$100,000 Diesel Truck VS $2,000 Diesel Truck!!!! Are These New Trucks Really Worth It?
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2023
- We Compare A Brand New 2024 GMC diesel pickup truck To An 18 Year old 2006 Ford diesel pickup truck. Drag race, Trailer Tow, Braking test and More. What is The Better Choice?
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What do you guys wanna see compete? Crazy to see the difference the diesel
Market has made in the last few years!!
Might as well go grab Cleetus new tow pig and go apples to apples, not old busted joint and the new hotness 🤣
Lets see a top tier gas vs top tier diesel vs current top tier electric truck
@@ryanc8188it’s in the works!!
@JHDieseland4X4 let's go! Gmc got it all day!! Cleet don't want that smoke! 😆
Put the legendary 7.3 stock up against a stock 6.0 and 6.4. Then put the same trucks up against the similar Chevy/gmc and dodge. And of course, put all against the modern version of all. You could fill out tons of vids doing this. And probably a 1/3 of us at any given time want at least one of those comparisons at any given.
Another idea would be to include known weakness/flaws in each and how hard and maybe ballpark it would cost to make each last just as long as the rest….not all out power but from a daily reliable rig to crisscross the country on any given day. Example, that 2k/3k truck could have 5k to 10k put in it and last just as long as the 100k truck and tow/stop almost as good. Again, not from a rolling coal drag race but from the “do the grunt work” point of view.
Love to see what a 3000 dollar truck does in comparison with 97000 in upgrades. Would be a fun build and test.
Or even just 10k in upgrades
Yes this should definitely be a challenge, see how many of the features you can get on the 2k truck for cheap
I want to see this. Maybe not 97k upgrades but definitely built
Are you paying for it?
Was just gonna type that. Put 50k in that truck half as much as new one and send it to the moon lol
Have had a 1999 F250 7.3 manual for years, still my daily driver. At 307K miles, I’d still trust it across country.
Same here with a 2001 7.3. Jump in and go. Give me 50,000 to do upgrades and it would tost all those new trucks. I hate def trucks mine has no imitions at all from factory very reliable.
Used to own a ‘96 IDI non turbo, bought for 900$ all she needed were some new fuel lines since she was sitting a while. I could piss, shit, throw McDonald’s grease and radioactive horse semen in that ol girl’s tank and she’d run better than when I filled her up on normal diesel. Duel tanks were amazing too. Sold the truck for 6,000$. Would pay 7,000$ just to have that truck back. Her nickname was “Loyal”.
@AquafalconHD all the 7.3 was like that. Every motor after was junk. With the injection system on the old ones you could almost run straight motor oil and she would run. Lol I actually would filter and delute are old oil from are over the road trucks and pore it in the fuel tank. Why wast 10 gallons of good used oil. Lol
Given the fact that you just can't buy these configurations anymore I'd say its even worth it to invest in major repairs or restoration down the road just to keep them going. My friend's dad also has the manual diesel F250 for his home contracting business with about three dollars and fifty cents on the odo.
What major mechanical maintenance have you had to do recently? I just discovered my reman steering gearbox (installed by previous owner or his mechanic) was missing brass seat inserts where the hoses connect. All this power steering whine and I couldn't pinpoint the cause, leak kept getting worse and worse. O rings were the only thing sealing. And of course my reman autozone A/C conveniently blew after almost exactly 1 year, thanks to the texas heat. Also had a hole in the intercooler so I replaced and decided it was a good time to vent the crankcase into the atmosphere. Lifetime warranty swapped my moog drag link that connects to the pitman arm. Is it me or do the replacement auto parts suck @$$ nowadays? 2000 4x4 SRW with lift and 316k on the odometer, Freedom off road adjustable track bar
Another thing to consider is the cost of basic repairs once the new truck is off warranty. My diesel mechanic discouraged me from upgrading my pristine 97 Ford 7.3L to a newer truck based on the idea of repair costs long term. The older trucks are so simple with fewer things to go wrong and if a $5 vacuum line goes bad it can all be accessed simply by opening the hood. As my mechanic explained, that $5 vacuum line on a newer truck could cost in excess of $2500-3000 as the entire cab has to be removed to access some locations on the newer trucks. From my perspective, the only reason one pays for the new truck is the prestige factor and the ergonomics and comfort of a new truck. New trucks are quiet, smooth, easy to drive, with tons of cubbie spaces for storage and are outfitted with tons of technology. I ended up keeping the old truck and simply did some sound deadening, added a premium sound system with double DIN head unit to provide an update in technology coupled with a back-up camera and few power mods and I am good to go. Still not as smooth and not as quiet but very happy with the 97. Get tons of compliments everywhere I go.
You couldn't give me a new 6.7 Powerstroke...have had to work on SO many, while the old 7.3 had its' problems but they're fixable and for sure will run more miles with less problems than the new versions. 6.0's have lots of issues too...but they're better than the 6.4's and it's like Ford kept changing and making new problems rather than fixing the existing ones.
Anything with DEF sucks SO bad....and I've been stranded by Ford 6.7 when a single thermo-couple failed. Far, far too many things in the system that can and will shut you down if and when they fail. Especially for a work truck they're too sensitive and complicated....go for the old trucks and fix them up.
Put a jumper on your a/c pressure switch to keep it on, colder than any other trucks a/c right there. The OBS trucks had the best a/c and the bench seat is the best I think. 08 and up interior is very nice, but 6.4 and 6.7, nah.
For me my job requires me too be on time too work rain or shine and I do constant traveling. My 2023 3.0 duramax 1500 has a 100k mile warranty from the factory and they’ll put me straight into a loaner truck no questions asked if I have an issue .
I have same truck, but not pristine. I absolutely love it.
Yeah I know a diesel mechanic and I’m sure I heard the number incorrectly but he said a new gmc under warranty needed 18k worth of injectors replaced. I’m like I obviously can’t afford a new diesel. Lol
No such thing as a 2k diesel
For 50x as much money, the results weren’t 50x better 😎
That’s my exact thoughts. You’re paying way more of all these gadgets and stuff. The performance doesn’t really justify the money you’re spending on it, in my own opinion.
@kithergilliam153 yeah...but my heated steering wheel and headed seats. Started by remote sure is nice when it's time to go to work and it's-10.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 you’re spending money on other stuff that really is for comfort not for performance. It’s all about preferences too.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 since I’m in Texas we never get -10 but we do get 115 weather. It’s bad.
@@kithergilliam153 I hear ya, I'm in northern nevada and summer is no joke either..especially at 6700 feet. But then the air condition seats come in handy...lol
No matter how you put it, there is never a good reason to buy a truck for $100k when you can get a 2019 for $53k. They RAPIDLY depreciate and are often less reliable than the older models. It’s legitimately proven
Your not buying a 2019 3500/F350 for 53k Denali/Platinum without a crap ton of miles on it. I love how all the small brains assume you have to buy a Denali to get a 3500, or a Platinum to get a 350. There's brand new diesel 1 tons for 66k-70k
@@GhostlyGhille All fleet sales. White XL's for Ford, white LS's for Chevrolet. GM doesn't cater to fleet, as Chevrolet is the fleet brand.
@@GhostlyGhille is right. Just picked up a 2024 2500 duramax custom for 67 out the door.
@leptivieux1 it is what it is in this market. I need something reliable for work, but I don’t need the tv screen in my wood dash for an extra $18k
usually newer cars are more reliable, last longer with better fuel economy technology, but something has had happened in these last years; If i've had to get a pickup id buy anythin' from the really old ones to just about 2013
This shows they are both worth $2000
A family of 7.3's here. 1999, 2002 and 2003. All with 250-450K plus trouble free miles. Just regular maintenance. I'd drive any of them cross country in a heartbeat. I use my '03 F350 dually to pull our 11K# camper cross country 6 months months out of the year for the past three years and never have an issue. DP Tuner, BTS transmission, Gear Vendors over/under with 4.3 gears. She holds her own!
I need an 8ft dually bed, know where I can get one?
I know I would personally take the old one. To me its really hard to justify the $100k. That and the newer trucks have gotten so big its unreal. Another factor is that if I had a new truck I would be afraid to use it and beat it up. I know I would cry when I saw that first scratch. I like to use my trucks and even though I dont purposefully beat them up, accidents do happen though when working them. My daily is an 86 Dodge D-150 gasser. - Jamie
I’d get the old truck and use the other 98k to by an m5… or even get a used one and buy a trailer and skidsteer/ mini ex. With the 98k savings you could start a business.
@@FishFind3000 You could buy a couple acres and start a clean trailer Parker for $98k. Which could make you 10-15k a month which would give you the $98k back in a year or two and then it’s all profit
I’m a clumsy mf sometimes my truck is all scratched up that’s why I’ll never buy anything past like 2012
@poultryguy12able Based off your 11 acres sure but 2/3 would be significantly less and for $100k it’s very doable your just have more limited resources than I do. I own my own equipment and do the work myself
I'm a die hard GM fan. However I completely agree with your opinions in the comparison. And yes the old Ford stood her ground and got the job done.
Die hard GM fan? Why? Do you just hate money? Every Chevy I’ve ever been forced to own is a shitbox, paradoxically the newer they are the worse they are…..
Buy a Toyota.
@@wishunter9000I don't know why people spend 10x what a repair cost would be on a new shitbox
My 7.3 trucks I’ve owned for over 20 yrs are going strong and have never been apart. Not buying a newer one and if I ever have to it will be a Godzilla gas . To much tech in these new diesels. I’m 60 now hopefully finish up in business and I’m done with this buying Trucks. No thanks me these days to be in a small business thanks to democrats and the rhino idiots that go along with them. Fuel prices thanks to the bumbling idiot in the White House is making it tuff.
@@wishunter9000my silverado ran for 3 years, no oil changes, no coolant, and a blown headgasket. if it wasn’t for the cracked frame and severe rust it would pass inspection
You should be embarrased to admit that GM builds absolute garbage
I have an 02 7.3 Excursion with 357,000 on her. Bought her new off the lot, have kept it maintained and always repaired any issue immediately. I’ve done a lot of proformance upgrades to her over the years as well as replaced all the suspension with F350 Ford factory parts including the 20” king ranch wheels. My buddy’s drive newer trucks and make fun of me for driving an antique. They ask when I’m getting a new one. I tell them it cant be replaced because no one makes anything like it to replace it with. I’ll still be driving mine when there on there 5th new one making upwards of $1000 a month payments. Meanwhile I haven’t had a truck payment in 17 years. Who’s making fun of who when I’m retired at 50 and they’re still working to pay for sh!t. Lol
Hell yeah!! Smart man!
The market today is forcing me to consider building a older truck vs being in crazy debt on a new one. I enjoy not having a payment
Do it, get a budget of 20k
Start with a 5k truck and upgrade it 15k , keep it forever ,don't look back.
Don't do that. Its expensive no matter what you do its called inflation.
Is it better? Yes, is it 100k better? You won't ever convince me it is....
Could you imagine when everything starts to break on it especially the electronics.
I'd say it's $100k better if you're hotshotting, and wanna ride in luxury and comfort all day while making money, but just for doing some odd work for yourself, nah
No 4x4 is worth over 100k unless it’s a Landcruiser
@@XSR1K No car is worth 100k to me i'd rather put that towards a house or land.
I love cars but that much money i'd be afraid to take it anywhere or do anything because it is such a massive ammount of money for a object
@@nou8257I’d also rather put that much money towards a house or land.. (cruiser)
I drive a 2001 f250 with a manual transmission and a 7.3 diesel . Ill keep
That truck until the wheels fall off . Great truck , no payments
Haha fr
Broke person answer
Same here! 03 f250 7.3l
@@G7clipsofcDefenitely not. The 7.3 is one of the most proven motors ever built. It's the frugal answer. You don't get rich making monthly payments on a $100,000 truck... you just dont.
@G7clipsofc I have to disagree as well. I own 4 Diesel trucks and yes key word OWN. God bless the man that can go out and pay cash for a 100k truck. I know a few out there and that may be you. I’m a working man in America. In commercial tire sales but I also dig graves on the side and tree work. I have a 2009 6.4 dump truck, 2001 6.0, a 2009 6.4 f250 and a 2015 F250 6.7. All deleted and 6.0 bullet proofed. The big thing is I’m building a 7k square foot house out of pocket myself no contractor. The money one may spend on that truck I chose to put in my house. Having a truck note was the difference and me getting a pool and pool house . Life is all about choices. I live in Tallahassee, Florida I know many people who drive 100k trucks to double wides everyday. Hey love how you want I guess
Cool video. One thing that should be pointed out is having 10 gears vs 5. That in and of itself is a huge advantage when it comes to putting power to the wheels.
You'd be damn hard pressed to find a 06 duelie 1 ton for 2k!
I agree. Most working diesels are a min. of $8-10k.
You can if it's got that 6.0 powerstroke diesel
@@Read1Timothy2nah. People have figured out there good trucks that just need some upgrades so they’re starting to rise in cost.
no such prices found here. More often 25k and more for a diesel duallie.
you havent looked. find one with 300k plus miles and the price drops significantly.
It's interesting to see an older truck and how it stacks up against the newer diesel but gotta say the ol 6.0 didn't do to bad.
The 6.0 is one of the worst diesel engines ever made lmao
@@200130769they have their issues but honestly they can be very reliable just going to cost some money to get to that point , I would take a 6.0 over alot of the newer stuff hands down
@@200130769Drove an 04 f250 sold it with 285k miles original trans and motor, probably needed about 2-3k in work through its life outside or oil changes. ran really good too. Had a tuner chip in it did 60 in 4.5 seconds turbo sounded so good
@@robertkurtz7587My 04 f250 would wipe my dads ass in a race in his 18’ f350 single rear wheel 6.7L . Beat a red 01 standard cobra mustang from a 40 roll with a trailer on it full of mowers . It is that fast , even better when you put the 5.9 cummins in them
I’ll take the reliability of an old mechanical 7.3 all day over a new truck
Hilarious
For the money agree. But if I could get one for free I'll take new. I got a 2002 7.3 with 128k miles for 1800. Sold my 6.7 cummins to keep the ford since I got it so cheap.
@@heathmooneyham5942 While the 7.3 PSDs are really solid, I wouldn't consider them "mechanical". Still needs 120V to drive the injectors, and full computer control. An IDI, though, that's a mechanical 7.3 - Can literally run with 1 wire, and even that could be bypassed if needed.
@@MacRobbSimpson I love them ol'shit box IDI's.
I have a 7.3..... it sucks little things break, nothing major but enough to keep it on the driveway for a few weeks....costing me money buy the new one if you're using it for a business.
For the trailer drop test, it would be nice to see the Ford with brand new leaf springs as I'm pretty sure those ones were original. Denali had brands making you leave springs so more likely it was going to do a lot better.
Gotta be going over 10mph I believe for the trailer brakes on the 06 to work. I thought mine was broken and turned the gain all the way up. Got going down the road and nearly got a face full of steering wheel when I hit the brakes 😂
The brake test would have been pretty much equal if the trailer brakes would have worked on the old one.
Plus brand new brakes
That’s exactly what I came to say
I’m a Chevy guy, but the old ford didn’t do to bad.
Same
The 6.7 would make you cry.
@@joeblow8837 please. I don’t mess with stock diesel trucks to start with, so it doesn’t matter what ford,Chevy or dodge comes out with they are all under powered.
Under powdered okay Internet though guy@@dersrr
Me too
Had a 2004 f350 6.0 for years! 305k miles when I traded her in. Miss her so much. Now I drive 2014 LML duramax. Love her even more!
I bought a '24 3500 AT4 early May and you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. I've had an '01, '06, and '11 Super Duty along with a '16 Ram. I've like each subsequent truck more than the previous. I enjoy the creature comforts, ride quality improvements, and increased power along with the drivability that comes with it. The increased payload capacities with the newer trucks has been nice to have as well.
Great video! I really appreciate the fairness and the amount of context you put into explaining the differences. Felt very fair and unbiased.
You would think the new truck is more reliable but she will still leave you stranded. Lots to go wrong. Def heater, nox sensor, ect. Will limp it out and parts availability is erratic.
Would still be the sexiest god damn truck on the side of the road... everyone will still know you have a massive, fat wallet 😊
To his credit he talks about it in terms of having the dealership foot the bill of repairs.
Our 2019 Chevy 3500 duramax was bought new and probably spent almost as much time in the shop as on the road. Our 05 duramax is still a daily driver and been in the shop very minimal in comparison. New isn’t always better
Those 6.0 never last long but with a few modifications, they are pretty quick. Great video.
Ive got $25k in my 88 F250 7.3 idi supercab long bed 4x4. Has a Gearvendors OD unit on it, 4.10 gears, and bronco bucket seats. New paint, starts up, stops, hauls, pulls, does everything I need it to. I bought a $6k International Loadstar 1600 for heavier towing.
I love the new truck! Ask Taylor Ray about how his warranty worked for his new truck though!
Warranty did cover it , just took a few days . Which is completely normal, no warranty covers taking your trailer home or a rental truck .
Let’s see what the gmc does after 20 years and a couple hundred thousand miles? For a couple of seconds I’ll put the 100k in my pocket. 😎🇺🇸
6.0 Powerstroke is shit gonna cost 20-30k in repairs to fix them the L5P is a solid platform definitely be cheaper to own for 20 years.
So what your saying is you can’t afford a new truck?
@@xaphan8581 nope just not dumb enough to spend 100k on a pickup
@@rodfatherschopshop6004 yeah I’m sure
@@xaphan8581 I hope you feel good about yourself because someone else thinks spending that kind of money for a truck is a waste. Whatever man
I would love to see one on like a $20-40,000 truck. Basically newer. But still reasonable to buy outright. Or even a 15-20,000 range. Like a 3rd gen dodge. LLY duramax. Etc
My dad has a 1993 F-250, and it has a custom V8 Diesel turbocharged. He is currently rebuilding the entire truck since he got rammed in the rear end by a van that bent the frame. He had to replace the entire frame, and we are making good progress. We are about ready to put the cab back on, so we should be running in no time!
The thing is what ever floats your boat. If you want a Ford or a Duramax or a Cummins it doesn’t matter, your money, your time, your truck.
Besides that Ford did a whole advertising / commercial series supporting trannys, grooming and pedo stuff ..
I wish more people understood this.
We all still like to razz the next guy though.
Exactly and I personally like all 3 brands
I'd love to see this with an additional 40k truck as a mid-tier option to see just where the tipping point is. Does a 40k truck perform the exact same as the 100k truck but just doesn't have 20 cameras and leather seats? Then perhaps a bang-for-your-buck analysis to determine if it is actually worth spending another 60k to get to that 100k truck or even if 40k isn't that big of a difference from 2-3.
From what I've seen 40k gets you something around 200k miles these days. I think bottom dollar or new are the best deals currently. You can get a new diesel in the 60k range.
@@bunsguns8222 can confirm, got a 17 F350 DRW in September 2022 w/ 180K miles for 53K after taxes. That price rapidly climbs when you lower the miles on it.
Or a 40k dollar used truck vs a 40k dollar built truck. The used truck could be like a wildcard cause who knows what's done to it. Make sure they are both equally reliable so they can do all the stuff we wanna see.
@@bunsguns8222 38k for 120k miles 45 for around 80-90k that's about what I see in oregon. Now if your a princess of course your gonna get ripped of cause your a yancy.
Used to watch a neighbour drive to work in his F250 for years , always saw him doing oil changes, had the usual patina.He went to trade it in prior to the Covd scenario and was getting offered peanuts for it.I bought it and have never looked back, it owes me nothing they only thing I’ve replaced is a starter, got a second hand one, and a set of used tires off Face Book
Personally, I certainly can’t afford to trade in a $100k truck every 5 years. Anything I own must be easy to work on in my driveway. My old 7.3 Super Duty has been perfect for my needs
7.3 engine is the only old engine that’s worth buying. The rest are trash
As long as it has a/c and runs good like that one does. $98K is a lot to pay for a warranty that they can really just decide if they want to cover it or not depends on the cost of whatever breaks
Not to mention the recalls
He'll never pay 98k. He'll sell way before that. I do the same thing. Just bought a 24' Denali. I might pay 30k tops and she's out the door and someone will have my sloppy seconds
Also you will have to spend 3 hours at the dealership every other month to get your oil change,not because you need it. But because you have to prove you have your car it's maintainance otherwise they will refuse to do repair off that alone.
Amazing how well those ford XL interiors hold up.
those year super duties are damn good built trucks
That 100000 plus truck won't beat the longevity of the 7.3.
This is a good video. I used an 03 for about 10 years very similar to the one you have except it had a utility bed on it. It only had injectors and I think the turbo go bad on it shortly after we got it under warranty and nothing after that. Always was a really good truck. I would probably buy something similar to that for just trailer duty unless like you said I was hauling across the country regularly.
The new trucks are beautiful. But as far as longevity and costs for repairs you’ll never ever beat that 06. I don’t see these new trucks going 20+ years like the 06 without major money being put into them. If you put 250,000 on one of these new trucks in a four year span I would think for that money it should do it, but mileage and time are two different animals.
I would love it if you made a video comparing all new super duty and RAM dually trucks! 🙏🏻
I bought a '99 F350 SD, 4WD, crew cab, long bed, a Warn bumper & winch combo, but a V10...it was sitting for 2.5+ years, past owner died. Bought cheap, replaced a ton of mechanical "Consumable" parts (huge list), serviced everything, stripped it down (glass, bumper, trim, lights, door handles, weather stripping, everything), painted the entire truck, Line-X bed liner, replaced all 5 tires, re-did the headliner, replaced the 7" halogen driving lights with 300W LEDs', replaced the 3" halogen foglights with 3.5" amber LED's, installed a scanner, and put in a head unit with navigation. All-in, my total out-of-pocket? About $20K. It looks good, runs fantastic, and fits my needs- I wish it was a 7.3, but I really can't complain. This truck will be around for years to come, agree with you two 100%. Simple economics
A overview episode of the 6.0 truck with JH recommendation on what to do to the 6.0 to keep it running and reliable. That would be great for anyone looking to purchase one of these. What to look for based on what you guys see at the shop.
I'm leaning towards the old truck simply because one day the warranty will be dropped on the new truck which then isn't going to justify the $100k price tag once things start breaking after warranty you can find parts for the old trucks pretty much in most backyards it's the complete opposite for the new ones
Right 👍
We love our 2002 F350 crew cab 4X4 SRW long bed. She was an XLT, originally but the interior is slated for an upgrade, she's black and mostly original appearing other than a level up kit, ranch hand, and some aftermarket wheels in the 16.5 flavor. That said, I can and do work on her. Parts are relatively cheap, and I can easily buy a new engine and trans for her. She is of course modified. Not to the point of being unreliable though, 1400EGT is real bad LOL. At about 400HP these days, Turbo and intake upgrade, EGR deleted, turbo back big pipe, cold air induction, swamps stage II double shot injectors, 7 position Hydra chip. She is plenty fast for a 7.3 and does well on fuel, dependent on the current tune. Yeah, we're running cameras front and rear, new paint and theft proofed to the max. My main concern is how bad they are to steal the earlier Fords. I mean I can jack one in about 30 seconds with no security measures. Mine was stolen a while back before I did all the modifications: alarm with kill, all mechanical door locks removed, outside and inside, electric only keyless entry with alarm remote, Lo-jack, and a club as a visual to go along with the alarm LED just to help deter. I did some serious rewiring to it under the dash as well, so hotwiring it would really be a rough day. The hood is also chained and locked shut. That said, if you have an early Ford, especially a nice one secure it up. And your guy is right about his 6.0 I get a lot of compliments on it, often people ask me if I would be willing to sell it. NOPE
Alot of the speed advantage comes from the new 10spd transmissions making the engines more efficient. As far as the squat once loaded, we're talking worn springs over new springs. My 07 F250 4x4 has little to no squat with a loaded 20ft car trailer. I wanted a new truck but I can't justify the price of a newer truck when my 07 does everything I need it to and throw at it its just not as pretty
What about showing how well some minor upgrades to the ford will help overall in towing and braking performance .. Just a thought .. Hope all is well down in FL , coming from NC .. Thanks for all the awesome content guys !!
Just refreshed my 07 with new heads, lifters, push rods, new turbo, injectors, gaskets bottom up and she runs absolutely amazing.ill keep it any day over a 1400 month payment
How much did that cost ya??
Exactly. My mechanic is in the process of building me a Stage 1 6.0 Powerstroke all for $10k. I also invested in a Bulletproof Diesel oil cooler, BPD water pump, reman injectors, Edge monitor, SCT tuner, APR studs… so I’m in almost $15k but I’ll have a badass bulletproofed 6.0 for a fraction of the cost of a new truck. Forgot to mention paid about $8k for the truck so do the math but still a lot better than $80k plus for a new truck to me it makes more sense
Way better than having to take out a second mortgage for a six-figure truck
@@Natd0gsefyes because these trucks are only offered at 100k fully optioned. They by no means sell low or medium trim truck for less money...
@@GhostlyGhille even with the lower and or midtier options there still 60,000
That's a pretty quick truck for that 06 F350. Seemed to be under 10 seconds 0-60. At the least anything faster than 15 seconds 0-60 is plenty quick for a truck that big.
That 10 speed helped out a lot! Love the duramax, but all the praise belongs to that 10 speed!
interesting what you said about being stranded on a road trip, because a warranty doesn't really do you any good if the new truck breaks. just means you can't work on it yourself and she's broken til you can get it to a dealer.
An old man gave me advice one time when I was starting out. Below that is mine. Hope it helps someone.
“You can have brand new $100k rig and brand new $40k worth of tools with monthly payments north of $10k, or have used stuff but never take out a loan.”
My best advice to anyone starting out at least for construction.
The people you want to impress aren’t looking at your truck and how new it is. Buying a brand new truck, rims, extras etc tells everyone “my money goes on my pride and in the truck.” The guys you really want to impress look at 2 things
1: Are his tools kept? Are they clean? Does he throw them around or take care of them?
2: Is his truck clean? Is there trash falling out of it when he rolls up or does he have a nice organizer to keep paperwork, maybe a trash bag too?
Now there is something to say going into the upper 6/7 figure market of things sure. There isn’t a whole lot of something though. Do good work, do right by your customers, be professional in ALL circumstances off work and on. Trust me, it’ll take a second to build a client base but you won’t have any issue finding work whatsoever. No one cares about your sound system, rims, how fast it is. They care about the work and if you’re good at it.
Me personally, I bootstrapped. All tools were paid off, every truck but the last one I had was paid off, brand new tools, old trailer, older trucks. Not one loan. Took so much stress off of “I need 10k this month to stay afloat!”. Eat your pride, get only what you need, work up. For 2 years I worked out of a single cab 93’ 6.5 diesel. My welding leads were in 5 gallon buckets, my welder was a 02’ bobcat, and I had a grinder, framers square, speed square, 6 total clamps, 1 drill (corded), 1 tape, a punch set, and 2 extension cords that I grabbed out of the trash. All used. By year 3 I built it up to a couple employees, $40k+ in tools, 90% of which were new.
This is not a brag, this is me trying to save someone from losing everything if you aren’t careful. You do not need loans, but used. There is nothing wrong with a truck like the ford in this vid as is. You’d be surprised how many people are supportive and will help you out.🤙🏽
Monthly payments north of 10k on a 100k truck and 40k in tools? Your using the wrong bank
@brianconner4854 totally agree lol why I'm glad it's a figure of speech. Payments of 10k a month would be a loan of approx. 650-750k depending on your apr, fees and if it was compound interest or not.
People always seem to assume that a new truck comes with a payment. Interest doesn’t matter when you write the check. What is a ( payment )?
I get it... nice things are nice. I much prefer the piece of mind NOT worrying dings and scratches that will happen when using an older truck as a truck. Now parts are cheaper, there's plenty of CZcams videos of other guys showing you how to diy repair. My next tow vehicle will be a 7.3 diesel. Not sure what truck I'll put it in. Either 77 f250 or mid 90s 250/350.
Ford guy here… that GMC is gorgeous! Amazed at the performance and how refined the new trucks are. But I still love my good ol’ 6.0. Keeping her forever.
Great video! I’d like to see an mpg comparison from the two. Full emission controlled vs basic
Probably not that different. My 2002 7.3 F350 and my 97 7.3 F250HD both averaged 14mpg and my dads new 18 6.7 F350 gets 16-17mpg for being newer and Def,all that fun headache. Also my 5.4 gas got about 14-15 on a good day.
Love the video great work!! My only question is on the braking how did the 6.0 stop that trailer in that short of time without having a trailer brake. That tells me that the gmc needs better brakes lol!! Just wondering if I missed something?
Yeah I noticed that too trailer brakes where broken as stated in the vid. And the 6.0 wasn't in tow/haul like the GMC was.
I’d be real curious to see what the 6.0 with a tow program would do.
My 02 f250 lariat 7.3 is awesome all i have to do is put the camaras and im in the same boat as you. Plus its clean asf definitely feel good pulling up to a job site with it. Better then i felt in my 99f150 both made me alot of money.
Perfect Tests, really informative. Would love to see this test with an older duramax and 12 valve vs the 100k truck
Totally
Throw tuner with good tune on it. Bet you the 6.0 performs very closely
LOOK AROUND, There is a reason why so many contractors (my friend's dad), landscapers, and even municipalities STILL hold onto their classic F series diesels to this day. Saw one that looked like the truck in this video today that had a manual transmission, had the bed replaced with a dumper and hauled a landscaping trailer. Cheap to buy, cheap to repair, and they sound pretty mean too. The proof is in the pudding.
I had a similar dilemma a couple years ago. I had a 00 7.3 f350. Loved the truck but I was towing cross country during the summer. I sold it and got a low mileage 2012 ram 3500 with the 6.7 cummins and g56. The cummins is a much nicer, more comfortable truck but it’s a 30k dollar truck versus my 7k dollar power stroke.
I wish I could find a diesel truck in Florida for 3k
I’d like to see how a older truck with similar power as new holds up against the new one. I will volunteer my truck lol
Im willing to bet they don't hold up as well. The new trucks strive for the most efficiency possible. The main reason old ones are so reliable is the lack of power. Like the 12 valve and the 7.3. a lot harder to break stuff at 200hp.
This is where my brain went as well. My ‘96 7.3 and my ‘06 6 leaker will blow the doors off of that stock 6 leaker.
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871There are shit tons of 7.3’s with big injectors, turbos, and Hpops making 350-500 reliable hp.
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871if done correctly an older diesel can reliably hold 500, or for the duramaxes case, about 450, you can make that with a tune easily. However people push their trucks to the max power and sit it at that, have a truck capable of making and handling 800 and only have it make 500 and you’ll be just as reliable if not better
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871 yet the new truck gets 9 mpg while towing lmao. sure its probably better than the old truck but that is far from efficient
Great idea brother.. can’t wait to see the rest of the video.
I have an ultimate 2500 on order, with max trailer package, they can easily tow what an older dually could. You also don't need the ultimate. You can get one in the 60s with cloth seats with some decent features.
I cannot see $100K price difference between the 2 trucks. I would personally take the old truck do a few mods to extract a bit of power, upgrade the brakes also and get a AAA membership incase it breaks down.
I stopped by the local dealership and was shocked at the price. They have 3 2024 3500HD. In stock. All over 120k. $. Crazy nice trucks but wow
That’s called greed.
I love the way thoes old f350's looked and sound.
I can’t believe people are buying $100,000 trucks🤣
R.I.P.😂
I love my 2003 6.0, but I definitely spent more money fixing it than I did buying it. No way I would go to six figures for the little personal stuff I do- I might be a little jealous. Don't leave out the $10,000 old truck! performance is the same, but it makes a big difference when its nice and clean inside and out. I don't see that new truck making it 20-30 years with all the exhaust treatment stuff.
Thats a hell of a lot of truck for $2000... Especially with that many miles on it
2,000$ for diesel truck is impossible to find
4,000$ gas is the min
more for diesel
yeah, no matter the condition, if it runs, $2000 is a steal, this one was worth 6-8K for sure
@@TheGamingChad.And no rust too. That truck would go for good money up here in upstate NY
My grandpa, god rest his soul, had a 2007 F-150 XLT extended cab 4.6L (well we still have it) that doesn’t have many options on it but I think it’s a nice truck. Granted it does only have 27k miles on it, but it’s a nice truck.
For the 97% price difference id say that Powerstroke did very well.
The New truck has a ton of safety features built into it! The old truck is a work beast!
Bro doesn’t like being safe 💀💀💀
In my opinion, it’s only a matter of what your budget is. You can always upgrade brakes, add a tuner, fuel injectors, turbo, etc. So, with a few grand in upgrades, you can be well below $100K and have a reliable truck that performs well beyond the new trucks these days without the DEF and DPF, etc.
Bro the newer trucks make close to 1000ft torque and can tow close to 40k. Good luck getting that with a 6.0 along with reliability heated and air conditioning seats and all the other technology. Plus if you own a business it just looks better if your driving a newer truck vs a loud ass older diesel.
@@xaphan8581 First off, I wouldn’t drive. 6.0 Ford by choice. Secondly, You can easily get to 1,000 lb ft of torque with a programmer and maybe fuel injectors. You might need an upgraded turbo depending on which truck you have. However, I believe you can easily obtain the performance of a new truck for way less than $100K
@xaphan8581 I've got less than $10k into a 6.0 and it will dog walk that GMC, and it looks pretty damn nice, as a business owner you might look better with an old truck that looks really nice because it means you take pride and car anyone can go buy a new truck. Maybe they dus it because they trashed the old one in 2 years. But I know a guy who pulls up on a jobsite in a nice older truck takes pride in their shit.
@fiddynutz68 yeah your missing the point. Also spending 10k on a 6.0 sounds like a worthy investment lmao. I’m sure to take your words seriously
@poultryguy12able Actually, you can build a reliable Cummins by adding a built transmission, head studs, injectors, and an upgraded turbo for way less than $100k. And, yes I have seen new diesel trucks broken down. My son’s friend had a 2022 F250 Diesel that had less than 4K miles on it that broke down. He had it in the shop for repairs at least 4 times so far.
Dude is trying to justify a $100k vehicle purchase 💀
I'd much rather have a 7.3 than any modern truck. My work truck is a '99 f450 with a 12' flatbed dump and. A 2k lb lift gate. I grabbed it with 114k miles from an auction for $12k. I never stress about working it. It's barely broken in at 114k miles ... There's just no chance I'd ever buy a new truck. My daily driver is an '88 landcruiser with a SBC350 swap, and my Sunday driver is a '77 Ford f250 supercab long bed. My bike is an '86 Honda. I don't go by brand. I don't go by features. I go by ease of working on them, aftermarket availability of parts, reliability, practicality, and look.
I'm still doing 1000 miles a month average with a thirty-year-old Ford IDI nothing about this truck bothers me it sure does seem to bother a lot of people let get behind me⛽️🇺🇸
Good truck
@@t.s.tractorworkstrickland5828 the engine has never been cracked open since 1993 it don't get any slower I think the new trucks get faster the new ones go so fast they're dangerous if you don't be careful
JH really stepping it up! Love having Justin on the channel full time!
Those break in scratches remind me of my dads 2004 5.4 F-250 😂 classic
Id like to see a 1st gen 6.7 powerstroke compete with it. Mine is tuned and what not so its not stock but im curious how itd hold up as itd be a little more fair comparison.
You should do a 6.6 of tye same year as the 6.0
Squat test on a old n used suspension vs brand new? Little bit of a reach there haha
It's interesting how the 6.0 was 1.1 second slower in the 1/4mi. But 9.2 seconds slower in the 60mph. I'm willing to bet the vgt actuator arm, unison ring, and vanes are worn making it slow to spool because it majorly came to life on the top end which is normal for a old vgt or reman turbo where they don't replace that stuff. Also did you disable trailer brakes on the gmc? If not since they didn't work on the 6.0 that could make a big change there.
I bought a 2002 GMC 3500 4x4 for $7,000 and almost immediately had to do injectors, head gasket, replace the turbo, replace the rear end, and do brakes and a wheel hub. I am almost $30,000 into my truck with shop fees, but now it performs very well and more than serves my purpose owning a lawn care and landscaping company. For the cost of a new 3500 I can get a used one and spend a little extra cash and have a truck that performs better than a new truck if I get the right combination of performance parts… and I’d have half the money invested in it.
Cool comparison video, but $100k is insane. I just bought a 2013 F-350 XLT dually diesel with 260k miles for $18k needing about $2k worth of work. Even if I do break down five hours from home with a blown engine, I can afford to have the truck towed and the engine replaced four times with the money I saved 🤣
So you bought the truck that you could afford. Smart, but don't compare it to a new one you can't afford.
In the promo you said Leroy 2.0 i don't think cleeter will ever give that away. Lol i think you meant to say Leroy Jr. 😄🦅🦅🤘 great vid as always🤘
I guess what shocked me the most is at the beginning when you explained that you feel like you have to get a new truck (at a 100K price!) every few years for a truck that is used for what I would think these things are built for---regular heavy towing. Surely truck manufacturers can do better! I think I would take a portion of the $100K and maintain a couple of older trucks. And maybe set aside 5K or so in a high-interest account for emergencies like you described at the beginning.
It's more that the truck stays "new." And the trading in every couple years keeps the resale value up, he's not losing much value on the truck over time, so the trade up is not bad. And like he said at the end, the new truck just works. The alternator isn't going to die. The DPF filter won't clog. The injectors won't go out.
Maintaining an old truck sounds great until you're stuck on the side of the road, exactly like he said at the beginning.
The manufacturers can do better, but they don’t want to. They get someone to spend money on a new truck every few years and still make a profit a second time off the trade in through the resale market. If that’s not enough, they make money in non warranty repairs.
FINALLY, someone tests TOWING old vs new! All these videos I see on CZcams are all about the truck interior, motor, and lifting it and comfort and all this other bullshit. Tell me which old trucks are best at towing (good at towing AND RELIABLE) vs New ones!
I drive a 2010 gmc it has 105,000 miles on it, it's a 4x4 3/4 ton, 2500HD 6.0 gasser, it does everything I need it to do and drives amazing...
Ok...... and your point is
I got a 7.3 Powerstroke for $4500 and I'm sure that truck will just keep going
Junk
I agree.
I got one for 2500. I have yet to find a deal I would've taken over it. I'll admit I lowballed the guy, but he accepted so I feel good about it.
can’t help but root for the 6 blow 😂
That GMC looks bad fucking ass. I love the darkened “chrome”
Do more of these tests. AND, if you can, try doing some uphill towing tests
5:17 WOW! A Cadillatic converter?? That’s fancy!
Welcome to Flurida
@@KRRZ350 heheheh
Love to know where you found a decent and running 6.0 PSD dually for that cheap
exactly! that's the real story
Just stumbled across this video. Nice video. I think a question a lot of people ask these days is diesel vs gas. I think being a diesel mechanic you kinda answer that by saying you trade the modern diesel every couple of years.
Another thing I think any of the new gas HDs would have outperformed the older diesel or atleast been neck and neck.
Good to see how far trucks have come in a relatively short time though.
The drag race was a lot closer then I thought 😁