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Why do we have to keep using PDFs, which are often annoying to deal with?
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As a graphic designer, a PDF is basically a final document - to share or print. Not something you'd edit (unless we're taking about forms). Yeah, editing them is a pain in the ass.
As an electronic prepress production specialist. We would get files in that had to include all the graphics and fonts and the layout file before PDFs and usually they would forget something. But even if they send you a pdf. It has to be exported correctly. And created correctly. So if they had RGB images in there for example or low res images or text corrections. Or they didn't export it as high res or to include vectors or many other options that need to be set correctly for to print properly. we would usually open them in Adobe illustrator or sometimes a proprietary printing program that allowed us to edit PDFs. Or in many cases we would have to contact the customer and tell them to fix it on their end and re-export it properly or to send over the high-res images or whatever.
As a student currently partaking in online classes, my teachers sometimes have me edit and submit assignments in pdf form. Its actually hell
Just wanted to say that. I always considered PDF as read only file.
Something that was finished, signed and cannot be modified any more.
If you need to edit a file, then you keep the source, edit it and compile back to PDF.
@@MK-bi1hj Have to deal with the same bullshit. Some pdf files are made in a way that you can fill them out easily... you just click into the text field and you can fill it out like you would on a website. But my teachers never use those. We instead get those standard pdf files that are basically the same as a jpg send over... except that they are harder to edit.
@@Will_Wel having originally pdf files also makes it hard to edit accurately in something like word.
Linus: *casualy speaks english*
CZcams for some reason: netherland captions
Dutch (auto-generated)
XD
Same dutch lol
My captions were automatically set to Korean lol.
It is dutch on my side.
Im dutch. Let me tell you, it ain't right haha.
PDFs are basically printed papers for me,
but without the dead trees.
@Kimberly Loaiza Why do you have to do this? By the 4 subs this channel has I know this is your alt stop by the way. But it is smart because the channel can’t get banned or ads
its closer to printed paper than you think
dead trees is a stupid argument since almost all print paper comes from european and canadian pulpwood, both of which have planted 1.25 trees for every one they cut down and in that way have added a forrest the size of switzerland over the past decade ... if you want to rant on printer ink thats fine but cutting trees for paper as we currently do now is good for the environment and state of forrests in both north america as well as europe
@@arposkraft3616 you should read about en.wikipedia org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_paper before writing that "paper is good for the environment".
@@GamingwithPortals report
Print to PDF saved my employer's ass when their printers stopped working one evening.
@Kimberly Loaiza go off
How so?
@@bravomike4734 we couldn't export the day's reports from the cash registries anymore because all the printers had stopped working. I told them they could just print to PDF and then print it out on paper later.
@@TheVanuPhantom Well, I still don't get it because printing to pdf would still mean printing it on paper as a hard copy.
However, after reading your reply multiple times, I've come to the conclusion you meant to say convert to pdf, present it as a softcopy then make it a hardcopy later when the printers start working again?
@@bravomike4734 The feature is called "Print to PDF" which takes the output that would be sent to a printer and saves it as a PDF.
On Windows, you can use it anywhere where you get the opportunity to select a printer.
IMHO PDFs are fine as an end product, but you don't edit PDFs. You edit LaTeX or some other format that goes to PDF.
LaTeX?
@@lexecomplexe4083 I think this is something Anthony might want to do a video on.
you can save a word doc as pdf
@@scottcampbell2707 Antony is more of a Linux guy.
LaTeX is more of an university grade text editor.
I don't think it matches Antony here.
LaTeX is to Ms Word, what Matlab is to Excel.
Anotny would be more like LibreOffice guy.
@@hubertnnn Speaking of LibreOffice, LibreOffice Draw handles editing PDFs well enough for occasional editing, as it manages to keep the layout in tact.
PDFs are not meant to be edited, they are the final product. Change my mind.
You can make an editable pdf such as blank forms to fill out. These are editable pdfs. But a reason why someone will edit a pdf if to modify an existing file they preserved from a while back. Perhaps you are writing a book and save it as a PDF. In the future you may want to reopen it and modify some information, text, or images. You need to find your original files and application in order to do so which some may not have after many years. Thankfully Illustrator documents are editable when saved to pdf.
@@Bladeclaw00100 forms nake sense, but for the other case (writing a book/document), you should always keep the source - when it's not ready to be published, there is no reason to export it to a PDF and delete the source file that is supposed to be edited. Usually when I create a PDF it's exactly because I don't want it to be edited.
@TOUKOU I would rather invest some extra time in converting or replicating the template in editable format for future use.
Signatures
@@boucaa Still probably wants to keep the original sources even after publication, even if you are not dealing with a non-fiction subject matter where knowledge of the topic may change in the future leading to a later revision with updates being needed. Even most fiction works end up with first editions that feature minor errors in the text that are subsequently corrected in later editions at least for works that meet sales projections and thus do actually justify further print runs going ahead on schedule.
PDFs are great for what they were designed for: representing ink on a page with some associated functionality. They were never designed to be easily edited and that's kind of a feature, not a bug.
Yeah, I like using PDFs for documentation that I don't want to be edited by the recipient, and don't want them having issues opening or printing it.
Every user ever: "Here are the 200 pages of spreadsheet data to use in your code. I have attached a PDF"
Me: *sighs*
700 mb later
oh no! pdf are great for docx (for the sake of sharing final and format compatibality).. spreadsheet data are meant to be shared raw..
"Double clicks it and opens it within seconds without even needing additional software because every modern browser supports it"
word or other text documents? sure, send me the pdf. Excel spreadsheet? Massive table? I take troubleshooting incompatible software over fucking convert that table-ridden PDF to an editable state.
Pdfs are like jpegs for photos. Contains all the information needed to print and share, but not intended for editing.
Similar I guess.
😅
Damn you haven’t used viewer on Mac OS yet have you?
@@undertaken5200 Everyone don't have Mac OS
JPGs don't "contain all the information" because they're lossy compression. It's really not comparable to PDFs, which in turn make sure to have everything in them.
Everyone might hate Clippy giving us his opinions, but I would still like an add-on for him to come back!
chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clippy/oaknkllfdceggjpbonhiegoaifjdkfjd
Something like this?
I love Clippy and I still have it
@@r4z0r84 Yep
In word 98 his name was Clippit. :)
Or at least an option to turn him on in settings
"They don't look all that different from regular word document". Lol. you need to take a look at Math or Physics paper :p
What do you mean? I've written a lot of college assignments with math content in Word. :/ It's true the style is not the same by default but you could make Word use computern modern and wider margins, etc... with ease.
@@Paco0parla just learn latex smh 😤
@@slipperyavocado9457 Yup , TeX is definitely standard for writing scientific documents. Not worrying about styles, margins, etc. just focus on content you writing.
@@slipperyavocado9457
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I know my fair amount of LaTeX, but I'd rather use Word because it makes more easy \textbf{for me} adapting the style of my document to what I want, and it's not dependant on a lot of packages that make it not self-contained as Word is.
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@@Paco0parla ahaha that's v fair. word just frustrates me a lot of the time, likely because I don't understand how to use it well. shit just moves everywhere when I don't want it to
As a 30+ year Graphic Artist, I can tell you that .PDFs changed everything when they added the ability to color separate into the mix. Before that, the task of getting film separations, a matchprint from a service bureau was a laborious task. It involved copying the file in native format along with all attachments (Fonts, images, graphics, etc.) onto a SyQuest or Bernoulli drive, driving over to the service bureau, Having them open the file with attachments and generating film output and creating a matchprint, than taking those to either a printer or packing them up and shipping them FedEx to a publication. That worked great if you remembered everything and everything looked right. If you didn't it was start over and repeat. It was an environment ripe for massive alcohol consumption either one way or the other. Acrobat changed all that, and I'm EXTERMELY thankful for it.
my scanner only puts scanned documents into pdf. and later on i can't edit it unless i pay adobe acrobat subscription. to me it would be better if i could just use google docs, but then again it doesn't make sense to open a google doc with a bunch of prescanned pages onto it.
it still feels like there has to be a better way but i have yet to find it.
I salute to those student who upload the pdf versions of the textbooks i had to use in the semester
@Kimberly Loaiza shut up
Bought an ebook a few years back and received a non restricted PDF file. You can probably guess what I did with that.
@@hasanbanoon5091 Oh no
@@null418 report
Awesome, love bringing in history of something into the conversation. Could you also cover compression, like zip, arj, rar etc.
I think compression is to deep of a topic for them to cover it properly on techquickie
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I second this mans comment
You mean they haven't already?
@Kimberly Loaiza doesn't matter how good your content is, nobody will support your channel if you pull shit like that. Just in case somebody reads the replies for this bot.
When reading documents I much prefer them to come in a format that means you don't accidentally edit them. Also when publishing it is normally desirable to have a format that is difficult to edit
Edit pdf’s the way I do: by taking a screenshot and pasting it in Microsoft paint
Heck yeah
Modern problems require modern solutions
That's not editing the PDF. PDF's just need to be replaced by something new, modern and open source.
some pro level employees put the screen in the scanner and copy it.
Ohhh man that hurts lol. There's a ton of online converters that lets you edit a PDF
The difficulty in editing it, is actually it's strength. We use plenty of software that edits in word, but published in PDF, for just that fact alone. As well as the ability to digitally sign it with a approval or in form of signed agreement. I usually say, don't edit pdf, edit the original.
You might need to edit PDF eventually, like when you looose original or get it from someone else.
Also easily editable and ported over to other Adobe software such as InDesign and Photoshop since both natively support importing and exporting to and from PDF
But it CAN be edited. That's really the crux of it all. Your point is valid and I agree if it weren't for the editing code being used as a liferaft for adobe after one very useful document format.
Honestly I didn't even know you could edit a pdf
@@VSMOKE1 now you do
Adobe: makes products free
BREAKING NEWS: PIRACY RATES HAVE DROPPED TO 0%
Except acrobat still costs money
@@Gabifuertes when did i say it wasnt?
PDF is derived from PostScript the printer language. While PostScript is a full programming language, PDF is lighter weight and more like a database describing how to render the document. PDF incorporates compression and adds features such as object embedding, table of contents and linking. Adobe added a bunch of features and it has become absolutely convoluted and bloated over the years. One of the main uses for PDF is to send out files and prevent them from being changed or altered. Various permissions can be applied so you can't even copy and paste or print them without a great deal of extra effort. Just creating PDF forms is quite involved and the IRS has done a remarkable job doing it correctly for many years. You can certainly tell the difference when someone creates a PDF form poorly. PDF's can make a connection to a server backend and generate a report on the fly. PDF's also have features to generate output suitable for a print shops printing press, etc. For when they need to create CMYK printer plates. Splitting each page into four plates for a full color press. The plates can be printed from the PDF input. What little editing you can do even with Adobe Acrobat DC Pro is still limited. For full capabilities you are better off keeping the source files and recreating a new PDF after making extensive changes. PDF is more a final version of a file than anything else. Microsoft tried to compete with the XPS document format but PDF was so very entrenched it never really gained any ground against Adobe's foothold.
The NeXTStep OS used Display Postscript and I believe they were first with WYSIWYG as a result. Everything on the screen printed exactly the same on a PostScript printer. Apple bought NeXT and went back to Adobe to license Postscript and were told either no or the license terms were priced way too high. So they took the open source PDF format and created Display PDF instead. This is why anything you can print in macOS can be turned into a PDF and you don't need Microsoft Office to do it either. Yet, editing PDF's is still a nightmare even with macOS Preview doing annotation.
Using LaTeX you can automate the heck out of publishing to a PDF. The Pragmatic Programmer publisher generates PDF's on the fly from LaTeX and they even check all the source code examples for the book so any failures can be bug fixed. They can release updated PDF's to fix errata. You can do things with code to include one document for end users and another for administrators and another for sales. Just set a few variables and the same source would generate a different PDF for a different audience.
It's all about generating PDF's not so much about editing them. A PDF is a final form meant to be shared and not altered. Again, even with Adobe Acrobat DC Pro you can't edit everything entirely like you can if you just edit the source files. Acrobat DC Pro is useful for converting PDF to PPT to DOC, etc. Splitting and combining PDF's and creating forms, etc. Many 3rd party alternatives to Acrobat DC Pro accomplish most of the feature set.
ok
"Take them to the office in your Geo Metro"
_shows Geo Tracker_
how is this comment so far down, that pissed me off so much
_Reads title:_ *Angry Latex Users*
Came to the comments to look for this exact one...
I see you are a man of culture as well 😌
Here angry r markdown + pandoc user
:angry noises:
Guys it's pronounced Latex not Latex.
I still own a PDF to DTF (Dead Tree Format) conversion tool, the Printer.
LOL
I have a DTF to PDF conversion tool, the Scanner.
@@ZNotFound thats cool and all but i have a DTF to DTF
@@-shakir5152 woah can i see how it works
@@-shakir5152 So basically a photocopier then?
I use PDFs every other day. They are excellent, even my CV and Resumes are in PDF format to send to clients.
When the alternative is a Word Document, PDFs are pretty great lol
Exactly! If the option is docx or PDF, I'll choose PDF every time.
Yea microsoft has xps files but I never see xps files shared online or exported.
Or just use odf
@@hawkeyeaerialphotography6652 I wanted to say the exact same thing
yes, word documents look like crap compared to a well-done Latex and PDF document.
next video: PDFs pretend to care about gamers.
If you have to edit a pdf, you're using pdf wrong. Change your damn workflow!
If only we can send that message to our higher ups...
Yeah well, I your professor only offers you a PDF you can suck it up or leave it. The choice is often out of one's reach
japanese immigration papers are either in excel or pdf format both horrible for editing...
Every heard of digitally signed pdf forms?
@@EvanAristyaYudha It's not unheard of, but not everyone has a tablet pen or stylus to work with to create a precise digital signature. Thankfully some institutes do provide tablet pens to sign on.
I discovered libre office draw could edit PDFs by accident. and it was the best day of my life
It can edit them, but I've often found that some things are not quite right. Images can become misaligned, some characters can become jumbled, fonts might not carry over, kerning and line spacing issues, sometimes the whole layout changes. For simpler PDF documents it's usually not an issue, but for complex ones with lots of images and graphics, it won't be quite the same coming out the other end. I only use PDF editors as a last resort.
@@x0myspace0x Another that I've encountered is the lack of proper support for alpha blending. Even objects in Draw that are supported to support "transparency" sometimes don't render or save correctly. ugh... I wanted to translate the text of a PDF and save a new copy. Draw botched the graphics so much that it became unusable. Don't get me wrong, I like LibreOffice, but there's just some features that are not up to snuff and they don't seem have much interest in fixing them.
TechQuickie has turned from Linus explaining things really well to Linus whining about things really well.
Now if I could only get clients to stop sending me jpgs INSIDE a pdf, that would be lovely.
This is the default output from scanners when you choose pdf as file format
At that point just screenshot the pdf because laws are fake and the world is shit so fuck it.
My scanner produces PDF files. I just use pdfimages to pull the pages out from that. packages.debian.org/buster/poppler-utils -- available from all good Linux distros.
I send them pdf but they want jpeg or something else because they can't view or open the file. Then I replied: are you using windows 98 or something?
you can easily convert pdf to jpg or png online though
Adobe: exists
Piracy: also exists
No one:
Not a single soul:
This video: exists
This comment: hold my beer
Me: so you have chosen death
Death: that's a big yikes from me dawg
Also death: I wasn't expecting special forces
Me: mom can we have death
Mom: we already have death at home
Death at home: surprised pikachu face
This video literally makes me cry every time
Who else is watching this in ????
This video: wait that's illegal
Also this video: why do I hear boss music???
Thumbs up so he sees this comment in 14 years when this video gets recommended!
Edit: thanks for the likes XD
@@Glaggle bruh you high?
It's free real estate
Yeah, acrobat is one of the most popular applications on piratebay.
@@Martin-wx8gd in fact its one of the most hacked software in history
I write a lot of legal stuff, and pdf is a godsend. The last thing I need is some clever guy editing the document.
You use checksums and digital signatures for that. Editing even the edit-protected ones is trivial.
@@jellyfishjelly1941 true
That's not a strength of pdfs at all..
Again, OSX is better at editing PDF's and does it for free. For example you can write an automator task to pixelate your text fields, so they can't be selected or scraped by online bots.
PDFs are also really useful for scanning documents (when you have to, as somebody's insisted on posting them to you).
Gives a single file that contains an image for each page, but also allows OCR to add a text layer over the top that can be searched.
PDF goes to googledrive, paper goes into the shredder.
(My beloved Fuji ScanSnap lets you do all that with a single button press - well apart from the shredding.... maybe in v2.)
Something to consider. I work in engineering, and PDFs is how we share engineering drawings (there's no .docx for orthographic part views and dimension annotations).
And unlike an image, PDFs are vectorized so zooming in isn't an issue and loosing quality. Just sucks that you have to pay extra if you want to mark them up in the PDF file for revisions.
CAD says hello!
Download Drawboard PDF. Intuitive PDF editing.
OSX can annotate PDF's out of the box.
Damn LTT team couldn't even get a picture of a Geo metro... Disappointed
Most of them were born after Geo died.
It was at least a Geo vehicle though. Same engine too, if you had a big-block metro.
*a suzuki vitara
Another important historical note, when PDFs came out Word was still reformatting its output based on what printer you had hooked up. That meant if you sent the Word file to a colleague for review, you couldn't be sure that when he/she reference Page #5, paragraph #1, it was the same as your page 5. It was one of the drivers for why we used LaTeX for papers that didn't involve equations or other usual uses just so that we could be assured that they formatted the same before printing.
I love using PDF's for almost anything, word loves to mess with my formatting, especially when using non standard fonts.
Someone actually pays Adobe for something? Except companies ofc
That's more than enough revenue for them.
This is nothing to be proud of. If you don't want premium software, just use a free/opensource one. Actually, free software has worked wayyyy better for me
@@webbie7503 don't listen to them, you should be proud! :')
The Apple platform floats on locked in work flows of graphics designers. Yes,.. they get paid.. Plenty.
@@erfankhadem7966 do you have a video editor without watermark?
There is the fact that it is one of the ONLY document types that allow you to digitally sign legally.
Plus I believe Adobe supports redaction for PDFs giving another reason why governments and large businesses like pdfs
You don't really need the document to support it. Cryptographic signatures don't care what you sign.
@ But you still need a format to store the signature, that is popular enough, that people would be able to easily validate it.
@@hubertnnn GPG and S/MIME is everywhere. That's how email signatures work 🙂
Don't get me wrong, I totally understand how PDF signing can be more intuitive to a lot of people, I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be part of the document itself.
@ Try getting that through a 70yr old congress member's head. That a signature doesn't have to be part of the document when for their live the signature was always part of the document.
Ever since PDF became an open standard, it's wonderful. As many others pointed out, they're not meant for editing. You use whatever text processor you want and publish the result as PDF. If you need editing, you do it on the original document and recompile, just like software source code.
Well said.
They're also not meant for viewing, though. Reading PDFs is absolutely fucking horrible. Make. Your documents. Respond. To screen size.
@@colbyboucher6391 Not everyone is capable or willing to write a website for their random document.
0:45 I learnt this the hard way when I was composing my Final Assignment report. I use Word 2010 back then and not bothering to convert it to pdf, then came the time to print the report. my friend was task to print it in a rental near our campus but he didn't come back for over 30 minutes, when I checked him out he was still busy tidying up the format because the rental use Word 2013 and it ruins every single formatting in our report. We spent more than an hour to re-format the whole document (back then I didn't really familiar with pdf). After learning about the pdf, I always make a pdf copy of documents that would need to be printed.
"Libre open office" is free and I have never had issues importing and editing files
I have when going from .docx to openLibre writer. Other than the .docx format from Microsoft Office 2016 never had a problem.
@@yumri4 Try to save through odt format or OpenDocument Text from MS word. LibreOffice always save odt format files.
@@justassimple8328 I know i am talking about opening a file saved in .docx made in Microsoft Office Word 2016.
I use Libre Open Office in Linux and works with just about anything that Microsoft cranks out along with PDFs. Oh and it's FREEEEE!!
@@Darkk6969 you are not reading it all then. A document made in word saved in word as .docx then on another computer open in LibreOffce Writer will not display everything correctly. Like always text is text. It seems to be more so when you use page breaks that it doesn't display correctly. Still is there and i am sure it applies to more than just page breaks. To this only .docx not .doc as .doc works fine to go inbetween them while .docx does not with a few things that just don't translate while inbetween them. More so if you are using a Mircosoft copyrighted font or another copyrighted font.
Anthony Tech Tips takling about LaTeX on the main channel as a follow up ? If not planned already, I'm sure it's something he would love to blabber on
PDF’s are also used for construction drawings as converted from CAD. Dell workstations can even come with Foxit Reader preinstalled, which can work without a monthly subscription
Adobe is a garbage company, but the PDF is actually alright.
You wouldn't say that if you'd ever worked for them :/
@@ferbinxyz am sure he meant it's a garbage company to consumers and not the employees
You wouldn't say that if you had read ISO-32000-1 (I have).
Adobe PDF Reader is hot garbage though.
I hate Creative Cloud, and I hate having to support it, and ask the end user headaches that come with it. And Adobe are not a good company, whoops they billed you by accident? Good luck getting your money back.
The background score is driving me nuts. it sounds like a windows alert being triggered repeatedly.
Lmfaooo
Ugh I didn't notice it till now, and now I can't unnotice it. Dangit.
The concept of the PDF is freaking amazing and extremely important for the world as a whole. When something is FINAL = make it a PDF, always perfect, not intended for editing.
The file format is not suck. Might be sucky to edit in, or somewhat disappointing that it's a paid service to be able to do so... But the format and concept, it rocks. And you know it.
In academia PDF is the format for article, journals, thesis, dissertation, etc. We often only send official documents or drafts in PDF.
Bluebeam Revu: it's a game changer when it comes to a pdf editor. You can even host sessions with allow simultaneous edits to the same pdf by multiple parties. It's used extensively in the construction management and civil engineering industries (basically eliminated paper submittals between field and office staff)
Bluebeam revu is the best pdf editor and it's not even close. The fact that it's only known in the construction industry is a crying shame
Last time I was this early, linus didn't have a beard
Lol
This video is just like when you have to expand a 2 lines answer to 2 pages
lol true, lots of repetition of non-points
Linus: **speaks English** "... because it looked different on their machine"
Captions: spudol, gil gtunt aaan er mischeen miejn was
@Kimberly Loaiza dude wtf
Just wanted to note that IRS form pdfs can be edited with the free Adobe Reader. They are setup with Reader Extended which allows the user to type in the parts needed to fill out the form.
Yes finally someone made this
Yes, I always wondered why all PDFs editors are paid software
Pdf sam has a decent free version that you can use. For most things
yay i agree
@@LetrixAR same here
There are so many garbage apps in play store that I had once tried and it still didn't work
on Macs you can use the built in Preview app to edit pdfs like to sign them, add text, or add pages.
I don’t see why Linus didn’t mention that in the video
Dude now that my internet situation is so uncertain (over the past few years) I am actually SO GLAD for the print to PDF feature. As someone practicing web development I need to reference a LOT and when I come across something I'll prolly wanna come back to again I save as PDF to a reference folder. It's great when a browser has great support for it (Opera lets you just right click and choose _"save as PDF"_ ). I also don't always have access to a computer so I send the main stuff to my phone too
Also, I think it'd be better if important forms that needed to be edited on a device would just be available in several popular formats instead of PDF, it's dumb to need Acrobat just to respond to something/send a form
LMAO!!!! the ad in front of this when i watched it was for .... PDF WONDERSHARE!!!
I actually love PDFs. They are scalable, great to use, to put notes and comments into and they are great to print as well. PDFs, as some others have already pointed out, are not there to edit. A PDF is not a source file, it is the result of a finished source file.
They're not there to edit, and they're not great to read, either, they're absolute garbage. They're not scalable at all, they're trapped in their one static layout forever and a UX nightmare on anything but an A4-sized tablet.
In Romania, they are an integral part of our country's water distribution system.
Sounds like a Tom Scott video?
Could you please elaborate-sounds like an interesting story!
Ha?
Linus: English as fast as possible
YT CC: OK, it's Dutch.
haha i am so glad you included footage of unchecking the mcafee--- you know we all nodded when we saw that
Thanks for reminding me of that. Yet another thing I didn't realise I was glad to be rid of after moving to Linux Mint. Install something via the Software Manager and get the program you asked for and nothing else.
Print to PDF is so handy if you need to to a quick crop of any format document.
Aight then.
Aight then
That Debris show from the ads looks like if a 5 gum commerical got a tv show
This video comes out and then the inventor of PDFs passes away. Nice LTT
As someone who works in printing PDF's are essential for a good workflow though better options do exist (just not mass adopted)
What are those better options?
Yea you also have Microsoft's version; XPS.
@@Bladeclaw00100 Thanks but Microsoft's XPS is only one option. What are the others?
@@johnbash-on-ger Postscript, I assume. Also LaTeX.
I think Foxit & Foxit Phantom is great alternative to Adobe PDF software. Though Phantom is paid as well sadly :/
foxit is the superior pdf reader.
(i think you can edit pdf's in base foxit but i might be wrong on that one)
You can edit pdfs for free with libre office.
@@joe_ferreira yeah i know but i prefer foxit
Which you don't need Phantom, I've been able to edit PDFs using Foxit Free for years. All you need.
I use "print to PDF" alot. For example to "print" a
receipt, a entrance ticket with a barcode or when I have to sent a important letter per eMail to, let's say a authority. Back in the days I had to print it out, scan it into PDF and attach it to the eMail. I mean, I cannot sent a word document to a authority. It should not be
editable at all because it could be changed or falsified. I think they would not even accept it as permitted. PDF is like a image formate for text and with "print to pdf", I do not even need a printer anymore. PDF directories are my new file cabinets.
As remarked by others the difficulty of editing pdfs is their major advantage ... but unfortunately the chromium based browsers often mess up the rendering of textures giving black rectangles all over the page, hiding text. In fact I have found that only Adobe reader(s) and Firefox will render everything correctly (so far!).
In a paperless office, viewing rendition of pdfs can be appalling ... with printing them being the only way to produce comfortably readable documents.
PS I was unaware that Libre Office can edit pdfs ... and am therefore unaware that it may render textures properly. Also Acrobat reader allows some annotation of documents for free (very useful for proof reading and pointing out errors to the originator of the document).
Surprised you didn't mention Xodo. One of the most powerful PDF software out there.
It doesn't seem to actually edit PDFs, only annotate them. It looks like a nonfree alternative to Xournal++.
“Geo metro” *shows a tracker
Exactly what I was looking for!
PDF to me is just a read-only format that is guaranteed to look the same on all platforms and all third party apps. It’s the format that I always use when handing in my university homework because I often avoid using Microsoft Word.
Been looking for a C++ library to rasterize PDFs to some raster image format.
Apparently, the PDF format is such a pain to work with that there's lots of companies charging money for libraries that handle PDFs.
Man, we really need some open alternative that isn't a huge mess.
I use PDF when sending assignments so my classmates will get a hard time altering/copying them. Or if I'm in a bad mood, I just put a password on it.
I will remember this. XD
I’ll be using this tip from now on.
The background music is hurting my ears all I hear is windows errors
It seems like I've left Spotify opened but no... 😅
Lol the auto-generated Dutch closed caption is hilarious. I particularly liked Linus talking about "smokey eyeliner"
The fact that he still says like if u like and dislike if u don't is what makes me love this guy
Funny how my teachers use the worst things possible
so ya don't cheat! lol
And so everyone can open it regardless of their software or device. PDFs make a lot of sense in many cases.
Ironically my Cisco teacher wanted us to directly edit PDFs last semester. I ultimately just gave up and took the hit since it became too big a pain in the butt.
If you are a Linux user and needs to send a document to Windows user then PDF is often the simplest way.
:40 That's a Geo Tracker, Taran. Next time do the right car.
As soon as I saw that went to see if anyone had called them out yet.
Legit twitched when they called an awesome Tracker a Metro
Also, 99% of the time, PDFs don’t display vector line weights correctly. They all become the same thickness.
In Adobe Reader they are indeed wrong. On OSX, or in Freehand (killed by Adobe) the weights are right.
I work in printing,
PDFs looking differently than intended or lacking fonts are every day errors to deal with.
It's gotten to a point were we ask for PDF/a whenever possible, because regular PDF won't cut it sadly
Word documents are annoying as i can't open them in my browser, i have to wait for libre office to load
Use google drive instead then
you can, use google docs or ms online
One drive also works
@@HeenaPatel253 One Drive us MS as well, but nvm we can use word online 😊
I see what you did there
Me after skimming through and reading parts of a 400MB PDF document today:
🤯
Your lamp is like the tripod used in first Thor movie
It's not too often that a youtube video title speaks directly to my soul.
for technical drawings they are great, you can zoom in so far and keep it really sharp compared to images
Is the only advantage the vector graphics? There are vector graphics formats.
Me downloading a Minecraft Mod:
the website: DO YOU WANT TO CONVERT PDF'S
LOL😀😆
Awesome blue color of the hat. That you for also talking about LibreOffice. And, then, there is always the older Postscript. Of course, there are a huge number of ways to make PDFs iTextSharp being an OK library I've used. Then, there is also LaTeX which is much more fun in GNU/Emacs. It is so much more fun to deal with PDF and good libraries than some printer vendor's file formats.
Funny how in our school we MUST present our works to them in pdf only
The beauty of pdfs is precisely that, it’s difficult to edit
And kept me employed till the covid lockdown.
^This
I always send quotes and invoices as pdf's for this reason!
PDF is a useful format for sending documents to someone if you don't have Microsoft Word.
I can produce a Microsoft Word format document using LibreOffice if necessary, but I have no idea what it is going to look like if someone opens it on Word. If I send it in PDF, I know that it should come out pretty close to the way I see it on my screen.
That's good to know. LibreOffice can really work when the end format is a pdf, but you'll have to live with LibreOffice from start to finish, so editing about on other PCs are troublesome :(
Awesome. Now I'm curious _why_ the PDF format is reliable between different software environments even though word etc is not. Are the formatting and font options different or more comprehensive?
I took a computer Science degree course, in the foundation year the tutor said that submissions had to be in PDF as it was "portable" (despite also using and specifying HTML, etc, for some work) they were against any other format, like a "Word" doc. However, this appeared to be mostly an anti-Microsoft stance, not a practical issue. He discounted the option of just having a "Word" viewer - after all the common PDF software still is just a viewer for a specific format. Separately, I did encounter minor issues with using PDF's as print-ready documents for magazines and other professionally printed material, but that mostly came down to hidden setting in the menu options.
I like PDFs. That the legit software to actually use them is insanely expensive (20 euros a month) sucks.
If I have to submit something to my employer, my school, I always put it in PDF, always.
@@theinquisitor18 Same.
adobe products sucks, Mac Finder edits PDF so much better & faster. Adobe sucks
@@eyomarc No, they don't suck. Just because you like something better and have access to it doesn't mean everyone has. I find having to buy a Mac to use Finder far more inconvenient. Now, coming up with a good open source or free PDF editor... That'd be a convenience.
@@jaanikaapa6925 adobe software is slow often buggy and always crashes. adobe cc is just a expensive piece of crap.
I respectfully disagree with the point of this video.
Linus Sour Grapes Tech Tips
Yes, pdf is the final expert. If you want to edit , you edit the source and export to pdf again
@@atafakheri8659 So much this. It is also really stable and easy to make from a Word or anything. If you want to print your document somewhere else without everything moving everywhere, this is the way to go.
Had no idea how hard it was to edit PDFs. I use Mac so I just use preview, I’ve done it for years and never really thought much of it.
I just loved the "AND DON'T FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE !!!!!" almost got me a heart attack :) ( if my heart wasen't a watercooling pump )
I got the notification as I was complaining about receiving vendor quotes in PDFs.
F
I can get why a vendor quote would be in a hard to edit file format. They probably don't want you editing their quote to say they gave you a lower one than they did.
@thecouchtripper You haven't seen people who want to go with one company over another so they will change the amount on the quote to make it look like the company is getting a better deal then it will. Just to get the write off on the software and/or hardware. You also have the thing of people who receive the quote before management and/or accounting can see it removing what they wanted from the list so it only lists what was approved to be there. You have the the reverse of that the quote for less stuff than should be there. A quote from a company the company you work for has blacklisted so changing the name and/or logo to make it 1 that isn't blacklisted yet. etc.
I can think of many reasons why an employee would change a quote. All of which will most likely get them fired if their manager finds out. With the "just in time" labor model in the USA it is more possible to happen as the guy who gives the quote over will most likely not be there in a year or 3 to see the fall out of what they did.
The labor model of "life time employment" you had people who had an incentive to not lie and cheat the company. So they wouldn't modify the quote.
Most USA companies use the "just in time" labor model.
Didn't mean to start a whole debate thread here. Just making an off-handed comment I thought was funny. Anywho, hope everyone has a great day and love y'all!
Linus - speaking English
CZcams - we call that language Dutch in youtube hq
Teachers: Please submit your work in a pdf file.
Me: Aight Imma head out.
@1:35 btw on a side note... Adobe does not include the Futhorc font when I save my partially completed proto-germanic to futhorc to english&dutch dictionary i am making... so again.. my main gripe with adobe is that they say "they include all atributes needed" ... but frankly they don't