The Joker Is Getting Too Complicated!
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- The Joker, a villain dating back to the Golden Age of DC Comics. Batman's arch nemesis has gone through some changes over the years, and been given multiple origins. Has the clown prince of crime grown too complicated? We examine the latest additions to his origin that ties into the 3 Jokers here on Casually Comics! Did the Red Mask create the 3 Jokers? Were they always just alters? Does it matter?
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Which character has a backstory you wish they would leave alone?
I know its talked about here, but the Joker. He just works better without an origin. In my take, the Joker just appears right at the beginning of Year Two to usher in the costumed villains.
Most of them.
@@SpaceJawa Same!
Donna Troy, Joker. haha!
Jean Gray. Madelyne Pryor was unnecessary, and Jean should have stayed dead. But that ship has looooong sailed.
Can't he just be a guy who poisoned Gotham's water supply because he wanted to trademark smiling fish?
“NoOoOoO, bEcAuSe He NeEdS tO bE eDgY aNd CoOl” (Note the quotations)
Nah nah nah, I will tell you the real origin of the Joker... it all started with Darkseid...
No because they've overclocked Batman to the point where he can and has humiliated every God like existence in the DC Universe. So his main enemy can't be just a clown guy he has to be Thanos, Galactica, and Dr, Doom threat levels in one.
God if only, I hate how he can't just be a sociopath with a sense of humour
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The chair is basically alexa.
"There are multiple results. Did you mean Joker (Character), Joker (film), Joker (playing card)?"
But what about joker (profession)?
Hahaha
The chair only works on real names. There happens to be three generations of guys named Joseph Kerr off in Idaho.
"I'm sorry. I didn't quite get that. Did you mean Joe Kurr?"
"Calling Jacob Kurtzberg..."
1984 Editorial: "Write every comic as if it may be someone's first issue jumping in"
2024 Editorial: "Write every comic as if someone's read every single issue for decades and try and make it confusing for them!"
It's because nobody is jumping in, so they just gave up.
@@PosthumanHeresy Pretty much. Not even hardcore fans are staying.
@@PosthumanHeresynobody can jump in anymore. Too confusing.
Metron: I rigged the chair to lie to The Batman.
Highfather:… *But why tho?*
Metron: It was funny.
Haha! Metron and all New Genesis just trolling Batman for the lol's
Highfather: "Ha! You're such a joker!"
Or, maybe the chair told Bruce that Metron was the *real* Joker, which set off Bruce's reaction since it is sort of an 'I always lie' moment.
I appreciate the reference to the Lockjaw retcon.
I can totally see this.
Maybe the three jokers were the friends we made along the way
I think 3 harevly qinns would have made more sense. As a story after joker shot the first one he found a new girl got mad matter to hypnoize her then dressed her up like Harley did this a few times. Joker not getting fed up and Shoting Harley feels wired
" This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot."
- Spiderman
*Spider-Man
@@totz_the_plaid9625 *Peter Parker.
The mystery of the three jokers is no longer "how is this possible? who are they? What's going on?!" But rather "why should i care??? 😭"
I think this really stems from the issue of people really wanting to be the one to make a definitive backstory for a joker when he's the type of character where his personal backstory doesn't really matter much for the character on a whole.
Joker/Smoker/Midnight Toker
Some call him the gangster of jokes. 🎶
That makes the most sense.
I've never seen a comic or anything else where Joker had a jumpsuit with the name tag "Maurice"
So the real answer to what the chair told him must have been "Maurice", then.
@@Robocopnik No. That's not possible,
"where you see one set of Jokers in the sand..." he said, "that's when I was carrying you through this convoluted plot. "
Joker: "Ah, Batsy. But where you see three Jokers, I see four."
Batman: "See 4?" looks around at all the explosives surrounding them "Is that what this was about? Is that what all of this Three Jokers nonsense was about? A setup to this punchline?!"
Joker: "Eeyup!" pushes the detonator
It took a second but you got me good.
Hellsing Abridged!
Alan Moore: I started a joke, which started the whole world laughing… But I didn't see, that the joker was three lol
"You're Joker, he's Joker, I'm joker! Is there anyone else who's Joker?"
Batman who laughs: "Meow"
*pokes him with a stick* Get back to Fortnite you edgelord
"🎶Wouldn't you like to be a Joker, too? 🎶" 🥤👨⚕🌶
As someone who's currently reading through Claremont era x-men I genuinely love how the comics of that era truly dedicate themselves to the idea that any comic could be someone's first issue and extensively include editors notes, clarifications and flashbacks so the reader has all of the context needed to enjoy the issue. I get that some people might find it tedious but it makes reading these comics so much more accessible than most modern comics.
As someone whose relatively new to comics I find modern comics so frustrating because a lot seem to operate with the assumption that the reader is keeping up with every title being published.
Oh for sure. I read through them myself during the pandemic and reading 10 odd years of comics os mentally draining lol. The editors notes were super helpful.
Making every comic accessible to new readers was mandate from Marvel Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter.
@@KasumiKenshirou and god bless him for that!
I think that new comics exist in a weird space where it is more important to know writer's headcanon than keeping up with whats being actually published.
@@hsssh9210 Which is a recipe for disaster. Comics at some point became way too convoluted and now need strong editorial. If editors cannot keep a streamlined path for their characters and keep it somewhat accessible for new readers, you're not making any progress.
Even if the writing was good (it isn't these days, for the most part), the quality can be diminished because of how much headcanon and storylines you need to consume to just understand this storyline.
I'm starting to think it'd be easier to just retcon the chair
When I first heard about Three Jokers, I assumed it was going to be some kind of multiverse thing. Where we have the literal Jokers from the then three continuities DC had gone through all teaming up. The original, Post Crisis, and the New 52. An idea that not only sounds fun, but also is far easier to understand.
That would have been so much better
Over complicating a bit? That's A BIT of an understatement.
Not everything/everyone needs a backstory explanation. Joker is one such concept.
The problem isn't the backstory. The problem is the unwillingness to not make open ended.
You can't have both a backstory and a multiple choice past
This is getting like Wolverine: They keep adding to his backstory for the sake of content and it just becomes ridiculous and convoluted.
Wolverine was at least born in the late 19th century which gives a lot of scope for ridiculous backstory, unless you mean all that shit with Romulus because that was fucking terrible
But Wolverine hasn't been this complicated in about 16 years at this point.
I feel like Joker and Batman are stuck in a rut where everything has to keep getting more convoluted and epic, but it just becomes tedious and dull. I would really like to see the Batman brand get much more simplified and low stakes for a while.
At this point, I think Grant Morrison is the only one who could give an explanation for a situation like this so we can just move on.
And all of this seens to be people reworking the concept of super sanity from Batman Arkham Asylum, which was already created to reconcile the Joker personality changes along the eras.
You know that rapscallion would give this thing 500 layers of pseudo-scientific nonsense leading into a modern, dark reinterpretation of The Eraser who can now erase space time.
@@ProjektTaku Joker actually killed his twin sister in the womb but its ok cause she was a sleep paralysis demon and everyone does it
Not even him he's kinda past his prime
@@ProjektTaku The Eraser can now erase the concept of authorship itself, using the Barthes Total Nulifier, and it is up to the Dynamic Duo to save Morrison in the real world Glasgow.
I’m enjoying Zdarsky’s run, but something is lost with all these additions to the Joker’s history. It’s the end result of a problem that’s been in Batman comics for the past 10-20 years. Creators keep revisiting the same characters, plots, and ideas, trying to add to what’s already there. Drawing inspiration from the same well of prior comics. And so what was once subtext and symbolism gradually becomes diluted and literal.
Barbatos is a good example. In the original Dark Knight, Dark City story he’s used for an allegory for Batman’s relationship with Gotham City. Then Morrison and later Snyder went far beyond that.
Remember when Batman was about a guy fighting thugs and psycho trying to keep his city safe?
It is funny you say that because I have been looking at a few history of Batman videos and from I have seen things got crazy fast with one of his earliest enemies being a vampire
@@nicholas-jasonroache1526 Vampires fit Batman better than senseless multiverse bs imo
@@yurilouback6331 Yeah, I don't mind batman going up against weird foes, I just wish they stopped doing all this shit about how the Joker's relationship with him is actually this cosmic, predestined thing
Yeah back in the 1950s hahahaha. Dude lives in a world with Superman, Wonderwoman and the Flash. Things were bound to go crazy super quick. Specially being part of sht like JSA/JLA
The Mad Monk, the vampire/werewolf, appeared in Detective 31. Just four issues later. Bats was just destined to have weird enemies.
Convoluted Joker makes me miss the Batman Who Chortles.
In my opinion, they are vague on purpose. Intentionally leaving it
open to interpretation, because they don't know how to resolve it.
Good point!
This is the new clone saga
DC: "Are we getting to convoluted and confusing with this multiple Joker's thing?"
"Aaah, it's fine. What's important, is that we get readers talking!"
The readers talking: "What the *[expletive]* is going on here?!
So…… 3 Separate personalities…. Who all go by the same name… and have the same career…. Interests…. Trade marks…. And personality
Remember when Joker was just an unhinged guy with moods variable enough that he could rob the bank with a squeaky toy mallet one day and gut somebody in front of City Hall the next? Simpler times.
I'm all Jokered out lol
Zur-En-Arrh being a "backup personality" is so much sillier and stupider than just letting there be an alien who copied Batman.
And I think ANY version of the "three Jokers" thing that doesn't just take two alternate Earth Jokers is too convoluted and silly to take seriously.
Just let things be simple sometimes, please!
I think we stopped too soon. We should have at least gotten to 6.5 Jokers, if not 7.
what about......8 maybe?
@@Jezee213 That's brilliant!
This one goes to 11.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 ....Oh wow...I didn't think about that many Jokers...
2π jokers
I don’t even think they know. I think they’re playing on the boundary of an idea that was divisive, planted in the story of Three Jokers.
They’re using it to test the water and change direction based on that. On top of that, I think some of the messiness is based on poor writing plain and simple. I would not put every inconsistency down to them intentionally being vague or constructing something deeper. Sometimes people just write really poorly, and giving writers the benefit of the doubt, thinking inconsistencies or confusing things are somehow deeper, is a mistake.
Things like this make you miss the silver age.
The Joker is so overrated and overused it's incredibly frustrating...
Right!
Truth
Honestly we need more focus on the other villains. Two Face, Clay Face, The Riddler
Ever since heath ledger
For a guy that the Punisher would have eliminated on his first day on the job.
Batman as "The World's Greatest Detective" works, with the Joker, the Clown Prince of Crime, as his foil.
Batman as "I know all, I see all, I conquer all" with the Joker, The End of All That Is, does not.
It's like taking Daredevil and Kingpin, and making them the pinnacle of Marvel heroes and villains. It just doesn't work.
I'm so sick of the constant homages to The Dark Knight Returns, Batman Year One, and Batman: The Killing Joke. They're great but that doesn't mean you should keep fishing that same narrow well.
The best thing about all of them is that the reason they're so good is that they're not trying to base themselves off of other popular batman stories of that time, they're usually completely original
It's like DC doing Crisis every so often.
No, it's not an element of your history that needs to be "celebrated". A lot of DC problems stem from those Crisis events.
It's just too much. What was a neat idea that was closed with Johns' 3 Jokers ended up... Over explaining him. Who cares if he has 3 personalities? Why should he be trained? Joker functions better as: a guy went nuts one day and started seeding chaos across Gotham. Who he was doesn't matter, don't explain it. I love Zadarsky as a writer but this did not hit the mark.
*Sigh* They need to just stop. Just let Joker be Joker without being Batman's "other half" or one of the two most dangerous men on the planet or other nonsense. Batman and the Joker have become so self-indulgent it's no wonder the Bat Family needs like, twenty members...because somebody needs to actually fight crime while these two contemplate their navels.
Any inconsistencies in canon can be retconned to be we are just viewing the whole universe through Joker's insanity.
Absolutely wild. I think that maybe the writers are just having way too much fun with a bad idea. The joker being extra special from the start and constantly adding more retroactive parallels to Bruce kinda loses some of the thrill of the character for me
Who said Metron's chair didn't have a sense of humor?😕
That should just be the result of this. Metron appears and tells Batman that it all was just a prank by the chair, and flies away again.
And the full three Jokers stuff is over.
😆LMAO! Imagine the look on Batman's face! He would be beyond crushed! He couldn't even trust New God's technology after that.
I don't like when someone writes a mystery with no solution, a good mystery should be written with the solution in mind. I feel like a lot of series (comics, TV, movies) do this, setting up a big, intriguing, mystery, but either never had a solution, or there is a change in writers who didn't know the solution or abandoned it because they didn't know how to make it work. They make up an unsatisfying solution, that never really fits all the clues, or just go with what the fandom expected, which can be equally unsatisfying. Worse still, another writer comes along and decides they didn't like that solution, so they retcon their own.
I honestly preferred Gotham's approach to the Joker, an Idea, a legacy, a gas...
I will never understand why this was even started. Morrison wrote the idea that Joker can form new personalities which explains why he can be so different. Why did this have to become there literally being three Jokers or even three distinct "real" personas in one body? It is way less interesting, provides for fewer stories than the old idea, and is just making both fans and writers confused.
Yeah. Some things just don’t need to be explained. The Joker is a wild card and that’s what makes him fun or interesting (I can’t decide if calling the joker fun is warped or not). As long as the writer is giving us a Joker that is recognizable as the Joker, I don’t see the problem.
Alan Moore defined the concept 1st introduced in Detective Comics (v.1) #168 without over doing it with The Killing Joke, then later further enhancement by Dennis O'Neil in Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight 50 with 'Images', then in Batman: Gotham Knights (v.1) #50 with 'Pushback, book one' by A.J. Lieberman and finally Batman: The Man Who Laughs by Ed Brubaker (with art by Doug Manke, who drew 'Images)...all of these stories added subtle layers to the origin of Joker - also one of the best things (besides you intro of Mime and Marionette 😊) was the fact that Geoff Johns had the Watchmen universe people land in the Bonus Brothers Carnival (from The Killing Joke, with lots of other Easter Eggs).
Now with 3 Jokers and Joker Year One, the additions to the origin of Joker are rather jarring and perplexing like when you see a red chair in the middle of an empty white room that wasn't there before or suddenly adding a pimple to your nise tip that wasn't there before.
The previous additions were like subtly adding details to an image, whereas the latter additions are like switching from sepiatone to Kodacolor.
The last 'addituons' can be seen as an author vainly trying to one up Moore and nothing else.
F.Y.I. - The events of The Killing Joke were prefaced by The Batgirl Special and followed by The Suicide Squad and the introduction of Oracle pretty much means that DC editorial knew they were going to include The Killing Joke in continuity.
The comics wouldn't have this problem if they focused on other Batman villains for a change. The Joker is overused and since the writers need to constantly keep things fresh they end up adding so many new concepts to what is a fairly straightforward trickster character without a definitive origin story. This makes the character seem overly complicated, artificial and ultimately tiresome.
Or just give him ones because all the old ones are just Batman with a diff skin.
We're barreling towards a Crisis of Infinite Jokers meanwhile I just want Infinite Harleys.
#MaximumJokage
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We already habe Infinite Harleys, though.
I feel like they could have done there were three different people who took on the Joker’s identity over time. Kind of his own version of a legacy hero. But I feel like that may have made things like his and HQ’s relationship creepier (like if one of legacies took over for another in the middle of their relationship and just didn’t tell her) so probably for the best they didn’t go down that route canonically
Joker is after the three sacred Atlantean treasures: the Seashells of Wisdom, Power, and Courage. Batman, Aquaman, and a police officer who has recently come out of suspended animation will have to work together to get them before the Jokers, and try to figure out the Secret of the Three Seashells.
I miss when joker just wanted to rob banks, I miss when joker legitimately WANTED TO KILL Batman. I’m tired of the “ I wanna prove a point” and “I love you Batman” nonsense
Joker still does that, and the "I love batman" is just fanon never been stated ever in canon
This is why constantly adding to a character to leave your mark on a character isn't always the best idea... honestly, it's more or less a bad one, as time goes on.
I wish there was 3 Sasha's 🙌🏻
There are! We saw them last video! 😂
Since you're doing Joker canon issues right now, I'd *love* to see you do one on whether the real name revealed for the Joker in Flashpoint Beyond #5 is or should be considered canonical!
I agree. They tried to make Joker too complicated, and fixing it makes the situation worst.
The Joker seems to suffer from a “Lost” problem, wherein the writers keep answering questions with more questions, not realizing that some of those questions were better off left unanswered.
It’s the “shit or get off the pot” style of writing a mystery, where you can’t commit to answering shit but also can’t commit to the unsolvable mystery.
I just watched your 3 jokers video for the first time this morning so this was a treat to see in my feed.
Paul Dini kind of did the 3 Jokers thing in his Detective Comics run in the mod '00s. Gaggy the clown said Joker was basically an extreme method actor. Whenever he felt the need to _"shake up his act"_ that Joker would go through a deep meditation stint where he would reinvent himself to the point he may as well be another person.
Yeah. All this is a fine example of the old saying "Too many cooks in the kitche" and it also points out how Important Editors are to these big story arcs. Good Editors and the very apparent lack there of.
I mean 3 "Jokers" would explain how his personality can veer from homicidal to genocidal, but they seem to have chosen the most convoluted way to go about it.
Some writers enjoy leaving things a little nebulous to give room to multiple interpretations. This is true in songwriting, novels, comic books, politics (lol!), etc. I prefer authors to give a clear intent. The audience will still form their own opinions. I like having a firm starting point for musing, personally. Love your editor's notes, I paused the vid to read each one.
This reminds me a lot of Doctor Who. Many times in Doctor Who they do seasons where a major aspect of the lore, like the Doctors name, is set-up to revealed. And then they technically do, but not really (such as the Doctor inaudibly facing away from the camera and whispering it)
Same thing here, literally. What is the Jokers name? Nothing, won't tell you. But there are 3, why? Stay tuned, except not really because we don't want to tell you
The only way to truly rectify it is just the chair, detecting two more alternate jokers existing in the same reality at that moment.
The concept of the Joker being three separate people that apparently can combined extremely ridiculous, to the point where I’d question if this wasn’t a result of bat-might
Somewhat related, it'd be interesting to hear your analysis of The Painted Doll, a clear expy for the Joker created by Alan Moore for his Promethea series. Arguably the Doll is Moore's response to how his Joker stories ended up (unintentionally?) changing the character's role in the DC Univere, a commentary on the weird adulation for the Joker that cultivated amongst fandom, and an attempt to play with a different "Joker" origin story that's simultaneously more Silver Age-y and more grounded.
At this point Bruce should just run around Gotham with a bunch of Pokeballs to capture all the loose Jokers running around.
Gotta catch them all!
At this point just retcon the chair into confusing New 52, Pre 52 and Pre Crisis Jokers as the same thing. It's too much.
I think the simplest explanation is that while the chair works fine for someone like Metron, it's not intended for regular mortals. Therefore sometimes it'll answer a mortal's question normally (such as the question about Batman's parents' killer), other times things will go south.
That's actually a really cool idea. I'm imagining that as a design limitation: the chair syncs up better with the "species" it was created for
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I loved the wigs you picked for that episode Sasha.
Could this be kinda of the Hulk issue, " Honey, I shrunk the Hulks"? Merge the Jokers and each has a seperate conscience? It'll be different, Joker's so much different, but...maybe?
Am I the only one laughing at Sasha’s foreshadowing about editors notes, and then proceeding to put them all over the video?
I don't like stories that make characters choices feel like pre-destination. Maybe Joker should get a new personality every time he dies and comes back from the dead. Fading between each personality at different points, like playing GTA5 and dropping in on the other characters at weird times.
At this point, the simplest solution may be to say that Batman was lying when he told Hal the chair said there were 3 Jokers. I would even buy that the chair told him that in the future there would be 3 and that Batman is trying to mitigate that future. It's a lot easier to believe than the idea that he asked no follow-up questions that would lead to him catching the Joker ASAP.
I would rather believe that Batman actually asked how he would defeat the Joker for good and was told that it would never happen.
Thank you Sasha, but I still feel that the writers are taking the easy road when the Joker is reduced to a split personality being, or some simple multi-verse character. I mean aren't we exploring that in the Hulk since the late 80's?....with varying levels of success. There is potentially a deep mine of untapped story in "the chair's" three Jokers comment and the standard tropes are cop-outs/sloppy/lazy writing. The writer that cracks that nut will go down in history as the quintessential Joker scribe. PEACE dear Sister, and God bless.
Joker is just an agent of pure chaos. That can handwave the chair away. It might also be funny for a chaos magic user like the witch boy to make a comment like, "That guy? Oh no... there's some things even I wont mess with... best to leave 'that' be".
I think inconsistency in Joker`s origin is the point. Like, Joker is so chaotic, messed up and twisted, that in doen`t matter who or what created him or how much Jokers there actually are, how much bodies and how much minds. I`d say that The Joker is more of the idea, than a person and we will never know the 100% absolute true one variant and no one will, probably not even Joker himself.
IMO the first panel was just one of those time movements panels where he stood up and walked away …the second page I believe is like Smeagle arguing with Golum in Lord Of The Rings , or Norman with the Green Goblin in Raimi’s OG Spider-Man…I personally don’t think the Joker could agree to share the spotlight, & possibly be one upped by any else , even if he gets credit for it …” One Joker Is Enough “ …Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
I really liked the Three Jokers story and how they complemented the live action versions. The Criminal (Nicholson), the Clown (Romero), and the Comedian (Ledger). But of course a unified Joker works also (Hamill). Really it's hard to screw up the Joker whatever you do with him. Well mostly...
The problem here I feel is that they've created this being of utter chaos that just DOES and DC is trying to put it in a box. The issue is that none of the info feels like it even really matters. The fact is the Joker just IS. Anything they add to the Joker just feels like a trick that Joker played just because. They've written the perfect unknowable horror, and even they can't adequately describe him.
I liked the Three Jokers idea as a single story thing, specially due the "his wife is alive" ending don't like much as ruins part of the Killing Joke. That ending and the mental gymnastics they keep pulling is gonna end into a retcon mayhem issue after issue, or just a hard timeline reset and call it a day.
How about an alternate Batman universe where joker dies after his first/second “story arc” and since hes so infamous, it makes the other rogues step up their game in being more destructive, making the joker’s legacy live on in spirit. Like imagine Batman having a proper rotating rogues’ gallery again
waiting on the "OOPS! all jokers!" universe at this point.
Absolutely loving these makeup/hair looks! 🙌🙌🙌 Inspiring!
My Joker-related question is how this relates to Grant Morrison’s concept of Joker’s “super-sanity,” which involved the Joker creating new identities for himself constantly
HeadCannon- there are three physical jokers. One is the Crown Prince of Crime. Two work behind the scenes supporting the Royal Flush Gang, fixing their hover-cards, maintaining Ace, and all around being the guy in the chair.
My theory is the chemicals gave Joker the ability to literally split himself apart. So there are 3 separate Jokers(maybe more)but he merges all of himself when he needs to.
Think of that episode of Smallville with Jonathan Taylor Thomas as a meteor freak who can go from being one person to two people. Same thing here.
The reason the Mobius chair stated there's 3 Jokers and not more is because the 3 are the main personalities. Any others that come can only come from the copies. Like the main Joker splits 3 ways, but that's it. And the other two can split as well but those are the lesser versions, the more unstable.
What would Punchline think of this if she found out? What would HARLEY think? Tbh, those are the only questions I want answered regarding this, but I'm honestly ready to move on from this idea in comics lol
like the vids this size and your longer ones
I doubt they actually have an answer to any of this, which is so frustrating. I’d be happy to forget the chair even happened and for the story to just move on, I don’t think there was ever gonna be a satisfying conclusion to a big reveal like that. The Joker works a lot better when he’s just a lunatic that showed up out of nowhere, not some over complicated multiversal constant
I like the Gotham three jokers. One is a brainy smart mob boss another just looked up to jocker and wanted to spread chaos like him than the one who becomes the real jocker that falls into the acid.
Joker's cannon origin has become just as schizophrenic as him!
These newer Batman comics are nutz!! I do like the Zur Ren Arrh(running Hare) persona though
The Zdarsky run takes some of the most confusing and silly ideas from past Batman books and crams it into this singular story.
Best Joker moment ever, EVER was the climax of the Batman-Hulk team-up. That's everything anyone needed to know or understand about who The Joker is. That and when he tore up that kid's grade report for no reason.
I think the ambiguity of how many Jokers there are is a perfect fit for the character. It's chaotic and insane, like him. And maybe that's the joke: there's no definite "Joker", they're all just people in on the joke.
I like to think that instead of creating 3 separate Jokers, Halladay broke the man 3 separate times and he needed to bring himself back together, but his psyche was fractured. Making it easier to make alters. And the fight is the metaphorical combination of the "Three Jokers" into the "Fourth" Joker
As someone who is a normie on comics books in general.I think Joker is overused as a villain. The complicated plot of this seems too me just makes this problem worse.
Thanks for Reading
I am old enough to remember a time in Batman when the Joker just wasn't around for years at a time. When he did come back it was an event and he never, ever, ever cut his face off for any reason.
I like these more "casual" casually comics videos 🥰
I don't care about origins for the Joker(s) as I've pretty much decided that he's some kind of avatar for an eldritch chaos god or something like that.
This sounds like Crisis on Infinite Jokers
I feel the multiple personalities for Joker are a bit redundant when compared to Harvey Dent (who has had a plethora of alters over the years). Inadvertently spawned multiversal physical versions works. This was just entirely unnecessary and adds poorly thought out complication rather than new depths.
Only one way to fix this: Get rid of the Joker all together. Have Punchline kill him by punching him with a giant boxing glove, and then never mention him ever again. Punchline becomes Batman's new arch nemesis. Problem solved!
Joking aside, great video!