. only miss is the Jake Glyngell not wearing a helmet or floppy... heat stroke and sunburn... kills you as surely as perforation or visceration.
I also will call him Jake Glyngell from now on.
Super bummed they didn’t include Steven Seagal’s Sniper: Special Ops
OMG. LMFAO "Fkn Seagal has gotta be 10/10!
The first no-no would have been his slow walks due to his paunch. Next would be the ridiculous 'tache.
Who do you think trained Gareth? He's not going to review his senpai.
Always funny watching a professional dissect these things. I am impressed by Gareth Timmins being so low key, modest and sensible.
It's because he's numb, bored and seen it all, lack of adrenaline, and other neurochemicals, i know because i have the same issue.
Insider not only finds the people who know what they're looking at, but also most of the time the people who are articulate and pleasant to listen to. This lad is a keeper, Insider! Please do bring him back.
Movie explosions rarely depict any shrapnel. In my experience, in Vietnam, that woman would have been killed or severly wounded, along with other members of the patrol. Real people don't just scamper along amongst explosions, rather, they get crippled by the shrapnel that flys out of almost all explosives. All mines are surrounded by metal. Also, far too much flames. That helicopter would go down, yes, but nothing on it would cause a massive explosion that totally hides the airframe while in mid-air.
Completely agree and I always find that ridiculous in movies. Some movies a bit more realistic when they show a shockwave and things being ripped to shreds from shrapnel. The Hurt Locker is a good example.
Yeah but that´s the issue with keeping movies appropriate so 12 year olds could watch them. I never quite understood that: Huge fiery explosions are fine, but any kind of blood, which is much more realistic and common in war, is a no-go. Most war movies miss on the bloody part, which makes war seem like an overall jollyful experience, and I don´t know why we would depict war like that. It is horrible, and the better a movie depicts the horrifying bloodstreams of war, the more realistic it would be.
@@leoh3616 I'm not sure why that surprising to you people have always remembered the glory of battle but never the horrors.
Thank you for your service. My dad did a tour on "The Big E".
@@leoh3616 Black Hawk Down did a good job of this. But most military movies today are either funded or supplied by the US Military who will correct a script when it's not what they want war to be depicted.
Hasty, surface laid minefields were a commonly used employment back in the high intensity warfare doctrines of the 80s-90s. They were not used so much to destroy equipment as they were to make you want to drive someplace else (that was better defended, typically).
facts
I think it was the neatness of the portrayed minefields that was the issue
@@markgrehan3726 I was involved in the post GW1 cleanup of unexploded ordnance in Kuwait. Surface laid minefields in regular patterns with good fencing were quite common, including a mix of these Valmara V69 bounding fragmentation mines protecting anti-tank mines weren’t uncommon.
Why? Maybe the Iraqis were quite late in deploying the mines? Maybe they thought they were going to win and wanted to make them easier to clear after? We wondered ourselves but never came to a conclusion.
@@bob_the_bomb4508 Cheers man, always cool to hear from someone who experienced something first hand, glad you made it back safely after helping clear up that dangerous mess.
@@markgrehan3726 thanks! No worries…
A quick note about the Lutchrell scene. It wasn't a hostage mission, but a recovery. I work with a guy who is friends with one of the pilots that recovered him. Air Force search and rescue conducted it and it was at night, so smoke would've been unnecessary anyway.
If you watched the movie, you already KNOW it wasn’t a hostage mission.
I think I read somewhere Marcus Luttrell explain that he was rescued by a combination of Air Force Pararescue and US Army Special Forces (Green Berets)
@@kjb6637 yeah on the Joe Rogan experience he goes into detail and explains that the mission was much longer than an afternoon and that his rescue was much worse combat wise than the mountain battle that him and his team went through. He said one of the pilots intentionally crashed into the side of the mountain to get the green berets down on the ground unharmed from the heavy fire they were taking. Crazy story.
I think most of these experts (at least the ones on Insider/Vanity Fair/ and maybe WIRED) don't watch much of the movies or media apart from the things that directly apply to their experience, so they don't have the context of the scenes to take into account. I think the experts that GQ brings in watch more to gain a better understanding.
@@twilight_lupinesilva4691 Yea. I think that's more of the fault of the Production team of the channel. They should at least be setting up the scene with a few sentences like "This is the rescue mission at the end from friendly villagers that notified the military of his whereabouts."
Police Officer break down police scenes and Firefighter breaks fire fighter scenes.
They actually have a video with a NY Firefighter, but I'm not sure about a police officer.
All emergency services.
Firefighter is pretty much the Fire Department Chronicles CZcams channel.
Watch Donut Operator for the police breakdowns
Two thoughts that came to mind:
1. For the Rambo III section, it's always amusing to bring up how the movie is basically "the quintessential American hero helps out the Mujahadeen" given what happened afterward.
2. 11:50 if you were close enough to an IED powerful enough to THROW you 10 feet away, making the landing in less than two pieces seems like a noteworthy feat.
On part 2 absolutely, he implies that. Very few explosives make that possible, its a bit of an odd choice. Any high explosive the shockwave kills you before barely knocking you over.
However, a combo of (*low explosive here*) and buried in a lot of dirt makes it sort of maybe still not quite possible.
number 2 is not accurate. I know several people that survived. A buddy of mine stepped on an IED and was thrown back like a ragdoll. He has shrapnel in his body but that is it. He walked away with everything else intact. There is higher odds of dying to one but numerous people survived without losing pieces to IEDs.
I could legit listen to this dude all day...love his to the point explanations and doing without talking down to viewers like we're all idiots as some do..great vid love to see more from this guy
Yea, he's very humble. Combine that with great skill and he's a good role model.
I’m a 24 year Tank Commander that trained to counter a Russian advance through Eastern Europe and then spent 03-05 and 08-09 in Iraq. During that time I did PSD work, was a 50 cal gunner, conducted patrols both mounted and dismounted. I love your breakdown of these movies.
I just love how calm and soft spoken this man is compared to what he is capable of doing. Great break downs with lots of detail and no drama whatsoever. I am quite close to a friend of mine who is in the Indian Army (NSG). Some of the stories he shares has so much violence and stress that it makes us feel so humble and yet envy him for the job he has compared to our's. The guy is so well spoken, calm and composed all the time. Such a contrast from the situations he's been in. I've heard similar movie break downs with him and it has always brought a laugh or two. Great times.
There's a distinct trend amongst actual operators, in that they rarely behave the way people expect. They don't thump their chests, and talk about what they can do, because at the end of the day, they KNOW what they're capable of, and what they'll do, if it comes to it, so talking about it is both a waste of time, and serves no purpose other than to give someone advanced warning this fight isn't going to be easy. Lot easier to take someone down if they underestimate you.
Should've done Generation Kill.
That would've been nice but it's a mini-series, he's only covering movies. Might be worth having a seperate video covering combat scenes in TV shows (Generation Kill, Over There, SEALS, etc.)
why, we all know its 10/10 ;)
Well, had they chosen the part where Captain America was telling everyone to attack on his tracers while running around hip firing a kalashnikov after seizing an airfield, I think it would have gotten 2/10. But most of it was good, imo.
Civilians don't rate to watch it
Great video, yet again. How you manage to find such specific experts is great
fool
This guy has great delivery.
Yea SAS
@@80Loke he wasnt in the SAS
@@80Loke he was rmc not SAS
Spot on for most of it. The female Marine one, being that close to an IED explosion she would've been toast. I know that from experience. Her only saving grace would've been is if the IED was buried too deep and the ground absorbed most of the blast wave and shrapnel, but she would've been so messed up being that close she's being medevac'd on the spot. The smoke scene in Lone Survivor serves several purposes 1. is to mark the landing zone but you never announce what color you are using. That is because an enemy listening in can pop the same colored smoke and confuse the pilot. Inside you say something to the effect of "LZ marked with smoke" an the pilot will respond with "roger, I see blue smoke" or something and then you confirm or deny. Or what color to use has already been briefed before the mission. The 2nd reason reason using smoke is to give the pilot a visual on wind direction and wind speed when they're coming in for a landing so they can position the helicopter for a clean landing and take off.
He is correct though that in any rescue attempt as the person being rescued you are not simply going to be asked is you are so-and-so. But you are not going to be asked your rank and serial (social security) number either since that is easily obtainable information. Before my unit left for Iraq, each one of us was videotaped in a 5 minute long interview session asking personal identifying questions like what street you grew up on, the name of your little league baseball team, your best friend in the 4th grade, or if you've ever been to Disney. We also had to fill out a multipage questionnaire with similar questions. The purpose behind that was for quick identification on the ground by the rescue team and if there were any doubts about your identity enough information to be screened by an intelligence team.
This guy is SAS so he won't do p.o.g tactics. Hes spot on except that distance in dust. RLTW
@@trumpone4443 He's RMC, not SAS.
@@synchc he's in another video like this and he says SAS. He can be both.
@@trumpone4443 Sure can, which is why I looked him up. It's never once mentioned he's ex-SAS.
If he _was_ ex-SAS, publicly, I don't really see why he'd write a book about passing the RM commando course and call it Becoming The 0.1% when he could have written Becoming The 0.001% about the combined SF selection. I also doubt, proud though the RMs are, he'd publicize himself as an ex-RM rather than ex-SAS.
Provide the link and I'll eat humble pie but, most likely, you got this and another fella mixed up.
@@trumpone4443 i'm not sure how much is appropriate to say. But sometimes commando, sas, sbs, are jobs more than distinct entities. Fair bit of and easy crossover.
this dude is badass, never heard of him until today but id like to check that book out
The immature banter of the Marines was pretty realistic. In Fallujah we were so young and so much more to learn.
Honestly this can be the most realistic part a movie. Depending on how long you been in country the darkness of the humor most people would never believe happens. Least that was my personal experience. I would of never of guessed I would had a good laugh at another convoy taking an IDE attack instead of us.
@@firehazard51 Didn't he say that the language in the clip was "tame"?
I got the impression that he didn't say they wouldn't swear, but that their choice of words was "childish" and IRL would have been coarser(?)
I think this is more of a Brit thing. I know that our lads are much more disciplined when it comes to keeping chat to a minimum. Some of the Americans I knew just seemed to never stop talking.
@@firehazard51 yeah no it was immature and tame like he said. The language should've been much more visceral. And its normal. Humour serves a biological function deeply rooted in our fight reflex. Laughing is a bearing teeth display and a signal you are all ready to fight together and are among friends. The context was a way to disassociate from the fact it was random and could easily be your group.
All in all it is very healthy in context. Out of context of course it seems outrageous without understanding the true origins of laughter.
When he was mentioning the chatter being immature and unrealistic. I can confirm that to be VERY TRUE. At times during a mission when being attacked, sometimes military bearing does go out of the window and mostly due to an overwhelming attack and being scared. It was up to us senior NCO's to keep things in tact!
The seriousness and the look in his eyes as he's observing these clips really gives off that he's seen death in his face.
Or maybe his nature is just to be calm.
More like the look of a man who's sat through one to many operations meetings, and knows what to pay attention to, and what to ignore as useless chatter.
@@williampitt1537 It's probably both of those things.
16:00 As a former service member I'm gonna disagree with him on the immature chatter. You're working with 18 and 19 year old kids sometimes. That's the general population. He seemed to be some kind of specialist, so I imagine his platoon was far more mature and extensively trained compared to the average marine. 🤷🏽♂️ People give lip all the time when they're given orders by someone they don't like, especially the young ones.
100%
I think it comes down to culture and sadly American culture and armed service training is just inferior to the British all round.
I see this kind of behaviour portrayed a lot in films depicting American military units. I've often wondered how accurate it is because, as an ex member of HM Forces (Army), I did not see it in the units in which I served. You just didn't cheek your superiors like that.
It's cultural based on military. In the USA, especially in the marines, mouthing off at people of equal rank is expected. In other militaries mouthing off to your squad mates is still leads to massive consequences because that type of thing is taken much more seriously.
Dead on
There’s a bunch of lengthy documentaries following USMC/US Army in Afghanistan
Nice lad. And went into more observations and details than some guests usually do.
Is just hard to breakthrough scenes when sometimes some things are done intentionally and you'd only know in full context.
The immature chatter bit was basically my army experience haha
"Do they have weapons?" We called that 'playing lawyer ball' from a line in the old animated show, "King of the Hill." The gist is that if JAG would likely be okay with it in a comfortable, safe room, months after the fact, you're probably good to go to pull the trigger
As a Cavalry Scout that served in Iraq, hats off to the Brits for sharing their hot tea! Strong hot tea in the middle of a war zone is surprisingly refreshing!
It actually helps soothe the nervous system, activating the vagus nerve. Pg tips or red rose or the fancy stuff, twinings?
@@Stitchwitchstitch I dunno, Bro. I didn't ask. We were horse trading during a Phase line recalibration and part of the deal was Hot Tea, It's not my thing. Me and a couple of other guys swished out our canteen cups and they filled us each up about 1/3 of our cups. We hung out for about 10 minutes then rolled out. The tea was amazing, though. I don't remember a lot of things from the invasion but that was a bright spot.
He’s so nice discussing horrific and terrifying things!
Much respect thanks for your and all Vets. service.
Underrated movie people should watch is Kajaki. Great film about the dangers of IEDs
Only they’re not IED in that film, but standard anti-personnel mines. It is however an excellent representation based on a true story. I use clips from it in training.
Coming from an Iraq war marine veteran, the chatter between the Marines is absolutely accurate. We talked to each other like that in combat a lot. It was not protracted sentences, but quick no holds bar sentences.
yea he lost me on that one cause not just the marines talked like that during Iraq or Afghanistan. I not sure where he got that it was immature or unrealistic at all.
@@noyou9379 He's talking about it from a British forces standpoint. The British forces are much more restrained and controlled in those instances so you wouldn't have this situation.
As he pointed out, it's a more immature communication typical of gobby yanks that think they're playing action man.
@@synthrogue6856 blah blah blah please save us when wittle old bad germany goes on the warpath again blah blah blah
he’s part of an uber-disciplined unit so that stuff is banned by their NCOs and officers…i doubt he actually experienced things among regular Royal Marines
@@synthrogue6856 he was talking about it from a commando standpoint, regular Royal Marines would be similar in actions so save the anti-American bullshit because his brothers in the Royal Marines do the exact same thing
You guys always find the best people. This guy is awesome
hats off to Gareth - we appreciate all you have done ,sir
In that particular cut scene from Rambo the helicopter is a Gazelle, but the other one that appears on the movie is as puma. I blame the editor
I was literally about to comment this..... good eye
The Puma does appear very briefly at 6:30 just behind the Gazelle. I assume its an editing mistake and he is watching a different scene to the scene they are showing the viewers.
As a marine i take offense to him saying that we’re to mature to swear. What was inaccurate was how little swearing there was. If he wants proof just watch Generation Kill. The most accurate show about Marine culture out there.
Lmao I literally scrolled through the comments to see if anyone pointed this out before I had too.
I assume you were talking about his comments on the War Machine clip. If you watch it again, you might notice that he says the swearing is a bit tame. He didn't say that marines are too mature to swear, he said the characters acting in the clip were too immature. Sounded to me that he meant their attitude and lack of professionalism.
Sure you're a marine
That was pretty much the exact opposite of what he said
@@tharoz6406 Listening/Reading-comprehension isn't the Marine's strong suit...
Just joking!!!
it honestly amazes how these guys are very well spoken about everything that’s happening. It also amazes me how many people in these comments have some what experience and can relate to the guy in the video. Would love to hear some stories,super Intrigued.
Cracking effort Royal
These are US Marines and "The chatter is very immature". Nah as a Marine that is very very accurate... well honestly it's too tame.
Former Army Infantry here, I agree with you. It took at least 2 years for me to stop saying the f-bomb as a noun, adjective, verb, pronoun, ETC.. in every sentence, as well as no longer using HUA after I got out. I get together with guys still in today and its right back to it.
@@Dustywitch he isn’t saying the swearing is immature, but the nature in which it’s used, constantly having a go at each other. In most militaries swearing is as natural as breathing, in the British military more so because of our culture.
Very interesting to hear about trained vs untrained response but also about the instinctual responses to protect yourself
Worked logistics down range. His assessment of the convoy is spot on in Sicario is spot on. Idk the dozens of times we've had to deal with complex attacks like this and they're always crazy.
Thank you for you time sir!
One veto. I was in the Federal German Army when Rambo III came out, and my father served with the Luftwaffe in World War 2, so I was genetically fascinated by aircrafts from early childhood on. In this movie does in fact appear a Puma as a Mil 24 Hind (though the broad cockpit gave it away immediately), but the little helicopter shown in 06:28 is a modified Aerospatiale SA341 Gazelle. As far as I know nobody is perfectly certain which kind of Soviet airframe was to be represented this way, because even the Kamov designs are quite different.
If you look carefully at 6:30 you can see the Puma in the background. Considering he would have likely seen and used Puma's during his service it is likely he is viewing a different scene than the editors are showing to the viewers.
@@marklewis3348 That's an astute guess, nice.
It was made in the 80s with Hinds not available to Western filmmakers so I reckon the decision was we'll paint a Russian cam scheme on it and stick some fibreglass rocket pods on the side and our target audience won't know the difference
The side by side cockpit is forgivable in that it could be pretending to be a Hind-A, which was the first version with a wide side by side "greenhouse" canopy.
This guy knows what he's talking about! Would love to have a drink and hear some of the stories he has to tell!
One of the best I have seen. I learned a lot.
One of the best reviews yet.
Soft spoken because a total badass never needs to raise their voice.
Thing about the smoke scene. Red is typically used as a "waive off" color. It's tossed when a helicopter is coming in to tell them it's not safe.
Typically the aircrew would be in radio contact with the ground element the entire time before landing, and then positively confirm smoke color. Smoke not only marks the LZ, but it is helpful for the aircrew to guage wind direction and wind speed.
In the scenes with the Marines (like Jarhead) what you pointed out as bad tactics and gave low ratings was actually fairly realistic. If you watched any combat footage from the early 2000s Iraq war or Gulf War. Many were very young men, 18, 19, 20 year olds with little experience. Regular grunts aren't/weren't as well trained as Commandos are.
The scene from Jarhead is a bit out of context because it cuts off the part where they realize the camel men were harmless and that they were posturing up for no reason. At the time the film took place, the US still really havent been training local cultural norms, posturing/body language, and de-escilation yet.
There's a bit of authority bias here because "we would never do it that way, therefore it isn't realistic" Doesn't take into account that everyone's skill level, experience, and knowledge is different.
So then wouldn’t green be the signal for extract? I haven’t served but I’ve seen green smoke depicted as a flag for extraction before in media and I’m wondering if that would be correct
@@robloxpwnr7604 Smoke can be any color. Theres blue, white, yellow, violet, green and red. Air crew will verify over radio "I have [insert color here] smoke." Then the ground element should verify "affirmative, [insert color] smoke."
This positive identification of the color is important because we learned the hard way in Vietnam. The enemy would toss out smoke grenades when they know the helicopters are coming, expecting the crew to get confused and chose to land there. Making them an easy target.
Ideally, the color of smoke to be used should be briefed ahead of time and kept somewhat secret. It should change every day as well.
@@atadbitnefarious1387 Good to know. That part about Vietnam is insane, it’s such a small but very easily exploitable detail that I never would have thought of. Appreciate the response brother I love to learn more about this stuff 👍
Jargead intentionally overdramatizes mistakes and inexperience, it was one of a few military hit pieces made then
and the commentator is a commando: the USMC equivalent of a Marine Raider. these guys were basic infantry so of course they’re not doing things that he’s going to do!
The desert ambush scene in the hurt locker is a thing of beauty
Best review I've seen so far in the series from some one who's been there done it lived and knows what they're talking about.
In the rescue of Marcus Luttrell, they asked him for his favourite superhero, which is: Spiderman, and he was not held hostage, but protected by the villagers who were willing to to pay with their lives to protect him.
The US is not a signatory of the Ottawa Convention but neither have China, Pakistan, India or Russia signed either.
I'd be trying hard to leave a club that had China and Russia in it
The mines we have along the North Korean borders is the reason why we didn't sign the convention I heard. Specifically I think there is a part about mines having to self destruct with so much time after being placed is the issue. We don't want to keep placing mines every months when they "expire".
There are 35 UN countries that did not sign. US generally is allergic to any conventions and limits on armed response and has far less treaties signed then China or Russia.
Nice video as always!
Really needed that hurt locker sniping scene in this. Great video nonetheless!
Love the book mate!
Speaking for the Lone Survivor clip; My first deployment I was given a sheet with multiple questions and provided the answers specifically for a situation like this. Questions could be something like, "What color was your first car?", if you're married "What's your (spouse's) middle name?, etc. The rescue team would have these questions and your answers to verify your identity. They wouldn't just ask "Are you this person?" and believe you because you moved your head. But this is a Hollywood recreation of real events and have a specified amount of time to tell a story.
I just cant get my head around that film, if that is factual, that they got in that situation in that manner, to be honest they are a liability, they were compromised, and you either withdraw or do what must be done to uncompromise your position, to end up like that, that position is indefensible, its untenable, there's no evac from there, did that heli really go in there like that? How could that be authorised?
@@WhySoSerious551 it was based off of a book about a real life person snd his story…and is highly controversial among the military due to issues involving his story
@@bostonrailfan2427 I'm not surprised, there is no way they would get an air evac from that mountain, not with those geographics, and how compromised the whole fkn place is, rpg's everywhere, not a chance. The more realistic scenario would be to tell them to hold fast, drones would be sent in to reccy the area and offer close support, then support would be sent in, but not to the top of the mountain where gunfire is being exchanged, at the bottom. And the taliban do not just run in to fire like that, they need to stop making those propagandist films, they can actually shoot, accurately. Many have killed numerous seals, delta, rangers, brits, some of those guys have killed over 100 nato personel.
Excellent breakdown
BRING THIS GUY BACK!!!!
0:33 Scene from "Three Kings" (1999) 3/10
2:37 Scene from "Sicario: Day of the Soldado" (2018) 9/10
9:45 Scene from "Rambo III" (1988) 5/10
7:56 Scene from "Jarhead" (2005) 5/10
10:01 Scene from "Bravo Two Zero" (1999) 4/10
11:22 Scene from "Megan Leavey" (2017) 7/10
13:36 Scene from "Lone Survivor" (2013) 9/10
15:23 Scene from "War Machine” (2017) 5/10
Here are some more dessert warfare movies you can rate.
BATTLE OF ALGIERS.
THE BEAST.
BEAU GESTE.
CAST A GIANT SHADOW.
COURAGE UNDER FIRE.
THE FOUR FEATHERS.
GENERATION KILL.
KHARTOUM.
HYENA ROAD.
KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA.
MARCH OR DIE.
THE MARK OF CAIN.
MASADA.
THE OBJECTIVE.
SAHARA.
SPECIAL FORCES.
TOBRUK.
THE WALL.
THE YOUNG LIONS.
Good video the guy is very calm and just saying what his perspective is and his opinions which I like.
Very informative and a little more detailed than most of these video's. I did miss Generation Kill, The Wall and American Sniper, was hoping to get some more insight into these 3.
I really appreciate the way he can break down highly technical details in a way which makes a layperson understand them. That is the mark of a real professional
Layman*
Stop hikacking words with woke bs.
@@sendit1924 Good on you, Edgelord! You showed those SJWs! Sorry, Trump still won't sleep with you. And anyone who uses "woke" or "SJW" or any of those other words as a pejorative is a bell-end
I 100% expected some Generation Kill scenes in this....
I like the fact that they mixed the anti-personnel mines with those anti-tank mines in the 3-kings clip. As awkwardly exposed as the placement was, the attention to detail in mixing those together which is a tactic used by many militaries to prevent disarming of anti-tank mines.
Great vid!
11:05 the same scene included movement drills and eventually getting to cover.
Would've been interested in input on "cooking" grenades, playing dead and having a compass attached to a weapon from that.
"Bravo Two Zero - SAS Battle Scene" on CZcams.
"I think the percentage of success that it would get from doing what it does would be very, very small."
I don't know why that was so funny. 😂
Cool, some of these movies I never heard of. Now I gotta find them and watch them.
I'm so happy that Rambo 3 was covered - I've always wondered how realistic Rambo was ;)
I can't find one but do you have one of these that rates 19th century line infantry tactics like the battles of Iswandwala, Rourke's Drift, Custer's Last Stand etc where you see them creating boxes and falling back or advancing by rank?
Who else pauses the vid and makes a note of the movies he rated 8 & above aha! Hes just great I like his quiet professional tone. Nice to see some movies make the effort to get things accurate. At 6:30 that is a Gazelle helicopter (French design) modded to look like a gunship. The movie DOES have a modded Puma so my guess is the editors dropped the Puma footage - but left in his feedback about it? Just a guess.
I agree. You can actually see the Puma just behind the Gazelle for a brief moment at 6:30 so its likely the footage we are seeing and the footage he was seeing are not synced up.
@@marklewis3348 Ahh ok good eye I missed that!
Loved the video. As an aside, nice Omega Watch
Love these!
He underestimates the immaturity of marines, they would be saying the right stuff but every other word would be a swear
Not in a combat situation though, they maybe chatter humorously out of combat, but the discipline kicks in the moment they enter combat zone.
@@algalkin youre wrong bro. there are videos of marines in actual combat here on youtube and the discipline is far from perfect.
@@stayhungry1503 I think you're seeing things, or they are not in combat. Provide links please.
@@algalkin combat is not a gantlemans sport, I'm sure radioing command is different but in the heat of combat they're gonna use whatever language they want
I think you are actually agreeing with him. He was saying in real life the actual swearing would be worse and that the swearing in the movie was "probably a bit tame". But also that the communication would be more focused and not as immature in terms of arguing.
I was actually hoping In The Army Now would be included because it was based in desert warfare. And it’s my favorite army movie of all time (and what actually opened me up to the idea of joining).
That movie was totally badass! We need a water purification specialist to analyze that movie. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I thought I was the only one to ever watch it.. “kiss him”
Former Marine here, id just like to say, the chatter and language is completely accurate.
6:27 they did him dirty here. He is talking about the mocked up pumas which really *were* in Rambo III in place of Hinds, but they are *showing* an SA-341 Gazelle, or at least a very similar chopper in the Gazelle's family with modifications made to it to make it into more of a gunship. We don't know what these were supposed to stand in for but obviously they are also in the movie too
His comments on Bravo Two Zero show that he hasn't watched any of the scenes around that. Surprised he doesn't know the story given how infamous it is amongst the UK military, even if it's ridiculed a bit. They are being advanced on, they do peel back, there is no cover etc. The issue is the actual events set out by McNabb etc have long been questioned by UKSF.
I'm currently listening to Rusty Firmin's autobiography. Apparently he didn't know him very well but Andy McNab always came across as really self-centred, so that could explain the embellishments in Bravo Two Zero. I'm also reading Bravo Three Zero by Des Powell (ex-SAS) and Damien Lewis, which is about the only patrol of the three that succeeded. I recommend both
In fairness I get the impression he hasn't seen the whole film and they only showed him that short scene by itself, so I can fully understand why he said what he said. NB I've not watched it either and came to the same conclusion. Being caught out in the open like that is a massive problem, but not always unavoidable.
@@Preywinder It's a pretty good watch (it's on Amazon Prime) but McNab and Ryan were openly and fairly regularly called bill shutters by a lot of the other members of the regiment. The engagement may well have never happened.
The terrain, OTOH, really was that bad: rocky, flat desert, little to no cover, freezing nights.
Bravo One Zero took one look in situ and stayed on the chopper, RTB. If an SAS patrol, chomping at the bit and overly engineered for this exact type of job: in the desert (where the regiment first earned it's reputation), first allied ground forces in to the first hot war they've ever been active in (or likely ever will be) backs out at zero hour because it looks too dangerous .... it's probably because it's far, far too dangerous.
Bravo Two Zero: four captured, three dead, one border escapee on foot.
Bravo Three Zero, wisely, preferred to insert in decades old Land Rovers rather than trusting to chopper and boot leather.
Not SAS command's finest hour, tbh.
I've always wondered why no one had sunglasses in Jarhead.
he is doing it really really well!
Great video :)
11:42 if you are a veteran, I highly recommend jumping to 12:25 and skipping that segment.
It’s unfortunate they never used Kajaki… A family member of mine drove over a mine in Afghan, never lost limbs but was in a bad way. He told me that Kajaki was the closest thing to realism he’s ever seen in a war film.
A friend of mine at uni was in the medical corps reserves and he'd had regulars tell him it was the most realistic film they'd seen
Nobody's ever seen it, and that's a shame. It grossed like $35 000 worldwide.
I thought it was a good film absolutely brutal and underatted .Incredible heroism shown by all but especially the medic .
great speaker!!
Rambo doesn't need no body armor. He has plot armor!
Also, Rambo's basically a Super Hero. Every Rambo movie after First Blood is essentially a fantasy movie- or at least that's how I see all of them( AFTER First Blood). Stallone has even acknowledged how unrealistic the Rambo movies are.
@5:50 Having spent sometime in Africa, once a black guy from the squad was sent out on guard just with trousers and webbing as punishment, he came back in and we thought he was black until he took his webbing off, he was white under it lol, he said 'no jokes about black guys not getting sun burnt' a guy came in a slapped him on the shoulder, asking how was guard? I still remember the scream lol