Hobby Cheating 268 - How to Paint Easy Black Armor with Oils
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- čas přidán 20. 11. 2020
- In this Hobby Cheating video I take you through how to paint black armor fast and easy with oil paints. Black armor can be really tricky to get good blends that get you to a bright reflective black with acrylics, but it's easy as pie with oils. Hope you enjoy!
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Vince earlier today: oh dang, it's Saturday morning and I forgot to record the Hobby Cheating episode.
Vince, 15 minutes later: and there you go, black armour, smooth and easy.
That was the old me. :) - This was done about 7 weeks ago. :)
Dude... I've been trying to paint her for days and here you are with a life saving video thank you!
Glad I could help!
Thanks again for another simple, clear and useful video. Please do more of those with oil paints. I've been using oils for a couple of months now but there are not a lot of tutorials out there for minis painting. James Wappel and Marco Frisoni are using oils and they are great but it's always interesting to look at more different styles and approach.
More are coming for sure. :)
Between you, Marco and James I bought my oil set over the weekend and its crazy how fast results are with them
Yep, it's wonderful.
Did you just call a sister of Battle a Space Marine ? ... Jk, love your videos and talking about oil paints, please do an interview with Marco Frisoni ! He is an amazing miniature painter and very proficient with oils.
I'd love to sit and talk with him for sure. :)
@@VinceVenturella id second this for a interview with the artist video, he’s in my top two mini painters on CZcams
+1 for this!
The only thing smoother then those blends is Vince himself!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
I love when I'm planning a project and you come out with a hobby cheating video thats immediately helpful to it.
Awesome, always happy to help.
Been following your channel for years. Grateful to have learned so much in that time from you and others.
This is the video I've been waiting for, for a very long time. Thank you, Vince. For everything you're always doing to make this such a great hobby and positive space, but also for THIS video; the definitive and irrefutably, best method to making black armor look awesome.
Thank you.
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
I found your channel about 8 weeks ago. I have learned so much in that time that the models I am painting literally improve half way through painting them.
Projects I had mapped out beginning to end have been re-written top to bottom. And they are quicker, easier, and I know the end outcome will be leagues better than what I had before.
Happy to help! It's wonderful to hear that you find the techniques valuable and I am always happy to assist. :)
Thank you Vince, always the most amazing content!
My pleasure!
your oil tutorials are SO GOOD!
Glad you like them!
Oil paints brings Life to the miniatures !
Thanks Vince !👍
Always happy to help. :)
Your "secret" drone army putting in work. Thanks again to the hardest working guy in the hobby.
Thank you, glad it was helpful.
Vince you are a winner, thanks for showing us the way. This is the way
This is the way.
Love this Vince.
Thanks Donal, glad you enjoyed it sir. :)
Don’t forget to like and comment to appease the almighty algorithm 😁👍🏼
APPEASE!
Jesus Christ, that was fast, awesome as always!
Glad you liked it! Been really enjoying your channel sir. :)
@@VinceVenturella I can now die in peace, telling me that YOU enjoy it is such an honor!
Best black armor Ive seen....That means I need to dab into oils now for my ravenwing.... O,o
Great stuff as usual friend
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
That looks fantastic. My experience with oil paints was limited to weathering but I found them surprisingly fun and easy to work with. I also have an army of dark elves I was wanting to paint with black armour but have been kind of dreading to start it as I know it can be tricky to get black armor to look right. I think I’ll give this technique a try!
It's really fun honestly. :)
Thanks Vince, it's always interesting to see your methods. I'm still very much stuck in my ways with acrylic paint. Need to start branching out of my comfort zone!
Happy to help, it's fun to mess with these other mediums for sure.
I like that everything of importance in this video takes place in the bottom right 1/8th of the frame
That's what I'm usually aiming for, want to make sure that you can have other windows open. ;)
This video and my Black Templars are what finally convinced me to try oils. Here's hoping I can make it work!
You can do it. :)
Two oil paint hobby cheating videos in a row. Maybe I should actually pick some up and try this.. It DOES look much simpler and faster for a better outcome. Keep it up!
It's a game changer.
Cannot wait to try this on my old space Crusade marines!
So much fun on space marines.
Hey Vince! Big fan of Warhammer Weekly and I just recently discovered your painting tutorials. You do excellent work and your method of teaching is easy me for to understand. So thank you!!
I have a question: is the black oil being applied on top of a zenithal? Or do you still use contrast paints to base coat beforehand?
The oil paints were put on top of a zenithal that had a single coat of black contrast paint beforehand. (So to be 100% clear - Zenithal, Black Contrast, Oil Paints).
Great video Vincent! Thanks a lot! Do you think it’s possible to paint the whole minis using only oil paints? It’s there any drawbacks, aside from the driying time?
Yes, absolutely - though in general, it's just easier to use acrylics to finish certain types of small details, as always, correct tool for the job. :)
That's fantastic
Thank you, this was a fun one. :)
Not sure how I missed this one.
But now that I've seen it I'll have to buy that Black Templar box
Excellent, happy to help. :)
hey so I painted with oils and I loved it! There's so much control and I can paint until I'm satisfied with my work! The issue is that my black templar contrast undercoat is a bit too opaque so I lose my value sketch. Can I substitute a black ink with daler rowney fw paynes grey?
Absolutely. :)
Vince, using this method would you recommend doing some conventional edge highlighting in addition? If so, would you use the same oil paint or acrylics? Thanks!
Yes, absolutely and I would do them (and did do them on this piece) in acrylics. It's just generally easier to work with acrylics for very fine detail work like that.
Great video Vince, really inspiring how quickly you get that good of an effect. Quick question though: are you thinning down the oils at all or are these straight from the tube?
A little thinning with white spirits, but it's mainly spreading and subtractive on the mini.
@@VinceVenturella great, thanks! On another topic entirely, can we please get a WW on fixing Beasts of Chaos? :)
Hey Vince! Great video again! Thanks again.
Just curious. Did you paint the reds in oil as well on this model? What would you say the percentage of oil to acrylic you used over the entire model?
The reds were acrylics, because I generally find reds in acrylics really easy to blend and pop. Basically, the armor was oils, as was the skin, the rest was acrylics. :)
@@VinceVenturella Thank you, sir.
Thank you so much for this video as always. I will try this out on a chaplain! Question: what would I have to keep in mind, if I wanted to paint (black) leather with oil paints? What do I have to do differently?
So I will say leather is ont of those things I almost never paint with oils. Oils tend to be good when you want really smooth finishes. Leather is rough and full of texture and micro-abrasions, this is where acrylics shine so I tend to stick to them for this purpose.
Thank you!
Called a Sister of Battle a Space Marine on camera.... that's a paddlin'
Great stuff as always.
Paddlin' sisters? Count me in.
Well, I am sure she rides a ship around in space, so I think it works. ;)
I for one appreciate the extra screen space so I can multi task while watching
Seriously though love all your videos, I feel like you should have a patreon or something
Glad you like them! and someday I'll figure out how to stay in the center of the frame.
Cool I will use this for my Kharadron. Do you have any tips if i want red lights reflect on this black armor osl style? I guess the warm white should be a pretty good basis for that.
Yep, where i used the blue, you would just replace with a soft red.
Thank you for the video Vince! 2 questions:
1. I note that the oil paint tends to fall into the detail of the crevices. When this happens do you, more or less, dab it out with your dry brush?
2. When done and if you think the highlights are a little too punchy, is it possible to apply an oil wash combined mineral spirits or would that destroy what you already laid down? Perhaps a better option is using the airbrush and apply an ink, or highly diluted paint, filter?
Thanks again for what you do!
1) If it's falling like that, it's generally too thin, but you can always smooth it back out with a dry brush.
2) You don't want to put an oil wash over the top, even with varnish, you are likely to get reactivation to some degree. Modulating with acryllics or just starting darker would be a better idea.
@@VinceVenturella Thank you for taking the time to respond Vince. It's always very appreciated!
Looked forever for the paint brand by vince pronunciation... since I was mostly painting and listen, when the video starts.
Gave up not finding it... checking the video and as a german fellow had a chuckle. :) Should have done that in the first place.
Great video obvi. :D
Happy to help and always sorry about my pronunciations.
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Nah, don’t you worry. Was just funny to me, that’s all. :)
hi vince, my doubt about oil paint it's the after, the time for the paint to dry (how much time do you left the piece to dry?) and if it's needed a varnish after. Thanks in advance.
For oils you want to wait 24 hours for it to dry. 48 if you're working with relatively thick layers. You can varnish after, especially if you want to remove the oil paint sheen, but it's not strictly necessary. I painted acrylics over oil without any problems. If you use them for gaming, varnish is always a good idea.
Varnish is not necessary because dried oils are so strong but you can use glossy, satin or matt varnish to control the shinyness of the surface.
The answers below are spot on. I usually wait 24-48 hours, then give a good varnish with a mix of satin and ultra-matte, then the next layers of paint go down without issue. :)
Hi, I have Oilbrusher Sunny Flesh. Would that work instead of a light flesh tone? Would rather not have to lighten the Sunny Flesh, and could just pick up the Oilbrusher Light Flesh if needed.
It will work, it will be a little more yellow and warm, it won't get as bright, you might need some white light catches after, but it will work.
Hey would you recommend this for a beginner? I tried your speedy method with acrylics but this looks really easy but I've never worked with oils and have only painted a handful of models.
Oils are fun, it's always worth a try and worst case, these are great colors for oil washes or something similar later.
Hey Vince, what do you think about order of painting? I have death company intercessors and I want to paint their armor using this technique, but I'm not sure if I should base coat details before or after applying oils to armor.
I would do the armor first, using the oils, get that all set, then do the details.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks!
Hey Vince. One more...
Do you let the oils completely dry before using varnish? It’s been three days and my oils are still wet! I know that’s the nature, but wondered if varnish sped up drying time or something.
As always, much appreciate your help.
I do, but if yours are taking that long to dry, get them next to an incandescent or some kind of bulb with heat and bright light. That will oxidize it and cause it to dry faster.
@@VinceVenturella Maybe I don’t have enough white spirits in it? Would 30% be ballpark when I mix my own?
@@kellyaudia It's hard to say, but you could always try directly from the tube and see where that lands, but it should be very thin once you've removed and smoothed everything.
I have to say, i'm loving these sisters of battle models. Have you painted the Canoness Veridyan yet?
I did, I head swapped her to a more punk haircut, but I shared it on my socials some time back.
Nice effect
Thank you, :)
Do oil paints naturally take longer to dry than acrylics? Also, how do they stand up to gaming - are they more or less likely to wear over time, and if so, can I use regular acrylic varnish to make the paint job more durable? I recently tried mixing in a bit of dark purple into my black then blending in more and more grey to do black NMM, and was reasonably happy with the results, but this looks waaay quicker
Oils take a lot longer to dry but you can move them around more. Once they are fully finished you can varnish to help protect your work
So yes, these paints will take a day or two to fully cure. That being said, you can varnish them all the same (and indeed I frequently do then put acrylics over the top) and it's just fine, no drama llama.
Hi Vince, do you have a preference for a brand for oils? Wondering if I should get the Abteilung 502 oils.
I like the 502s, they are great, The Winsor and Newton Artist oils are also great.
@@VinceVenturella Are the Winton oils okay to use?
@@boltthebirb7233 Yep
@@VinceVenturella Thanks so much for the replies Vince. Really appreciate your videos!
waht kind of brown or yellow you ad to the armor on the "show" pic. (last whole Figure)? reflection from the button i think...? :)
Sure, so the orange glow was a little bit of orange and mostly burnt sienna.
Hey vince, I see you and many other youtuber mini painters and starting to move more and more towards oil paints. Do you think this is the general way mini painting is going to go? Do you have a video on prepping and usage of oil paints? may grab some to try over the holiday times but not really sure where to start.
Check out the Not Just Mecha channel. Marco has been using oils and inks for years and has some very informative videos to hold you over until Vince gets one out
So yes, I do. I have several videos on oil painting and miniatures, here is sort of a catch all - czcams.com/video/-ha32I_iJPM/video.html
Nice!
Thanks!
Did you thin the paint with spirits? If so to what consistency? I'm going to try this myself
Yes I do, generally until its workable.
@@VinceVenturella thanks, I suppose one could use the same technique on other space marine armor. As long as you got the color right.
Wow...I just did this, it really is easy... would oils work well for white?
Yes, they make whites so much easier. :)
Would this work with most oils? Say blending reds over yellow/orange highlighting. Never mind just saw ur previous vid on blood angels 👼 any oil Color this technique doesn’t work on?
Nope, you can adapt this to basically anything.
With a new deathwatch set, this is super timed
Happy to help. :)
Can you use normal varnishes over oils like you would acrylics?
Yep, once they are cured it's exactly what I do.
How long should one wait for oil painted miniatures to dry typically?
Generally about 48 hours at least.
i think i have trouble thinning it down properly - i watched your other oil videos as well but i cant seem to get the paint to stick to the mini as much as i like, its splotchy and i fear going too thick, ive spent about 3 hours on a full figure with varying success - i think im erasing some of my work but the zenithal highlight beneath turned out to be a detriment to me as if im removing paint it becomes difficult to see. for the moment im going to let it dry and give it another go tomorrow. I think imma do it this time :)
It can be tough, one of the keys is you want to paint on the miniature, it’s okay to be thick, you just need to spread it around and thin it out.
@@VinceVenturella yeah i think i figured it out now :) now that i am more comfortable with it , i greatly enjoy the fact that oils allow me to play with light placement for an extended amount of time - something i struggle a lot. this is going to be a great practice :)
I have some oil paints but they dry kind of shiny compare to my go to scale 75... Nice advice as usual
I always do layers of ultra matte varnish once my oils are dry to matte them out and get rid of the shine. :)
Well dang ill have to try this for my Slave to darkness
Glad it was helpful. :)
I'm actually starting to find a nice way to paint black armor using black primer, grey zenithal highlights, grey drybrushing and then hitting it with dark contrast paints like leviadon blue or terradon turqoise depending on the sheen you want the armour to be. So far, I'm not unhappy with the results.
Nothing wrong with that at all, very much like my previous painting black video.
I’ve got a Darth Vader mini that this looks perfect for!
Excellent, happy to help :)
This looks pretty great. But I am super happy I decided to paint my SoBs in bloody rose colors... Oils scare the hell out of me lol.
Well, Reds are much easier in black (and I think it's a cooler scheme you're doing anyways. :) )
Would you be able to list the paints and thinner that you used?
Ivory Black, Copper Oxide, Light Flesh (but those exact colors don't matter, you could switch around to any tones near those and get a similar effect). The thinner is Gamblin Gamsol White Spirits.
Done it again.. v for venturella
Always happy to help.
A six minute video?? WHAAAT?? Great video though, love this technique.
Glad you liked it! :)
Hope white spirit + oils dries a lot faster than Turpentine (and, hopefully, smells less vile...)
Gamsol from Gamblin is where you want to go with White Spirits, there is no odor, and you're talking about a 24 hour drying time in most cases.
@@VinceVenturella Marvellous, thanks for sharing!
Maybe its my settings but does the first blend look more silver to anyone? Guess I better try watching this one again on a different machine.
It's an optical illusion because my painting light was reflecting the wet paint. Oils are really shiny when wet.
Has anyone tried walnut oil instead of white spirits? Universities are heading to that option to save art students' braincells.
Havenb't ever tried it, but I use Gamsol from Gamblin, it's odorless and about as safe as white spirits ever can be (for something quite toxic).
@@VinceVenturella Thanks man, Marco F says he's used it, but there are better options, I'll try Gamsol! Thanks Vince