Will Bethesda RUIN Elder Scrolls 6?
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- A comparison between cyberpunk 2077 vs Starfield, Baldur's Gate 3 vs Starfield, and a general discussion about whether the elder scrolls 6 will learn from starfield's failures or not.
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TES VI will be like going back to your grandparents' house for christmas like you used to when you were young, except your grandfather has passed away and now it's just your grandmother, who because of financial problems, has sold the house to your relatives with whom you're not that close, and now all the walls are painted white, the house doesn't smell like anything and your grandmother is just one of the other guests
Underrated comment. 👏
You took me there dude. I could smell the nothing with my own two eyes.
Well said 😢 👏
thats depressing but maybe quite accurate
this took me somewhere, thank you
You're gonna be alright
They. Need. A. New. Engine. And fire Emil. Players will NEVER get a good story with him at the helm of writing.
Just use a completely new engine, surely that will fix bad writing and strange design choices!
Engine schmengine. There's nothing wrong with the creation engine. But definitely get some new writing talent on board.
Yeah, people complaining about the engine as if that is the problem have never seen the amazing mods that make use of the creation engine in ways bethesda never will
@@AzoTheRedand just like how modded skyrim is unstable af, the creation engine just can't take put that much on the screen without spitting its lungs and crashing. Starfield is already a mess of optimization and it's barely more beautiful of complex than skyrim
If Bethesda changed engines it would completely cripple their games.
To be perfectly honest, after Starfield, BGS has lost me forever. Despite being bitter that Starfield was the reason we had to wait more than a decade in between Elder Scrolls releases, I still held a small glint of hope. Starfield nuked it from orbit. Elder Scrolls is a dead series. 15 years in between titles is a dead franchise. The quality keeps dropping, and I'm over it.
That's what I was saying in the video!
Everything you said is true, the best part of elder scrolls and fallout has been modding for years …
I was an oblivion stan too.
Absolutely correct. 15 years between "sequels" is a formula for failure. Bethesda thought they could ride the Skyrim train until the cows come home and now that the Skyrim train is pretty much dead because almost every person on the planet owns multiple copies of the game, they realize they've let their star franchise sit on a shelf for the better part of almost 2 decades. 2015-2018 would have been prime-time to release a new Elder Scrolls and 2025 would have been a good year to release TES VII. Instead, now we're sitting 13 years later after Skyrim and still nothing but a teaser trailer we got 6 years ago. It's hilarious how badly they've ignored TES for garbage like Starfield and Fallout 76.
People would have accepted a mediocre TES VI a few years after Skyrim, circa 2016-2018, but now that it's been 13 years? Bethesda complains all of the time how "Morrowind saved us from bankruptcy" yet they continue to make executive decisions that put them in a terrible position. Namely, the most recent, is dedicating dozens of people to a space game that is boring, empty and designed like dogshit for almost a decade. Who even sees a space exploration game where there's nothing to explore and you can't actually fly your ship and says "Yeah, that won't piss people off, they'll love that".
Todd the Godd needs to go. He has proven that under solely his leadership, Bethesda has lost any and all creative direction and they need someone who's strategy isn't "what can we remove" when designing games like The Elder Scrolls franchise.
Well I think its better to have a failed starfield after 13 years of waiting after Skyrim, than a failed TES 6. Now BGS knows more than erver that they can't just use the fame of their games as a freepass, and that they absolutely need to make a good game to stay relevant.
@@Sicarius1604
The problem is that it will likely be mediocre. Skyrim was the last really good game. It also had flaws and they removed many beloved features. But it got worse and worse from game to game. Morrowind and Oblivion was their peak.
Btw. I started with oblivion, so I don’t like Morrowind for nostalgic reasons.
I genuinely don’t believe they can release anything of high enough quality to justify the wait between Skyrim and TES 6. The release gap between Daggerfall and Skyrim will be smaller than the gap between Skyrim and TES 6. I can’t imagine them making anything that will really live up to that leap.
Bethesda didn't make New Vegas. That is why it is excellent.
Funny how Skyrim and multiple other Bethesda games are more popular then...
Stupid comment. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim are amazing games and far better than any fallout game.
Lol smells like Bethesda fanboy butthurt in here
@@-UnchartedSky- never played morrowind so can’t speak on that. But the writing in both oblivion and Skyrim is like a child’s play compared to the writing in New Vegas. 99% of the dialogue in Skyrim is just for flavor and has no actual impact on the quests. Skyrim is wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle, New Vegas is extraordinarily deep in comparison.
@@Xaevryn why do you have to be butthurt or a fanboy to just believe something else lmao... 'it's my way or you're butthurt'
The soulessness of Starfield is the perfect representation of what gaming will be in the future with AI. Souless giant lands with no personality, no meaning.
I'm not convinced that Bethesda didn't heavily utilize AI to create or structure most of Starfield's content. Comparing Starfield to CP2077 or BG3 is kinda like bullying lol, but comparing Starfield to Bethesda's previous games still shows how lacking and soulless it is.
Exactly. They need to wake up
It shows laziness or half-assed effort. Sure they did reasonably with visual detail but what good is it with no story or context to back it up. Plus, they tell more than show in SF compared to even Fallout 4. Too many note pads telling us stuff instead of having environmental story telling.
@@abrahambobst4602It would help if their head writer didn't hate writers.
@@donwald3436 That's why I say the guy needs to fired.
@@donwald3436I’d love to learn more about this. How so?
I hope Skyrim 2 has a battlepass, skins and a pay-per-hour model (while also being fully priced) 🙏🙏
Elder Scrolls is their last chance to salvage their reputation. At least for me
Starfield kinda was for me. I hope es6 surprises me
@@benjaminsloan7415 I had no faith in starfield the moment they said procedural generation. If you want a Bethesda styled story then that already doesn’t mesh, also it’s harder than Hello Games makes it look so it was likely going to fail as a gimmick.
It's over, since a long time ago. Also, Sweet Baby Inc. Don't need to say more.
@@fist-of-doom487procedural generation was in nearly all their games, it was just used worse than the other games because of the sheer size.
@@merksmovies25 no, not really. Radiant Missions can hardly be considered procedurally generated.
It’s funny that you made that comparison between the Cyberpunk scene and the Starfield scene. I literally deleted Starfield after about 20 hours to start a new character on Cyberpunk. Starfield was inferior in pretty much every way.
Agree
The rpg system of cyberpunk was pretty shitty but it wasn't as bad as starfield.
@@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealmsCDPR has never made an actual RPG and cyberpunk is hardly one too. You have no significant agency whatsoever ezcept for like three quests, the ending and in the DLC ones literally every single one has a binary choice that makes it hilariously contrast with the rest of the game
I finally abandoned starfield because most of the dialogs felt like they have been written either by an 8 years old pretending to be an adult or an AI trying to simulate conversation between two human beings.
Yeah, it amazes me how there are people saying SF quests are the best writing BGS has done in awhile but if you compare it to their past efforts it's horrendous and medicore. Guess that is what happens when they favor Emil who can't write himself out of a paper bag and letting go or running off the writing talent they had due to favoring Emil.
AI would do a better job
My favorite line from Starfield: "I dont just corporations. Simple."
I beat starfield really only because Lies of P patch was delayed on gamepass. So had an excuse to beat it. Just rushed through the last half the mains tory and was done.
The main writers process is basically "Keep it simple, stupid" along with 2 more steps that i forgot, he presented this as a good writing process.
There's a video that's an hour long by Creetosis dedicated to the writer.
It feels like one of those things where the company is terrified. It looks to me like they know they can't deliver, too much time has gone by and now they are in the position of having a product, but no hardware to deliver it on. What happens if after 15yrs all we get is an updated version of last gen Skyrim, set in a sea of current gen games? What happens if the industry has moved on-in to a realm Bethesda can't compete with? Elder scrolls 5 was two gens ago, elder scrolls six was the weapon built to fight the last war, the only problem is the didn't actually build the weapon so now they have to catch up with 15 yrs of tech advancement. They wasted too much time on Skyrim, when they could've been sculpting ES6 for Xbox one, now we are on Xbox s and they have got nowhere to run, so to speak.
Something is telling me if elder scrolls 6 ever actually happens it will be a huge embarrassment for everyone, even the consumers.
Yes, it will fail. Dont even have to watch the video to answer that. Starfield was awfully lazy. Fallout 76, garbage. Fallout 4 was the beginning of the end (i did enjoy it but now, it basically needs mods to make ot worth playing).
Did you watch it at least? 🥺😂
It was fun the first play through. (Fallout 4)
@@Eden-qh4el It's a real shame that it's really only worth one playthrough. The gameplay itself is pretty damn good, especially compared to F3 and NV, but the writing, watered down RPG mechanics and voiced protagonist with a set backstory let it down. It was shockingly bug-free by Bethesda standards at launch too, at least for me that was the case.
@ryujin9568 Todd Howard specializes in illusion magic.
@ryujin9568 FNV made up for it with dialog. I never thought there was anything missing from a role-playing standpoint. Honestly, it was a masterpiece. I know that gets old, but there was tons of great content and excellent writing. But, not so much that it felt watered down.
TES 6? Nah man, I'll just keep modding Daggerfall. I'm a wanted criminal in 7 provinces, but I'm also the richest and most powerful real estate mogule in Hammerfell.
To be honest, I dont know why Todd Howard decided to do Starfield instead of Elder Scrolls 6? 🤔 Skyrim has a huge fanbase all around the world and fans including myself have been waiting for Elder Scrolls 6 for the past 10 years.
Remember E3 2018
When Todd revealed a teaser of both TES 6 and Starfield when he said it’s a game he always wanted to do and blah blah, Todd wanted it and he got it. Now we wait 3-4 years for TES 6 and it might not even have good RPG Elements or good writing/storyline it’s sad but that’s just modern gaming now
Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. With Fallout 76 they could fool themselves into thinking it was the multiplayer side of things that was the problem, but now it's clear they are very dated and just having a big open world singleplayer game with great moddability isn't enough anymore... And now they also have some new management above them with Microsoft. No clue how much good that will do.. but who knows, maybe they'll finally wake up and join the modern age.
@@captain4318Microsoft won’t do anything, they just fund the projects, they don’t take a leadership role with the companies they buy to make them autonomous. Been that way since mojang joined them apparently.
@@NobodySpotty
i have the feeling that teaser trailer was really just a shot of one of the proc gen planet's in starfield and wasn't an actual created world space for ES6.
it was meant to get people excited and it worked, but i doubt it was their actual development for ES6.
@@captain4318
i think they should just stick with fantasy, it's what they are most good at, making any other game in the creation engine with it's limitations just seems like a bad idea.
also not to mention games like skyrim were only good because the foundation of the writing was good from the first writers of the games series of the elder scrolls and they significantly fixed some gameplay aspects to work better than previous titles, Emil was only taking their previously established work and making fan fiction of it to make skyrim, and it turned out well.
it seems whenever bethesda try to make games in sci-fi that their writing goes in a funky direction and there are way to many limitations to the game's engine and what's possible in that engine to realistically try.
like they couldn't even really simulate space travel, they just skip it as if it wasn't a space game, it was a load screen simulator game, i mean arguable most of their games are load screen simulators, but they had the knowledge base and capability to simulate these things to a degree in the same engine, but they didn't because they thought it was boring, but the real reason is because the engine has to many limitations for the kind of space flight they first envisioned.
Waiting 16-18 years for a game to be finished is crazy. Looking at you Star Citizen...
I have absolutely zero expectations for it, all old veteran devs long left Bethesda latest been Kurt Kuhlmann who was the last lore head for TES on Bethesda and they fired him....
Did they ever give a reason to firing him, I'd be curious as to why.
@user-ip6wq7vr7m No idea, my guess is he opposed the studio leadership and was removed to let Emil Pagliarulo become yhe next game director.
@@Vert_GreenHeart well damn, that doesn't bode well.
@pwnomega4562 its doomed actually... i guess the good old times are over now.
I don't think Bethesda's game design is outdated at all. People would not be going back to Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind if that was the problem. Especially Morrowind which is still praised to the heavens but is objectively more outdated in a lot of ways.
No, the problem is that Bethesda has not been FOLLOWING their own game design. They have been simplifying their games and stripping out more nuance and RPG elements ever since the transition from "Daggerfall" to "Morrowind." And they have been trying to force in poorly used procedural generation ever since "Oblivion" and going on until this day.
"Starfield" isn't terrible because Bethesda's game design is oudated. '"Starfield" is bad because Bethesda isn't following their own game design principles anymore due to oversimplifying games and relying more and more every year on procedural generation for pure volume.
If TESVI returned to their roots and reintroduced the more complex RPG elements of Morrowind and Oblivion alongside the perks of Skyrim, reintroduced the nuanced storytelling of Morrowind, the creative side quests from Oblivion and started hand-crafting more things again and stopped relying on stuff like radiant quests, TESVI would be a game we'd all love.
Even if it had shit combat. Because Bethesda games have never had great combat and they don't need it. It'd be nice if they had better combat, sure. Although what counts as "better" is somewhat debatable. But that's not at all the main issue. "Fallout 4" probably had the best gunplay out of any game in the series, yet how many people prefer Fallout 4 to New Vegas? Very few. Because people don't play these games for the combat. They play them for the RPG elements, the exploration and the story.
If you strip out RPG elements, create a world full of repetitive procedurally generated crap and make the story a bunch of poorly thought out ideas connected by radiant quests you are stripping out the soul of the game. And no matter how good you make the combat or update the animations, it still will never recapture the magic of Morrowind or Oblivion or even Skyrim.
Edit: To be clear, when I mentioned New Vegas I wasn't implying Bethesda made it. I know they didn't. I wasn't saying that New Vegas is more of a Bethesda game than Fallout 4. I was just making the point that in general the people who play these games don't play them mainly for the combat, but for things like RPG elements. And that's true for both Bethesda and non-Bethesda RPGs.
Yeah i agree. Starfield did feel tho it wasnt as dumbed down as fallout 4. The exploration is why i believe people hated it. Make a beautiful world, great exploration, fun side quests, engaging factions, and a solid main quest. With just slightly deeper rpg mechnics than that of starfield .Youll have a success.
Why should we even worry about a game that isn't gonna come in the next 5 years?
Nailed it. I should've known Starfield was gonna suck once the world was revealed to be procedurally generated and not handcrafted small but dense open areas like it honestly should've been. Starfield should've been more Mass Effect and less a shittier imitator of Minecraft and a lame continuation of Fallout 4 combined
Very well said, and I couldn’t agree more. 🖖😀
Bethesda has been doing the same thing since Skyrim. Technically I couldn't even play Skyrim on my ps3 at launch. What Bethesda needs to do is realize its not 2011 anymore, they are falling way behind. Either way, hardly anyone that used to make good games at Bethesda are no longer there anyway. Plus, their engine is absolute garbage.
True
It's been happening with so many big studios for years.
I’ll return to Starfield whenever it is mod supported I’m still playing Skyrim and I will be preordering elder scrolls 6 when the option comes
They don't need to change anything. I personally think they should but from their perspective they've got fanboys who will buy anything they put out just because they liked Skyrim when they were kids (tends to be that era because people who played the older ones first seem to be less forgiving interestingly). So why would they put effort into a game or modernise when there's really no demand? Not only that people who do defend Bethesdas lack of effort always say "modders will add that" or "modders will fix that" and people just accept it. But you wouldn't keep buying the same make of car that was crap and keep saying "don't worry the mechanic will fix that". There's something unique about Bethesda fan boys in that they don't demand a quality product and Bethesda see that and they know that they can just rely on modders to in essence make their game for them because there's no demand from the studio itself
@@maxmcintyre5068 I know it's your money and you are perfectly valid to spend it how you wish but pleeeeease stop pre-ordering games, it's just an incentive for developers to release half-assed games :(
I have absolutely no trust in Bethesda these days, what with Todd's lies, the current writing staff and current engine. Imagine what we would have gotten had Microsoft not delayed Starfield another year.
They've always had very deceptive marketing
Starfield was Bethesda's chance to regain the audience they lost and they failed. How many more chances to they think they get? Every Elder Scrolls fan past and present knows what ES VI needs to be and if history is any indication Bethesda will fail to deliver. I don't know if it's because they don't have the talent anymore or they just plain don't give a shit, but something is very very wrong at that studio.
They have run-off their talent just like Bioware did.
from what I heard, starfield is "decent' but I would agree gamers don't give af about "decent-ish" games. Especially when it's a company like bethesda where the standard and expectations are justly high
@@ParallaxJack "25 years in the making" and they managed to release a game that's only decent. That's not good enough for me or most other gamers I think. Sadly, it seems to be good enough for Todd the Howard. Somebody needs to drag Bethesda kicking and screaming into true next gen territory and Todd the Howard isn't that guy. That's not to say that ES6 or even FO5 can't be done very well on the creation engine. As long as they're hand crafted games done very well and they live up to Bethesda's strengths and what ES fans expect. But Starfield on the creation engine? Oh God. If Bethesda wants to expand into that genre they're going to have to dump the creation engine. It's a Model T in a Ferrari world.
@@RichSmithify I agree
PLEASE dont make this a large endless world with AI generated crap. Just make a small map - Skyrim + Oblivion combined size, make it dense, full of handcrafted content and we will love it.
I agree with throwing AI out the window, but the world size should be much bigger than what our current Creation Engine can handle.
Although I am grateful for the fun this game gave me for the first year, it does not hold well, once you realise from Riften to Markarth, is but a brisk morning walk, compare it to canonical size, you would be jogging for six straight days and nights, minus the elevation differences. The game is low key claustrophobic 🤷♂️
If Skyrim secrets keep getting discovered after a decade, the next game (hopefully made during my lifetime) better be discoverable for a solid century!
@@Home_Richthe bigger you make the map the more empty it is unfortunately.
and just like in real life, long travels are mostly uneventful and just the same scenery repeating for dozens of minutes, getting a giant world in skyrim would just mean you have to walk empty roads for half an hour until maybe you get attacked by wolves or bandits and find a cave.
@@Ted_Kenzoku
Well what would it be like fighting a pack of Siberian wolves, rather than Bethesda's two or three dog-like wolves?
Raindrops banging on your shiny armour, puddle splashes behind you, bandit jumps you from the back; none of this "hey you, stupid" (or whatever bandits say, it's been a while) from like fifty yards.
What if each cave had a story book-worth-writing or a scenery-worth-painting? Talking about books, maybe you could finally walk and read a book at the same time!
Only regards and communists fear boredom and freedom.
@@Ted_Kenzoku
Ugh! My long ass reply got auto deleted. Thanks, CZcams.
In short, you don't know what good writing can do.
Edit: Now it appeared. Weird.
skyrim was the perfect size honestly, no need to make it much larger than that, although i expect tes6 to be a disappointment regardless of map size
Zero expectations. Likely wont even play it for 5 years or more
It probably won't come out for 5 years or more lol
@@GeneralRubiconhe meant after it releases probably
@@theshahofiran1323 I know I was just making a joke
why play it at all?
It won't fail, Bethesda has too strong of fanbase that runs on copium. They can release Starfield The Slightly "Better" Edition, and people will buy it.
Exactly.
I'm pretty sure most Bethesda fans have woken up to their lies and won't be fooled again. Then again maybe most is a bit of a stretch
Underrated comment. I play snowrunner alot, and I recently started playing expiditions, the next release from Saber Interactive. The difference is staggering, EVERYTHING in the game is calling the player stupid, I felt like I was being guided around menus and missions like I was a toddler. It's all games now, they're getting more and more simplistic, to appeal to a 'wider audience', and the ONLY WAY that makes sense from a marketing/sales perspective, is if the vast majority of gamers are sincerely Stupid. 😔 I think people with a brain are in for rough years ahead in the gaming world in general. 💀 They are making games for Idiots, because idiots are buying them. 🤷♂️
@@DeenanTheKemon1 there is still games made for people who care but they are harder to find
Yeah, but Bethesda is making their games out of unobtainium nowadays
Now it has been abundantly clear that they will use the same old Skyrim engine. Go figure the rest yourselves.
I am a 3D artist, iv worked in Unity, Unreal, Cry engine, and spent countless hours working in Bethesdas Creation engine. I am not claiming to know everything about game development, but I constantly see the creation engine used as a scapegoat for the shortcomings of BGS, and its really not the case, the engine can be modified for whatever they want it to do, its more of a lack of inovation/skill/dare I say laziness on their part as there are bugs in the engine that modders fixed decades ago and they refuse to fix them.
@@jundersplunkett2365 "decades ago" are the key words here, your own words.
@@mkatakmhave you seen the shit the creation engine can make? Dare I say, the creation engine has lots of life left; the main issue is that Bethesda doesn't actually know or is too lazy to do it.
@@jundersplunkett2365exactly, the Creation Engine allows for lots of freedom and creativity and room to work with. Seeing what modders have made on the Creation Engine, it’s a pretty good engine. But issues like optimization and bugs are Bethesda’s fault. Besides, the Creation Engine was a massive upgrade on the Gamebryo engine (i believe so), and for Starfield and their future games, they used an upgraded version of that engine. So if anything the Engine isn’t outdated and keeps improving. It’s just the developers.
@@mkatakm Yea lol, its quite frustraighting
The density in Baldur’s Gate 3 is genuinely insane. Every inch of the map has something interesting to find. There were so many moments where I thought “Nah, there won’t be anything here.” only to discover an entirely new location or get swept up in a multiple hour questline.
there are some things they can do to make it better
1. hire the old writers that worked on morrowind and daggerfall
2. make your choices actually matter
3. add actual rpg mechanics, the player shouldnt be a jack of all trades
4. give it conan exiles like combat, it would be outdated by the time of release anyway but it will be much better than the shitty combat we got in skyrim.
The jack of all trades thing is such a good point. Kills replay value
What you said here is too complicated and convoluted for modern Bethesda, they're aiming to make the most easily consumable rpg that sells like hotcakes to casuals. And instead of hiring writers they actually fired them like Kurt Kuhlmann.
I don’t really mind the Skyrim combat and the writing for Oblivion and Skyrim, to be honest i even liked Starfield’s story. (probably should get a new writer for the Fallout series though). But the other things listed are definitely needed. Just give us a good story, even if it’s pretty simple just make it good. Then allow us to make more choices that shape the main quest. Again, i don’t mind some of the lacking choices, but it would be very nice to make choices work like they did in Fallout New Vegas.
The jack of all trades is both the fault of Bethesda and gamers. Yes in elder scrolls, fallout, and starfield most players tend to default to a jack of all trades but that is the player's choice in what skills or perks they are taking or what weapons you are picking up.
They just need to hire good writers. They don't have to be the ones from the older games. I mean, that writing wasn't exactly great either. There's so many good writers out there and most of them are probably broke, lol - and would LOVE a job writing for something like Elder Scrolls. And they need some good developmental editors and people that actually know how to flush out a story and world build. The world is absolutely full of talent and yet they just won't bring them on board. It's crazy.
Paused at the beginning to type this.
Yes, they will. The era of Bethesda even being half decent has gone down the drain. Their best RPG isn't even theirs (Skyrim isn't it, it's just fun because of the mods and exploration let's be real now), and hell the best part of Fallout 4, the gunplay, was actually made by ID software.
Anything good Bethesda had was out the door with the talent that's walked out over the years.
Now hitting play.
Thanks for the watch!
Fallout 4 was a bad RPG, a really bad one. The leveling system strpped down, dialog system ruined, no real choices, etc.
BUT the world was awsome and created ith love. Starfield just sucks.
Think about it. Has bethesda ever really had strong game altering choices? I can barely remember other than maybe fo3 with the nuking of megatown.
@GeneralRubicon I see what you're saying. The closest you get to game altering choices is Morrowind. You can complete quests in any way you like
@@Spaghetti_Universe Bro obviously never played MW. He's a NuThesda fan.
Yeah TBH Fallout 4 reminded me more of a (good) Far Cry game. Awesome open world first person shooter, dubious at best RPG
The amazing thing about Skyrim is still randomly finding stuff you never saw before. Just had this happen last night, I've been playing this one section a million times and found some alternative route and stairs and I'm like, WAIT THIS HAS BEEN HERE THIS WHOLE TIME? LOL, years of not seeing that. And that still happens in Skyrim.
That plus modding is probably why it has such longevity.
Unpopular opinion: Todd Howard is what’s wrong with BGS’ development.
Disagree. I don't like TH but I think the rot runs way deeper than just him.
Exactly right. Starfield was not the game Bethesda fans wanted in the first place. It was the game Todd the Howard wanted.
Wrong, Emil is.
Don't forget that weirdo Emil.
Emil is more so, he made one good quest line in oblivion then he got lead directing roles from then on, patrician tv has a very in depth video on skyrim
I really feel the reason these games lack originality now is that reality is different today than it was 12 years ago. Fresh ideas just don't exist, and the younger generation isn't forced to think for itself anymore.
If elder scrolls 6 is not better than what modders did with Skyrim nolvus v6, then it will fail
Good to see another Nolvus gigachad
@@zacknstuff1611 Well, overall Nolvus is pretty good.
Bethesda will really hate this mod (pack)
Nolvus = big🍆 energy
Glad to see more Nolvus enjoyers
Elder Scrolls VI and all other future Elder Scrolls games managed by Bethesda are ruined for good. It's about the stockholders, not the players or even themselves.
I agree with you mostly, I will point out that what made BGS games great was their focus on the world, they use to say they put the world first, story, combat, mechanics all came after and suffered as a result, but it was a winning formula, the amount of players still playing their older games is evidence that if they simply make a fantastic world with great lore it will likely carry the game. Yes folk will complain, but the exploration and environmental story telling will be worth it.
I think thats part of why Starfield felt so lifeless. It basically had very little actual built world with everything else being procedural generation.
Story usually wins.
@@JeffThePoustman not really. If you make your game boring to play, story will suffer Greatly. People are far more forgiving of a bad story if the game play is amazing
I think the difference is from how much the gaming company loves the game they are making. As it stands, Bethesda seemingly hates video games and the people who play them.
Bethesda is not even spending much time on their game and people assume they spend like 3-6 years, but i think they just spend less than 1 year and people give them too much credit.
I don't think that's true. It's way too much corporate oversight. They have to seek approval for every decision from like 8 different levels
Don't agree with this comment at all
I remember a comment made from BGS about how the last two years of Starfield was when they actually found their drive and passion for the game and that they changed between lots of ideas before then. I don’t think they plan their games well or communicate between teams enough.
Must be delusional if u think they spend 1 year on their games
@@slopedarmoreven less? possible
The issue with Bethesda is their potential.
When a kid or a teen comes and shows you a picture, mildly impressive but janky. The shading is off and the mouth is at a weird angle, but your eyes dart around the detail in the architecture, the smiles and expressiveness in the background characters. You are blown away. "This is amazing!" You say, and they light up with joy. You can see how they will keep at it and really be something special, outstanding, one day.
But its been 20 years, that kid is 35 years old with two decades of industry experience.
They hand you a picture that looks nice, like other stuff around, great shading proportions, etc, but the eyes just aren't right, the character stands at an odd 3/4 angle, and the background isn't a vibrant city with architectural details anymore. Signs are wood with indistinct squiggles on them. You look at the background characters, they are all wearing the same outfit with minor color variations. The smiles, faces, glares all replaced with nothing but the vague shading of a face. "That's nice" you say, unable to hide a tinge of disappointment.
We used to be able to say; "There is so much potential here, i cant wait to see what they do with the next one."
No longer.
i often saw how people disregard any criticism of bethesda games with "modders will fix that". Soo it will be similar with next scrols game.
Don’t how people can say that when the modders themselves said starfield is shit ass game even they don’t want to deal with
It depends if its bad or if its starfield bad. Starfield cannot be fixed, we'd have to nuke half the game and rebuild it in our image. If todd uses the garbage "We think people will enjoy some empty planets, to just breathe it all in!" mentality we're boned again.
I am sure Bethesda will cut even more stuff from Elder scrolls 6. They have done that in every release so why change ?
Nothing will change until people stop purchase there utter garbage...
Eventually Bethesda games will just be a main menu, loading screen, and credits 🤣
@@FailBucketFilmswell they are almost there. Strarfield have tons of loading screens....
people already stopped playing starfield.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Bethesda is a complete embarrassment to the industry and they should have gone out of business years ago. But they've managed to stay afloat despite their games being increasingly worse thanks to their fans and their sh*t standards.
I want a Fallout game that is actually good, and thanks to the Bethesda fanboys my only hope are the modders.
I didn’t purchase starfield and unless the reviews for the next games are over a 95 or are overwhelmingly positive I will not be buying another Bethesda game
Fallout 4 was the start. Something about the color pallet of 3 and new vegas made the dark humor better, but now in 4 and 76 made the humor so much worse with how bright and bubbly it is. Feel like a post-apocalyptic wonder land.
They knew the game felt like a post apocalypse amusement park, that's why they had an entire dlc as just that
They don't make them like fallout 3 or new vegas anymore
Your right that was peak open world gaming
Fallout 3 and new vegas both had great immersion
Fallout 3 and new Vegas weren't all that good either.
@@TheGreatOne-gw7xhthen what was? People say New Vegas has one of the best quest branches of all time and Fallout 3 has the best open world in the entire series.
@@Drew_2152both games are beautiful
Imo, Bethesda needs to go back to their roots. Create a game that is tough, has deep RPG elements, digs into their rich lore, and isnt afraid to be absurd. Its a damn game anyway. Oblivion had its flaws, but the absurdity it played with made it shine as something unique and immersive
Too many genderbender fuuries at bethesda
Bethesda games were all downhill after Skyrim. I have to reason to expect that to change.
After Skyrim? Morrowind through FO3 (and by extension FONV) are still fun to play, but Skyrim just felt like such a shallow experience in comparison to any of those prior games. I would rather play any of those games without mods, than play Skyrim again. It absolutely baffles me that some people hold up Skyrim as the high-water mark of BGS' games, when it has been made abundantly clear to the fans of their prior games that they're moving away from making these interesting open-world RPGs, and would rather cater to a mostly casual audience; I'd even go so far as to call Skyrim a baby's-first-RPG, but that would lend credence to Skyrim being an actual RPG.
Happy news then Skyblivion and such coming our way. Skyrim probably came out at a right time and it’s not bad, imo.
@@kl10sx100%.
11/11/11, 10 minutes into playing, searching through the menus to find the option to disable cinematic kill cams and realizing I'd have mod them out -- it was the moment I knew the days of Daggerfall, Morrowind, and even Oblivion might be gone forever.
@@kl10sxI’m glad there are still people that will drag Skyrim.
Skyrim was the start of the downfall. a woefully shallow game compared to it's predecessors.
It is insane to think that Bethesda haven't produced a good game since elder scrolls 5, I wonder if they will replicate that for elder scrolls 6
I haven't watched the video yet, just answering the title. No, I do not believe Bethesda will learn anything from Starfield. We have seen again and again games go further towards the ground. Then, other companies come out of nowhere and release their masterpieces. It's sad to see these developers fall, but whatever. Anyway... now I'll watch the video lol
Hopefully you enjoy it lol
@@GeneralRubicon I did!
The Elder Scrolls is where Bethsoft thrives it will be as good as any of the last 3 Elder Scrolls (eso not included) games if not a 100 times better
@@bahamutstear1369Huffing the copium there, aren't you?
@@ShadowMage FACTS ARE FACTS
Given how well a 2010 modded Skyrim looks, Bethesda will have a lot of work to do. 😂
Whats frustrating to me is how Bethesda just continues to drop the ball at absolutely every opportunity. If they just stuck to making ES6 or the next actual Fallout game then they might actually do okay, but no. Instead, they make games like Fallout 76 and that dogshit Starfield thing. I mean, wtf happened to them?
I've been playing a fresh guy on OpenMW, IMHO Morrowind was honestly the last best Bethesda game, Great story driven writing. No Microtransactions BETHESDA started That shit, with Oblivion HORSE ARMOR., Bethesda has a history of dumbing game mechanics down for a wider mainstream audience., It gets worse and worse with every new game they release.
I agree completely
Yes, Morrowind was honestly the best game of The Elder Scroll series.
morrowind had dlc ***helmets*** it did not start with horse armor
I remember the first time I played skyrim and I was hooked and couldn't play different games for weeks. Now, I saw starfield gameplay and I instantly changed my mind on wanting to buy it
It takes a lot more things than that to make TES6 a decent game... For starters hire better writers because Emil pagliarulo is a joke. Even then they'll need a lot more work to fix their games. For example sound direction, Inon Zurr is amazing but without a good sound director he's massively inefficient. And those are just two aspects of many many thing.... I could go on and on but my point is you did not bring up the sourcr of these problems.
Base level is what I was arguing
Emil is not a joke because jokes can be both entertaining and funny while Emil is neither.
tbh i think inon zurr is not very good for games music, he has his area but hes not good at ambient background stuff a bethesda game needs, that and starfield made him look worse than he is cuz clearly he wasn’t given any sense of the series identity so it’s the most generic music possible like movie trailer music with no direction he just had to play it safe and that it is, technically good, but predictable and lacking identity
FO76 and Starfield are already indicators of what's likely to happen. Starfield is a major, major example because this game was Todd Howard's baby. What you're expecting is people to drastically change how they do things. They've been this way for many years now. FO76 came out in 2018. Starfield in late 2023. You see how they do things. Bethesda had a lot of money, manpower, time dedicated to Starfield, yet look at what we got.
I doubt that Starfield will have any impact. "Fans" will buy the next line of their favourite product.
A lot less will in my opinion
Not quite. And I'm saying this as someone who liked Starfield. I loved Skyrim, I liked Fallout 4 and I liked Starfield (it cleared the bar for me, but just barely). The quality is down, so next time they might not clear it and if they don't clear it, I'm not buying. I like BGS style games, but I want to see more in terms of innovation, more improvements to their formula. And Starfield did do some things better, but not enough. I don't know if ES6 will be good or not, I don't have any expectations either way, we shall see. If it's good I'm getting it, if not, I'm not getting it. It's that simple.
@@octavianpopescu4776I think if they over hype es6 like they did with starfield and fo76 and then continue to not deliver and fall way under the bar I think that’s what will bury them. They got big from those games and most of their market is their core fans, they can get away with it on a new ip but I think most people who will buy es6 will be Bethesda fans and I think for those people this will be the last straw
@@notsotrvgic9104 Ironically, it could be the success and expectations their past games generated that leads to their fall. Hype is no longer in Bethesda's hands, but in the fans' hands. I don't think there's anything they can do at this stage to change the perception. They're locked in. I'm not sure how much their marketing/PR could shape those perceptions. If you don't like Bethesda, is there anything they could do to get you hyped? Is there anything Howard can do/say at this point to change your mind?
Even someone like me who liked Starfield, if they come up with ES6 of similar quality... I'm not going to buy it. They must do much better, not just slightly better. I don't want ES6 to be Skyrim 2, I want a tangible, qualitative, deep advancement of the BGS style. Otherwise, I can just stick to Skyrim with mods.
The problem with bethesda is that they have not iterated their formula much at all since oblivion. The things they used to be industry leading at, have been done better many times over now and they have not risen to the competition. I’ll always have a love for fallout 3, oblivion, & Skyrim but Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, BG3, and the witcher have all slaughtered them in world building, graphics, writing, gameplay, build crafting, and narrative consequences. Hell, even final fantasy has done an open world RPG better than them now with 7 Rebirth.
Nah, the problem is that they haven’t stuck to the old formula. They have certainly changed and for the worse. Pre FO4 they had soul and creativity, then they focused on making fallout like more of a looter shooter like borderlands, that’s changing the formula.
Get Mike Kirkbride back. Maybe hire a good author like what Valve did with Marc Laidlaw. Writing needs to improve.
THIS. Unfortunately their music composer got mee too'd
Maybe they just need to feed Emil a lot of weed and acid? lol I mean it worked for Maiq....
@@donwald3436No, it won’t work. What made Michael Kirkbride so great wasn’t drugs and giving drugs to someone without an imagination won’t help them find one. Kirkbride knew a lot about mythology and has a degree in comparative religion, and that right there is why he could make such zany and interesting lore. Emil made one good quest that was full of cliches anyway, compared to Kirkbride who helped (in no small part) create a vast and expansive cosmology. Emil just needs to go
My guy, Bethesda didn't make FNV they just published it. I understand the hate that Bethesda is getting and I partially agree with it, but why are we calling Bethesda washed when they made one 6 or 7/ 10 game and it was dissapointing( mind you a new a ip).
The fact you (fans) didn't give up on Bethesda after F76 and still bought into Starfield just shows nothing will change. No matter what happens, no matter how poorly each subsequent game is made, fans will just keep buying from Bethesda/Microsoft. Though I like the video, it is pointless to pine about what Bethesda is doing wrong. Fans just don't learn. Like an addict needing that next hit, they will always seek the next one, thinking it will be better next time. pre-ordering it into oblivion.
(Yes I know F76 has been given many updates and is improved. But first impressions matter more than game companies think. Even with all it's updates the quality is still nothing compared to past games)
Skyrim properly brought them to the mainstream and that will be the downfall. BGS wants to cater to everyone now.
My thoughts exactly. It's baffling to read/watch all these people talking about how "disappointing" Starfield was. Disappointing how? The game being trash was no surprise
Bethesda, shouldn't focus on gaining fans back, but making good rpg games that are enjoyable!
Unless they have hire writers that understand the Lore and can write quests connected to the Lore the game will be a failure like Starfield. IMO, Starfield's biggest problem is the bad writing and bad lore thanks to incompentent Emil, who needs to be fired. Also, they need to continue the edginess that is in the older games like the gore and dark themes.
Rubicon: "Srarfield just seems so robotic with the npc's"
Meanwhile, skyrim: "oh, what happened? A dead body?" *proceeds to get stuck in a door*
So true 😂
They really really really need to drop the ai generated crap and endless radiant quests and make them by hand. By talented writers. Not clowns like Emil hire the guy who wrote Far Harbor because it’s the best part of fallout 4. Starfield feels like it was made by an AI program. The same 10 planet maps the same 3 dungeons with just reskinned enemies who function the same(raiders, bandits, talon co, gunners) faction quest lines that don’t do anything. Choices that don’t matter and the inability to fail.
Not condoning Bethesdas recent bad behavior, but would like to remind you that you were younger when Skyrim came out. This is also a factor in how you view newer games.
That’s a fair argument
I think as long as they make another power fantasy sandbox it’ll be hard to screw up. It’s not like Oblivion or Skyrim had good writing or spectacular combat. They had fun worlds to explore and made the power fantasy come to life. Fallout and Starfield don’t have that advantage.
I mean Skyrim isnt even a good Power Fantasy if you compare it to something like the DMC games
i feel like skyrim was pretty good in the writing, good enough to make me feel amazed back then, but yeah oblivion feels soulless to me both graphically as well as in the lore and world
There might be one thing we don't see eye to eye,being procedural generation. Like any other method, it depends how you use it. Look at Minecraft, the most popular game of the modern error. Look at No Man's Sky, gamings biggest comeback. The difference is those game have tremendous dev support and they stick with their game, and their updates are free, which isn't true for Starfield(I'm talking about their creation club content). After all, these are the people who made horse armor. I'm not hating on Bethesda, but everyone has their end at some point. Like COD with Black Ops 2 being their peak,Bethesda's is Skyrim. Ultimately, I think the corporates ruined it.
Yes they will. Todd Howard and Emil whatever his last name is need to go.
I believe the problems started as early as Oblivion, not Fallout 4. A lot of the lore in Oblivion was retconned (Cyrodiil being a temperate forest biome instead of a rainforest biome is one example). The gameplay and mechanics were dumbed down for a casual audience. With each new entry, the rpg aspect of the games just get less and less in favor of appealing to a "wider audience".
Yeah, I would have loved to see cyrodiil as a jungle it would have been so cool.
All signs point to yes
Todd Howard is the problem. The creative designers made Elder Scrolls great, not him. Even Skyrim is a lesser piece. Bring back Kirkbride and Ken Rolston ASAP. To think that Todd Howard delayed ES6 to make that pile of garbage called Starfield. Get him out of there.
Sometimes I wonder how much input over things there parent company Zenimax Media has…tho in the end the responsibility still lies with Bethesda
Probably a whole lot
Walking around the imperial city in oblivion feels so much more alive than new Atlantis. And oblivion is older than half the people who played Starfield
Starfield looks like Bethesda spent 7 years implementing DEI and, last month before release added actual dialogues, game mechanics and all the actual game stuff.
The short answer to this question is "Yeah, probably".
Been playing Skyrim for 8 years. If they screw up ES6, I'll just keep playing Skyrim.
I'm more excited for Avowed (Obsidian's Action Adventure Magical Fanatsy Single Player RPG with small contained open world) than Elder Scrolls 6.
Tell you what. There's always a chance it will end up being a bad or at least mediocre game. Obsidian is owned by Microsoft.
@@toussaintmaxwell8071 well, they have the creative freedom under Microsoft tho. Look how they got chance to make Grounded, one of most unique fun game that attracted more than 10 million players and Pentiment, which was the critically acclaimed game. That decision of making Grounded and Pentiment was solely decided by Obsidian, not Microsoft. All they need is time to finish and polish Avowed. And that will be great.
Cant talk about Starfield cause I havent played it. But Cyberpunk melee combat was so bad 😂 it looks good to watch. But it just doesnt feel good when actually playing. It feels like this game was made for 3rd person but then somebody said „No change it to 1st person but leave everything as it is“
TES6 is build on the Creation Engine. That alone is a mess. Another loading screen simulator.
I think that was more a process issue there's no reason the engine can't load larger zones, what you can't have is multiple level designers working on the same large zone.
3:09 NgL i feel like the soul less feelings started with oblivion and made itself at home but hidden in Skyrim. It took years of players looking past the immersive flavor text and innate hype planted throughout the entire game to notice the glaring holes in the plot, gane design, narrative motivations/continuity and overall character designs that poorly fill the later half of the game and engagable content. Fallout New Vegas was THE only fallout game to so thoroughly immerse the player while making a world that exists based on real world logic and immersive decisions and not out of necessity to create an illusion of player choice masked in mediocre flavor text and useless duplicate items.
Look, if Bethesda wants to make another steaming pile of shit, what can any of us do about it? DO NOT PREORDER if you're concerned! 😉
8:25 notice Royce sitting in the back and listening. He goes crazy when he hears bricks name.
This comparison is absolutely spot on 😂
If Bethesda genuinely have Gamers at heart then the best thing they can do is sell the IP.
ES6 needs to return to it's dungeon crawling fantasy life dnd simulator roots, not this lame mainstream cinematic "experience" slop. They better figure it out to because the OG creators of the ES are now making their own competitor game (Wayward Realms) and they smell blood in the water.
I'm not holding my breath for Wayward Realms, that project has been in development since 2020. However I do think that there is a market for a new western style fantasy RPG, as BG3 showed.
There are so many suggestions that could make for TES VI that in my opinion would make it a much more immersive game than what Bethesda has been putting out in the past 10 years, my first suggestion would be character creation, take inspiration from the Skyrim Mod Alternate Start live another life, and give players the ability to flesh out their characters backstory just a little bit by adding the option to choose a profession for your character that will effect your starting stats and equipment, my second suggestion would be to take inspiration from older RPG titles like Fallout and Fallout 2 and make the main questline have weight to it, make it possible to fail in multiple different ways including having an invisible timer whereby if the player doesn’t complete the main questline within a certain time frame whatever world ending event the player was supposed to prevent comes to pass and the game ends, and including a similar timer for most other quests for example, taking too long to complete a fetch quest will result in the quest giver giving up on the player ever returning so they hire someone else to complete it or do the quest themselves. Third, bring back player choice, give the players as much freedom as possible to play however they want don’t railroad players into playing a certain way by offering them the illusion of choice like in Fallout 4 where players were given choices that basically boiled down to Option A) Agree, Option B)Option A again, or Option C) Disagree but do Option A anyway.
New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda
Not the point. Still was set in a universe owned by bethesda using the same game style as bethesda games. Also the feeling of exploration gave me the same feeling
Yeah @yeticatcher1780 but new vegas was published by Bethesda lmao Obsidian was paid to make a spin off do your research its still a Bethesda game.
@@samuelvincent848 this guy is talking about games made by Bethesda dumb ass, obsidian made Bethesda so why would he bring up the world of NV being amazing when Bethesda didn't even make it, so you can't use it as an example of their past work when comparing it to starfield
@@samuelvincent848 hey man maybe just learn how to read? he just said it wasn't made by Bethesda, which is true. Unless you want to give Bethesda credit for making New Vegas, what he said isn't wrong.
I'm no Bethesda fan but if you read my comment correctly then you'd understand who developed NV and who published it, so you can't deny new vegas wouldn't exist without Bethesda like I said do your research sorry for upsetting nerds in the comments lol
Man, you have 2k followers?? This video was so good!
If Bethesda was smart, and they wanted to maintain the ability to mod the game, they should simply switch to the Unreal engine. That broken mess of the gamebryo engine they modified into the "creation" engine is a steaming pile of shit. They need to stop using it.
I've been saying this for years. Since like 2018. Nobody likes creation engine. Even their own devs are on record saying they'd rather use unreal.
Skyrim worked because it game out in the golden age of gaming. You didn't need to login through a launcher to start up the game, there was no extra content you had to pay for, games weren't bloated with excessively complicated HUDs and inventory systems, and while it had less class customization options than Oblivion it was still designed with RPG players in mind as its first and foremost audience (which actually ended up attracting more than just RPG players). It was a simple yet focussed game: you start it up and you go, and you're behind the wheel at all times, just like a classic adventure game with RPG elements.
Adding to that, Skyrim also came out in a time when games weren't being used as political tools. There were social issues which mirrored our own (civil war, dunmer refugees..) but the game always let you see good and evil in both sides. Things such as homosexuality plainly existed but were treated as normal everyday occurrences, not being put on a pedestal or being shoved down your throat to get a point across. With TES6 this just might not be the case, if it turns out to get very pushy about controversial, divisive topics such as "pronouns", references to real world elections and ideologies.
With TES6, unless Bethesda are willing to forego game design choices which have become "standard" in modern games but which nobody likes, and go back to something more simple, the game is bound to fail.
even if Bethesda will make subpar ES6, i still think people will purch-ase it. Before the game release, they would release a trailer and just ride on the hype train, and your doubts will get drowned out by people who will believe marketing. And when you going to complain that ES6 is subpar, their "go-to-argument' would be that ES5 and ES4 weren't goood games either and you had unrealistic expectations, turning the blame on YOU.
Bethesda's biggest problem is that they always want to play things safe. They've decided that there should never be content gated off due to player choices, no way to fail missions outside of dying, and no way to kill NPC's outside of curated combat encounters. That just kills any sense of replay value.
I don't get One thing.... Microsoft have bathesda and fallout IP.... And they have obsidian studio.... Why they don't made a Fallout New Vegas 2 insted that copy past Skyrim game Call avowed....😓😓
I think obsidian would refuse to make fnv2 after what happened after they made it last time. Bethesda kinda screwed them
A better question is “will they make ES6 at all?”
They really need to copy Kingdom comes homework
Or almost any other rpg. Dragons Dogma, KCD, BG3, etc.
@@GeneralRubicon when it comes to a sword and shield FPS it’s probably the best and most realistic they are 15 years behind in the combat department
Noooo but there weren't enough black people in medieval Europe!
@@donwald3436Medieval? 😅 There's hardly any black people in the Czech Republic today! 😂
TESVI would have to be 500+ Hours long, have a map the size of at least the contiguous United States, be able to run on a SNES, and come out for free AND be the greatest game of the decade for the wait to be even remotely worth it.
Also, as a Marylander, I am personally sorry for Bethesda’s conduct over the last 15 years :(
Most of these big triple-a companies have had huge layoffs as Sven Icke talked about. The people who worked on Oblivion and Skyrim are long gone from Bethesda.
2 things,
By 2027 i will never play a Bethesda game again.
Lets not forget that New Vegas is not Bethesda.
They’re gonna make it woke. Dei killed all of our beloved franchises
Tes6 will be a soulless husk without good stories in it and without any deep character systems in it.
It will shoehorn the player into a limited selection of playstyles, your actions won't affect anything and npc's will be poorly written paper boards.
Make no mistake, Bethesda's hasn't learned a single thing.
Yes
I miss when companies use to cook an actual game in one year and it came out as a full product, nowadays you pay $70 for 100 gigs of disappointment.
The biggest mistake about Starfield is the hundreds of empty planets. If they had filled 5 systems with a "small" planet in each with the amount of detail put into Skyrim and a significant emphasis on the power war between them, it could have been a very good game! Even if it means putting several empty procedural planets/moons for harvesting resources..
It's over for ES VI, Lord Rubicon but never underestimate the stupidity of gamers; they will buy it.
Actually, I'm not someone who agrees with you. But I also feel it's very important to hear other viewpoints on things like this even fi I don't agree with them. I didn't enjoy Starfield as much as I thought I would, but I still think TES 6 could be great.