War Thunder - The B-29 Experiment
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2019
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In this video, we attempt 10 fly outs at the B-29's new repair cost. Thankfully the B-29's tail was made a bit more structurally sound then what we have in-game...
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Love the vids Bo, I've been away for awhile because I went to Europe for a month and my phone broke while I was there- BUT! I am back! Keep the gut gut videos up my friend!
I’m gonna buy something just for the logo and support lol
does this link work for PS4
@@lukeprivette3831 I do not believe so.
@@Onnbbb-3 There is a new Spintires coming out next year that I would love to get something out on. Most of the games that I wanted to put on the channel either delayed or come out next year. Dead Stick, Red Dead 2 is coming up, Microsoft Flight Sim X, GTFO, there is a new swat game, etc.
Bombers in War Thunder are like lizards, they drop their tail when being attacked by predators.
DJ you... I don’t like that analogy but you aren’t worng
"attacked"
Not hit
Yeah thats true, bus bombers die when match starts.
Cus for some reason you're visible from 20km, so 2-4 enemy planes are already at you.
ah yes, the usual Gaijin "Balance applied via hammer" routine. they only needed to fix the Yer-2s that were ruining air matches by bombing bases out in the first five minutes but instead they nuked the survivability of every bomber in the game. and this was what, 4 years ago? actually closer to five of six now come to think of it because I was still in college when it happened. and its never gotten better.
Repair costs should be a quarter of this I swear
@@sawyerawr5783 I remember the times when bombers actually could take a hit and still be fully operational. Now you can't even throw rock at them without half of the plane just exploding in front of you.
wtf
cummunity: please reduce the repair cost on the B29
gaijin: increases the repair cost
.....
It’s expensive but bomber spam is annoying. Especially when they climb to space and never intended to fight.
@@kodihale6914 than they should limit the amount of bombers per match not punish people for playing bombers. Id rather have to wait 5min to get into a match than lose 60k sl each match.
@@lukebakeis6687 i stopped after i lost to much money because i died everyround and now its just worse....
to be real, i get shot down everyround because the physics of the game is unrealistic and instantly breaks the whole rear of the plane when something hits it
@@kodihale6914 well if they climb up to high they will run out of fuel or bombs
@@kodihale6914 they already limit it in 4 bombers, it isn't spam anymore
also in almost every br there are cappable climber fighter / interceptor
Apparently despite the amount of money spent on developing the aircraft, the tail received the least amount of research dollars.
They thought to wing nuts would be enough.
Peter Banderas every bomber ever lmfao
No no, the tail received the most! Unfortunately, it's because dollars are all that's holding the tail together.
B17........ Every fucking time
What's weird is the elevators falling off was my only complaint about the B-25, and it seems like they fixed that since I last seriously played it. I don't know why they still do this bullshit nerf to other bombers.
I remember when bombers were hard to shoot down, they could soak up a decent amount of ammo unless you took off a wing... Now days their flaps and tail fall off if you even sneeze in their general direction. >_>
Exactly! That was realistic, 5 .50s are not going to throw a real heavy bomber into a flat spin. I also wish you could cut power to specific engines to stop fires.
You can.
Aegis 13 u can with manual engine controls, in the full real controls
@@acesians4652 Yeah I figured that out a while ago.
There's something interesting with the B-25 though, a friend and I tested how much it would survive from a single BF-109 E-3, and if shot anywhere that wasn't the tail, it could soak up some 20mm shells/a lot of 7.92, but if a single 7.92 so much as grazed the tail section it would fall off
I sure wish our defensive.50s were as good as their offensive .50s.
@Right Right german 13mm are the same as italian 50s. Wet noodles
I wish ai gunners wouls exist
And shoot at enemy further than 50 m.
And hitting enemy that at least is flying straight.
I wish german planes didnt rip both wings, tail, controls and controls sufraces with one bullet.
Doge what do you mean German planes ripping? The Germans planes rip other things apart, way too easily. If that’s what you mean. This game is completely broken none the less
@@drytishuuz y. Getting shot by german plane means u will die in 0,1-2 sec.
(if u didnt die, u cant control the plane, hf)
your offensive 50cals are already op so as a Japanese player I don't want defensive 50cals to be op as well
"How important is a tail?"
_Waldo_ Air Realistic Battles 2019
That was historic battles, not realistic...
CounterProductive It was realistic game mode
I remember when the B-29 was really effective for grinding planes. You could make like 60k a match and quite a lot of rp. Now it's "lose half a mil in 10 battles simulator"
I think it was good to pay to be a good bomber pilot, it is slow, boring and high risk compared to a fighter anyway. It is also less glorious than swooshing around in a one-seater.
If the enemy defends well and stop your bomber, sure, you should lose your silver, but if you get bombs on target?
@@57thorns You mean the 5 do-335s that spawn just under your altitude and all swarm you like mindless drones every match?
And no matter what there will still be idiots complaining that bombers killed them
@@ng1593 long enough
Hello I know I’m late. It still like that? I am already at half of the b29 research I mean I got 40k researched of 70k
I just like to think about that historical image of a B17 with the tail hanging on by hopes and dreams and making back to a friendly airfield. Everything in war thunder is made of rice paper or something equally as durable.
Yup.
For these shitty devs, bombers skeleton can be completly cut in half by couple hits... Realism 10/10.
game developers are Russian, the bombers are probably made out of babushka's chicken coop....
@asaeampan Bullshit, the worst mission ever flown by the B-17 was the 2nd schweinfurt raid in which 77 of 291 aircraft were destroyed or 26% loss rate, the worst in the war was B-24s over the Ploiesti oil fields who endured 53 of 177 aircraft destroyed a 30% loss rate.
KamikazKid actually, if we’re talking loss rates, the worst bomber mission was the Doolittle Raid, which had 100% loss rate
Ya but when I try to bring down a pe8 with my 5.3 seafire I do nothing and get rip out of the sky
With the amount of metal crashing into the ground the squirrels will be able to create their own B-29
so thats how the tu4 was built? by soviet squirrels
@@geoff-lukebihler6157 squirrels: comrades we will finally get revenge on the TBLF for destroying our beautiful trees, for mother Russia
Bo : oh no...
@@SabertoothedFrostbite On the upside the squirrels will be completely bankrupt.
@@forcea1454 But happy Comrade
@@forcea1454 and hungry
Special thanks to Hambone for coming up with this idea and putting in the time and silver lion sacrifice to make this project happen.
Bomber gameplay in air RB isn't satisfying to begin with, let's cripple everyone's fun by soul crushing repair costs
Thanks again for doing this for us
Its ok Bo, just get the Cobra Kings out. But for real, T4 Air RB is dumb early jets pick these apart
Thank you Hambone for the "painful" sacrifice(s) you made to make this happen.
And thank you Bo for showing us this.
and Waldo coming in and being a 3rd data point
You may have lost your tail, your wings and your silver lions, but at least it was entertaining. Great work Bo and crew!
It was for science.
*Research Purposes yes, but fun!*
Not to mention sanity
If my math is right on the cost of buying Golden Eagles and converting them into Silver Lions, then over the course of only _10_ battles Bo lost $3.61 and Hambone lost $8.24 (USD)
So to play only 10 battles it cost Hambone the equivalent of about of month of premium time.
"Hambone lost an estimated 2 Million Silver Lions in spading this vehicle for this video": That comes out to $33 in repair costs.
This is of course not counting the time spent out of the day, all the frustration gained and all the sanity lost for playing a bomber on top of the financial cost.
Now think how many battles a normal player would be playing, or how many these guys probably have to go through to get footage for a single video.
Thank you all for your sacrifices and commitment. It is appreciated.
D:
@@Hambone001 :c
I watched you edit this from start to end yesterday and this still hurts to watch just because of all the SL lost. F for Hambone's wallet and Bo's sanity. Keep fighting the good fight Bo, I believe in you.
I did aswell, keep up the good work!
Maximum Inferno dammit I missed that stream! Those are some of my favorite streams.
"Based on our market research, this is totally fine" -Gaijin
Maximum Inferno Now imagine being broke and not having the million silver lions like they do
@@callan7468 Don't you worry I've been trying to get the object 279 spaded and using the IS-7 with its stupid repair cost
74k SL
Bo: a small price to pay for salvation
@@A_burls B-29's don't realy win game though so no freedom there.
@@jakobc.2558 They never do. U need 4 (or 3 and 1 other bomber) to "solo" end match.
As u saw, u die from 10 hits.
If u dont die, u cant fly. So u die.
Hf.
every time the B-29 flips over or starts floating into space, In the Arms of an Angel plays
Also, huge amounts of thanks to hambone and waldo for their help with this project.
😊q
Kinda want to start a miniseries called "The Wild And Sometimes Cowardly Adventures Of Hambone"
As soon as I saw the notification for this I went
“Ooh!”
Me too
SonOfFudge K
Doc H.
Go away you
SonOfFudge you son of a fudge
Anthony Sayegh
Oh my
Seeing that the plane was "Kee Bird" I felt a little bit of sadness and then a whole lot of rage. Kee Bird was a 29 that they had rescued from a glacier, but instead of taking it apart and transporting it to a museum, the guy in charge decided he'd be Indiana Jones, and try to FLY IT OFF the glacier. The plane caught fire from a craptacular jury-rig they had in the back, burst into flames, and the whole airframe was destroyed.
:(
They had no choice the glacier was about to melt and sink the b29 for good.
It’s a shame it didnt survived but at last they tried everything to save it
Isn't there only like 2 flying 29s left in the world? Its really kinda sad
A terrible end for a great bird.
Someone died from a blood clot there too
Strange... the more advanced the bomber, the easier it seems to shoot them down (cf. the Privateer). It's like the bombers increase in power arithmetically but the fighters increase in power geometrically.
Also, what the blue hell is wrong with the B-29's tail? It seems to fall apart if an enemy fighter pilot just looks at it the wrong way!
It's almost like there might be issues with balance... but it might be just me and my lack of premium vehicles. Dunno.
This is primarily due to Gayjin's intentional dismantling of any effectiveness in regards to bombers.
They were most effective at grinding for SL, and Air RP.
*They did this intentionally to fuck the game's economy so people would buy more shit.*
It worked, evidenced by the fact youtubers like bo and phly continue to support the game readily.
Instead of y'know, calling them on their shit.
@@KnightofDark00180 or it's to need something op.
@@jimmyjohn6504 bombers were never Op. They're called heavy bombers for a reason, they were meant to take hits.
@@mcmactheaveragesunbro8741 to be fair at this time I have no idea why I commented this so I can't make a proper respone.
I love the B-29, but Gajijn gave it a hard no with that repair cost. I have mine mostly modded out, and it just became to expensive to fly. Bo, this video came out of nowhere, and I quite like TBLF + Bombers.
0:02 - War Thunder physics at it`s best...
The B-29 should have a lead indicator for aircraft, since the real life one had one.
The best part is that they’re consistently killed by American premiums in air RB
Constantine Blastos I still don’t get why Americans verse americans
Thats a grace. If it would be DO 335's they wouldnt even have the slightest chance.
@@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 for the same reason axis verse axis since tier V... "balance"
That’s because there aren’t enough players anymore for actual realistic battles with axis vs allies. Especially in higher tiers at least not for planes. Sometimes you get lucky with tanks but even there Iv seem more and more mixed games lately. Why do you think they finally combined the Chinese servers with everyone else. It’s because their game is dying because of shit like this and instead of fixing it they are just giving more premiums so that the idiots with more money than sense can drop buckets of money on a game that will be lucky to be alive in a year or or two if they don’t fix it.
@@josephburge168 which is actually wrong. It's because the T2s were dominating so hard that Gaijin in their infinite wisdom forced axis VS axis/Allies vs Allies only.
Huh I didnt know that the b-29 project costed more then the Manhattan project thank you for teaching me something new :D
Some estimates put it at over a 1/3rd more expensive. We are talking an additional Billion.
@@botimegaming jesus thats alot of money but also bo thank you for making the amazing content that you do and for always making me laugh!
Bo Time Gaming and that’s a billion in 1940’s dollars too.
@@botimegaming Wow. Here I was believing that Bletchley Park, the Moon program and the Manhattan project were the three most expensive projects during WWII and the Cold War, but I suppose any military project costs mora than those.
Shows how insanely expensive (conventional) weapon systems are to develop.
A new bomber? Going to the Moon? Cracking the Enigma? Guess what, the first one is the most expensive.
@jonny j Then when it got to war they literally didn't use any of the super cool advanced features, lol. They discovered at altitude they couldn't hit shit because of the jet stream and high winds aloft, so they put extra bombs on and flew low level. They ditched the computer controlled guns and ammo for more bombs. The new engines incorporated magnesium parts and had a nasty habit of overheating and catching fire, which then couldn't be put out.
B-29 Super high repair cost and bugged tail that can be destroyed by 1 bullet
BALANCED!
"Should be able to make more SL when dropping their bombs"
Well the B-29 was specifically designed for flying at extremely high altitudes, at around 32,000 feet to be specific. Earning the name "strato-fortress" it flew so high to avoid enemy aircraft (mostly because most war thunder fighters would take ages to reach the hight)
Your squadmates should be able to use your turrets when observing
You both lost more silver lions then I've last and gained in the 2 years of play in this game
How do you gain so little?
@@potatofuryy i got only 314k SL
@ A month old comment which responded to a 7 month old comment at the time. Shove it, keyboard warrior.
@ Ikr, i say knowing i am mainly american
@ stfu we just don’t want to hear it
The b29 had a computer connected to the turrets that automatically calculated the lead and elevation needed to hit an aircraft, meaning you could directly aim at a plane and not have to lead your shots, a computer did it for you
Yep.
But gaijin doesn't want bombers to be effective, primarily due to them being the #1 grind vehicle you could rely on more often than not to bring in an exceptionally high amount of SL and RP.
Thus prompting a massive increase of repair costs, and decrease of overall stability for the entire bomber class across the game.
This, of course, was to intentionally drive up costs for the bomber itself and the bundles they sell, and force people to pay more, or leave the game.
Worked, due to the fuckshit people seem to allow gayjin to get away with.
They added that system for some jets. But not b29.
No they definitely did it for the b29 I think it was the first
So realistic DM the elevator is always gone for some reason.
Gaijin: "Its just works"
Also you forgot to say that they reduced the rewards aswell
I hope y'alls silver lions recover, and y'all are crazy for trying this. Also I really like this change of pace with this experiment.
I'm sorry to ask this question like this, but at 10:58 in the video where can I find the Economics tab? I can't seem to find it.
@@dot8470 There should be a little envelope button on the bottom right of the game I think it's a tab in that
im not saying you’re in the wrong, but like….. the dude is a whale, he’s rich, he buys premiums to make youtube videos about them, he could play ONE match and get 150k SL out of it, you’re hoping a whale can recover from spending SL…. it doesn’t matter what he spends, he can just buy more SL.
Great video, and a needed lesson on game economics being applied in the wrong way. I was in the Air Force from 1971 to 1991, and was stationed in Alaska twice at the beginning of my service. That arctic paint scheme brought back a lot of COLD memories. Thanks to you and your team for this video. o7
The price tag for bombers is what kills my war thunder wallet.
Yeah, and their pretty fun too but they just aren't worth it.
I see no has learned from the American PB4Y-2 failure in the intro...
Every time TBLF does anything slightly more than unplanned chaos, it ends horribly.
Do it more.
B-29 The financial loss simulator.
A friendly reminder to all B-29 and Tu-4 pilots: Turning off auto repair can potentially save you 70K SL per week: The plane will repair over time, and if you decide to finish repairs early when they're 50% done, you only have to pay 50% of the repair cost. The free repair time is still very long, but there is no penalty in SL or time spent for immediately repairing it yourself after a match if you wish to fly it again. There is no reason to force yourself to pay that much extra SL if you are still hurting for SL
Exactly, and it's really helpful for people like me who decide to not play on weekdays cuz online school sucks the life out of me, so when I get back on by Friday, all my planes will be fully repaired and I'll still have my 250k+ SL that I managed to gather by using every plane at my disposal in the Swedish, (tier 4) American, (tier 2) and German (tier 4) trees with auto repair off
And I particularly like using Hawks (P-36) in the American tree cuz of the low repair cost and repair time, immense firepower and good maneuverability, I can get a good 2k in SL for every RB game I play
Two years later, I'm still grinding low-level vehicles, but armed with this tip will save my ass. Thank you.
Hambone seriously needs a remedial flight training course or consider adding blinkers to his crafts to avoid further incidents.
More IL-2 battle of stalingrad videos pls
"Everybody hates safety" You have no idea how true that statement is. Haha
That was one very expensive start
lol I quit WT years ago because of this shit, glad to see some things in this world are unchanging.
CapitalRoach Just uninstalled today. Feels free.
I’ve had more fun in War Thunder with the dynamic campaign then I have with the online.
I only play for event giveaways now. Boats got better now too, still not perfect. Destiny 2 is free. Lol
I uninstalled during the Battlefield Engineer grindfest event in April and haven't played since. Still like watching Bo & friends play though.
@@sebastianjohansen2142 Same here left the game, when the removed the Flakpanzer 341 and fucked the Bombers even more
6:19 Those magnificent men in their flying machines sure do know how to entertain.
I know I'm a little late on this, but aren't B29's called "Superfortress", cause it's not really looking like a fortress anymore in WT, more like a wet paper airplane
this makes me so upset. if your going to make bomber repair costs so high that fine, but at least make it so they can survive a bit more than what they do currently. its nuts.
This silver lion loss must take Hambone quite a while to recover from. Thank you for your sacrifice
The amount of metal from all those B29 parts and smelted Silver lions could allow the Germans to mass-produce the E-Series
Bo this video was amazing to watch and personally I would love to see a video with the most SL earning plane. I was not aware how much you lost by playing a B-29
Wow , this really shows how harsh the economy in this game can be. I have stopped at level 3 as for me , it becomes unsustainable past this point.Great videos guys , many thanks.
I saw how long you streaned the making-of (of) this video yesterday. The amount of work you put into these videos is enormous: thank you!
ps:
I love the B-29 - but I love my SL more.
The B-29 is one of my favorite planes to fly, despite the billion dollar repair bill. I do land sometimes and rearm when it's safe but more often I ed up flying up into the stratosphere and make the enemy fighters come to me. Fully spaded and with combat flaps out at a 10 degree climb, she can climb up really damn high really damn quick.
A few years ago I bought a 1/72 Airfix model of the B29 ,your colour scheme is just the one I have been waiting for, thanks BO!
it's strange to see the final product after tuning in for the edit yesterday. though as always it's a great and funny video as expected from our all time Favorite Bo Time Gaming. Keep up the good work Bo, we saw you loose your sanity though we also watched you pull through.
Whenever the TBLF crew gets a "bad idea" you know you're in for a good time.
pilot: *sneezes*
every bomber: *w i n g c u t l o o s e*
F for Kee Bird. RIP in peace.
Oh this tally thing sounds awesome! Can't wait to see it play out
Thank you for reminding me not to take this plane out. I had it in my lineup, had the mouse hovering on to battle but at the last second I remembered how much my ass hurt the last time. You gentlemen are true martyr's and saints. We shall enshrine you in a glass coffin and throw shots of whiskey into our eyes in remembrance.
Bo, you Ham and Waldo are absolute legends! I gave up on the idea of playing the B29 a long time ago, and really enjoyed watching you guys play it. I too am confused by the economic balancing attempts, and hope that Gaijin can find a better way to balance the game.
If they haven't found a way by now, they never will.
Man that Kee Bird paint scheme both makes me very happy and very sad.
Awesome camo on the B-29 Bo. And also rip your SL.
Good job.
Great experiment.
"Kikka alert!" "That thing doesn't exist! (but it did!)." Minoru Genda would be so disappointed.
Flew one time, crashed on second takeoff.
@@praetor678 So?
this was one of the most entertaining war thunder videos i have seen, keep up the great work!
0:19 about to die....
TACTICAL BEATBOX ON!!!!!!!
14:02 - "Enemy gunner is unconscious" maybe Hambone is a Spy!
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@@Hambone001 lmao
No 20 mm in tail? Love the video and it reminds me to stay below tier 4 lol
At least if you want profit.
Hey Bo. Just wanted to come by and say thank you. Your content allways helps me with rough days. I watch every video you load up and everyone is pure entertainment. Thanks. Keep up the amazing work. Greeting and all the good luck from Switzerland:)
So many mergers happened in this videos. Love you guys. Great video as always!
That looked painful, but you guys and Hambone stayed positive throughout all of it, great video
"Hello hambone, hambone?"
"AAH!!"
*BOOM*
this is gonna be a good episode
Reason they needed all those silver Lions to repair the plane is to use them as plating in the repairs
Damn the B-29 is squishy! Seems like it's covered in "made in China" decals.
Well times when bombers were literal bullet sponges are long gone....
Bo and friends, with one of the most expensive aircraft in the game.
Bring it on!
Fantastic video guys, fun to watch as always and I really loved that 3 or 4 minute blip at the end. Really speaks on the way the devs run or (fail to run) the game. In fact I don't even play war thunder any more, but I still love watching your guy's stuff on it. Anways keep up the good work and keep fighting to good fight
Hey Bo love the camo on your b-29. I loved the PBS documentary on the Kee Bird. It was always sad at the end
Watched the editing of this video and damn does the SL lose hurt. Such balancing means are not fair to those who play such aircraft.
A special thanks to Hambone and Waldo for sacrificing their SL to the cause. Their pain is our entertainment.
A good, funny and informative video Bo and team.
I just rememberd I have a snap-together model of the plane
Does it too snap in half at the lightest touch?
@@snowylynx36 I have one. One of the elevators likes to fall off.
@@epion660 Well played sir.
this is like comedy gold, not only fun but shows how hilarious the repair costs are
B-29 normally: *the pyre maiden of the skies*
B-29 in War Thunder: *the lamest Air Force sponsoring of a Six Flags rollercoaster*
I think every player with a level bomber should get the 3 ai wingmen in normal air rb like in the single missions and mission editor. Since bombers are limited to 4 per match
It would be More realistic too
Bo, Hambone and Waldo, YOU MADLADS!
Gaijin: "Let's make WT more immersive."
Also Gaijin: "The Pilot *always* pays for the plane."
Thanks for trying out a new format, it's like a top gear challenge and it would be great to see more like these (but perhaps less expensive) again
As we all know, B29 liberator's body and tail are stick together with glue
and flextape
With how they make these prices its almost like they think Bombers aren’t Made of glass.
B-29 and Tu-4 are now the multimillionare's toys.
I loved how informative this was about the game. fantastic as always Bo!
Gaijin is clearly trying to force us to use Golden Eagles to get Silver Lions.
Is this just the B29 or are all the heavy Bombers like this? I really love the B17 IRL, but is it worth grinding for?
0:21
I love the sputtering noises they make when they were about to merge.
Waldo was not happy with me after that, and proceeded to stay far away from me the rest of the time ;(
As much as it costs to repair, that thing should be a literal flying tank... not loosing it's tail the second a BF-109 sneezes on it. Thanks for the vid!!!
Saw this video title and was like... Tap it!!!!
"I'M ALIIIIIVE"
i have been rocking the decal on almost all my vehicles since it was first available. keep up the content buttermilk pie
Watched this video countless times, got to be one of the best on the channel, please do some more bomber videos! Keep up the awesome work!👍🏻👍🏻