Why 'Burning Sun' Still Haunts Korea
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- BBC's recent documentary into the 'Burning Sun' scandal reminds us that abuse of power in the world of celebrity and sex still haunts Korea. The two main culprits of this tale, Seungri of Big Bang and singer Jung Joon-young, recently angered the public because they appear to be returning to their old lives with impunity.
Has little changed because abusers still roam freely within Korean institutions? And are they as corruptible as ever? The recent scandal surrounding New Jeans creator Min Hee-jin reminds us how vulnerable civil society is to manipulators who use fame and greed to steal what's most precious from others.
0:00 Intro
2:20 Connection to HYBE?
3:30 Still seeing whistleblowers being labeled perpetrators
7:30 The main characters
9:30 The controversial whistleblower
14:00 Abuse of Power Era
16:00 Targeting victims who stood no chance
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This should not be forgotten, those girls did not get justice, sexual assault and rape is still seen as an opppsie rather than a serious crime.
There are still multiple women who have not press charges or pursued any sort of justice but can you really blame them? Look at what has happened to the girls who have come forward, what Justice did they get?
Because the police and higher ranking officials are involved. Also a lot of rich people are involved. Everything can be solved by money unfortunately.
Am I the only one who now is rethinking Goo Hara’s suicide? Did she commit suicide or was she murdered for exposing a powerful police officer?
@@user-vh1jk2dv8m my theory is that the police got to her and made her off herself, she's was one of the informant for burning sun scandal. She knows too much and the corrupted police are shameless.
@@user-vh1jk2dv8m It may have been suicide, maybe not. At the time, she was going through alot. Her ex boyfriend and the blackmailing, her mother coming back into the picture etc.
I watched the BBC documentary and it was disheartening to see that nothing really changed at the end. None of them get the punishments they deserved, the wealthies behind the scene get away without an ounce of responsiblity, the police corruption is swept under the rug quietly, none of the women get the justice, and the exact same things are still on going in other clubs and places.
Those kpop stars are definitely only sorry because they got caught and used as the scapegoats and faces of the scandal. They are still going to continue treating the women as they did before....I just hope they don't have anymore female fans to pick out their new victims from.
They do have fans.... They sadly do. So many bootlickers in celebrity fandoms all over the world, it's pretty sickening
So many girls and women still support Seungri even if the evidence is very clear and seeing how threatening he was towards that woman close to hitting her. He has been reported to the police twice for being violent towards one woman in Japan and one in Taiwan and how he choked them really violently during sex and being really rough on them. Somehow that just disappeared very conveniently and quickly after he returned to Korea. These crazy fans would still defend him if he did it to their sisters, mothers and probably to them as well.
@@MusiknirdAs a woman, I want to know what makes this bunch of women support rapists and pimps. I can’t understand why and how even when there’s evidence
The more you look at cases in SK, the justice system is really a sham.
They’re as slow as cotton candy towards male criminals r3pers but harsh towards female victims. Misogyny is real.
The way people were saying that Hybe paid BBC to have the docu released so that people's minds will be diverted from the Hybe-Ador fiasco, the mental gymnastics is astounding.. People need to be reminded that the Burning Sun is still very much happening everywhere in SK and that this will not go away until these offenders are punished properly..
Hybe doesn't have that kind of power. BBC is bristish. It is ruled by the royal family
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THEY DON'T HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH THIS THEY WOULDN'T TOUCH THIS WITH A 20 FOOT POLE
Someone else can use this stratigically to get KNetizens on her side because she played that woman powerless victimcard at the pressconference so she can twist this as reference argument the old men in business. Be aware!!!
The Royal family do not rule. The BBC. Tge British citizens pay licence fees for them.
Thank God this documentary came out when it did because the major players are now all out of jail and they think that they have some sort of right to come back into the public eye like they did nothing wrong. The sentences for pimping, drugging, illegally filming, gang raping, distributing gang grapes of multiple women should.come with sentences of 25 years+. This case is really not just about celebrity it's about the sheer disregard for sexual violence against women in South Korea. I meet women in my Canadian city all the time who come from Korea and they almost immediately all say that they left because they don't think Korea is a good place for women
They didn't follow the money far enough. I'm certain that the real people behind it will never be discovered.
Yes ✅️
They barely even wanted to go through JJY’s phone 😭
It was the forensic lab themselves who had to leak the information. Police was already willing to stop looking and close the case before anything even started all because they had a high status police officer backing them up, which shows how corrupt the entertainment and law industry really are.
Exactly. There should be more important people involve in this case, those vip clients at the club, I think people in politics-conglo-police etc people with powwer. Those names they were never mentioned, they also were using the women, they should also pay for it, and must like it Seungri its still in conection with them.
YES! Thanx U. Same way 'ol Watergate scandal was broken...follow the💰💰Interpol may have been able 2 get involved. Would've shone new light on this. Also why it was swept up 2 quickly. S. Korea can't control Interpol & other policing agencies.
Pretty sure there was a hella lot of money involved that the police officer identified was working for the president detail- a lot of political influence
This story really adjusted my perception of Korea...especially the nightlife scene....no country is perfect but its worse when countries pretend that their morals are higher than all.the filth they try to hide...the east might be more conservative but that's worse because it create monsters in the shadows...this story needs to be kept alive until there is true justice
HORRIFIC things happen everywhere around the world, especially to women, in broad day light, and far from any "nightlife scenes." It's not just a Korean "nightlife scene" problem. And you really think that it is better when those other foreign countries have no morals at all??? At least Korea still has some moral standards left, to try to look up to and strive to achieve, even if they are often times not meeting those standards when it comes to justice, especially for women and other more vulnerable groups.
@@Sugas_Girrno what you don't understand is in the West even though then low value or standard when it comes to moral their laws are very much working if this burning sun case happened in the US or Europe their sentence will be hard 5to 10 years maximum not 5 to 1 year that these guys got . The sad part is these women did not get justice ⚖️ very bad that make South Korea justice system very weak
Oh have you heard abput the NTH ROOMS? look it up. Happened in korea too
@@Sugas_Girrbut the level of shaming victims is higher in conservative countries. Yes women can be assaulted anywhere but how you handle it is the true test of morals. There will be bad people everywhere. But it's not about morals or anything it's about control and having a public image. So in private you can act one way but don't dare shame yourself and family. Just hide. True morality is being honest and then work on being better. You can't change things if everyone wants to pretend it doesn't exist. At least in america we know we ain't ish😂 I can prepare to deal with people here. What you see is what you get at times. I don't like hypocrites
@@sheilaankrah9440 Besides Epste*n and M*xwell, who were the heads of everything (that we know about), has there been EVEN ONE arrest, for any of the others (estimated at what? Somewhere between 12-200+, other suspects and associates, that were at least somehow involved with it or JE, if not directly a s.a. suspect in the case?
What about everything finally coming out about P. Diddy??? Him & a whole bunch of people in that circle, have been doing that same type of crap since literally the 1990's! Again, I haven't heard about any arrests or long jail sentences being dealt out to ANY of these monsters, despite it happening in such a wonderful western country, right?
Does Korea have a huge problem with a whole lot of things? Yes!!! For sure! Absolutely...just as the majority of other countries on the planet do, as well. So frankly, I'm sick of seeing everybody just trying to bash on Korea and talk trash about Koreans, while trying to say their country is SOOO MUCH BETTER and that justice is always sooo perfectly upheld there, because it most certainly is not true for the majority of other countries around the world, either.
I watched the documentary. I came away thinking how hard it must be to be a woman in SK. Those sentences were ridiculous and just showed how women are devalued. They deserved better. I hope the perpetrators are not able to go on as if this didn’t cost them anything because these women are paying a huge cost.
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Its probably some dark areas are exist in Korea, but that doesn't mean whole society is that way. Just like France is one of the most desirable country to live, but whole a lot of the most corruptive beyond anyone's imagination underground activities going on in the big city. But then again, such crime ridden areas are literally everywhere in major cosmopolitan cities all over the world. If someone think this happens only in Korea, it only proves how naive they are. The worst is plenty out there. I can give you just one example, Sean Diddy Combs, who was raided by FBI recently, has been sex trafficking, drug trafficking, minor sodomi, sexual grooming, murders for minimum last 4 decades with all the famous and powerful people's participation and supports, but still not arrested. All those seemingly glamorous people are suspected to be participants in those activities, so this Korean incident is just a drop in a bucket compare to size and intensity of the crime, compare to those. Unfortunately, it's everywhere there are, money, fame and power. But, regular working people will never be exposed to those severe environment unless someone look for, fame and money desperately.
@@swift9112 OMG!!! I literally just responded (I included below) about the exact same thing thing to somebody else!!! 😲🤭 Yeah, I totally agree with you, too! With just one exception, though... "Normal," everyday, regular people get v*ctimized by these types of predators ALL the time, too... It is not strictly for people that are just chasing fame or money, etc. You never know what circumstances will bring a v*ctim into the sight of a predator, but that's when all of them suddenly become equal opportunists and non-discriminatory.
Besides Epste*n and M*xwell, who were the heads of everything (that we know about), has there been EVEN ONE arrest, for any of the others (estimated at what? Somewhere between 12-200+, other suspects and associates, that were at least somehow involved with it or JE, if not directly a s.a. suspect in the case?
What about everything finally coming out about P. Diddy??? Him & a whole bunch of people in that circle, have been doing that same type of crap since literally the 1990's! Again, I haven't heard about any arrests or long jail sentences being dealt out to ANY of these monsters, despite it happening in such a wonderful western country, right?
Does Korea have a huge problem with a whole lot of things? Yes!!! For sure! Absolutely...just as the majority of other countries on the planet do, as well. So frankly, I'm sick of seeing everybody just trying to bash on Korea and talk trash about Koreans, while trying to say their country is SOOO MUCH BETTER and that justice is always sooo perfectly upheld there, because it most certainly is not true for the majority of other countries around the world, either.
"Besides Epste*n and M*xwell, who were the heads of everything (that we know about), has there been EVEN ONE arrest, for any of the others (estimated at what? Somewhere between 12-200+, other suspects and associates, that were at least somehow involved with it or JE, if not directly a s.a. suspect in the case?
What about everything finally coming out about P. Diddy??? Him & a whole bunch of people in that circle, have been doing that same type of crap since literally the 1990's! Again, I haven't heard about any arrests or long jail sentences being dealt out to ANY of these monsters, despite it happening in such a wonderful western country, right?
Does Korea have a huge problem with a whole lot of things? Yes!!! For sure! Absolutely...just as the majority of other countries on the planet do, as well. So frankly, I'm sick of seeing everybody just trying to bash on Korea and talk trash about Koreans, while trying to say their country is SOOO MUCH BETTER and that justice is always sooo perfectly upheld there, because it most certainly is not true for the majority of other countries around the world, either."
@@swift9112 OMG!!! I literally just responded (I included below) about the exact same thing thing to somebody else!!! 😲🤭 Yeah, I totally agree with you, too!!! 😉 With just one exception, though... "Normal," everyday, regular people get v*ctimized by these types of predators ALL the time, too... It is not strictly for people that are just chasing fame or money, etc. You never know what circumstances will bring a v*ctim into the sight of a predator, but that's when all of them suddenly become equal opportunists and non-discriminatory. 😓
"Besides Epste*n and M*xwell, who were the heads of everything (that we know about), has there been EVEN ONE arrest, for any of the others (estimated at what? Somewhere between 12-200+, other suspects and associates, that were at least somehow involved with it or JE, if not directly a s.a. suspect in the case?
What about everything finally coming out about P. Diddy??? Him & a whole bunch of people in that circle, have been doing that same type of crap since literally the 1990's! Again, I haven't heard about any arrests or long jail sentences being dealt out to ANY of these monsters, despite it happening in such a wonderful western country, right?
Does Korea have a huge problem with a whole lot of things? Yes!!! For sure! Absolutely...just as the majority of other countries on the planet do, as well. So frankly, I'm sick of seeing everybody just trying to bash on Korea and talk trash about Koreans, while trying to say their country is SOOO MUCH BETTER and that justice is always sooo perfectly upheld there, because it most certainly is not true for the majority of other countries around the world, either."
@@swift9112 OMG!!! I literally just responded (I included below) about the exact same thing thing to somebody else!!! 😲🤭 Yeah, I totally agree with you, too!!! 😉 With just one exception, though... "Normal," everyday, regular people do get v*ct*m*zed by these types of predators ALL the time, too... It is not strictly for people that are just chasing fame or money, etc. You never know what circumstances will bring a v*ct*m into the sight of a predator, but that's when all of them suddenly become equal opportunists and non-discriminatory. 😓
when I read that Hybe supposedly paid BBC, I had to laugh. Guys, there are more things happening in SK at the same time. In fact, I would specifically say that this HYBE-ADOR story is completely unimportant in comparison. The Burning Sun scandal happens every day in SK, in every club and it's politicians and police looking the other way. Not only because they think women are inferior but also because corruption plays a very big role. Of course this also includes kpop but kpop, as I said, topics like HYBE/ADOR are a minor issue when it comes to rape or general misogyny because it happens every day and everywhere. It's up to us men to do something about it. I would even take a machete and solve the problem differently like an evil ninja... but unfortunately then I wake up and have to get ready for work.
Yes, I'm an emphatic man and it makes me very angry about men who thinks, women are only garbage for them.
Thank you for bringing this up.
the worst part is that the police and higherups are on their side and women are defenceless and blamed for everything, there is no one from the justice system to be on their side, the police commander or whatever he is was just acquitted and he actually worked in the blue house... it goes so deep in the state it's so disturbing
People who are saying that this documentary is a Hybe’s attempt to switch the narrative and draw attention from them and bts to smth else are so delusional and dumb like do they have really think that creating a documentary of this scale takes about a couple of weeks? Not to mention that it’s not some baseless rumours (unlike what they were doing to bts) to create buzz around other topic but an important matter that should be discussed as often as possible
Plus hybe doesnt have that kind of power.
They are not delusional but they are dumb to follow someone’s direction for I believe these are paid “ barking dogs” ! When you know you go down, you will grab anything , literally anything to hold on to and that’s what she does…. Very dirty !
The documentary was done with such fragile care and respect to victims pain and their personalities. I really admire the thoroughness of this job , just imagine how hard it was ! And yes, we are still talking about this because it’s still actual, it’s still happening
The BBC is known for doing in depth research their studies take months and months of investigations. It why some BBC reporters have been killed while working on cases. They are world wide renowned Reporters who employ some of the best investigators in the business. They don't just turn up with a camera and make things up they are real journalist who investigate. They are the one's on the front line in conflicts getting shot at all over the world.
@@nicoleloss7987If they had, MHJ would be underground already 😂
Haunts it? Doubt that very much. Seungri was out of jail of jail in two years. 🙄🙄🙄
Actually, I think it was a day short of 18 months... 😓
And bro went straight back to partying like he didn’t even serve any real sentence. So you can tell prison did absolutely nothing to him.
If anything, he probably got preferential treatment in Jail because corruption runs deep in any country where someone rich and famous ends up in prison.
They’re easily able to grease the hands of police officers and security guards with loose morals and even looser integrity.
bruh i was crying that he actually dared to host again shows and party other countries then used bigbang name "I will bring Gdragon next time here" like how could he be shameless
It is disappointing that Big Bang fans are so blind that they were supporting Seungri in jail and after release. People still believe he was framed and totally innocent. He OWNED the club where these things were happening to women. Raped in the bathroom, GHB and dragged to a hotel room, molka, etc. It wouldn't be a complete shock if a company like YG sent investors to the club knowing what was going on.
@@ivanatrip4504Not all of Bigbang fans continue to support him.
I watched the documentary and did not realize most of the guys were already out of jail.
I think it’s time to lock the doors.
The whole situation is dystopian for women, I can’t believe the main players got such light sentences, the should have locked the door on them and thrown away the key. I have watched the documentary and wept for Goo Ara. Anyone who thinks that Hybe would have any say in what the BBC has chosen to produce is delusional.
The fact that these men still have fans, especially Seungri who has delulu fans who still to this day believe all this was happening at his club but somehow he had no idea or wasn’t really involved in any of it and was an innocent by-stander. But broski was literally the mastermind behind everything.
He was the one providing access to women and substance for all these creeps and using these women gratuitously like merchandise to further his business career and enrich himself.
I watched the BBC Burning Sun documentary and it brought back memories of me being drugged in my food by three guys at a Mediterranean restaurant. Fortunately, a gf was with me and she wasn't drugged. But my GF and a waiter had to stop the three guys from trying their best to take me home "to make sure I was okay." I could've suffered the same fate as the Burning Sun young women and I live in America. It's only by the grace of the heavens that I didn't become a sexual assault victim.
Anyone who thinks HYBE worked with the BBC to release this docu as a distraction from Min Hee Jin needs to see a psychiatrist. Why would a corporation that's representing such a wholesome group as BTS want to EVER have anything to do with something as GROSS AND VILE as Burning Sun? Make it make sense, people.
Glad you survived that ordeal hun💜🙏 . The delusional psychos think that Hybe is so powerful that they convinced the BBC to leak the BBC documentary, which they likely have been working on for over a year, to distract from its own corporate in-fighting. It's bloody insanity!!! The spanish speaking Seungri defenders are the most unhinged. They want to blame anyone but their pimp and raping oppas.
Damn bless the waiter and your gf, being poison by food is a nutcase. How do they even put it in your food 😵💫
@@jellyfishbeans94thank you for the kind words. I literally remember NOTHING of what happened to me . I got all my info the next day from my gf who told me the entire story. That's why it hit me hard when the Burning Sun victims said they couldn't remember anything or very little of what the men did to them. I know what they experienced. It had to be a nightmare for those who came forward with what little they could recall of being drugged and were then doubted/shamed by the Korean public.
Women are treated like this all over the world. Reminds me of the Brock Turner case in California. Brock Turner was caught raping a women he drugged and only got 6-months in prison. The judge actually said Brock Turner’s life could be ruined with a jail sentence. California has since made using a date rape drug and raping someone only a misdemeanor. Not one thought to the victim.
Well, if you live in Calif, you should know Sean Diddy Combs' story and he has been well protected so far by the law enforcement. I'm still waiting for justice to be served sooner than later. He is still free, though. We have Epstein's case, too. Compare to those cases, S Korean issue seems minor, frankly. And these kinds of crimes are everywhere. Those are not just exposed yet and maybe never will be.
Oh my Lord that is disgusting.
@@swift9112 💯💯💯💯💯
Omg people are saying Hybe funded this? It takes a long time to make a documentary like this. It would have started LONG before the MHJ circus.
The people trying to divert attention to Hybe are the same people supporting pimps and rapists even after they are convicted with ample evidence. They are absolutely unhinged.
I watched the BBC documentary, only saw one other video talking about this and I found out who the celebs were beside Seungri, also about Goo Hara's involvement being helpful in bring them down - It was such a shame that the reporter believed Goo Hara when she said she was okay and being strong, it was just not true and she ended up self exiting, can\t imagine how that report feels now.
Unfortunately Seungri and the corrupt Cop who covered up got away with no punishment ( cop exonerated of all charges ) or very little ( Seungri only 18 mo.) What was really sad was the one guy saying how nothing has changed, that it's actually gotten worse. I would definitely not go to a nightclub in Korea.
Go Ha-ra was killed no self inflicted suicide.
Remember, what do Christmas lights and Jeffrey Epstein have in common??
They don’t hang themselves.
Don’t be hard on the reporter, being in the position of trying to help someone who wants to off themselves is hard. She could barely recognize there was something wrong with her. She did her best, nobody thought she was going to do that.
@@rftg1793 How hard can reading simple sentences be? OP wasn't hard on the reporter at all. All they did was sympathize.
@@raccoonchild well she said ''such a shame that the reporter believed Goo Hara when she said she was okay'' maybe it was my bad interpretation but it sounded hard to me my bad if I was wrong tho
@@rftg1793 Saying something is a shame is a way of expressing sympathy, like when something that happened is sad or a waste, went against hopes, etc
It's said this thing is still going on, and nothing has changed. Hopefully, this report will help clean the environment
Yeah the only thing that South Korea seems to respond to is when they are embarrassed in the international arena for their lack of Civility in some areas
The fact that everyone wants put bts in every shit happens in korea but at the same time denying that bts is superstars is funny
Rape and sexual assault are all about violence, dominance and control. Victims are powerless and the way they preyed on powerless and clueless victims and treating it as a game is beyond disgusting.
As for MHJ case, she talked about gross mistreatments that she and newjeans girls have endured and we have yet to see the any facts of that. I’m always wary of anyone who called for a pity party. Just show us the facts (if there’s any).
Translating the Korean comments on the Korean documentary is eye-opening
The more you dig the more you discover
I thought the documentary was well done. But I wish it was just part one of a bigger dive into the position of women in South Korea, give more context around sentencing in Korea and what it says about societal values, and I wish it didn’t have a “dark side of K-pop vibe” because this isn’t just happening in the music industry. Plus don’t call the internet trolls do ONG people “fans” we don’t really know that. There are people who jump on any opportunity to dox who have no other relationship to the people.
Just watched another CZcamsr talk about this Burning Sun scandal and specifically mentioned Seungri. Apparently, a couple of women posted in Instagram a picture of a pool while each was on vacation in Bali. They hung out within the same circle of friend groups and started to text each other. Come to find out they both were invited to Bali (at different times) to date the same guy…Seungri. Apparently this guy, who was only in prison for 1.5 years for what basically looks like sex trafficking (let’s call it what it is) and who ruined the lives of many women, is starting to date multiple women again and “wine and dine” them..Glad the BBC brought this back to light because one of these perpetrators has left South Korea and is now doing public appearances/events in other countries. The people in those countries deserve to know the dark past of Seungri and others who were a part of and participated in the Burning Sun scandal and be aware of them. And God forbid, one of these guys try to start another sex trafficking ring in another country…
At this point, any woman who still continues to associate with Seungri is no longer a victim. His dirty deeds are publically available and more than likely well known in parts of Asia where he operates.
Indo shd make him a persona non grata.
I saw it a week ago and I couldn't believe all the crazy evil I felt like it was a movie like this wasn't real but it really was disgusting but it's also very sad because people actually committed suicide
I watched Beastie Boys, a Korean movie my Korean friend told me to watch. That was Burning Sun, except the guys worked as hosts.
Unfortunately in your and neighbor ing country have these entertainment rooms, which are like sanctioning prostitution and sexual asult. It is unacceptable and wrong .
This crime really shows us that we don't know these idols and we should never forget this crime! These poor girls deserve justice and i hope and pray that they may heal
Shame Korea was not the one that took initiative to make a documentary like this.
The fact that he actually wants to pick up his career again like nothing ever happened. I don’t think so!
Also saw the documentary and totally agreed with your statements.
I watched Stephanie Soo do coverage on this. It is crazy!
To this day I follow outraged by injustice, because Sungri, Jonghoon, Jung, and many more like such vips from other countries who participated, deserved much heavier penalties. Even had a case at the time of the pandemic, where two boys stole chickens to feed their family, and were arrested with the sentence of 10 to 20 years each, already the criminals of Sengri and cronies are loose having parties, so you ask: which one The most serious offense? Absurded this, the law in Korea is garbage. It is sad to remember that Hara was one of the great reasons why this case could be demystified, it's all to me. Hara will always be a queen in our hearts and she deserved better, the result of the judgment is revolting, the hope is that there is more awareness and that people understand the gravity of what happened ... I feel that women almost have no validity in culture Korean by the way, I feel that the woman has no value anywhere ... I sincerely hope that after the exposure in the documentary of the BBC, this case is reopened and do justice.🤮😡😡
That is insane! 10-20 years to steal a chicken just to eat.
They didn’t have money to pay off the police or hire the best lawyers.
I thought the documentary was excellent. It explained very well what had been going on. The revelation of Goo Hara’s role in exposing what these young men had been doing was also new to me. Poor girl. Her boyfriend did the same to her. Filmed her without consent then threatened to expose her. Terrible. The whole drugging of regular girls, SA them and filming it, is completely beyond lawful or consensual behavior, it’s a crime. The illegal filming is called molka, right? The documentary ends by saying that in nightclubs in South Korea molka is still going on and girls are still being given the date rape drugs like GHB. I think it’s a good warning for young girls going to nightclubs in Gangnam even today!
The real shame is...the Big ones behind the scenes that started this, never were revealed to the public.
You always have a front person that brings the guys in, tells them " Do what you want here, as long as you spend your money and say the place is good or bring your friends , you can do whatever you want "
That YG guy I believe I'd who started it and if you could dig even deeper with MHJ , you'll find a person from another Kpop Company that talked her into doing this, someone that knows about her crazy self and set her up or talked her up to thinking she could do this.
All the mistakes she has really made that are getting her caught show that she isn't likely to have come up with this on her own.
There is a Bigger person behind her I would bet.
Also, I would have to say that I taught better of the Asian cultures. But every culture has its good and bad points. 😊
Now someone is using his thinking cap! MHJ circus is just a front! You are right! Another Kpop company who can't admit that Hybe and Bang Si Hyuk is making it big internationally. No way! In this other company's mind. We will show them . We will show them who we are.... it is not MHJ. It is SOMETHING OR SOMEONE ELSE!. MHJ IS A RUSE ONLY. DIG! DIG! DIG!. FOLLOW THE MONEY...
When most man see women are not human. And when some woman support this point of view whatever their motivation is. It is their culture. It cannot change in the short time. They should changed by themself. Every act to change the culture need cost. Maybe their jobs, their social live, even their soul.
I remember watching your interesting videos on burning sun and this BBC documentary explained in great detail from the perspective two main reporters. I feel that justice was not appropriately served! Those artist involved didn't receive enough jail time and the authorities didn't get any time! Where's the justice? Sadly, at the end of the documentary it was stated that, it's still happening. How awful! Also, I don't see what Hybe would gain by being involved with this chronicle.
Yes we did see it friend!! So glad they're putting pressure / highlight on their evil actions.
I also so appreciate the highlight on the journalist heroines in this case didnt even know the impact they had & how far they had to go
Yea this still needs to be talked about. In grad school my friend from Korea tell me that kdramas are pure fantasy. Make believe. They’re Cinderella stories, as he puts it. He told me to watch a film called Beastie Boys. I watched it. It’s about the Korean club scene and how little has changed. Men are still violent towards women. And they get away with hurting women. They don’t face any time. They walk out scot free. Burning Sun was more or less the plot of that movie. My friend was not lying.
Yes I did saw the bbc documentary I’m glad they shed the light 💡
Thank you so very much for your excellent analysis of major issues.
And I just love your humor and satire. Your energy and humor has me breaking out laughing!
Good job !😊😊😊
Well, welcome to our lives. If you as a woman go to a club, you absolutely have to be aware that you can be drugged and SA 'd. "Working girls" are in no way different. We can all be made victims so very easily and have to be aware all the time and it suuuuucks.
As much as it sucks that even if the perpetrators are caught and found guilty, they get a slap on the wrist and everything is a okay again. While those women will suffer for a livetime. Not. Fair!
To blame Hybe for every little thing that go wrong is sickening. Why dont they build another phyco hospital for all these weirdos. Some people's logic and thoughts about Hybe is getting scary for real. When you here all the bs in Korea i truely realize i love my country 🇿🇦
I understand that some of these guys have done their time, but how dare they even think to get back their fame & public career after how they treated those women?
What was interesting was hearing from club workers how this behavior is still going on in clubs and that nothing much has changed. It’s just moved places.
Also, love seeing you with a healthy glow & tanned, you look healthy. Is skin whitening on the outs in Korea?
Done their time? What 2 years?
@@Raven-y5j that’s their legal system, koreas law is set up for the elite. So by koreas legal system yes he’s done his time, if he was a poor guy he would have got more time but still less for being a male of working age. Korea is very lenient towards male crimes and even more lenient towards elite males.
Unless the korean fight for a better system, this is what they have.
The fact they have fans who still defend them is disgusting and in humane!! Just disappointed how the case was easily dismissed with 3 year sentence. Those people like seungri and others are still enjoying their life as nothing happend is disgusting!!
I’d never go to a club in Korea.
I’ve never been to a club ✌️I will in future but def not SK clubs.
HOLD ON....are there no civil cases in korea??? Cause here the victims can sue civilly like cassie did with diddy. I guess thats not a thing in SK??? WOW. PLEASEEEEDO A VIDEO ON THE NTH ROOMS
Yeah, but it took almost 30 years. I wouldn't call it it better.
Cassie Ventura’s case was different. Sean Coombs, aka Puff Daddy, P Diddy is in the cross hairs of two companies that are being sued by him.
Diageo PLC, and UMC or Universal Music Groups chairman Lucien Griange.
P Diddy claims racism in these lawsuits. He basically shot himself in the mouth, foot, and head.
Min Heejin of Adore is also playing fire with her secret hedge fund investor who stood to make billions from HYBE’s fall from grace.
All Diddys previous deeds are being outed now in order to get Diddy, Jay Z, Beyoncé, and others in the Media Entertainment to quit playing discrimination games against their elite masters.
This is where people like Lou Taylor, Kris Jenner, Kim Kardashian all come out as “handlers“ for the bigger executives in the media industry.
Oligarchs, weapons arm dealer, politician, or lawyer, it’s all still based of Marc Anthony Cleopatra’s sad fates during the Roman Empire. You play with fire, you get burned.
You see, everything is not as it seems when the light are turned on.
Jay Z’s pregnant, half Korean half black mistress, Catherine “Coreana“ White mysterious head injury death, was hidden with Beyoncé and Diddys knowledge.
The World of Entertainment is based on control and manipulation.
@angloedu5499 I don't mean Cassie specifically but civil cases do not take 30 years. You can lose in the criminal courts and still win a judgement. Most civil cases take an average of 2 yrs. So the burning sun defendents barely got anytime but here civilly they could have sued for damages and bankrupted those idiots!! I have a entire youtube channel and I family in the industry currently so yes I know things happen in the industry but after a criminal case and a guilty verdict a person can sue for monetarily then settle out of court. At least the victims could have made sure that the defendants aren't in Thailand living their best life on the money they have. Oj Simpson got away with murder but his assets were tied up in civil cases for decades!!
@@coleslow5519 who took 30 yrs??
@@Theinfamouskiki411 You didn't even know what's going on with p diddy, but acted like you know something. Geez, these people.
I kinda battling to believe about how safe SK is as what they are saying nowadays vs. looking back at this Burning Sun documentary which is kinda scary ... also, what if tourists goes to clubs n unable to speak d language n u r targetted by people like d ones in that club? i cant imagine...
This happens in nearly every country around the world... You can easily look up high profile cases like this, and even much worse in Greece and Australia (just off the top of my head), and honestly this happens all the time in America, although most aren't as an organized ring like this, but just individuals or smaller groups. Even at top US universities, there have been several cases like this of gang-____ and videos, etc.
I am curious, does SK have that weak of a justice system? There has to be some sort of accountability. I am sure there's countless of women that haven't come forward. Are women so undervalued? 😢
encore: excellent analysis, right on the money!
Hello 👋... Right on your connection between both issues... I still can believe the way the Korean citizens believe her....is this a national trail. .. I'm stunned by the way she is playing them .😮 So sad.
We have to bring up that sexism is a big factor in why burning sun went the way it did and this is going a different way. And weren’t they sharing revenge porn in the chats? That’s not antics to me
Odd that he named his club Burning Sun after the Ugaritic (ancient Syrian) god of destruction. I looked it up.
What is striking to me, is that I really don't understand Korean way of thinking. Things like emotional manipulation, status powerplays and scheming/corruption is out of my mental grasp. I really don't understand where/why/how this came to be and how this is even going strong like this. It's mind-blowing. I can't even imagine how it must be to overthink every step in socializing. To me what you see is what you get, dry approach where respect and responsibility is very consequently important thats my thing. Anyone who can explain this. (if it helps I'm very Swedish) Example Once I saw a corrupt korean woman politician faint infront of the cameras. It was obviously manipulative but noone called it out. I was so surprised.
Its due to corruption and forces unseen.
Even P Diddy and Jay Z have gotten away with huge crimes and are now being questioned by the media.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunaks family control in Infosys Llc is also gathering attention. Infosys is the Computer Databrokers of India servicing and supposedly working with databases for MI6, Interpol, Mossad, and Intelligence Agencies in Sweden, Canada, Australia, Denmark, and Luxembourg.
Nothing is really ever clear, just small bits and pieces given or gathered.
This is not new, nor an exclusively Korean thing, at all... It's been going on for thousands of years, all over the world. Look at Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, the Borgias, the ancient Roman senate, most all of the royal dynasties & courts, most every large political institution, & even the corrupt side of the large religious institutions throughout millennia... For as long as there has been power and money/riches, there has been manipulation, greed, power plays, scheming, and corruption. It's not just a "Korean way of thinking."
This is not new, nor an exclusively Korean thing, at all... It's been going on for thousands of years, all over the world. Look at Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, the Borgias, the ancient Roman senate, most all of the royal dynasties & courts, most every large political institution, & even the corrupt side of the large religious institutions throughout millennia... For as long as there has been power and money/riches, there has been manipulation, greed, power plays, scheming, and corruption. It's not just a "Korean way of thinking."
This is not new, nor an exclusively Korean thing, at all...
It's been going on for thousands of years, all over the world. Look at Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, the Borgias, the ancient Roman senate, most all of the royal dynasties & courts, most every large political institution, & even the corrupt side of the large religious institutions throughout millennia... For as long as there has been power and money/riches, there has been manipulation, greed, power plays, scheming, and corruption. It's not just a "Korean way of thinking."
I hate to say this but this corruption, scheming, etc happens in all counties, even yours.
The fact that some are saying that Hybe paid the BBC to air this documentary to take the attention away from the Hybe/Ador situation is laughable, however why are those people trying to take away ftom the girls in the Burning Sun situation all the trauma they suffered by saying that is the reason it was on tb. Honestly some people really need to take a good look at themselves in the mirror then consider seeing a mental health professional
You can't 'hire' BBC reporters or the BBC for that matter it would go against their Charter as they are our National TV .
It is small thing, but the date range of this was 2018-19, not 2015-16.
I think he meant when the events/text happened, not when it was investigated/known by the public.
Seungri is rather active in HK, Malaysia and Thailand currently. The locals are educating others to boycott him. Even Jacky Heung (son of HK / China entertainment mogul) warned Seungri not cause issues in HK with the opening of his new disco / entertainment center.
The fact that they all free...
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I need cultural context and no one really explaining. In the atates filming you and your partner secretly and passing it around to your buddies can be criminal but not that much weight. Drugging and rape then filming is huge. Ive watched 3 specials but they didnt go into the detail's. Also if the victims were drugged or raped a.d filmed and people watched it not knowing they were being assaulted or filmed without theur consent then its not a crime
Burning sun case is as big as it is because it involves many well-known people. There's much worse case that doesn't get as much audience. I felt like these idols were used as scrapgoat for the powerful government, afterall the club cater towards powerful VIP. Those VIP assaulted and r*pe these girls, but at the end, none of them were mentioned. The judge for the case is the "current" president! Like for real! The weak sentences were created to benefit these kinds of people. In case they get caught, they will only get a light sentence. 😅 it will never stop, no one is scare of the law, its so weak!
Why still haunts korea? Let’s see..the perpetrators imprisoned only for couple of years..and currently they already out in public..one of them still partying..living in Bali and open other clubs just like burning sun in Korea and other countries like hongkong in different disguise..while the victims still living in trauma…
I was pllanning a trip to SK thinking it was safer than the US but apparently not
The punishments are so light!😢
people who do not retaliate are good people, people who prey on kind and unsuspecting people are Evil people now I understand why HYBE got into this situation they are too unsuspecting..
There's no way YG did not know this since he is one of their TOP money-makers. They just let him be? They might not know specifics, but they know he is been doing something sketchy, that he has connections, and the chances of him that he will be able to get out of this if they get caught is highly possible. There are still a lot of fans who believe he didn't do sh*t.
I can't agree on that. Agency is not their parents. Maybe until they grow up to be a full blown adults. Seungri's band members didn't even know what was going on except Seungri's behavior was always deceptive and dubious. How the agency would know the details unless he spills tea? Seungri is not a dumb to go around expose himself what kind of criminal he is. Thus, I don't think your assumption is accurate.
I think it is high time hybe started to put people in their place the moment they insert their groups in every mess cos it will get attention
Consent is the word you were looking for 18:46
Agreed on both of the points you're struggling to make and worrying will be misinterpreted. Whistleblower guy was being a jerk, but every woman who's ever been to a club has encountered annoying grope-y guy. Annoying grope-y guy is an irritant, he makes other people's night out less fun, but drug random patrons in order to offer them up to other, richer patrons to rape for money/influence guy is on a whole other level. If both get sentenced to jail time they should be receiving very different sentences. And in terms of why the second group targeted ordinary female patrons when they could just as easily have hired prostitutes, it's a power thing. A really virulent misogynist finds the idea that there are some women who they don't have access to fundamentally offensive. Prostitutes represent a lower value target to them precisely because they are more accessible. It's about inflicting punishment on women as a group, imo, and asserting power over us. Which is why the men involved in that, including Seungri, should have been given the longest sentences possible, because they won't have changed and will carry on trying to harm the women around them. In fact they may be even more vicious now, because they'll see the fact that they were punished at all as unfair.
My opinions about K-pop industries mostly depends on the women situations in their environments who live in it’s, mostly women are scar’s, frightening, scared for longer lives and lifetimes in women need help with talking about all whole things including similar stuff that happened, they’re actually totally talking what happened inside of situations of within Burning Sun incident in own experience it. Challenging finding women who witnessed in environments of situations, it’s actually really best ways getting information.
Also there no trust with both law enforcement or police, including can someone in can swept away from everything else including in fields, everything in environments within society is actually already gone in there, South Koreans don’t trust anyone on more of industries and environments too.
The BBC have Reporters and offices in most countries on the planet.
Yes, I just saw it.
Infuriating
I think MHJ is playing all cards she can play in hand to work out what she wants... she is very conniving and manipulative... and though "Burning Sun" scandal may have mellowed down but I think the problem still exists till law does not change for such perpetrators
I couldn't come to myself
Koreja, kaj bo še umazanega prišlo na dan!
Can’t believe one of the men think he can come back into the music industry who is going to trust him alone in a room with women lol I mean none of those men should be aloud anywhere
So this is just you rambling on and on, entirely speculative, adding nothing to the overall well of factual information surrounding the Burning Sun "scandal." I guess this works for people who just want to feel outraged rather than learn more about what did or did not happen, but it doesn't work for me.
It’s been 5 years GTFO. People already knew what happened. Go to the documentary to learn then
I can't understand how they let these people to go to foreign countries where they might do the same or worst sh..
Tip: You can never "prepare" for sexual abuse and the aftermath.
Falling for TRICKS is definitely the fault of the MEDIA for the dissemination of rumors.
Waiting on a full expose on the Itaewon crowd crush and the Sewol Ferry disaster.
I find it so disheartening that widespread police incompetence/cover-ups seem to be the norm in South Korea. Justice seems so far out of reach for many citizens.
This is a really awful incident and the sentences given look really minimal by International standards. Not a good look for SK.
That's why I dont stan Boygroups or cuz most of them have bad vibes...😩 I stan Newjeans and blackpink Only
Some years ago, 60 Minutes did a story on an American girl who became a hostess. Long story short, the bar owner murdered her. Her poor parents who were in the documentary were devastated. The father wanted to take revenge on the king pin murderer. I am wondering if the incident could have been related to Burning Sun? An early warning of what was to come?
take that all you kpop fanatics....the guys are crazy....ur kookis and oppas are not what you think they are....😂😂😂😂
What is wrong with you??? Many of the victims in these cases were non even necessarily "K-pop" fans, and even if they were, does that make it ok to be violated, attacked, and assaulted like this??? And then to be laughed at and made fun of by something like you???
You should be ashamed of yourself and your absolutely disgusting behavior and comments.
What is wrong with you??? Many of the victims in these cases were not even necessarily "K-pop" fans, and even if they were, does that make it ok to be violated, attacked, and assaulted like this??? And then to be laughed at and made fun of by something like you???
You should be ashamed of yourself, and your absolutely disgusting behavior and comments.
What is wrong with you??? Many of the victims in these cases were not even necessarily "K-pop" fans, and even if they were, does that make it ok to be v*olated, att*cked, and as*aulted like this??? And then to be laughed at and made fun of by something like you???
You should be ashamed of yourself, and your absolutely disgusting behavior and comments.
What is wrong with you???
@@Sugas_Girr i am not wrong....if uou watch the documentary,this has just gotten worse...so all ur male idols u r thirsting over is not who you think they are....thats all🙏
They’re just blaming everything on Hybe nowadays in your country. Did they have something to do with Capones disappearance?
Oh the weather is bad today. lets blame it on Hybe. LOL
This goes to say that MHJ wanted to destroy Hybe bc MHJ witnessed this kind of culture coz she is in d mgt. of the "used to be Big 3 Music Entertainment companies"...For years they probably got away from doing these actions. They cant accept they lost to Hybe who used to be d smallest garage origin company named Big Hit Ent. Who has proven their worth, rose to riches n wanted to change the culture of Music KPop.
Ok gotcha.. so where is pdiddy?
What is this about..hybe?
No, a s*x scandal involving celebrities.
He was just mentioning the MHJ situation that is currently going on where she has been manipulating the public to get their sympathy vote. And he also cleared the fact that Hybe did not fund the BBC documentary .. not sure why people even thought that.
Its basically telling how korean medias protect the criminals and criticize the good ones. Because currently korean medias keep sided with MHJ and bashing HYBE without any solid evidence.
There isn’t a connection, MJH jumped on the BBC release to try to drag Hybe into it
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HYBE is the custodian of the WOKE Narratives that BLACKROCK promotes via ESG.