Hobby Cheating 268 - How to Paint Easy Black Armor with Oils

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  • čas přidán 20. 11. 2020
  • In this Hobby Cheating video I take you through how to paint black armor fast and easy with oil paints. Black armor can be really tricky to get good blends that get you to a bright reflective black with acrylics, but it's easy as pie with oils. Hope you enjoy!
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Komentáře • 163

  • @kobold_ts
    @kobold_ts Před 3 lety +25

    Vince earlier today: oh dang, it's Saturday morning and I forgot to record the Hobby Cheating episode.
    Vince, 15 minutes later: and there you go, black armour, smooth and easy.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +12

      That was the old me. :) - This was done about 7 weeks ago. :)

  • @nyleen
    @nyleen Před 3 lety +10

    Dude... I've been trying to paint her for days and here you are with a life saving video thank you!

  • @juliethibault9940
    @juliethibault9940 Před 3 lety +9

    Thanks again for another simple, clear and useful video. Please do more of those with oil paints. I've been using oils for a couple of months now but there are not a lot of tutorials out there for minis painting. James Wappel and Marco Frisoni are using oils and they are great but it's always interesting to look at more different styles and approach.

  • @jostonpowell1346
    @jostonpowell1346 Před 3 lety +4

    Between you, Marco and James I bought my oil set over the weekend and its crazy how fast results are with them

  • @XTr3m3b4sh
    @XTr3m3b4sh Před 3 lety +10

    Did you just call a sister of Battle a Space Marine ? ... Jk, love your videos and talking about oil paints, please do an interview with Marco Frisoni ! He is an amazing miniature painter and very proficient with oils.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +2

      I'd love to sit and talk with him for sure. :)

    • @donaltaylor5311
      @donaltaylor5311 Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella id second this for a interview with the artist video, he’s in my top two mini painters on CZcams

    • @druidobianco9734
      @druidobianco9734 Před 3 lety

      +1 for this!

  • @RtRt-wf9sx
    @RtRt-wf9sx Před 3 lety +17

    The only thing smoother then those blends is Vince himself!

  • @CypressPunk34
    @CypressPunk34 Před 3 lety +1

    I love when I'm planning a project and you come out with a hobby cheating video thats immediately helpful to it.

  • @solairelordran3032
    @solairelordran3032 Před 3 lety

    Been following your channel for years. Grateful to have learned so much in that time from you and others.
    This is the video I've been waiting for, for a very long time. Thank you, Vince. For everything you're always doing to make this such a great hobby and positive space, but also for THIS video; the definitive and irrefutably, best method to making black armor look awesome.
    Thank you.

  • @southerngrey
    @southerngrey Před 3 lety +1

    I found your channel about 8 weeks ago. I have learned so much in that time that the models I am painting literally improve half way through painting them.
    Projects I had mapped out beginning to end have been re-written top to bottom. And they are quicker, easier, and I know the end outcome will be leagues better than what I had before.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Happy to help! It's wonderful to hear that you find the techniques valuable and I am always happy to assist. :)

  • @shitstormbringer
    @shitstormbringer Před 3 lety

    Thank you Vince, always the most amazing content!

  • @nelsonfalsetegarcia397

    your oil tutorials are SO GOOD!

  • @jorey4565
    @jorey4565 Před 3 lety

    Oil paints brings Life to the miniatures !
    Thanks Vince !👍

  • @13Robzilla
    @13Robzilla Před 3 lety

    Your "secret" drone army putting in work. Thanks again to the hardest working guy in the hobby.

  • @Nono-yw6rz
    @Nono-yw6rz Před 3 lety

    Vince you are a winner, thanks for showing us the way. This is the way

  • @donaltaylor5311
    @donaltaylor5311 Před 3 lety

    Love this Vince.

  • @ger5956
    @ger5956 Před 3 lety +10

    Don’t forget to like and comment to appease the almighty algorithm 😁👍🏼

  • @Zumikito
    @Zumikito Před 3 lety +1

    Jesus Christ, that was fast, awesome as always!

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Glad you liked it! Been really enjoying your channel sir. :)

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella I can now die in peace, telling me that YOU enjoy it is such an honor!

  • @christosvozikis881
    @christosvozikis881 Před rokem

    Best black armor Ive seen....That means I need to dab into oils now for my ravenwing.... O,o

  • @markgnepper5636
    @markgnepper5636 Před 3 lety +1

    Great stuff as usual friend

  • @rrekrut
    @rrekrut Před 3 lety

    That looks fantastic. My experience with oil paints was limited to weathering but I found them surprisingly fun and easy to work with. I also have an army of dark elves I was wanting to paint with black armour but have been kind of dreading to start it as I know it can be tricky to get black armor to look right. I think I’ll give this technique a try!

  • @stuartmc4422
    @stuartmc4422 Před 3 lety

    Thanks Vince, it's always interesting to see your methods. I'm still very much stuck in my ways with acrylic paint. Need to start branching out of my comfort zone!

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Happy to help, it's fun to mess with these other mediums for sure.

  • @petergusev999
    @petergusev999 Před 3 lety

    I like that everything of importance in this video takes place in the bottom right 1/8th of the frame

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      That's what I'm usually aiming for, want to make sure that you can have other windows open. ;)

  • @CrovanBlaze
    @CrovanBlaze Před 3 lety

    This video and my Black Templars are what finally convinced me to try oils. Here's hoping I can make it work!

  • @the_elder_medium
    @the_elder_medium Před 3 lety +1

    Two oil paint hobby cheating videos in a row. Maybe I should actually pick some up and try this.. It DOES look much simpler and faster for a better outcome. Keep it up!

  • @r1ck5m1th
    @r1ck5m1th Před 3 lety +1

    Cannot wait to try this on my old space Crusade marines!

  • @Caseyw462
    @Caseyw462 Před 3 lety

    Hey Vince! Big fan of Warhammer Weekly and I just recently discovered your painting tutorials. You do excellent work and your method of teaching is easy me for to understand. So thank you!!
    I have a question: is the black oil being applied on top of a zenithal? Or do you still use contrast paints to base coat beforehand?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      The oil paints were put on top of a zenithal that had a single coat of black contrast paint beforehand. (So to be 100% clear - Zenithal, Black Contrast, Oil Paints).

  • @grizorstars
    @grizorstars Před 3 lety

    Great video Vincent! Thanks a lot! Do you think it’s possible to paint the whole minis using only oil paints? It’s there any drawbacks, aside from the driying time?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Yes, absolutely - though in general, it's just easier to use acrylics to finish certain types of small details, as always, correct tool for the job. :)

  • @caps8419
    @caps8419 Před 3 lety

    That's fantastic

  • @StormcastMarine
    @StormcastMarine Před 2 lety

    Not sure how I missed this one.
    But now that I've seen it I'll have to buy that Black Templar box

  • @PhthaloGreenskin
    @PhthaloGreenskin Před rokem +1

    hey so I painted with oils and I loved it! There's so much control and I can paint until I'm satisfied with my work! The issue is that my black templar contrast undercoat is a bit too opaque so I lose my value sketch. Can I substitute a black ink with daler rowney fw paynes grey?

  • @cireesco
    @cireesco Před 3 lety

    Vince, using this method would you recommend doing some conventional edge highlighting in addition? If so, would you use the same oil paint or acrylics? Thanks!

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Yes, absolutely and I would do them (and did do them on this piece) in acrylics. It's just generally easier to work with acrylics for very fine detail work like that.

  • @davidbrault7680
    @davidbrault7680 Před 3 lety

    Great video Vince, really inspiring how quickly you get that good of an effect. Quick question though: are you thinning down the oils at all or are these straight from the tube?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      A little thinning with white spirits, but it's mainly spreading and subtractive on the mini.

    • @davidbrault7680
      @davidbrault7680 Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella great, thanks! On another topic entirely, can we please get a WW on fixing Beasts of Chaos? :)

  • @kellyaudia
    @kellyaudia Před 3 lety

    Hey Vince! Great video again! Thanks again.
    Just curious. Did you paint the reds in oil as well on this model? What would you say the percentage of oil to acrylic you used over the entire model?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      The reds were acrylics, because I generally find reds in acrylics really easy to blend and pop. Basically, the armor was oils, as was the skin, the rest was acrylics. :)

    • @kellyaudia
      @kellyaudia Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Thank you, sir.

  • @Critical677
    @Critical677 Před 3 lety

    Thank you so much for this video as always. I will try this out on a chaplain! Question: what would I have to keep in mind, if I wanted to paint (black) leather with oil paints? What do I have to do differently?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      So I will say leather is ont of those things I almost never paint with oils. Oils tend to be good when you want really smooth finishes. Leather is rough and full of texture and micro-abrasions, this is where acrylics shine so I tend to stick to them for this purpose.

    • @Critical677
      @Critical677 Před 3 lety

      Thank you!

  • @maph12
    @maph12 Před 3 lety

    Called a Sister of Battle a Space Marine on camera.... that's a paddlin'
    Great stuff as always.

    • @abelbabel8484
      @abelbabel8484 Před 3 lety

      Paddlin' sisters? Count me in.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Well, I am sure she rides a ship around in space, so I think it works. ;)

  • @dallathedark
    @dallathedark Před 3 lety

    I for one appreciate the extra screen space so I can multi task while watching
    Seriously though love all your videos, I feel like you should have a patreon or something

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      Glad you like them! and someday I'll figure out how to stay in the center of the frame.

  • @le_chimp
    @le_chimp Před 3 lety

    Cool I will use this for my Kharadron. Do you have any tips if i want red lights reflect on this black armor osl style? I guess the warm white should be a pretty good basis for that.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      Yep, where i used the blue, you would just replace with a soft red.

  • @inigomontoya6968
    @inigomontoya6968 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for the video Vince! 2 questions:
    1. I note that the oil paint tends to fall into the detail of the crevices. When this happens do you, more or less, dab it out with your dry brush?
    2. When done and if you think the highlights are a little too punchy, is it possible to apply an oil wash combined mineral spirits or would that destroy what you already laid down? Perhaps a better option is using the airbrush and apply an ink, or highly diluted paint, filter?
    Thanks again for what you do!

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 6 měsíci +1

      1) If it's falling like that, it's generally too thin, but you can always smooth it back out with a dry brush.
      2) You don't want to put an oil wash over the top, even with varnish, you are likely to get reactivation to some degree. Modulating with acryllics or just starting darker would be a better idea.

    • @inigomontoya6968
      @inigomontoya6968 Před 6 měsíci

      @@VinceVenturella Thank you for taking the time to respond Vince. It's always very appreciated!

  • @crimsontietv
    @crimsontietv Před 3 lety

    Looked forever for the paint brand by vince pronunciation... since I was mostly painting and listen, when the video starts.
    Gave up not finding it... checking the video and as a german fellow had a chuckle. :) Should have done that in the first place.
    Great video obvi. :D

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      Happy to help and always sorry about my pronunciations.

    • @crimsontietv
      @crimsontietv Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella
      Nah, don’t you worry. Was just funny to me, that’s all. :)

  • @aleg.5462
    @aleg.5462 Před 3 lety +2

    hi vince, my doubt about oil paint it's the after, the time for the paint to dry (how much time do you left the piece to dry?) and if it's needed a varnish after. Thanks in advance.

    • @RieksVisser
      @RieksVisser Před 3 lety +2

      For oils you want to wait 24 hours for it to dry. 48 if you're working with relatively thick layers. You can varnish after, especially if you want to remove the oil paint sheen, but it's not strictly necessary. I painted acrylics over oil without any problems. If you use them for gaming, varnish is always a good idea.

    • @KrullMaestaren
      @KrullMaestaren Před 3 lety +1

      Varnish is not necessary because dried oils are so strong but you can use glossy, satin or matt varnish to control the shinyness of the surface.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      The answers below are spot on. I usually wait 24-48 hours, then give a good varnish with a mix of satin and ultra-matte, then the next layers of paint go down without issue. :)

  • @Abominus69
    @Abominus69 Před 2 lety

    Hi, I have Oilbrusher Sunny Flesh. Would that work instead of a light flesh tone? Would rather not have to lighten the Sunny Flesh, and could just pick up the Oilbrusher Light Flesh if needed.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 2 lety

      It will work, it will be a little more yellow and warm, it won't get as bright, you might need some white light catches after, but it will work.

  • @PhthaloGreenskin
    @PhthaloGreenskin Před rokem

    Hey would you recommend this for a beginner? I tried your speedy method with acrylics but this looks really easy but I've never worked with oils and have only painted a handful of models.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před rokem +1

      Oils are fun, it's always worth a try and worst case, these are great colors for oil washes or something similar later.

  • @vladelagin5292
    @vladelagin5292 Před 3 lety

    Hey Vince, what do you think about order of painting? I have death company intercessors and I want to paint their armor using this technique, but I'm not sure if I should base coat details before or after applying oils to armor.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      I would do the armor first, using the oils, get that all set, then do the details.

    • @vladelagin5292
      @vladelagin5292 Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Thanks!

  • @kellyaudia
    @kellyaudia Před 3 lety

    Hey Vince. One more...
    Do you let the oils completely dry before using varnish? It’s been three days and my oils are still wet! I know that’s the nature, but wondered if varnish sped up drying time or something.
    As always, much appreciate your help.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      I do, but if yours are taking that long to dry, get them next to an incandescent or some kind of bulb with heat and bright light. That will oxidize it and cause it to dry faster.

    • @kellyaudia
      @kellyaudia Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Maybe I don’t have enough white spirits in it? Would 30% be ballpark when I mix my own?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      @@kellyaudia It's hard to say, but you could always try directly from the tube and see where that lands, but it should be very thin once you've removed and smoothed everything.

  • @zipzap6294
    @zipzap6294 Před 3 lety

    I have to say, i'm loving these sisters of battle models. Have you painted the Canoness Veridyan yet?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      I did, I head swapped her to a more punk haircut, but I shared it on my socials some time back.

  • @chucklamb3496
    @chucklamb3496 Před 3 lety

    Nice effect

  • @benjamincliman2735
    @benjamincliman2735 Před 3 lety

    Do oil paints naturally take longer to dry than acrylics? Also, how do they stand up to gaming - are they more or less likely to wear over time, and if so, can I use regular acrylic varnish to make the paint job more durable? I recently tried mixing in a bit of dark purple into my black then blending in more and more grey to do black NMM, and was reasonably happy with the results, but this looks waaay quicker

    • @jostonpowell1346
      @jostonpowell1346 Před 3 lety

      Oils take a lot longer to dry but you can move them around more. Once they are fully finished you can varnish to help protect your work

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      So yes, these paints will take a day or two to fully cure. That being said, you can varnish them all the same (and indeed I frequently do then put acrylics over the top) and it's just fine, no drama llama.

  • @boltthebirb7233
    @boltthebirb7233 Před 3 lety

    Hi Vince, do you have a preference for a brand for oils? Wondering if I should get the Abteilung 502 oils.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      I like the 502s, they are great, The Winsor and Newton Artist oils are also great.

    • @boltthebirb7233
      @boltthebirb7233 Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Are the Winton oils okay to use?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      @@boltthebirb7233 Yep

    • @boltthebirb7233
      @boltthebirb7233 Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Thanks so much for the replies Vince. Really appreciate your videos!

  • @alexanderk.7782
    @alexanderk.7782 Před 3 lety

    waht kind of brown or yellow you ad to the armor on the "show" pic. (last whole Figure)? reflection from the button i think...? :)

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Sure, so the orange glow was a little bit of orange and mostly burnt sienna.

  • @Alex-mo6zy
    @Alex-mo6zy Před 3 lety

    Hey vince, I see you and many other youtuber mini painters and starting to move more and more towards oil paints. Do you think this is the general way mini painting is going to go? Do you have a video on prepping and usage of oil paints? may grab some to try over the holiday times but not really sure where to start.

    • @jordydavis6642
      @jordydavis6642 Před 3 lety

      Check out the Not Just Mecha channel. Marco has been using oils and inks for years and has some very informative videos to hold you over until Vince gets one out

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      So yes, I do. I have several videos on oil painting and miniatures, here is sort of a catch all - czcams.com/video/-ha32I_iJPM/video.html

  • @finkmonkeyful
    @finkmonkeyful Před 3 lety

    Nice!

  • @davelogeman
    @davelogeman Před 3 měsíci

    Did you thin the paint with spirits? If so to what consistency? I'm going to try this myself

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 2 měsíci

      Yes I do, generally until its workable.

    • @davelogeman
      @davelogeman Před 2 měsíci

      @@VinceVenturella thanks, I suppose one could use the same technique on other space marine armor. As long as you got the color right.

  • @dallathedark
    @dallathedark Před 3 lety +1

    Wow...I just did this, it really is easy... would oils work well for white?

  • @Davejimjr
    @Davejimjr Před 3 lety

    Would this work with most oils? Say blending reds over yellow/orange highlighting. Never mind just saw ur previous vid on blood angels 👼 any oil Color this technique doesn’t work on?

  • @BB-pn2qv
    @BB-pn2qv Před 3 lety

    With a new deathwatch set, this is super timed

  • @MikeScarbro
    @MikeScarbro Před 3 lety

    Can you use normal varnishes over oils like you would acrylics?

  • @sstinger0137
    @sstinger0137 Před rokem

    How long should one wait for oil painted miniatures to dry typically?

  • @arodreth
    @arodreth Před 11 měsíci

    i think i have trouble thinning it down properly - i watched your other oil videos as well but i cant seem to get the paint to stick to the mini as much as i like, its splotchy and i fear going too thick, ive spent about 3 hours on a full figure with varying success - i think im erasing some of my work but the zenithal highlight beneath turned out to be a detriment to me as if im removing paint it becomes difficult to see. for the moment im going to let it dry and give it another go tomorrow. I think imma do it this time :)

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 11 měsíci +1

      It can be tough, one of the keys is you want to paint on the miniature, it’s okay to be thick, you just need to spread it around and thin it out.

    • @arodreth
      @arodreth Před 11 měsíci

      @@VinceVenturella yeah i think i figured it out now :) now that i am more comfortable with it , i greatly enjoy the fact that oils allow me to play with light placement for an extended amount of time - something i struggle a lot. this is going to be a great practice :)

  • @bodotrenaud7441
    @bodotrenaud7441 Před 3 lety

    I have some oil paints but they dry kind of shiny compare to my go to scale 75... Nice advice as usual

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      I always do layers of ultra matte varnish once my oils are dry to matte them out and get rid of the shine. :)

  • @cannedsnow4511
    @cannedsnow4511 Před 3 lety

    Well dang ill have to try this for my Slave to darkness

  • @elmirBDS
    @elmirBDS Před 3 lety

    I'm actually starting to find a nice way to paint black armor using black primer, grey zenithal highlights, grey drybrushing and then hitting it with dark contrast paints like leviadon blue or terradon turqoise depending on the sheen you want the armour to be. So far, I'm not unhappy with the results.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Nothing wrong with that at all, very much like my previous painting black video.

  • @hobbithubby5076
    @hobbithubby5076 Před 3 lety

    I’ve got a Darth Vader mini that this looks perfect for!

  • @RyanSandorRichards
    @RyanSandorRichards Před 3 lety

    This looks pretty great. But I am super happy I decided to paint my SoBs in bloody rose colors... Oils scare the hell out of me lol.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Well, Reds are much easier in black (and I think it's a cooler scheme you're doing anyways. :) )

  • @themanabroad7800
    @themanabroad7800 Před 3 lety

    Would you be able to list the paints and thinner that you used?

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Ivory Black, Copper Oxide, Light Flesh (but those exact colors don't matter, you could switch around to any tones near those and get a similar effect). The thinner is Gamblin Gamsol White Spirits.

  • @billybishop2858
    @billybishop2858 Před 3 lety

    Done it again.. v for venturella

  • @austinwalsh5007
    @austinwalsh5007 Před 3 lety

    A six minute video?? WHAAAT?? Great video though, love this technique.

  • @sebastienlovescookieswirlc

    Hope white spirit + oils dries a lot faster than Turpentine (and, hopefully, smells less vile...)

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +1

      Gamsol from Gamblin is where you want to go with White Spirits, there is no odor, and you're talking about a 24 hour drying time in most cases.

    • @sebastienlovescookieswirlc
      @sebastienlovescookieswirlc Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Marvellous, thanks for sharing!

  • @LegionaireSiggi
    @LegionaireSiggi Před 3 lety

    Maybe its my settings but does the first blend look more silver to anyone? Guess I better try watching this one again on a different machine.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety +2

      It's an optical illusion because my painting light was reflecting the wet paint. Oils are really shiny when wet.

  • @noahwilson422
    @noahwilson422 Před 3 lety

    Has anyone tried walnut oil instead of white spirits? Universities are heading to that option to save art students' braincells.

    • @VinceVenturella
      @VinceVenturella  Před 3 lety

      Havenb't ever tried it, but I use Gamsol from Gamblin, it's odorless and about as safe as white spirits ever can be (for something quite toxic).

    • @noahwilson422
      @noahwilson422 Před 3 lety

      @@VinceVenturella Thanks man, Marco F says he's used it, but there are better options, I'll try Gamsol! Thanks Vince