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The CRAZIEST BROADCASTING CONTROVERSY of the 2011 NFL Season | Broncos @ Vikings (2011)
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- For more than 40 years, any time an AFC team is on the road, the game is televised by CBS, and any time an NFC team is on the road, the game is televised by FOX. However, in week 13 of the 2011 season, during a battle in Minnesota between the Denver Broncos and the Minnesota Vikings, the game was televised by FOX, marking an unprecedented moment in NFL broadcasting history. This is the full story behind that
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I will never forget the double take that I did when I saw an AFC road game on Fox. It seems like no big deal now but at the time you get used to certain things particularly with NFL broadcasts.
I also remember doing a bunch of Google searches and only getting surface level answers. This really clears up a decade plus long of mystery for me.
Thanks so much for the awesome content!
At the time, Tim Tebow was the most famous white Bronco since O.J.'s car.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Too soon, or too late?
Either way, that was out of pocket, but fucking hilarious
You did not just go there
Picture of Norm MacDonald at the Weekend Update desk
Don't disrespect Ed McCaffrey that way
In the 2021 NFL Playoff seeing the 49ers at Cowboys on CBS and Steelers at Chiefs on NBC is like some how gone back to the 1980's again
@@matthewdaley746absolutely nobody thought that the Steelers would make the SB, lead on the Chiefs or no. Including the Steelers themselves.
I remember this. As a Broncos fan, I never cared for the Fox broadcasts and complained every Broncos home game against the NFC. So I complained I had to watch 3 that year.
I was the same way with CBS as a Packers fan.
Now, it doesn’t matter anymore.
I'm so happy this happened. Without Colts/Patriots being flexed out, we don't have the NFL TV environment we have as of 2023. That flex along with the lack of attractive options on CBS to flex into SNF and FOX not wanting to showcase the important Falcons/Texans game led to the first cross-flex before that term was even uttered. I love that all games are free agents now. I had been wanting those rigid TV designations to go away for years.
I just wish they'd let you get a pick your own streaming service. Let me just choose the games I want to see, not charge me half an arm for the entire season.
Cross-flexing I think would have eventually happened anyway. The NFL knew we were entering a new era and if they wanted more money they would have had to allow it.
@@WaltGekko At least the flex that put Denver/Minnesota on FOX gave the league the impetus to do it and lead us to an era where all of the games in the Sunday afternoon pool are free agents, making cross-flexing as we knew it a thing of the past.
@@marcus813 No more "AFC on CBS" or "NFC on FOX"
And this game was the reason why in 2014, games began to be crossflexed.
That and KC/DEN in 2013, which would have been stuck as a 4:05 regional game on CBS to mostly two or three states if not for Aaron Rodgers' shoulder injury
Nantz and Simms did a 4:05 Jets/Patriots game (both were 5-0) in 2004 as well.
I'm enjoying the way you do your videos since you unveiled your new OJG9 Studios.
Indeed. Nice to see JG9 appear in these videos now.
Actually, CBS would have needed nine production crews for the entire weekend, as the day before CBS showed the SEC Championship Game in college football. Another reason the move had to be done.
I remember this well and the buzz in Detroit was crazy when the game got flexed. Also in 2011 the Lions hosted their first Monday night game ever at Ford Field and at that point Ford Field was 10 years old.
Yeah, if I remember 2011 was kind of a turnaround year for the Lions and it seemed like they might finally be heading in the right direction
@leogetz3570 yes they made the playoffs thar year as a wildcard, but unfortunately in the first round and ironically enough the playoff game was a Saturday night in New Orleans and on NBC again. It wasn't a good night for the Lions, they got smoked by the Saints. Then the next 2 years the Lions went backwards and after the 2013 season they fired Coach Jim Schwartz and hired Jim Caldwell for the 2014 season.
The minute you brought up Colts-Patriots in 2011, I knew the reason. That was the “Suck for Luck” year. (And how did that turn out?)
Great video! These broadcasting deep-dives are fascinating.
I sure remember this.
Somehow, Kerry Collins beat the Ravens in my sim *in week three*
(IIRC he didn't even sign till week two, totally believable that Collins with a week would have been a better option than even Pat McAfee)
No, wasn't Madden🤣
If there was a redraft back in 2012, Russell Wilson will pick 1st Overall, follow by Andrew Luck, and maybe RG3 later in the 1st Round.
And that actually was a by-product of the lockout. The Colts doctors were unable to monitor Peyton Manning during the lockout and as a result were unable to work with him on treatment for his neck issues. The Colts as a result were probably the team most screwed by a lockout that I believe happened as it was during the time of Jamie and Frank McCourt, who owned the Los Angeles Dodgers going through a VERY nasty divorce that led to for a time financial issues with the Dodgers before they were eventually sold and it appeared at that time there were some NFL owners who had spouses who could have brought teams down if they didn't get everything they wanted and that was why the NFL had to go through with the lockout.
@@jetfan925Andrew Luck would definitely be the first pick
I was at the Vikings/Broncos game. For the Vikings to be a team with only 2 wins it was like a playoff atmosphere. Leslie Frazier sold out to idea Tebow couldn't throw the football. He played the run all the way. Tebow would only have 1 more game to rival this one, the playoff game vs Pittsburgh where the Steelers did the same thing.
Week 14 vs Bears, arguably a better (and more miraculous) ending than either of those games
This was the year when we were down like 5 cornerbacks. I think we were starting Asher Allen and Marcus Sherels by this point.
The 49ers-Ravens game on Thanksgiving was on NFL Network, not NBC, NFL Network aired the final thanksgiving game from 2006-2011
Also in 2020, the Bears and Saints even played a PLAYOFF GAME on CBS! (and Nickelodeon). Unreal.
Ah yes - the "Suck for Luck" season.
I love this video. I was able to correctly predict the Sunday night flex was the cause of the Sunday afternoon flex with Tebow time
And I mentioned this game in the Broncos/49ers 2002 vid (I'm guessing you can learn more about that game by clicking the card in the upper right hand corner)
Finally, a situation where the NFL got the broadcasting right!
Prior 2014 season NFL announced they will be cross-flex by conference AFC allowed to play on FOX and NFC allowed to play on CBS
Example:
Raiders vs Colts on Fox in Week 17 2021
Giants vs Cowboys on CBS in Week 5 2020
I wonder how fans in Charlotte reacted to Panthers-Falcons airing on channel 3 instead of channel 18
He mentioned passer rating and didn't compare it to just spiking the ball every play. I need to lie down.
I remember that time. The DEN-MIN game was originally a 4:05pm game on CBS. BAL-CLE was originally a 1pm game. Part of the shuffle that weekend included moving the BAL-CLE game to a late kickoff
Also both Jets @ Patriots games in 1971 and 1972 were on CBS. Back then NBC had exclusive rights to network TV coverage of the MLB postseason, and weekend playoff games were played during the afternoon.
Many of the games with the AFC team as the visitor were only televised locally in the visiting team's market. Both times in 1971 and 1972 the NYJ-NE games - October 10, 1971 and October 15, 1972 respectively, ended up on CBS.
Local CBS station in New York not on CBS Network because NBC were still Broadcasting the game
@@coreylevine8095If you were in NYC, WNBC-TV (channel 4) has the rights to the Jets game and WCBS-TV (channel 2) has the Giants, and these two were avoid other teams due to the blackout rules that takes place during the 1970’s and 1980’s. WABC-TV (channel 7) had “Monday Night Football” where other teams plays either local or non-local teams. When WNYW-TV (channel 5) ran NFL games since 1991, it might be the problem.
@@coreylevine8095 For the record, 506 has both games with Criqui/Cross/Stockton (71) and Whitaker/Fredrickson/Barr (72)
The Jets played at the Patriots on October 15, 1972 and that game was on CBS, not NBC.
The SF-BAL Thanksgiving Night game in 2011 was on NFL Network, not NBC. The league had the night game on Turkey Day on NFLN 2006-2011, then switched that to NBC on 2012, which turned out to be the infamous Butt Fumble game.
yep... I remember a few people wanting to come over to my place after Thanksgiving dinner because I had the NFL Network!! They wanted to see that brother against brother coaching matchup. It may have been on the local NBC stations in SF and Baltimore, but definitely not an NBC national broadcast
@12:40 Denver a few months later - hold my beer
The dynamics of NFL TV scheduling are so interesting with the lack of RSN involvement.
21:00 This unOfficial Jaguar Gator 9 historian will tell you about the time where the game he just mentioned caused massive controversy between Extreme Makeover Home Edition and figure skating.
26:39... "For more than 40 years any time an AFC team is on the road, the game is televised by CBS and every NFC road game was on Fox"..... you might want to check your math and history. FOX didn't get the NFC package until 1994 and CBS didn't get the AFC package until 1998
NBC had the AFL/AFC games from 1965-1997 and SNF from 2006-to the present.CBS had the NFL/NFC games from 1956-1993 and AFC from 1998-to the present Cross Flexing began in 2014
@@coreylevine8095 yep
I'm still Tewbowing every night before bed.
Amazing content!
Hey, I just wanted to say I love your channel. Thanks for being so thorough about the topics you cover. Maybe you can explain this to me, since you probably understand this better than I do. I would that the way they broadcast games today makes a ton more sense then how it used to be. What do you suppose was the rationale behind why they did it back then ? Because looking at the context, it doesn’t even seem like the setup was fair even in THEORY. Unless, the thought was let’s be unfair to all the networks so nobody likes how we do it? What is your impression about that? 🤔
I watched most of this game live. I always wondered why tf this was on Fox instead of on CBS like it should have been.
Who remembers Toby Gerheart on the Vikings?
I was never big on Tebow. But man, that Broncos season was fun
As a Vikings fan, 2011 was a complete disaster of a season and by far the worst season I’ve seen of Vikings football.
At least Jared Allen had an amazing season and this cool fact happened that year.
And since this video was released there was 2 games with a team scoring over 60 points in the 2023 season
I hate that games can be cross flexed now. As a titans fan cbs has a much more clean and crisp quality of video.
That is why Thanksgiving has had all NFC teams some of the time. Cross flex scheduling is good for the networks, the fans, and the advertisers. Covid moved the Masters to late in year 2020 and games with AFC on the road were on Fox that particular weekend.
Tebow was the epitome of "better to be lucky than good." He was awful as a QB, but had a streak of luck chucking it up to receivers which made people think there was something to him for a little bit. Except in this game, because the 2011 Vikings could have made Nathan Peterman look like Drew Brees. Their opponents' QB rating was 107.6, the highest by any team since the 0-16 Lions in 2008 and the highest until Washington in 2014. Even the Colts, feeble as the were, allowed a lower opponent's passing rating, because they had 9 fewer TDs scored against them.
"As of this video, it is the last time a team has allowed more than 60 points in a game." And THEN 2023 happened...
Another detail about CBS HD production trucks and crews availability - the day before CBS had the SEC Championship Game (I think Georgia-LSU) and a college basketball game (I believe Gonzaga was one of the teams).
yep.... LSU/Georgia in a lopsided game!!
I remember Gonzaga playing UConn in the Battle of Seattle (lost in OT after AJ Price's fallaway 3) the day before Jets/Seahawks in 2008, Gus Johnson did both games
EDIT: The MBB game was UW/Duke from MSG. Ian Eagle did that and Chiefs/Jets Sunday, so that likely wouldn't have been an issue if they had the same truck already out.
"As of now, no team since has allowed more then 60 points"
The next 5 monts: "Hold my beer"
Broncos allow 70 against dolphins.
Chargers allow 63 against Raiders.
2023-2024 was kinda stupid
I'd forgotten the Vikings were part of tebow-mania.
an interesting subtext to this which might have merited a mention is that for many years the contract to broadcast NFC games was worth substantially more than the one for AFC games.
also, i'd bet somewhere in the fine print of the broadcasting contracts was language about no network being required to broadcast more than 7 games on a given sunday. i doubt much consideration was given to fox's ratings
Starting in 2023, the contracts that FOX and CBS have aren't as different in cost. That's a sign that the rigid TV designations are done. The NFC contract was worth more due to that conference having teams having markets to themselves being in bigger DMAs (TV markets) with some of them having longer histories.
This is very similar to what happened in 2002 in the Premier League between ITV & Sky. At the time the policy was that ITV was allowed to air any game in the Premier League as long as Man United was not the home team. This was because at the time, Sky had the exclusive rights to all Man United home games in the Premier League in a deal not that different from what the Braves/Cubs of MLB had with TBS/WGN for many years. However when Man United played Arsenal at home in May of that season in a game that would see Arsenal win the title if they won, the game was broadcast on ITV. This happened for two reasons. The main one was that Sky decided to show a relegation zone battle between Sunderland & Leicester instead of Man United-Arsenal in the 3pm time slot because they thought it would be more appealing. I should note that Leicester heading into this match was already relegated & was absolutely terrible. The other was that like with this, ITV would get decimated in the ratings by Sky since Sky was broadcasting every other match that weekend if ITV did not pick up the rights to Man United-Arsenal. Thanks to Sky's bad decision making, ITV was able to steal viewers away from them. As for how Man United-Arsenal turned out, Arsenal won 1-0 winning the title. This game is also known for the brawl in the tunnel between Roy Keane & Patrick Vieira before the match.
I was so confused when this happened.
Are you saying AMC? Every time I hear it I’m thrown off
Since 2014, when the Browns had decided to have Johnny Manziel start a game for the first time, Browns/Bengals matchups have tended to be on Fox.
4:06 Prior to 2014, AFC road teams played on CBS (circa 1970 to 1993) or Fox (circa 1994 to present) due to NBC (1970 to 1997) and CBS (1998 to present) being the home network for the American Football Conference. NFC Road teams, before the 2014 season, played on NBC (circa 1970 to 1997) or CBS (1998 to present due to National Football Conference's home network being CBS (1970 to 1993) and Fox (1994 to present). Going forward from 2014 to now, any NFL game can be in either Fox or CBS.
Crazy because I always thought that AFC was CBS and NFC was FOX. Times have changed since
I remember this well. The cross flex before the cross flex. We got bonus coverage of this on WCCB and didn’t even register with me at first.
As a Colts fan, I would like to forget about 2011 season. However I will say I was at one of the two victories that year as I was at Thrusday night game against Houston
4:46
Thats just an egregious hold right there..
All this begs the question: If CBS had to relinquish a game to Fox, why would it be the Tebow game in the middle of Tebow-mania? Couldn't they have picked a lesser profile game to flex, or was it their choice at all? Since they already had to cross-flex, could they have given Fox an all AFC matchup?
Saturday with a tim Tebow game
It makes more sense this way. The home team in an inter-conference game should have their own network broadcast this. It never has made sense having the visiting team have their network broadcast the game.
The idea (or one of them) was so that both networks would have a game from every stadium, of course that eventually would go away when a team would have both their interconference home games in prime time (Chargers in '93 played the Packers and Bears both on SNF and thus didn't appear on CBS is the earliest I can think of). Flex made it possible again.
I remember this: That Sunday they kept saying DEN/MIN was on FOX and I was like how is that possible? When I learned about flexing DET/NO, I understood why since CBS had so many 1pn EST games. They had to give FOX something.
What the NFL could have done there instead was a "protection override" and moved Bengals-Steelers to SNF and compensated CBS for losing a protected game by in Week 1 of the 2012 season moving the season opening game (which wound up being Cowboys-Giants) to Tuesday night and gave CBS a Wednesday night Week 1 game as compensation (which would have to have been done that way due to that season, the opening Thursday night being the final night of the Democratic National Convention that caused the season opener to be Wednesday night instead of Thursday).
Peyton Manning's injury changed the course of NFL broadcasting history. And he ended up on the Broncos the following season.
IN 2011 FOX SHOULD HAVE DETROIT LIONS @ NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ON FOX BUT TO HAVE DETROIT LIONS @ NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ON NBC WAS A GOOD THING!
12:41 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would have flexed Colts @ Patriots to FOX
1. One other reason to protect Steelers/Bengals is that it is always a very heated rivalry. Two teams that HATE one another and are in no hurry to hide that fact. So you have all the other stuff factored in and then you add the idea of one of the most heated and well known rivalries in the entire NFL and it makes sense why that would be protected.
2. I think there is also a rule that a team couldn't be on SNF more than twice per season, but I could be wrong on the details about that. Another potential reason why Jets couldn't be flexed in.
3. I know that there's a rule I remember seeing that the Monday night game couldn't be flexed to change actual dates, but I'm going to say for sake of the argument that it could. ESPN had Chargers and Jags. Could the NFL had considered breaking one of their other self made rules and tried to get ESPN to take Pats and Colts instead of Chargers/Jags and switch dates of games around? I know that ESPN, knowing the issues Colts were having, that they would sign off on that, but it was still Brady playing, so who knows (plus whatever importance that game had for the Chargers, too). If they broke that whole NFC/AFC broadcast rule for afternoon games, I wonder if they considered bending the rules on that, too.
TebowMania swept Denver until John Elways went goo goo ga ga for Peyton Manning. Tebow career was never the same
Also as the NFL begain Cross-Flexing games in 2014 CBS started showing Thursday Night Football games that years
And that may have been the reason why Cross-Flexing was introduced
12:40 Miami dropped 70 on Denver
Went to the Tebow game in San Diego was way more boring then the manning games for like 55 mins. Also the kick got flack for peeing on the sideline. Watched this game back then and didn’t notice
Is there any chance the Indianapolis Colts & Miami Dolphins Swap Divisions ?
Dolphins should be in the AFC South, Ravens AFC East, Indy in AFC North
The NFC is a lot easier since the Rams moved back to LA...Cowboys to NFC South, Carolina to NFC East
CBS had a 8 crew of Don Criqui and Randy cross That year
Was also Marv Albert's first at CBS a year after leaving Westwood One.
Denver/Minnesota would ultimately lead to the cross-flexing three years later. used to be if the road team was from the nfc, it was on fox and if an afc team traveling, it would be on cbs if it wasn’t a prime-time game.
The game when Tbeow and Broncos won with only 2 passes is similar to when Mac Jones and Pat won at Bills in 202q regualr seaosn on 2 to 3 pass attempts
christian ponder? MY EYES MY EYYYYYYEEEESSSSSS
Nice
25:07 when he this narrator (I should get to know his name) starts talking about how CBS' NFL coverage falls short one announcing crew for this particular week, at first, I was going to argue that in the past when CBS (or NBC or Fox for that matter) had heavy weekends, they'd improvise, for instance, around 1999 or 2000, I remember CBS actually had 9 games and went to their college football studio and used then host Tim Brando* to do play by play for an NFL game the next day (I'd assume it was close to the New York studio for a short flight, bit I do remember in the USA Today that he was named as one of the announcers). One time Fox used Nick Halling who worked for Fox's international setup out in Europe covering soccer and I think would do England's network coverage of the Super Bowl. NBC once used Kevin Harlan way back when he was doing the Chiefs to create on extra team, Cowboys local guy Brad Sham & then LA Rams announcer Paul Olden was used by CBS in the past (likely during the bye weeks of their repective teams). But in all those aforementioned situations, they never did cross-flexing so the networks knew exactly months in advance as to how many announcers they would need for each & every week of the season thus it would give them plenty of time in advance contract announcers & such. In this situation, I believe this was the same weekend as the SEC conference championship football game and I believe Verne Lundquist was still doing it back then (with Tim Brando perhaps on location hosting) so moving either of them to another city for a game the very next day would have been practically challenging. So you have to give CBS some slack for not being able to cough up a credible announcing crew on such short notice. *Brando and his 1998 college football studio partners of Criag James & Lou Holtz called a Tennessee Titans home game as an "8th team" that year in addition to the one in question.
Back in 2000 Fox had to use Dan Miller on an important Bears-Lions game because Sam Rosen did a Saturday game the day before and they didn't want Rosen's crew to do double duty.
I do remember after 9/11, CBS was going to have Tim Brando do double duty as the host and play by play for the Tennessee-Florida game due to Verne Lundquist being stuck in Europe, i guess he would have done the Bills-Dolphins game the next day too. ESPN actually had to do this the next week with Dr. Jerry Punch doing the Virginia @ Clemson as he lived in NC at that time and Mike Tirico did a game at Syracuse that week too and Dave Barnett did Texas @ Houston as he lived in Texas at that time.
Tim Tebow, the greatset linebacker to ever play quaterback!
After Saints blew up the Colts NFL allowed NBC to flexed out a early season game. Case and point 2018 wk 6 Rams/49ers got flexed out for Bengals/Chiefs
There was a bit of WTF when the NFL/NBC didn't flex out 49ers/Giants in 2015 (the first season they could do so) with the Niners coming off back-to-back blowout losses when the decision would have been made in J, um, uh, eh, Tomsula's lone season, except that actually ended up being a good game (Eli to Larry Donnell with 15 seconds left) and the Giants didn't go into the crapper until the second half of the season anyway
@mgb4692 49ers fan and I agreed that game deserved to be flexed out. Seahawks vs Bengals should've been the Sunday Night matchup instead of SF/NYG
As a Cotls fan who lvie sin and form Indy..Jacksonville jaguars @Indianapolis Colts week 1 Sumdya September 10 1:00 PM ET on FOX
Waaaait the steelers play a lot of 1 o'clock games does that mean were a bad game to watch?
Tebow was propped up to be magical ✨️ it was scripted man throwing for 316 and taking a knee for bale. But if you didn't know that you would think he was a good guy when he really a warlock
Skip Bayless hero
Tebow may be popular, Manning will always be the GOAT. Go vols!
Yup it Tebow and the one worst Def in the NFL at the time mins one player
Tebow was like Ned Flanders. He would just pray and God would give him a miracle.
Dumb
Bro should've never done a face reveal! Good videos, but stay off camera.
CBS HAS THE RITES TO AFC GAMES FOX HAS THE TO NFC GAMES SO THE DENVER BRONCOS @ THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS 2011 WAS BROADCAST ON FOX YES THIS GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON CBS BUT MINNESOTA WAS THE HOME TEAM SO THIS GAME WAS ON FOX!
umm 70-20 does exist
This video was before the NFL season started.
Eagles legend Tim Tebow
I remembered watching this live on my mom’s living room tv as a junior in high school