DUCATI dominates in EU motocross - Coming to America next!
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Hey guys, we have a lot to look forward to! Ducati Desmo 450 dirt bike is absolutely crushing it Europe (Italy) motocross racing and planning to come to USA next. Check out the video and let me know your thoughts! Cheers!
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ducati motocross desmo 450 dirt bike
Don't forget this is totally different than road racing . With supercross and motocross the engine is not an issue at all , they all have much more power than they could ever use, what wins is vastly superior handling .
Actually, it comes down to tuning. As you said they all have more power than they can really use so in the case of the 450's its all about being able to put power down in a controllable manor and that is where Ducati will dominate. The Europeans have always been masters of "Hyper-Intelligent Monitoring" of their cars and motorcycles. It's this next level monitoring insight that allows them to build superior programs or tunes that allow the driver / rider to get the most out of the power at hand.
maybe in SX but not MX
Of course the rider has nothing to with it.
The entire service manual for this bike will simply say “visit Ducati authorized service dealer”
Sadly that is every ducati
Lol, that’s possible
Great point, not being able to do your own work on your bikes , needing special tools for simple jobs, is kind of a deal breaker for me 😢
It's not as bad now, in Calif Ducati service is not super high priced. My 1988 bmw was 600 USD for major tune-up at dealer
Lol my gt100 a 2008 model has 43k & the valve clearance is still OK, I replaced timing belts every 15k, oil changes chain & sprockets, rear tire every 2700 miles, Ducati bikes are affordable high performance.
😮 That got my pulse going.. 😁 Ducati in the USA with Eli Tomac and Kenny Roczen...
They can't join AMA till 2026 at the earliest. Eli will be retired and Kenny is a 50/50.
Nothing against Lupino or Ducati, but Lupino is World Class racer , racing against national level pilot, level is already high, but Lupino and Tony are of course one step (Or two) more. Super exited to see this bike in other championship, but I think now, for Ducati , isn't such a big result.
Exactly. Theyd win on any bike
US Motocross: "You run good"
Ducati: "Thank you"
US Motocross: "Now lets see how you do in a crowd"
Win,
How? Top of the podium!😂
Any reliable bike will dominate if the top rider is on board!!
Of course, dang good prototype 👍
True however this is tech that simply cannot be matched in valve sprung engines. It not a matter of how bad do they want to beat their closest competitor it's how bad do they want to do it in each gear. That kind of tech would be almost equal to turning our 5spd trans into 10 spds with the amount they could extend rpms by. Plus added power of less power loss and massive lower friction levels.
@@alankelter9416if it were all that other brands would be designing springless poppet valvetrains. There are a few negative drawbacks and altho it may make a little more power is it as reliable as a yamaha or for the average vet rider who cannot afford teardowns and rebuilds like the factory does now. Time will tell.
@@waynegarfield6607 all true, however it's already a tested design by them it's a bleed over in tech, and all other manufacturers have been looking for spring less tech for over 30 years now. With Ducatis patent they cannot just follow the lead. Other manufactures have tried all sorts of things such as air bladders, tunneled rollers etc. none have worked out so far so yeah Ducati is really leading the edge rite now and these engines without dought will far outperform the competition tell they find a way.
Agree
I would have thought Triumph would have got top-notch guys? I would like to see a Ducati vrs Triumph. See how it stacks up? Being they are new in 2024 to the series in motocross.
Love this bike. Can't wait for it to make it's way to America. Thanks for all this info. I had been wondering how it's been doing
Eventually, Ducati & Beta will have to come with a 250F. Triumph will have to come with their 450F. It will be interesting to see where everybody eventually ends up. A Kenny & Haiden combo on the Ducati 450 might work really well. Yeah, Kenny may not do all the outdoor events, but he will leave himself in good enough position for the SMX, plus there is the opportunity for Kenny to do WSX if it is still around. Haiden can handle the full domestic party.
Yes, they should all have 250 and 450 in next couple of years i think
Triumph 450 is reportedly in the works
Ducati World Domination ! I think these folks complaining about costs and serviceability have the cart before the horse. I expect it’s more expensive than the Japanese bikes, but not crazy high. Perhaps you prefer CF Moto ? Performance comes with a price. Ducati always delivers performance. Forza Ducati 🏁 ❤️🇮🇹🏍
I find the first part of the video pretty wrong: absolutely far from dominating, but it should be as you said, collecting data. They're winning races because Lupino and Cairoli are superior (not to take away from the other guys) in the championship, and the only rider that could challenge them, Alberto Forato, was injured (and came back to races in Ponte Egola after months of stop). Also, the race where Lupino and Cairoli dominated was a mudder on an older style italian track, with natural obstacles, going up and dowhill most of the time. In these condition, it's the rider who makes the differnce, not the bike (props to the 2 ducati to have finished the races though, very tough conditions for the machines)
I dont want to take anything from Ducati's work, i'm in no position to criticize and i have no intention to do it, but there's so unnecessary hype, it's way too early to discuss ducati competitiveness, because these races are competition against themselves, not because the lack of cometition, but to make a product that can reflect the Ducati brand in the MX world
Agree. I’m glad to see it here from you. You said it eloquently where as I would have said to many curse words to get the same point across. It’s always the rider not the bike. ❤
@@mrlarrybobjr i want to add that i am italian myself and i've seen the bike race, so i cheer for them to make a good and competitive product. But we have to be objective, the level of the bike is difficult to evaluate because the level of ducati's riders and because we're talking about a prototype that we basically know nothing about (they could be changing frames and engines at every race and we wouldn't know)
Well said, thanks for sharing. I am still excited tho 👍😉 will be fun to watch next few years in motocross scene. You can see they are serious and they have a name to live up to.
Yes,you are right.Ducati domineted in 2 different national championship(italia) races,before to say dominate in EU,i think is better to wait to some races in World championship.
Yes and don't forget, Mercedes-Benz also used a Desmo system system before Ducati. Your channel is of the best. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it. Many blessings for you and your family!
Thanks for sharing!
You know they’re going to give Deegan a call. We’ll see what he decides.
they have probably already called them
Triumph is. Ricky and the Deegans are very very close.
If Triumphs 450 (which they're developing now) is ready, which it should be, and if the money in right, I'd bet a kidney Deegan either stays with Star, or is pulled by Ricky.
Deegan could obviously go anywhere, including Ducati, but as long as Rucky is with Triumph, I bet they try really really hard to get Haiden
I'm guessing it will be Ken Roczen. We shall see...
@@PisgahGravelProject if you think deegans getting on a 450 anytime soon your crazy 2 more years on the 250 i reckon
@schocky5991 if he wins the championship this year, and next year (2025) he'll have nothing left to prove in the lites class. So, if that's the case, 2026 he moves up to the 450 class
This was in an Italian series. Not even the MXGP. Good Luck doing that in the MXGPs or the US Nat series
They won't need luck .
My problem is that in the videos of the Desmo 450 running it doesn’t sound like it revs any higher than a normal motocross bike so the advantage of using a demo valve doesn’t make sense to me. The whole point is that it doesn’t have to worry about valve float so why not have the engine rev significantly higher than all the other motocross bikes?
Great..I bet its amazing. I bet it rips. I bet it cost 13,000 USD. I fine with a YZ250F or YZ250 for almost half of that. And probably 10x the reliability. I only have so mush time to mess with keeping bikes running and cost per each plastic trofy or ubiquitous plaque per chump B class to achieve. They need to do better in every area than a YZ250F including cost to be my next bike. Hell, I may just get a YZ125
So Carmichael helped develop triumph. And 222 help to Ducati. Pretty cool
Kenny would be a better rider for them personality wise, but he doesn't seem like he wants to race all the outdoors anymore.
Redd from the island boys will be Ducati equipped in the up coming supercross
All the bikes are excellent. As always, the rider is the determining factor for race results and championships. Period.
In US, Roczen. he needs a champion ship.
He has 2 ?
His championship days are in the past.
Bring Ducati to America. The more the merrier!!
Great info. Thanks!
Ducati in races is actualy using the engine that will go in production bikes.
Latr they will start to use the "race" engine version.
Tony Cairoli will bring Ducati Desmo450 MX in Arnhem, The Netherlands, at MXGP world championship the 17 - 18 agust 2024.
Thanks I had no clue Ducati is fielding dirt bikes. So yeah, next year will be very interesting
Rado, do you think Kenny will leave RedBull to be a Monster guy? VitalMX in PitBits hinted that TroyLeeDesigns might be the landing spot for Ducati?????? I like the idea of Tomac and Roczen, but I bet Deegan might stay blue? I sure him and his Dad will probably want a proven bike and by that time I bet he has his own team, with the help of Star and Yamaha? Lot's of fun stuff to talk about! Thank you, as always, for the great content!
As an owner of three '66 Ducati singles I approve of this video.
Ducati mx 😍😍😍 forgot all the rest
I think Deagan will stay with Yamaha because they need him and will pay to keep him. I think it's Ken Roczen for sure.
Deegan will be with Star for a long long time .
Just so gun to think about! Cool 😄👍!
That tech will be hard to compete with in valve sprung engines. Dont know yet how the bikes will stack up handling wise but the engines are game changers.
I'm sure the power is roughky the same. my interest with the desmo is in durability and maintenance. is it better in that regard?
Honestly guys... Ktm closed husky,gas gas team and all Motorsport competitions. I think that lot of teams discussing whit Ducati factory team in supercross. Ducati is Ducati and live the bike is amazing 🤩 results will be came don't worry...
It will probably take over the dirtbike market.
I’m excited to see that bikes for sale. My boy wants to buy a Ducati.
I remember reading that Norton used desmo in the 20’s
Beautiful Bike and Super Fast , Well Done Ducati 👏👏👏
USA here, BRING IT!!!!!!!
love to see ducati in mx but when did Italy chnge its name to Europe , owned a vtwin once so good luck prospective mx bike owners !
I cannot wait for this bike.
I really like the KR ideal!!!
All the 450's pack way more power than any rider can fully harness throughout a race, which is why Ducati will dominate. Europeans have always been the masters of "Hyper-Intelligent Monitoring" of their vehicles. This advanced insight lets them create superior tuning programs, allowing riders to make the most of the available power. If you watched the Washougal race, you saw KTM bikes dominating HP Hill due to their advanced torque vectoring, which smartly manages traction, throttle position, and angle. Bottom line: Ducati's tuning prowess will give skilled riders an edge and make novices feel like pros!
Yeah, a Ducati prototype bike. Let's see how it goes once they utilize the production bike as the base.
Hey Ducati, How about a dual sport version?
suspension is more important than engine. i mean if the engine delivers. they all have more than enough power and a simple look at throttle position will back this up. throttle harfly opened up all the wY. suspension goes through full stroke. with better suspension you can use more engine power. not the other way around. show me a bew fork design using magnets instead of springs and i will be impressed
Great video!
Exciting news
😊 Hunter Lawrence.
And Ken rockson.
Mmm 🤔 yep 💯
Deegan. Eli and Roczen will be great testers developers but Deegan is their flagship championship rider.
Deegan has it made at Star , he isn't going anywhere .
What a badass bike!!! I want one too!!!
We need more brands! Better for us, lower prices, better performance
They will make Deegs an offer that even Brian can't refuse.
IMO Deegs should hopefully win Outdoor, the Play-offs and 25 Supercross. Switch to the 450 Outdoors. This sport is so dangerous why get beat up for years in the 250's nobody cares about 250 records that much. The premier class pays better and he is that good.
I agree, no need to spend 2 or 3 years on the 250
If Ducati start winning in US it's going to push the price of dirt bikes way up like it has with road bikes and will not be good for your average dirt bike enthusiasts. Nice bike but could be detrimental to the sport in the long run.
Mama Mia! That’s a mighty spicy meatball!
I agree, Ducati will more likely hire Ken Roczen if they were to enter AMA in the United States...
Eli Tomac will more likely announce his retirement soon.
If Haiden Deegan moves to 450 class then l more likely think Honda will offer him a contract that he will not refuse.
Deegan won't be leaving Star .
@2216sammy, All of the Pro-motocross riders that l know of in my lifetime had switch manufacturers at one point, and it will be no difference for Haiden Deegan if he's offered more money to sign a lucrative contract, lm a fan of Haiden Deegan, and lm positive he will win few championships with YAMAHA before he moves to the 450 Class, and if YAMAHA offers him a very decent contract then he will definitely stays with YAMAHA.
Jean-Michel Bayle was the only French rider that l know of that began his carrier with Honda and ended his AMA motocross career with Honda, and he was the only rider so far to win 3 AMA Championships in 1 season;
1991 AMA 250cc Supercross Champion
1991 AMA 250cc National Champion
1991 AMA 500cc National Champion
@@FoxRacingNYC The fact that Honda has the Lawrence brothers, Shimoto and Chance Hymas means any serious attempt to hire Deegan is unlikely.
@schristiansen3151 . Honestly, l was just hysterically speaking that Haiden Deegan will be a rider that Honda will be interested in if Haiden stays Healthy.
It's all about who offers more cash 🤑
Ok since the 250cc are turning same lap times as 450cc, what are advantages here, better shock, doubt, better forks doubt, better geometry doubt, better rider probably. Hole shots do mean something though..
Great doc !
Ducati will bring big $$$$ to their AMA rider..... I think previous comments are right....Deegan.
Ken already rode the bike right around mxon last year.
Already done deal
Really? That would be cool to see him on the Ducati
I would love to see that
I’m sure Kenny would like a good factory paycheck to finish out his career.
The plan is to race MXGP next year and then they come to the US. Lets see how they do next year .
Husky and GasGas are in trouble, financially. Nobody is even sure what is going to happen with them. Is KTM next?
Eli on a Ducati would be fun eh!
Get ready for the 20k production bike.
what a stupid uphype... No MXGP rider does the Italy championship because at the same weekends, are GP's. So you have a full factory team against local hero's... Its Like you have Triumph having Carmichael drive at a local track and saying "Jeez man Triumph just crushing everything and they are going to do so also in AMA"
Yeah they gonna search for a big name... but the bike is not ready otherwise Ducati would already have joined MXGP
They should race mxgp next year, so lets see
True...why ducati didnt line up during the Italian Mxgp and race the Italian Mx ?Gp is the real test..just saying
There is no chance in the future Ducati hires tomac, or roczen, because by the time Ducati arrives to USA,2026 these guys willbe retired for sure,
Ken Roczen deserves to be on one
I feel like before they give guys like Deegan a call , they will need to be giving somebody like Roger DeCoster a call first , someone the riders trust to be running a team ...
Just my two cents ..
HAIDEN DEEGAN & LEVI KITCHEN IMO WILL BE ON THE DUCATI 450DESMO IN 2026!!!!
Coming to a dealership near you…$14500 😀
Ducati needs to start selling 2026 year bikes in 2025 to qualify for the 2026 AMA SMX Championship. Ken will be 32 and Eli 33... One of them if not both will retire next year.
Wow men, the best moto cross treil men🙏🙏🙏😎😎😎🤲🤲🤲 the engine amazing cool men
Just like with their road bikes going to be so expensive to own and maintain. I guess those with money to spend can own them 😢 not in my lifetime
@Dirt N Iron do you still have your YZ250?
No, moved to another projects long time ago
Ducati isn’t winning the races, the riders are winning the races on Ducati . 🤦🏻
ely is Chad Reed at this point of his carrer
Eli not Ely. 😄 Ellie is Chad's wife.
Surely if Ducati threw a contract at Eli that was very lucrative he might consider it if he wants to keep racing! contracts pending of course (and he liked the bike)
Yes, I think he would have to see a lot of potential in the bike in order to sign
Ducati should get Jett Lawrence and Chase Sexton as their 2026 riders.
Deegan possible....kenny or eli. Doubtful. I feel they will want to domonate! Could they get Jett from honda.....probably not. Chase? J. Coop?
I buy it 2026😍😍😍😍
DUCATI: what is your current salary at KTM?. We will triple it.. You start tomorrow..
Make a Moto3 Bike!
So 20k dirt bikes now huh...
Isn't there any other colors then Red 🤔
Tomac might not coming towards his career. A big big ask unless a big big 1 time deal. Kenny anything is possible he will be shopping around. But have to be competitive straight out of the box. Even though Suzuki wasn't ken was still up there in some races and even won a couple so not a right off for sure
Desmo's require a lot of maintenance, and you better be right, or it can get really expensive very quick.
Honestly, it's not that bad. It's basically doing a twin cylinder bike when checking the valves. It's a little more work, sure, but it's not that bad tbh
😂😂😂 I'm still laughing WTF dream on Tomac photo keep dreaming Ducati your miles away 🤣 😆 😂
Is the rider the choose going to throw a tantrum and kick the bike too?
Ducati will be no better than any other bike out there .
Being on par with everyone else is already a success story for them
mercedes originally invented the desmo
Ducati got lucky and the others spent those years engineering and testing. Ducati just copied what works
Wouldn't be surprised if the AMA disqualified it because of a unfair advantage. AMA sucks...
If it's an unfair advantage it should be disqualified.
@2216sammy so if it wins repetitively (which I suspect it will) the AMA will likely do just that. If and when that happens I will stop watching motocross. I'm not a fan of ANY sport where the rules get changed to create a level playing field. Motocross is starting to be worse than NASCAR. Look at all of the empty seats at a NASCAR event, that's what will end up happening in Motocross guaranteed
Ducati Is only competing in Italy not in Europe 😅
Everyone calm down. In a year or two KTM will buy Ducati and Triumph.
😂 no way bro
Bro ktm is literally failing
But you know Ducati is a part of VW group?
No , its not.
jett
Deegan is not going to Ducati. Ridiculous
its cool to see other manufactures entering the market/MX racing in the USA. Desmo is cool, but that head...lol looks ridiculous
Hold your horses man, , dominates in EU motocross? you know nothing about motocross in europe, Motocross in Italy is second division, first division you have, German, Netherlands, Belgium France and UK, then you have Italy, Spain and France.
SUZUKI.... Nuff said. It comes down to Rider.
It will probably be fast until it breaks . No thank you.
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