Is GM Really Building a 8.3L Duramax? *The Powerstroke and Cummins Killer*
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We don't need bigger diesel engines, we need realistically priced trucks that last longer than the loan !
Don’t take out a 10 year loan then loser.
Very true.
Alright, 200k truck coming right up.
Only if you don’t haul anything. Bigger engine, heavier chassi and brakes, heck yes!!
This would help with longevity as it would be like diesels of old making peak power just off idle. Oh and it would help lower N0x emissions even further.
These new trucks already cost nearly as much as I paid for my house. I can't begin to imagine the price of this new model. It would have to be $120k starting price.
thats what i was thinking it would be
More, that wont even get you a raptor.
Way more than 120. The new 2500 L5Ps are 125 alone. Out the dealer these will easily be 165k.
@@user-bq5cy4vk6s IDK where you are shopping. i live in ny and my electriction just got fully loaded 2500 95k, absolutely absurd on price but not 125
Just love how humble you are man. Please never loose that. Don't know how many channels I've seen that feeling lost when they get big. Glad your son is doing good now man. Can't imagine. You all take care. ALSO!!!!!!!, You should do some 3.0 content man. Those trucks are super popular. I have one and love it.
Shoulda called it "SUPERMAXX", cuz you'll be imprisoned in a payment plan for several years. 👮♂️
I got a friend that's on the duamax line for gm for 25 years he told me it's a go its already on the bench
Yes your dildo is in the works be patient, enjoy your skittles and Blessings to you - Stay Safe
At the end of the day a pickup truck can have all the power but the frame and axes are only so strong
And frames can be engineered and there's plenty of axels out there that can handle the power...
@@spectrumofreality in a 3/4 ton truck lol still only so much
That’s were a conversion kit from Edison Motors will come in handy. With towing and having the best of both worlds. Diesel generator and electric drive power. Go Edison Motors!
Kodiak trucks have had a straight 6 Isuzu based Duramax 7.8L at least 20 years ago.
That was an inline 6, and it was straight Isuzu. Supposed to have been a good engine.
@@holsteinsanddiesels7758 tool truck has one 20 yrs plus old and still going strong!!
They need to move away from v8 diesels
Josh Cummins actually did the r and d for Mercedes on that 8.3 and was in freightliner medium duty trucks but those engines were known to eat bearings before the 6.7 Cummins was put into the medium duty freightliner trucks
I will NEVER let go of my Lb7
Same
And u shouldn’t. The lb7 is like the 12 valve. True million mile truck. First most reliable common rail built. The only thing prone to fail on the truck is injectors. Which they fixed. Take a lb7 do the 6 speed valve body upgrade. U got a gem. My lb7 with a 6 speed intake exhaust and ego live would do 25mpg hiway with 35s and I’m not exaggerating. I’d drive it from northern ut to Vegas regularly on less than a tank. Almost 500mile trip.
@braylinbateman4369 don't forget the crank.... I have several '06's and as I pick away at rebuilding two of them to have a new truck ready to go when needed, the cranks are slotted and keyed instead of the damn dowel pin OE set up
Agreed! If we got our GM Dana King Pin 60 back, we’d all be content!
More horsepower and torque than several of the first few semi trucks I owned.
Shiny 290 🇺🇸🦅
Check out what Edison Motors in Canada are developing for diesel trucks. A diesel generator that charges a battery that powers motors. That could be the future because there's no downtime with waiting for batteries to charge
I've got 2 8.1 gassers and love them they pull like freight trains. A duramax 8.3 would be sweet but is it needed? To be honest I see way too many people hauling way too big of loads for trucks. Anything much over 30-35k is where you really should be using a much heavier truck then a HD pickup. Will they haul yes, but anyone who has ever towed something much heavier than your tow vehicle knows what I'm talking about not all roads are smooth sailing. If a person can handle towing it's not a problem, but too many that think they can and end up in a heap of trouble. I'm all for more power but the tow ratings are getting to the point where a cap needs to be set. If not in a few years it will be 45k+ loads and if the trailer brakes go out on a long down grade that pickup truck is not going to hold it back. Definitely GM needs to bring back the solid front axle probably there biggest mistake was going IFS on medium and heavy duty trucks.
the 8.3 will not have to work as hard to make better power than the 6.6... and create less emissions... or so they say...
100% agreed. Like seeing a Montana Van pulling a26’ RV with 3 Bicycles on his rear bumper and 3 kids in the back seat.
I have a 2024 dually pro I got for ranch hauling hay last summer was hauling over combined rating it was very impressive power and handling with that load braking for what your hauling was pretty darn good
Lol 😁 😆 🤣 I think the big 3 needs to focus on reliability rather than just building a bigger motor that most Americans never use or need and just drive it on the pavement as a daily. Also let's not forget the ridiculous over priced rip off demands for these trucks..... just all around disappointing. Dont be surprised if we hear some bankruptcy reports, again.....
8.3 mega max gonna be ripping transmissions and rear ends apart. I want to see a tuned and deleted one
You know they'll be doing alot of tq mgmt for warranty purposes
Dang can't wait to actually see one.... wonder if Gale Banks and Oshkosh had something to do with this he has talked about some really cool top secret stuff.
Ford Godzilla is 7.3. 6.8 is the smallest gas motor offered in Super Duty now.
Thanks I should have said that in the video
The 6.8 V8 is a Godzilla, same engine design, smaller displacement.
@@WBOS72 nobody calls the 6.8 the Godzilla, but thanks for chiming in.
@@cstgx Actually nobody call the 7.3 godzilla either, lol.
@@mrhrobinson you are incorrect
Exactly why I’ll NEVER get anything above an LMM. Mine is at almost 280k miles and not major issues yet. Shit it still have the stock front end and I’m on 35x12.5x20s. Of course it’s on a diet and efi live
I love all the videos bro keep up the good work
Hey truck master I have a 06 lbz with some huge injectors I bout it with and was winger what’s the best parts to get more air to the truck I think it’s drowning in fuel
I'm a first timer, and just subscribed. I love diesels, but I own a '12 2500HD Ext Cab Silverado. I saw the "8.3", that's how I got here. Be easy on me, within the last year I heard GM was redesigning a gas engine to 8.3 LT. In GM confusing things, that's LT as in 1 step above the LS, like the 2 valve Corvette new(er) LT with better water jacket/more/higher flow, and a couple other improvements over the LS. 510 cu in, 600hp, 600 tq. That was at the time, then Ford came out with the big gasser w/i 6 months of that. If they took the old 500, applied the latest LS/LT tech, that would be perfect for me! Every day driver, 20 mpg big hp/tq, and it would be the standard engine for 2500/3500. With the 8 spd auto ZF and 4.11/4.56 it would be a respectable weekend tow rig also. My 6.0 LS w/6.auto and 3.71 tows quite well for what it is to start with. Just passing info. Peace --gary
Thanks for the info Gary
I'm speaking for those who own diesel trucks, that us guys would like the newer trucks to be free of emissions that choke off the engines. I see that it costs thousands and the cost of the Def fluid, just more that the EPA wants to control us.
The only reason DEF is needed it to keep NoX emissions down. The only reason the NoX emissions are high is the power being produced is very high creating high temperature cylinder gasses. The only reason the power numbers are so high is because the big truck makers have been in a HP and Torque war since International put a turbo on the 7.3. The only reason the auto makers pushed for higher numbers is because that's what truck buyers voted for with their wallets.
DEF is a consumer created problem. It's not an EPA created problem.
Bigger engine making less power and you will not need DEF and you'll hit the noise and emissions requirements with todays injection control systems combined with a simple catalyst in the exhaust stream.
Your request is only reachable with lower power and larger engines: the exact opposite of the high power smaller engine size that is being pushed across all manufacturers.
@@btwbrand not close to true. bigger equals less, but its deffenately the EPA controling things. That really comes down to how you vote. Democrats are why were here, and people of this country is why we have Democrats. Republicans arent any better. We need America. Anyways, youll always gonna be seeing DEF, EGR might go, but DEF is only the begining. control control control. Stand up people and fight back. Start with voting. Get new faces, America loving people. not corporate assholes.
If you take the hp/tq made by the 6.6 and extrapolate it to 8.3 you get 565hp and 1257 tq
Multiply by EPA and government Bureaucracy and then let me know what it comes out as.
Will the trucks come with a self-lifting cab so maintenance will be less difficult?
My prediction is that this may be another gm/navistar collaboration, the biggest complaint I hear from people on the navistar side is that there are essentially no options for their medium duty trucks like the MV series just the 6.7 cummins with a max hp option of 280 or something I believe. And the CV with the L5D is underpowered, so I think if the 8.3 is real it's going to be incorporated in the medium duty line up like the chevy 5500 and international MV/CV series trucks as an alternative for customers that want something with more power.
Love that you watch TFL 🤘
And here I am with my humble 2004 Dodge with a 2003 5.9 in it, lol. It's still a great truck, and I'm not trying to haul 30k. My daily is a 10k tool rig, and it sure works great for that.
Is not about being a killer, its about the fact that the 6.6 is maxed. The 8.3 will put out same power, but at a lower rpm.
Not even close to maxed!
He has no clue
Its about emissions and lower rpm. Same power at lower rpm for less smoke is what they are aiming for.
@@ShadowOppsRC Can only go so low in the rpm. The trucks transmission won't let it hit max torque that low. It will down shift
@@countcuda70depends. I bet they add an electric hydraulic pump to keep trans pressures in check at lower rpm.
What? I have 2 8.3 4 stroke Fuel pinchers in my 50’boat. They are from 1985. These were common in commercial trucks and buses. They made the head bolts to short and they failed. It’s exciting.
Here in the Colo rockies ive seen a few masked duallys pulling goosenecks with big concrete blocks chained down with Illinois mfgr license plates .... Some one is testing something
Interesting 🤔
@@TruckMaster i drove i70 parachute to Denver daily and 1 or 2x a week ill see these 2 on i70 between denver and grand jct pulling the the passes and out on rolling hills of the western slopes
It is easier to meet emission with the bigger motor, they probably won't increase HP too much, probably just match ford at 1200 TQ . They need a bigger gas than the 6.6, they could build something off the ZZ632 crate motor, just drop it down to 565 Cubes.
Bring back the big block trucks.
Yup. Definitely beef up the truck frame and suspension. For people who tow all the time, it would be amazing. Solid front axle, beefed up frame, upgraded suspension. Amazing.
I think they need to go hybrid.
Small diesel running generator. Like Edison motors did.
May as well just buy a Semi Truck!
You can't legally haul that much anyways. So what does it matter?
My old work truck is a 2021 with 6.0 gas and averaged less than 6 mpg. My new 2024 6.6 gas and Allison averages 12 mpg and the new truck carries a heavier full time load. Bigger displacement uses less fuel for the stop and go. It would make since for 8.3 to use less diesel.
EPA hates diesels. I would love it if GM builds this! 🇺🇸
GM should build it and it would sell like hotcakes. But like the old saying goes built by Americans, loved by Americans and hated by democrats
Am 8.3 would be cool to see. I am happy with my L5P , plenty of power and torque for my needs.
I heard that going with an engine that size could reduce the amount of emissions equipment that’s required, I don’t know if I believe that because semi’s have to have plenty of of emissions equipment too 🤷♂️
I like my old 5.9. And even get along ok with the 6.7 which really didn’t add anything to it. Proper gearing on the transmission is the most important factor. Making all these bigger and badder motors that don’t really add any more capability if your needing something bigger get a 5500 or something. You can get a lot more weight moving way faster than breaks can control
Ford and Cummins already has big diesels… for quite sometime now. They just haven’t been implemented into medium-light duty vehicles
I am 4 time Ford Guy But Love your station! I will continue to subscribe
I appreciate it
First time listener but love it and looking for more I have a 2018 chevrolet 2500hd Duramax LTZ and would love to get MORE INFO I will be listening and watching
Welcome!
I wish my 23 Colorado Trail Boss had a front axil like the 70s 80s 4x4s with a 4x4 shifter in the floor instead of a dial!
There is a guy with a first gen s10 SAS with a lb7. It eats the fullsize trucks up and always a good laugh when he posts pictures of towing dozers around in a lwb ex cab square body s10.
I feel like they would probably put it in the 45, 55, and 6500 trucks. Idk
The ford 3.5 eco boost twin turbo had the same torque 410 and hp 325 as a big block. But the torque low you don’t need to down shift up the hill on the freeway. Plus’s you can get 20 mpg. But they need to work more on reliability LOL keep my finger crossed.
gm likes to make truck engine lines that stick around awhile. 8.3 is probably tested for 600hp to check reliability but would ship with 525hp (just my guess) and incrementally improve over the next several years.
Is it going to be reliable or more complicated junk?
Cummins made the ISC 8.3 liter 6cylinder that was available in Freightliner M2106 and other medium trucks. It was up to 360hp and 950lb/ft torque all the time. Then when 2010 emissions came out Cummins dropped the 8.3 in favor of the 9 liter ISL available up to 450hp and 1250lb/ft torque still as we speak.
That’s wild that a single cab dually pickup can tow in the ball park of a semi truck.
my sentiments exactly it will definitely change the Hot Shot Market and take some of the semi rigs loads with a smaller footprint HOA will let you park it in your driveway!!!
I have the 8.1l gasser with allison trans.. i get 9mpg towing my 10k travel trailer. I wanted a diesel but it is cheaper to maintain, gas is cheaper and I've heard the newer diesels getting low teens mpg towing.. so i don't think I'm doing to bad.
I think the big 3 will try the diesel/electric option.
What kind of fuel milage would it get the 2023 is only around 11 to 12 miles a gallon that's the best I've gotten
What are you doing with the truck??? I get 14-15 doing stop and go driving around the city and 16-20 on the highway
other than military and commercial vehicles, I don't see it being practical because it will drink a lot of fuel. And the first thing that came to mind when I see Cummins with 8.3l diesel are the LAV-300 and LAV-600
No one needs a 8.1 the 6.6 has more than enough you already can pull enough to need a cdl to do it with no problem and if you modify a 6.6 you don't need the power unless you want to break shit all the time
What is the deal with GMC Main seal. Anyone know
Ya and the price is $285,000 with a 18% interest interest rate where do I sign? Thx
🤣😂 Good one!! dont forget to add the $20,000 Gooseneck upgrade package!
I would think that they would aim at a hybrid like the Ford F-150 hybrid only with a mid sized diesel engine and an inverter to run a trailer or at a construction site.
$185k BASE PRICE 3500HD crew cab dually. Work truck package. Add $40k for fully loaded.
dont forget to add the extra beer/cup holders for $250 upgrade accessory
Hell yeah!!! They build it I will come with cash in my hand. They should put it in the medium duty and not de-rate the 8.3l...or at least give us the option for a high output in the medium duty trucks 4500/5500/6500
This reminds me of the muscle car wars for horsepower that the big three had in the 60s which was ultimately killed after 1970 by who other than the good ol’ EPA. If GM is looking for that next big bump, there’s no replacement for displacement!! My guess would be a price tag of 120K..
Can I have that in a new Yukon XL 3500 Please.
Thanks!! 👍🏻
6.6 has plateaed imo…looking at Reliability, less taxing, able to pass emissions and put up good numbers
Lower revs equals economy but they need a hybrid electric for acceleration to get massive feul savings ,
That will be great of they do build a motor that size nice
Straight axle ?? Launching frost heaves? Straight axles suck... In my back, neck, and bodys Opinion...
Could you imagine if someone did a 8.3 L ho v10 twin turbo diesel
Weather it be cummins, powerstroke or duramax would be interesting
Why did you choose to paint that truck Sunkist it will stick out for sure 😂
Because it is his truck.
For the haters 😂👍
A 8.3 liter Cummins is known as the C series. I’ve seen a lot of them in medium duty trucks and RVs.
They better put a good transmission because that transmission is weak compared to the Allison 1000
Being a Ford guy, Good job GM for keeping the diesel market alive!!! I’m pretty sure if this is true I’m sure ford will come out with something. Take that Elon Musk!!!
yessir, but I feel "The Blue Oval"seems to compete only if needed, I feel they will run the tried and true 6.7 as long as the market share and loyal customers stay loyal because as some one mentioned in an earlier post "you can only put so much power in a small pickup", until someone push the limits on weight and loose control on the expressway! I am the owner a SD550 and SD250 and I Do not and will not tow over 25,000lbs on the roads even if the truck can handle it, but its the fools that cut you off and the dead stop fools the truck has to be concerned with. fordnation.
The current duramax can perform better using aftermarket like banks that wake the torque up & arguably improverd reliability as well as adjustable leaf spring helpers & or air bag helpers theres always options just figure out which ones work vs a bunch of hype
you have to love how the price for trucks has gone up compared to the wage of working class. remember that when they post record earning each year.
Just my personal opinion gm should have never went away from the straight front axle. I would be interested to see a 8.3 duramax
I thought that for years then bought a f350 2020 it's a great truck but don't prefer the ride.
I could careless about a straight axle I towed my bumper pull trailer with my friends r350 it towed bad compared to my 3500hd
Joshua what's your channel I have a 2004 and a half Duramax it's got an lly in it .want to put an lmm in it can I
Yes you can but you would need to swap the tcm/ecm/bcm, and all wiring harnesses it’s probably best to buy a donor LMM truck to do the swap on a 04 body. Just a thought
Cool. But ya gotta be nuts to buy one. 100k plus
The straight axle front end would hurt the ride Quality that Chevy is known for even while towing. You wouldn't notice it as much towing though.
Screw the EPA, and most certainly, screw CARB.
BET. 50 years of the EPA's regulations and solutions yet the problems have only amplified? Sure seems to me like some platinum mines owned by wealthy lobbyists needed more buyers for a low volume commodity, kinda like lithium now....
@@mikeallen5291 I’ve been saying it for years. Our carbon footprint is cleaner than it’s ever been, and we’re out here screaming the planet has just a few more years to live… and I’m supposed to buy that? When, exactly what you’re saying about mining metals for batteries is a thing that’s overlooked anytime/everytime. It’s insane how people can’t put that together.
@@Mattss90 Finally, someone who sees the forrest from the trees. I began my endeavor in the 90's studying the historical climate because what I was told in school was not aligning with what I knew prior to the indoctrination of the discussion in our school. I was tipped off further when I, by sheer chance, came across an article in a science paper in which studies were done by major universities that discussed what was coming out of exhaust pipes pre and post catalyst. They made it rather blatant point that particulate mass in the atmosphere was the issue in the 70's when the discussion was about smog, but the removall of so much of that mass will lead to something like a magnifying glass effect. They then discussed the amounts of greenhouse gases in depth. If memory serves correctly, the toxic gases are reduced, but that toxicity is relative to humans and not to atmospheric stability. In short, the catalytic converters lower the amount of gases and toxins that are dangerous to humans, but the cost is increased greenhouse gases leaving exhaust pipes. I remember the sun not being so hot on my skin and having winter every single year like clockwork in the midwest up until the early 90's down to having snow almost every halloween. we had 90's weather in the summer and even a few 3 digit days annually, but very few mild winters. Meaanwhile back at the ranch, countries like Ukraine, were too cold and undeveloped for ag, but they are now ag powerhouses and were made that way with helf from the good ol' USA. I always laughed when I heard the line on King of the Hill when Dale Gribble said "let the planet warm up. We'll grow oranges in Alaska.". I'm not laughing now when I know that one of the biggest issues humans face as the world poulation grows, is food shortages. I apologize for the diatribe but it's not every day that I get someone that doesn't rag on me for my thought process on this matter. If it is gov't and it's name ends in "agency" or "service" it's an unregulated company that needs no legislation to enforce its laws and rules and that is how the gov't has bypassed the constitution when it comes to what rights we supposedly have.
I pray that GM produces the 8.3 My 2023 GMC Denali Ultimate dually will have to find a new home. And I do not care how much it cost I want it.
Very good evening to you Josh....Sadly i watched your video on parting with your father in-laws truck...but was left numb about the medical incident regarding your son
..all I can say is that i am very happy for you and your family that all things came out well for your Son ...May God's blessings be with you and your family always 🙏 ❤️ 💛...when it comes to family everything else comes later...my prayers and best wishes to you and your family ❤...God Bless 🙌 🙏 ❤️ 😊 💖
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I'd guess 135k for the bigger engine and a base denali package and arround 145k for the ultimate.
Probably need an 8.3 to carry around the battery pack required to make an ev truck have sufficient range.
Would be pumped for a factory solid front axle…
A pickup is a light duty truck. Medium duty starts at 450 4500 size trucks.
I feel like this guy and mike tyson would make it difficult to understand their conversation😂😂😂
I'm for it I really believe in my Chevy trucks I've owned one since 1974 and always got the job done towing or just family fun or work I've tried dodge they've had good engines but the rest fell apart my Ford's same thing except the Ford rangers I've had incredible for rangers but the bigger Ford's fell apart go Chevy !!!! NASCAR dominant for sure great video Josh thanks for the info I love it Sunday night with Truckmaster the best videos on Duramax on you tube!!!!
Might be cheaper to buy and own a semi. If you have the license of course.
In my country I have seen people come in a semi to the supermarket, they park at the very end of the parking lot so they don't bother anyone.
Here the average pick-ups are Hilux and L200, not even F-150's.
Gm is already planning for a faulty transmission or sensors.😅
I want a big slow turning straight 6
I know a guy that has a wedge and can put 3 dodge trucks on it and hauls it behind a 2020 6.6 turbo diesel deleted
nice
CyberFlopp got 85 miles towing a camper. Then it took 1½ hours and $37 dollars to fill up.
I'd go for a truck without all the electronic wizardry, I had a 85 dually with the 8.1 gas tow rig, other mileage, it was sweet...
Would love to see the 8.3L in the 4500 - 6500 medium duty trucks
My 2018 3500 Ram is paid for now, and it's the last one I'll own.
Im not sure you get the truck and load stopped. They are gonna have to do better with the braking
yesssssssss sir that is exactly the issue because rain, ice, snow, crazy old people, stupid young punk kids will happen in front of you!!!
That would be awesome
Chevy needs to offer a straight axle option for 4x4 trucks. They lost many truck guys when they went independent front 4x4 only
They already have a 7.8 liter duram@x in a Kodiak 7500