2024 GMC Sierra 2500 Duramax VS RAM 2500 Cummins MPG & Performance Test: Is The Duramax Way Better?
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- Check out this comparison between the 2024 GMC Sierra Duramax and 2023 RAM 2500 Cummins. In this video you will see timed 0-60 and MPG! || Like || Subscribe || Share || #gmcsierra #ram2500
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I have the '24 GMC 3500 and just towed my new 14k lb 5th wheel for a week...let's just say the engine exhaust work really freaking good when it kicks in! Like seriously good! GMC seems to let the transmission do it's work to slow you first before it lets the engine exhaust take over. It slowed me in the Arkansas Ozarks from 75 to 65 on a steep downhill in only a few seconds, but only after I had tapped the brakes to get it to kick in.
As for the turbo lag, I feel it too, but I've already learned to rev the engine a little before I need to gun it into traffic quickly. You test the 0 to 60 again, but with the revs higher when you launch!
I do miss the seats in my '20 Ram 1500 tho. Wife hates the GMC seats on long trips already. 😅
Ram has the best exterior and interior since 2019, I give credit to gm because finally catch up with the interior, ford and gm have to redesign almost every year just to be able to catch up with ram.🎉🎉
GMC 3.38- I was in the mountains of West Virginia and I can say the exhaust brake on our 2022 Duramax SIERRA 2500 worked GREAT!!!
Love the new charts you are putting up so we can really see the numbers side by side - but you listed these trucks as 3500 LOL little typo! Thanks for the review
After owning a 2022 ram 3500 and now the Duramax 3500 both long bed, the ram have that long lag were the Duramax not as much. I like the way the cummins sound but the Duramax I'm getting use to the sound, the seat in the Ram is more comfortable than the Duramax which I am adopting.
The fuel mileage in the Ram I was getting on the highway about 21-22 with the cruise control on buy with the new Duramax I'm still testing. I have a long trip coming up with the new Duramax next week that I will be checking it out buy with the Ram I tow a 5th wheel cross country and man I love it. The 5th wheel I have now which I haven't weight it yet buy I would guess it's about 14k-15k lbs, I will check to see how the Duramax do but I don't see any issues. Awesome video JD.
I'll keep my 2019 Ram 3500hd, best exhaust brake, period.
Are you talking about hauling or towing? Towing wise that's nothing but if you're referring to hauling as in putting it in your bed that's beyond idiotic. It's max hauling capacity is 1,820 it's. You nearly doubling that can cause damage to your bed, power powertrain and make you a hazard to people around you.
@@CG_86 I think that you commented on the wrong post.
@@enjoytomorrowtoday Yep definitely did
I really wanted a RAM but I got a 2019 GMC with a true Allison 6 speed and I could say the exhaust break works really good
Hey JB your spreadsheet at the end said 3500, but I know these are 2500s.
Long time subscriber, love the content. Get back in a Ram 😉but I understand comparison videos make you a living. Hope all is well with the fam!
I have owned a 2016 3500 HO Cummins and now I own a 22 3500 Duramax. The Duramax greatly benefits from a little brake torquing before launch. There is no torque management like the Ram. I timed both in stock form with some brake torquing. At 6400 feet above sea level (where we live) the Duramax was a full second faster 0-60 7.7 seconds. Now, my Cummins was tuned. When I cranked up the Cummins to level 6 with some brake torquing it hit 60mph in 5.9 seconds with a whole heapin’ of black smoke.
I love my 2018 ram 3500 mc 130500 kms /85000 miles just got a 150 point inspection nothing to repair. i believe we got a wednesday truck.
What about the 2023 Ram 6.4 vs 2024 Chevy 6.6.
Do you see the difference in the 10 speed chevy.
Thanks for the fair Evaluation. You cannot ignore the fuel issue. The ram delivers greater than 10% more distance on the same fuel. With diesel around So Cal at 18:24 the high $4/gal to low $5/gal that’s the same as buying fuel for 50 cents less per gallon! Imagine saving $10/tank.
yeah but the ram is failing every month...
I have a 2022 Chevy 3500 duramax and just finished a 500 mile trip getting 21.5mpg average calculated.
I'm wondering when ram is going to quit teasing us about a 9 speed Allison and do it , a Cummins paired up with Allison tranny would be the ultimate 😁👍
I tested the 24 GM and the dead pedal lag was really notable. I messaged different CZcamsrs and your the only one who felt it also. It was really annoying in traffic. Some comments back were that this was normal but I've never felt it that bad when i drove the 1st Gen LP5. Its something in the GM tune.
Gotta agree but a pedal commander or a Banks and she’s a complete BEAST.
We got 4 new duramax 22 23s Out pull the dodges . Better fuel mileage 10x more reliable. With no died pedal.
@@neilenglot3039 I haven't noticed any lag in the 22 23s. In 24 they made changes to the turbo, and its controller as well as some injector and piston changes. The new electronic turbo controller is suppose to be much quicker so I expected no lag at all, but was disappointed when I dove it. I dont think its any of these changes that are causing the lag, I think it's the ECM programming that's trying to eliminate low RPM soot before the turbo spools up that would cause the DPF to regen more often.
I ordered a new 24 before driving one and am trading my 2018 Ram in but after driving one im not sure.
Drive a 24 and let us know.
My 2024 Ultimate had an update on Friday........pedal is now better than my 2022 F450
@360degreemachinery That's good to hear. Was the update automatically loaded to your truck, or did you have the dealer update it?
Can someone please tell me what truck to get I'm almost 17 and I need to know which is better, I've worked my ass off and have a good chunk of money to spend. So now I'm just wondering which one is better, I live off-road and sometimes tow Cat tractors with my Dad's 2021 F450. So I need one with enough power for heavy duty towing and ruff and rugged terrain.
2WD or 4WD, Tire sizes and psi are important info to include
Another input, the New Chevy and Gmc, there trucks, are massive in the front,, love it, I used to Drive over the road, in a Kenworth large car,, so like the size of gm trucks,
Exhaust brake works a lot better with the torque converter locked up, you need to be in tow/haul mode
To be honest with a truck I dont concern with 0-60. I want it to pass quickly so maybe 50-75. Kinda hard to test I think but I cant tell how many time a decently fast truck from the start is a pig trying to pass someone.
I say dmax on acceleration and cummins on mpg, but there’s always little variables that may tweak the results.
I am not a ram guy, but i agree when it is said that the oversquare cummins makes great low end torque, better than the other two. However i do not believe in the 68. Glad to see the latest rams have gotten away from the cp4.
3.42 accelerated like a turd
I say no matter what brand or even engine you prefer or are true to, GMC/Chevy although still expensive and possibly overpriced are still giving you more for your money. Ive had all 3 brands over the years and since I dont really tow heavy or often, and don't want to deal wil the emissions BS, I will be ordering an LT 2500 Silverado with the 6.6 gas and the options I want from my local Chevy dealer. Just working on a price.
Chevy is trash and should have went away instead of being bailed out by stealing from taxpayers.
Duramax is a beast!
Jeez, guys, on GM trucks press and hold the Traction Control switch - HOLD it in until you see both Traction Control AND Stabillitrak turn off (you'll see yellow icons in the gauge display). Put the truck in Tow/Haul mode (this increases the line pressure on the clutches in the tranny and will help prevent slippage and limp-mode). Put the truck in 4WD HI, step on the brake with your left foot, press on the gas pedal and bring it up to about 1,500 rpm for a couple seconds. This will allow the turbo to spool, and then go to the floor with the gas pedal while at the same time coming off the brake - and HOLD ON. You aren't gonna believe what these trucks will feel like coming off the line with a 4WD boosted launch.
Ive put a little over 3,100 lbs in my '21 Sierra 5.3L, handled it with no problem!
I have a '24 Chevy 3500 Duramax. The gas mileage isn't as good as my '15 Duramax, but with some work it will be better. I use Power Service Cetane Boost with every tank fill-up. It may be eliminating the lag you're experiencing.
I’ve owned a 2017 Laramie, and now a 2020 Limited Cummins and routinely pull a 10k car hauler. I do find all the hand wringing about tow rating to be a little silly as very few will tow more than about 12-13k. But the brands don’t have much else for bragging rights. It is disappointing that Ram is so slow in updating, but their interior from the 19 refresh was so far ahead of the rest as to not heed it. I am looking to upgrade and my towing needs are reduced a bit now so I am looking to move to a gas option but still an HD truck. I am looking at Ford to see if the interior upgrades are enough to get me to buy my first Ford in 40 years. We’ll see.
I love the look of the F250. I tool one for a test drove a couple of months ago and I could not get myself to like it. The cab just did not fit me like my Sierra does.
Cummins
Ok here is my 2 cents worth A 2500 is a 2500. Doesn’t matter what brand it is it’s a 2500 Back in the day guys understood what you could tow and haul with a 2500. There were no numbers from dealers. For me Cummins all the way In 20 years the 5th gens will still be wanted unlike the chevys. Every year of Dodge with a Cummins is still really sought after except maybe a 3d gen and some people even like them No comparison. Don’t get hung up on the numbers folks
Stupid torsion bar IFS from 20 years ago, and the way the V8 packages for maintenance just sucks. Had one, didn't keep it long term for that reason.
I’ll be happy to disrespect the Firestone tires for ya JB. My first HD truck had them and had to replace at 25,000 miles. Firestone Workforce tires are garbage.
Down shift a gear and turn on the exhaust brake. I rarely use the brakes
JB, you gotta stop screwing around and hook your 5’er to yours and hit that grade so we can all see if the 37’s are straight or not. Let’s go!
I bought RAM ! 2500 Rebel Cummins.
I think you gotta put the GMC in tow haul mode for a better take off. If I remember correctly, it basically skips 1st gear when not in tow/haul mode. You should do it again for the GMC.
Also, before watching the RAM, I’m still taking the 10speed tranny of the GM to be faster than the RAM’s 68RFE with the low-output Cummins
If your sierra was a 3500 youd get 1st gear starts. The 2500 only get 2nd gear start unless you manually drop it. Probably where the lag is with torque management
The "turbo lag" he experienced was the torque management programmed into the 2500 GM trucks. 3500 trucks do not have this software programming.
You should have got the 6.7 HO engine to try
GMC for us!
my 2016 ram is failing every month it feels like with 143000...transmition in march, waterpump now, radiator last year
That’s nothing compared to ford, they have catastrophic engine failures with very low mileage, and I’ve seen some chevys with transmission failures as well.
I'm curious as to why you got rid of your Ram? The 6.7 Cummins is hard to beat in a diesel package..
Can you elaborate pls? I currently have a 96 f250 7.3 but looking for something much newer now
Great job….checked out a diesel mechanics channel and they claim cummins won’t hold up in the diesel world……worth checking on these videos!!!!..although cummins has been around for many years!!!
Well, I've got 347,000 on my 1999 Dodge 3500, and it's running just fine.
I love my 23 Chevy custom. But in the future on my next truck purchase whether it be ram or gm I will definitely be ordering my next truck to get it exactly the way I want. Maybe in 3 or 4 years when I’m ready gm will have more comfortable seat options and maybe ram will have a total redesign for under the hood and the exterior looks.
I am order a 2024 Silverado LT 3500 with like every option added. Would love to get an Ltz but I’m up to $65k really don’t want to go any higher
Ram only needs 6cyls to do what GM and Ford 8cyls can do. Lol
Tell us you don’t know anything without telling us you don’t know anything 🤦♂️ number of cylinders makes zero difference. It’s the displacement. FYI semis have 6 cylinders…
There is a reason you see Cummins always winning truck pulls for the majority of them. It's real funny seeing Chevy's and Ford's running Cummins motors at the pulls too 🤣
Not mention that they use 10 speed transmissions
Most train diesels pull 40-50 loaded cars with only 12 cylinders. It’s all about the output
@@Billybob50119 The guy is broke that his RAM is not giving optimal outcomes. RAM makes the most stupid trucks in the market. (telling it out of experience with 2 RAMs)
1. They have less HP than the other two.
2. They're ridiculously slow.
3. They make the most tiniest cab in the segment making it uncomfortable for the rear passengers.
4. They cost more than the other two. (in similar trims)
5. They damn heckin' RUST.
Now some people argue that the Cummins can tow more. True, but how much more? 1000lbs? Is that all you want? I can't in life imagine why anyone would buy a RAM currently. I bought a RAM 3500 back in 2015, later bought a 2020 RAM 3500 Dually, traded it in for an F-350 in 2022 and currently have a GMC 3500 Denali. Sad to see RAM still going with the 2020 config.
I'm pretty sure Ram keeps it at 10k, so businesses can use them. Over that you get into Dot #'s, CDL, etc. And good news if you need more you can just buy the 3500.
Lag is because it is a 2500 and has torque management in the first 3 gears
So both are nice trucks first of all. However I honestly don’t think Ram is a truly viable option in the 3/4 ton segment. There’s just too many compromises you have to make with them.
On the flip side with GM you actually don’t have to go to a 3500 unless you just want to, and that was before the max tow package on the 2500s.
I say it a lot but it’s just the true facts. Ram is way behind GM and Ford in this segment. Way behind.
GMC. Hands down. I’ve driven them all. GMC. All the way
Definitely the Duramax for me. Plenty capable enough for most.
Capable if you don’t use your truck everyday.
Monster trucking you sound like a bad joke 🤣 what do you know Jack
@@chanceheimann919 I do know the Duramax is a turd. It accelerates like molasses and the overall truck is just garbage. I’ve owned 2 brand new ones and never will I buy GM garbage again. My 2021 and 2022 where both left inoperable at about 5k miles. Both frames had rust all over them not even 6 months old. Sold both of these trucks back to the dealer. Never again.
GM don’t have the Allison any more. The 10 speed transmission that GM has behind the Duramax is a Ford trans. Allison let them put their brand on it and I feel it was a huge mistake considering all the problems the 10 speeds have been having. Also if you want to put Horsepower comparisons, you should get the Ram 3500 H.O. With the 6 speed Aisin trans with over 1,000lbs torque Vs the Duramax.
The Cummins 8-speed is for me, a little smoother than the 10-speed Duramax. Seems GM may maybe one revision away
Cummins for the win
My 21 l5p isn’t that kind of a delay
That's not near far enough for fuel mileage comparison but all agree with the GMC all the way
Gotta compare 3500s and get the HO Cummins.
The mega cab is around 800lbs more than the crew which is most equivalent to the gmc.
with my 24 if u drive it aggressively for a bit it will accelerate alot quicker. otherwise it will take off gently.
GMC, Step up the seat package I'm GMC Please!
Cummins!!!!
Best motor…Cummins….best. Truck…chevy@@@@
GMC all the way
Ram all tbe way
Gm is garbage
I’m a GM fan more than any other truck brand. Love them. I would own and drive a Ram if towing regularly for exhaust brake and ease of maintenance on the straight six. For my personal vehicle…GM HD
G ay M ans C ar
GMC engineering is beyond ram and ford
You say your 6.6 Gasser is slow but the Cummins is very close to the same 0-60 time, less than 10% difference 🤔
The 2500 rams come with a detuned Cummins makes around 800 torque and 370 hp the modern gassers really aren’t as bad as people say they are.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 exactly!
I hope GMC!
Gotta be in trailer mode, lol
Excellent intelligent information! You know my answer? It's a no-brainer GMC all the way! The Ram 2500 with the inferior 68 RFE and emission problems too. GMC all the way home! If the 3500 single axle 425hp/1000ft. Then I would go for the Ram all the way home! But thank God for my 2004.5 H.O Cummins 525hp Modified. With highly modified 48RE! I'm Old School. I'm good! Smog exempt!
Why not test the high output the horse power is closer the torque is more
Chevy with the 10speed easily, no comparison
Duramax
That's funny as you were getting rid of your RAM. I got rid of my LML Duramax to get a ram 2500 limited. now a year later. I'm getting rid of the RAM and getting the 2023 Chevy 2500 night edition,Duramax with the 22 inch wheels I know. I'm gonna lose money on that ram. I put a lot down on it so I have equity for only having it for a year. I think chevy killed it with the new all black high country.
💥💥 IM NOT WANNA LIE BUT I USE TO HAVE A GMC SIERRA 2500 and is just a piece of 🗑️ ❌CRAP❌🗑️ AFTER 150,000 milles start with so many problems and I use it as a construction work truck everyday, I have a trailer and didn’t put so much heavy staff and I have to many problems with it but …….
I GET A ❌💥💥RAM 2500 Laramie LongHorn Manual Transmission is beast everywhere I go 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Forget all those mpg numbers.. when you drive big rig and work on them for over 35 years we never ever tried to use mpg as an indicator. Diesel motors are based iron efficiency.. most guys like cat cummins Detroit all have numbers we look at and that is lbs of fuel burn per torque and hp... just like my 5.9 99 ram was getting 21 plus on highway.. my 2012 6.7 gets maybe 15 on highway.. but again you look at hp n tq between the 2 motors it will always require more fuel burn just because of increase in hp n tq... its really not about miles over speed like a gas... the prob is the big three just want to show off speed performance and how fast it can tow off the line... I'm mean really. I have a mack a freightliner and they range between 425hp to 500 on freightliner... believe it out not I dont care about 0 to 60. Every tractor will move 70k plus... and get itnto highway speed within a mile or so.. .its all about longhaul and minimal repairs for at least half a million miles....
Ram is good on gas mean diesel
Using a trip meter for mpg is a sin. They are horrifically inaccurate.
I think the GMC will win
Ram is very
Duramaaxxxx
Gm is a pretty boy occasional work truck. Ram is for everyday working. 2500 series trucks are a joke to be gone with, but if I had to choose one, it’s be rhe Cummins with the ho and aisin.
Lol to everything you said
2500s are a joke? And weird that GM is a pretty boy truck… I guess all of the duramax trucks that I see with company logos and utility beds are just for looks and nothing else
You sound like someone who has never owned trucks like these and can’t afford them to begin with
Define work??? Pulling trailers isn’t the only job in the world. The majority Of the businesses in this country who need a work truck only need a 2500. Plumbers. Carpenters. Welders electricians. People who use little trucks to pull trailers for work are a very little piece of the pie compared to the others I just mentioned.
@@Bostonharborwater what I classify as work is when the power house (truck) is primarily used to operate business. Since 2500 are small trucks and I have no use for them, I typically overlook them. Daily towing and hauling primarily is what I consider a working to truck to be and able to do. What you described is low weight businesses. These trucks for them, are more of an office than a working truck.
GMC make great non daily trailering trucks as the can’t handle the stresses day in and out. This is why rams inline 6 is primarily used for hotshot and transport. People do use the ford 6.7, but rarely does anyone hotshot with a GMC. There are a few people, maybe a handful on CZcams, but the rest is RAM.
@@MonsterTruckingCo. That’s an excellent story
@@Bostonharborwater bottom line. No one buys a gmc to really work hard for them. They’re garbage. They don’t hold up for transport and hauling. Plumber and general construction, these are right at home with. I had a brand new 2020 and 2021 gmc Sierra 3500 and both where sold back to the dealer not even 6 months after owning. They are not meant for hard work.
Ram on takeoff
Gmc on top end
Both are great hammers and both will drive a nail! Ram has the nicest interior options but ride is nicer in the gmc! Ford is a good truck also.
Back in the, Day.. CAT. 3406,, HMM, pump em up, they smoke any thing, , Then the Yamaha Detroit, lol, v 8 Deisel 2 stroke, lol, them things you knew what there were, they had the 671 super charger on em,, blower, they put on gas engines,, they scream, put so much smoke out,, why there all gone, but, they wind up so fast, drivers had to be on top of game to shift the gears, they beat most cars off the line lol,
Ram is the winner.
100% GMC
Good job comparing the two - on the GMC you have to tap the brake to engage the exhaust brake. The GMC exhaust brake protocol is for idiots. Another problem is when the brake engages it takes forever to disengage and shift back in the correct gear. Mike
U mean 2003 Truck better engine saves more gas then 2024 Thats progress boys? 😅
I'd be surprised if the Cummins was best at anything, but it does have the name.
Get ready to be surprised 😊…11:30 for the Cummins vs 11:36 from the GMC for the 1/8th mile. GMC did win the 0-60 by 0.5 sec with its 100 more hp & tq, tho.
@@jeffs2809 the 1/8th times don't add up since the GMC was already ahead at 60 and 3.5 mph faster @ the 1/8th. Things continued in the same trajectory with the GMC posting a quicker time in the 1,000 ft and 4.3 mph faster. Run it out to the 1/4 mile and the difference will be even greater.
I drove the chevy high country, 3500 Dually, and the Crap Ram, hmm, chevy put steps on the front of bed on the rear bumper, I'm old need that. And comes with the side running board, Ram don't come shit, interior way better than ram, had all the options, 5th wheel package power fold mirrors heated, front camera, well I'm only going to tow a 18,000 lb, rv Fifthwheel, so don't care about the com apart, power,, and the HIGH COUNTRY, msrp, 93, grand, dealers sell em for 75 grand, ram stuck at over a hundred Grand, lol, screw that,,
The only reason RAM is using Cummins is because Stellantis cannot make good Diesel engines, the ecoboost died because emissions and it was pretty bad engine. I have a friend that had three engines of the ecoboost, that engines died afte 100k miles. While the GM or Ford last much more than Stellantis Diesel Engine.
Ram
Cummins is a medium duty engine , duramax is a light duty engine. Although the duramax has more power on paper, put them in a challenging fleet setting and they will fall apart.
Duramax is also a medium duty engine
Jimmy
Like Driving a big rig empty, with the Jake on, why you do that ,,put you threw the windshield, lol chevy smarter, don't need it with empty truck,,
The payload on the Ram is flat embarrassing. Some groceries and 4 adults and it’s almost maxed out. MPG is very close since the Duramax had to sit stopped at a stop light with such a small trip mileage test
It’s a regulation game Ram is playing. By keeping the GVWR at 10,000 it lets contractors get a heavy 15k trailer and stay under DOT/CDL requirements. Ford actually sells a 10,000 GVWR package that lowers their trucks payload- it’s the same truck with a different sticker.
TLDR: it helps businesses /contractors save money
Which one will make it to 300k with extremely low maintenance cost? Neither. Buy a 6.6 gasser.
Duramax...
How many Tractor trailers run V8 diesel engines?
Cummins will always be superior. I rest my case.
Sound don't make it go. Gmc weight more.
My 2020 weight is 9,125.
GMC
Dirtymax
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