I remember seeing her perform when i was a teenager. In my oponion, she was the most beautuful woman in the world. Her beauty was such that she was mesmerizing. Her dark features, her hair, eyes were too much for words. On top of that she was a talented actress. She died too soon. So unfair.
I recently watched the documentary about her "death"(murder) and am pretty sure Wagner either intentionally or accidentally caused her to go overboard. I can't imagine how terrible it must of been for her to die that way given that she had stated in an interview before that her biggest fear is dark water such as the ocean or a deep lake. She was so beautiful and one of my mom's favorite movies is Splendor in the Grass where ironically, she tried to kill herself(in the movie) by drowning in a reservoir. It truly makes me sad that she was taken away from us in such a way and I will always remember her as America's sweetheart. Also, great choice for a “today’s question” video 👍🏼
@@steveculbert4039 You ever think about what time and age brings and affects women who have, since a veru young age, been told "how incredibly beautiful you are!!".... And this continues, and continues pretty much everyday for decades to come. You naturally, and unfortunately, start to identify with your beauty being a part, quite an important part, of who you are. And them Time and Age happens. Remember, back then there were no botox or fillers. You might find this all shallow (&ofcourse, in a way it is and very much so)..... But, like Oscar Wilde said; "Youth is wasted on the young!"..... I'm a 45 yr old woman now, and boy if I had my looks from my 20s or 30s.... Oooh, I'd enjoy them in a totally different way (and not critize my thighs, my behind - back then, they were supposed to be as small as possible and flat, lol!... my nose, etc. etc. ETC.!!)
I too always liked Christopher Walken. He is such a subtly strong actor. He seems like a true artist, as Natalie was. Such a tragedy. Thank you for another excellent analysis, Dr. G.
Sycamore Sally: I have often wondered “why” Christopher Walken has always been the most silent voice in all this. He was there……and as anyone can attest, on a boat, not too much can be unheard. Unless he took a “ sleeping pill” .
For what it's worth, authorities have said that Walken was very cooperative. He apparently doesn't like (and with a single exception) won't talk about it publicly, but he did talk with the police on it.
Walken parroted Roberts story. He has remained mainly silent. Robert has dirt on him or bribed him. He did speak with investigators when the investigation was re-opened. That has remained private. He is complicit by remaining silent.
@The Dora I feel you on a spiritual level about that documentary. When Jim Carrey said that he was like channeling Andy's spirit I thought 'oh my God no. I love Jim Carrey and now he's just another crazy Hollywood Nutcase.' But by the end of the documentary I'm like 'holy fucking shit. Not only is it possible to channel a spirits, Jim Carrey channeled Andy Kaufman's spirit. ' then I spent way too much time thinking about do other realms really exist? if so can we get into them and exist simultaneously within them? do we have spirits? And if we do can they come in and out of different worlds in different bodies at will? Do they have to be invited? Or is Jim Carrey just really that amazing of an actor? is this documentary proof that he could quite possibly be the most talented actor to ever walk the earth? I'm still not sure how I feel about the documentary. But i cannot deny that Andy Kaufman is legendary and was hilarious. And i cannot deny that Jim Carrey is extremely talented.
The book "Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendour" provides a lot of details on events surrounding the death. One thing I can't get past is that she was wearing a nightgown, boots, and a down jacket, but no underwear. She doesn't strike me as the type of woman who would climb overboard to go ashore in the middle of the night dressed like that. Robert Wagner did a lot of shady things after the incident.
She was wearing a flannel nightgow, slipper socks, and a red parka. Some women don't wear underwear under their nightgown, so their pubic area can breathe at night and not harbor bacteria that can cause UTIs or yeast infections.
That was the movie that made her unforgettable to me. It was so definitive of her beauty and acting for me, it is the first and only movie I've ever, or will ever, see her in. I love her. RIP.
@@pamelahunter2053 you really should see her in miracle on 34th Street I realize it's sort of a child's baby but I watch it every year she's excellent in that as well
I'd love to see Dr Grande do an analysis of Wile E. Coyote, who is constantly trying to kill the Roadrunner, usually with dynamite from the Acme Dynamite Company, or by dropping a giant boulder on him. Keeps doing the same thing over and over and never figuring out it won't work. Should be interesting.
I read about the case online and I don’t know how reliable Vanity Fair magazine is but their articles seemed pretty thorough. The boat captain had a lot of information but said Wagoner kept him under wraps for a time after the incident. The tragedy of Natalie’s life seems to reflect the abusive treatment of women in Hollywood. May she Rest In Peace.
Kept him under wraps is an understatement; he kept him locked in a house and hired guards to watch him wouldn't even let him see his family for awhile....
I am sorry to say Vanity Fair articles tend toward what they think their audience wants to believe. They knew all about JEFFREY EPSTEIN for years and wouldn't run anything on him. Neither on HARVEY WEINSTEIN and his sexual abuse of female stars. They always write wonderful articles about Meghan and Harry. Always. Hmmm..... I subscribed for years and have stopped. They do write very entertaining articles, so easy to read , they prove to be a temptation to read. But honesty, that is something that doesn't always show up in their articles.
I'm seeing this video after it has been posted for 1 hour. And already it has 421 likes. I'm glad to see that so many other people enjoy Dr. Grande's videos too. They are fascinating!
Carli Frances no she always had a fear of deep dark water, even as a child. She has multiple traumas related to water and she ended up dying in deep dark water.
@@karlalvsmissy9437 That's incorrect. She was even afraid of being in pool water in broad daylight unless there was someone else in there to, literally, hold her hand. It's just that she was EVEN MORE afraid (deathly afraid) of being in dark water.
This story always makes me sad... and suspicious... I guess we'll never really know what happened that night. Thanks for the info on Natalie's childhood. I never knew anything about her mother. What a nightmare. Poor Natalie.
I suspect most of us know. The moment I heard she drowned from that boat with her husband aboard, the first thought that went through my mind was that he killed her.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 While you are correct we cannot speak for others, using the verb "suspect" and identify "most," when there were so many articles and commentaries about it at the time questioning her husband's involvement, I really think my statement is reflective of the general attitude at the time. Also, that it is still discussed after all these years says a lot. (I did use the word "speak" not "soeak" as you wrote. In the tone of your scolding, I will say if you are going to scold someone, at least spell correctly.)
Dr.Grande has become one of my favorite people on CZcams. His channel really is a gem. He's always exceptionally fair, even tempered and forthright when it comes to his assessment of these different personalities, and crimes/trials. It really is a breath of fresh air in a world that has become more and more partisan, and where everyone has to have the strongest opinion, or position, as humanly possible with a stance that's exceedingly aggressive against it's opposing view. And his humor and humanity are always a plus! I love those bloopers whenever added to the end as well. Thanks Dr.Grande for your insight, humanity and empathy.
"... in a world that has become more and more partisan, and where everyone has to have the strongest opinion, or position, as humanly possible with a stance that's exceedingly aggressive against it's opposing view.'' Just because it's so in the USA, doesn't mean it's the same in the rest of the world. The rest of the world doesn't hold the same ''values'' and we STILL are capable of civil, healthy, mature discusssion without resorting to extremes and partisan views. Don't generalize and don't be so dramatic dear. The world is much bigger and versatile than you apparently imagine it to be
It makes no sense that someone arfraid of water would have tried to use the dinghy at night alone. Why not tell the captain to take her to shore, after all I am sure Natalie could have demanded that.
Totally agree. I'm terrified of water so I can vouch for what you say. Dinghies move about when you try to get in them. Ppl afraid of h2o don't like that. Her death has always been suspicious.
@@oliviatree I tend to agree with you. I know from experience substances can make you think your 10ft tall & bulletproof. Good decisions are rarely made. Add being emotional & depressed, that's a recipe for destruction & disaster
@@oliviatree That's true about asking the captain. But that doesn't matter how drugged up she may have been, no one afraid of water - even under the influence - tries to get into a tiny, shakey boat. Her fear would have prevented her from doing that. If it was an accident, she slipped and fell into the water. Socks on a boat is a bad idea. No traction.
Hands down, this beautiful talented lady lost her life due to R.W's fit of jealous rage!! A crying shame!! Dr Grande, thank you for providing us all such interesting & thought provoking topics 😘 😊 Here's to hitting 500k real soon!
Very negligent on his part..his wife is missing ..she can't swim..drunk and upset..takes the dingy out in the middle of the night and he doesn't radio for help for hours?? What's the matter with him??? Not to mention two other grown men on board..either sleeping soundly during all this arguing, and a scaredy cat captain to frighten to stand up his boss and do the right thing.
"Splendor in the Grass" was one of her finest performances. She was so beautiful and talented. Her mother was very controlling and abusive. She died from her greatest fear, such a heartbreaking end to her short, traumatic life.
@@GlennaVan That’s when she had her ‘affair’ with Warren. But, Warren (at that time) surely couldn’t be ‘corralled’! He was a handsome dude, Hollywood playboy. Natalie was one of my all time favorites!
I thought Splendor in the Grass was amazing too. I cannot believe it was Warren Beatty's first film either. But Natalie captured the heart and soul of a high school girl in love and facing the pressures of sex perfectly. I wish she had lived much longer, she would have won awards because she was a great actress.
I've never understood the idea of re-marrying someone after you've already divorced them - surely the issues that led to the divorce would still be there unless both parties had put in serious counseling work?
Yes I used to have a landlord who married hubby three times. He was a total psychopath and was practically living off her but had affairs all over the place.
I married twice, 60 days the first time and now we are at 25 years. The divorce was based on a misunderstanding, and was not based on an argument. We have a wonderful relationship filled with love, trust, peace, and happiness.
She was quoted in some documentaries saying that he was “the devil she knew.” The familiarity of his particular type of abuse was comforting in a twisted way. 😔
Red shirt ! A grade school teacher once told me that I must be feeling happy that day because I had a red shirt on . I find I seldom wear red so I guess that's why I remember Mrs Dorell saying that . There was a news show special on about a year ago that seemed to implicate Robert Wagner far more than you have here . Something seemed kinda fishy about it as no-one present save the boat captain seemed to be really upset about Natalie's death .
She was an astonishing talent, even in an era when there were a lot of deeply talented people in the industry. This was also an era when people drank and smoked and took "pills" with unknowing impunity. I think her inability to find a decent man wore on her deeply. Hollyweird dating pools are incredibly shady.
I think what contributed to her substance abuse was the fact that her mother made her have sex with producers to get cast for roles while she was still a teenager. That mother was a nightmare.
''Mourn'' really??? I'm sorry but one can only mourn the death of the people one knew and loved. She wasn't your loved one aka family or friend. Of course it's natural to feel sad for her, as it is truly a tragic story and she died so young; but ''mourn''??? Have you ever lost a close person? Do you really know what mourning trully is or do you just prefer to throw this word around right and left? And don't tell me you ''feel deeply'', no you don't. If you felt deeply, you would respect the sanctity of grief and mourning and wouldn't use this word so lightly.
I think Natalie Wood was a great actress but from all the documentaries and stories I have read, she was pushed into basic prostitution at a very young age, probably by her mother. She slept around with any guy that could help her career. I remember actually hearing a story from Dennis Hopper, who apparently had an affair with a very young Natalie Wood, who was passed around to his Hollywood friends, which made me sick. They were at some hotel in Beverly Hills, and after an afternoon of sex, Natalie decided she wanted a champagne bath in the hotel jacuzzi like some rich woman. So they ordered room service and had enough bottles of champagne to full the jacuzzi. Then Natalie got naked and sunk into her champagne pool. But within 5 minutes she started screaming because champagne is alcohol which if you have any cuts on your body results in extreme pain. Well guess where Natalie had severe cuts, in her private area, which cuts can happen after sex. Dennis said she was screaming and they called the ambulance to take her to the hospital for relief. Just lowered my standards of Natalie Woods.
Obviously, Natalie Wood's best feature was her eyes. She had the most beautiful eyes. From the information I heard, she was deathly afraid of water which makes the circumstances surrounding her death somewhat suspicious. Personally, I think Christopher Walken knows the truth. Thank you for another thorough and evaluative assessment.
If Walken does know the truth regarding her death, what a terrible secret to carry in your soul until your own death. Someone knows the truth and that must be unbearable.
I have great sadness for Natalie Wood . I am sure she was murdered by her husband. She was brilliant, I think. Definitely not a suicide. Thank-you Dr Todd. Good video and I wish it could be solved once and for all. ❤️🇨🇦❤️🦎🦎
If that happened I agree but the fact that the boat captain waited so long has always made me suspect he was just trying to make some money or get his 15 minutes.
Yes, I've read several books about her. One source stated that she wanted to pursue stage acting, and because his career was on the high, he probably couldn't Handel re establishing her stardom again. Who really knows, but I believe there was foul play
I believe he did too and I believe there was more going on between him and Walken. Stephanie Harlowe on YT has a great multi part deep dive into this case.
She is the most beautiful woman. Her performance in Splendour in The Grass will always give me goose bumps. A true Cancerian, soft, sensitive, feminine💖💕❣
It would be interesting to hear your interpretation of Cary Grant's LSD therapy as well as the trauma he suffered from being abandoned by his mother as a child. He had a very difficult upbringing. Yet he managed to transform into and become Cary Grant.Thank you
Dr. Grande, Thank you so much for the Natalie Wood analysis! I don't know if you ever noticed a comment of mine under another video asking to talk about Ms. Wood or maybe others brought her up etc. and that's why (I probably took the comment down at some point.) As I'm sure you'll mention her daughter Natasha did an interview/documentary very recently. Anyway, thank you very much.
There's new evidence in this case. Natalie's bladder was full, which suggests she was unconscious when she went into the water. Her body was covered with bruises. The captain of the boat says there was a big fight on board the boat before Natalie went missing. He said it sounded like furniture was being thrown. I think it was Natalie that was being thrown. Very sad! 💔😓
Thanks for a very fascinating video. Wow, her Mom was scary. It makes me wonder how her Mom’s lack of empathy might have affected Natalie’s depression problem. Very sad story.
Dr. Grande how you manage to produce such great content almost everyday is amazing to me! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us! I wish I had 1% of your productivity 😂
The arc of Natalie's performance in Gypsy alone was astonishing! I had never heard the Sinatra story. What a sad and unfair life she had, and what a loss! I appreciate you addressing topical subjects, Dr Grande.
The big bosses at the major studios never placed the female leading ladies in as high esteem as their male counterparts. Thus, they were "sacrificed" to the big actors such as when Louie B. Mayer had a young 15-year-old Elizabeth Taylor sent to then popular Ronald Reagan. Shirley Temple put her foot down and refused to cooperate and thus went on to lead a very rewarding life. Now wonder so many became alcoholics!!!
Dr. Grande seems like such a decent man, which may be why he seems to err on the side of innocence of possible perpetrators. I may be mistaken, but l think it was Scott Peterson to whom he gave the benefit of some doubt.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on James Dean. He’s believed to have suffered from bpd, bipolar disorder, and some form of depression. He was quite an intense and troubled lad....
Dr. Grande did make a video about Dean. The analysis centered on whether he was talented enough to be a legend. James Dean surely deserves a more broad analysis. I believe his chronic insomnia and behavior patterns all point to Bi Polar Disorder but I'm not an analyst. Dean's creativity and drive propelled him to land a $1MM contract for 9 more movies with WB. He'd gained industry clout quickly, re-wrote scripts and called the shots about how his characters were portrayed. He didn't take crap from anyone. Being a movie director might have been next but but no one knows. If not mentally impaired, Dean was in a position to capitalize on his growing fame and his many associated images in the licensing arena as Gene Simmons did. Would love to see another take.
Very good analysis. I once had an experience where trying to sail a very small boat in the sea of Cortez where the water is certainly warmer than off Catelena, the boat capsized and I tried to get back on board. I struggled and after a little while the cold water weakened me to the point that it was impossible for me to climb aboard out of the water. Some people sailed there boat to me and pulled me on board their boat. I was completely sober, 40 year old male. Just imagine how difficult it would have been for Natalie to save herself, even if she was conscious and sober enough to fight for her life.
I concur with Dr. Grande's analysis. She decided to go ashore by way of the dinghy. She was drunk, perhaps also affected by drugs. She fell into the water, and because she couldn't swim and/or was terrified of dark water, she drowned. I remember reading from another source that people in neighboring boats had heard cries for help. I don't think Wagner murdered her. I think they fought, and maybe he was physical with her to some extent (my speculation), but she fell out of the dinghy and drowned. She may have passed out.
@@Olive131 If you listen to people who knew her like her sister she would never have left at night to get on a dinghy alone. The captain finally admitted a fight broke out and Natalie ended up in the water, after which Robert Wagner told him: "Leave her there, teach her a lesson". Her autopsy showed two dozen bruises, on her cheek, arms - not consistent with the storyline. Of course witnesses came forward that they heard a woman screaming for help for 20 minutes. …Just a few reasons why the case is still open.
You are entitled to your opinion. Here is mine. If one is using substances, be whatever they be, they alter one's consciousness and sense of reality. Then, we may do things we would not do normally.
Whoa! I just learned a new word! Deleterious-causing harm or damage. I love to read and love words, and I’d never heard this word before! Dr. Grande is not only responsible for teaching me more psych information than I learned in all of my undergrad and graduate psyche courses, he is also expanding my vocabulary! And all this knowledge is FREE! 😊
I definitely think Wagner, Walken, and Davern were neglectful in leaving Natalie alone however there is literally no evidence that any of them killed her. I genuinely think that it was just a horrible tragedy sensationalized by Davern to sell books and stories.
@@chad832 l believe they were fighting and drinking most of the weekend what happened was something he had not planned on did he kill her l believe. She took meds that night fell into the small boat in order to stop the noise of whatever
Ah! Thank you for this video - I’ve been trying to think of suggestions to ask for and you knew before I did. The weirdness with her death (fear of water, found in her night clothes), the 2 men on board (her hubby and Christopher Walken); I haven’t seen this been addressed properly. Thank you! Will watch now :)
How did wool socks stay on her feet ? If she was treading water, they would be off. I believe Robert is bi. RJ apparently came on to a guy in an elevator and he told others about it.
Lori Miller I’m a scuba diver and I’ve lived around water my whole life; I can’t speak to *her* socks 🧦 specifically- but from personal experience when wool becomes wet, the fibers condense and cloy to the skin. I have no idea how long she was “treading” water for. “Treading” ..... As mentioned, I think it’s suspect and my gut tells me it’s more statistically likely that she was murdered by her intimate partner in a jealous drunken argument than her trying to leave....
Dr. Grande: The background information, details, and facts presented in analysis makes your podcasts exceptional. Information provided regarding the mysterious death of Natalie Wood, combined with your analysis significantly increased understanding of tragedy. Regardless of degree of responsibilty Robert Wagner's action and inaction resulted in his wife's demise, we know he has lived a lifetime of regret since that fateful night.
As on who had daily psychoanalysis for at least a decade. Given that one bears their soul to someone who listens intently everyday, an intense attachment forms. Not having analysis is quite stressful; it is a major disruption in routine and is like... how could this person leave me? I will say that I found this form of treatment more helpful than any other. But it is extremely stressful, emotionally demanding, and expensive. I still see my analyst weekly...I could never worked through such issues without psychoanalysis. In addition, this was a fascinating analysis of Natalie Wood. As always, compelling. Thank you!
Natalie Wood: It's difficult for many moviegoers to stomach the death of a lovely, talented actress. According to Dr. Grande the use of drugs might be seen as a contributing factor in her death. I think the key to this mystery is how the Wagner-Wood relationship shaped Natalie's enjoyments. I feel that Natalie was simply used by people. Now according to St. Augustine, who has relevant things to say about these matters, only God can be enjoyed in this life, because human beings need others and therefore use them. Wagner needed Walken, Walken needed Natalie, Davern needed his boat, Walken needed a script (The King of New York), Wagner need a TV series, and so forth, and Natalie's mother needed a career in ballet, and Natalie's father was compliant, defensive, and unaware of all these needy people as he failed to meet his own needs. All these people need and need and use and use. That's life. And that's why many are afflicted by these cold facts.
Still, seems odd that someone who's afraid of the water would lower herself into the dark Pacific at night to get into a dinghy. Wagner didn't do too badly with the show Hart To Hart in the 80s. Interesting stuff, Dr.G.
I don't think she was getting in the dingy..she got on the steps attempted to tie up the dingy that was making some racket..slipped into the water and could not get back up the stairs..and forget trying to crawl into a wet rubber dingy( trying to save her life)..thats out
I agree. She was not that drunk and certainly would not go near a dinghy in the dark near water in her nightgown. Very suspicious! I think CW knows what happened and is keeping silent. Tragic.
Hey Dr.G! I'm not sure if you've seen the series or read the book, but I think it would be really interesting if you did an analysis on the Handmaids Tale and the topics regarding mental health in the world of Gilead. I've been rewatching the series and it's so twisted the way the some of the characters think. Cheers and keep up the great work!
No he’s not. He erred in favour of the accident theory despite the totally illogical notion of her setting out to sea in the dinghy at night. Everything points to Wagner killing her.
It was such a sad loss. She was one of two actresses I liked (still do) very much. I always believed that she was killed by Wagner, believing they were all too intoxicated to keep their emotions/actions under control.
Christopher Walken has cooperated with the authorities and passed a polygraph. He was asleep when Natalie died and the boat captain, Dennis Davern (who has also fully cooperated) has confirmed this. Robert Wagner is the one and only "person of interest".
I agree with Muirmaiden. When the shit started to hit the fan, Walken retreated to his cabin right away. He probably would have retreated from the yacht if he could've; Wagner was wielding a broken wine bottle.
Loved your synopsis of what happened, it really makes sense when you analyse what happens to different people in these situations. Also you have a good sense of humour. ❤️
Personally those who have that type of therapy always end up in a worse mess because all they do is talk themselves into dark holes. I’ve known people personally and once they get away from their therapist they actually get better. Those type of therapists just make money and don’t care about people getting better.
My bet is she made a fatal mistake of saying she was going to tell on him. Had it come out that he was bisexual, it would've ruined his career at that time. She probably broke the bottle in self-defense after threatening to tell on him.
Wow, no one really talks about her case anymore. I have always been stuck in between the probability of her falling into the water, or a fight that may have gone too far. There's always been something off about Rob Wagner's actions that night. He said he didn't even know she was gone until he went to kiss her good night. Their boat wasn't that big. I just don't believe that he heard nothing from any side of the boat. Other boaters heard someone yelling for help, and heard someone holler "Sure honey, we'll come get you" in a way that they said was "mocking" and not serious; so they didn't look into the matter and farther. Something went on that Wagner has never talked about to anyone. Thanks for another great video! Don't know how you find the time to keep putting out great videos so often! You rock!😎😁I would really like to see you do a video about the step-mom in the case of the disappearance of Kyron Horman? Her behavior surrounding his disappearance has always struck me as bat-shit crazy! Rocked it again Doc 😘😎
When content producers have a lot of subs as he has, they hire and train assistants to do research and writing under their instruction. Not speaking for him, just sayin'.
Always a great start to the day, thanks Dr Grande! Strongly recommend everyone support him on Patreon if they're able to. He has only one $5/month tier - a bargain for the content he provides 😁 edit: you even get extra vids like why Dr G knows his firearms
Can you do a speculation on the mental health and personality factors on the Turpin Family? If you've done it can you link the video? Love this channel!
Normally I agree with you, but you're incorrect with this one. A neighboring boat heard a woman screaming for help. The captain wanted to call the coast guard but Wagner refused this. Wagner Did Not want to look for her.
It’s not really different than them fighting and her getting in the dingy to get away, then calling for help and Wagner saying “fuck her, let her drown”. Not directly a murder but negligence. That’s just as likely a scenario. No one will ever know what happened. Her use of sedatives and current infection, along with hypothyroidism, gave way to a weaker person. Her chances of survival in the ocean are very poor, as are climbing back into a boat or dingy. Hypothyroidism results in easier bruising, and her injuries were likely from the drowning and related events. No one can argue any more for murder, than they can for accidental death.
Having watched a number of documentaries about Natalie Wood and the suspicious aspects of her death, it's unlikely she ended up in the dinghy because she was so desperate to get away from Robert Wagner and more likely he played a role in her worst nightmare and death. Thank you for the analysis, especially about her narcissistic "stage" mother.
Her mother had initially thought the fortune teller meant herself (the mother). But she later passed the fear onto and into Natalie, disregarding the original story. Natalie grew up in fear of everything. Her mother and family had to escape Russia during the 1917 Revolution. Her mother had a lot of stories. She seemed half nuts but probably also scarred too by her childhood during the Bolshevik Revolution. She definitely had a lot of superstitions though.
That a fortune teller told her mom she would die in water, how strange it happened, maybe the woman had a warning from above, maybe she wasn't some ordinary fortune teller, I am not sure of this but, it was a true incident
That was really done well, and you were very kind to all parties. I always thought Wagner had more to do with it because the case was opened up several times. I was playing drums at a Hotel in Aspen where he and Jill St John have a home and one time they came in for a bite to eat, I was on break and couldn’t stop staring at him which was impolite, he didn’t like that at all. We looked at each other and I just nodded at him because I really didn’t know what happened. But like most males my age I had a huge crush on her.
You are terrific. We will never know what happened but whatever it was was fueled by alcohol. It led to this tragedy. Love the compassion in your voice. Keep up the good work.
Would you ever consider doing a video about the effects of being the child of a celebrity? Associated personality traits and possible disorders? Your channel is great, Dr.Grande! Sending good vibes! 🙂☀️💕
I think you got this one right, 100%. They had an argument, she was intoxicated and took off to "show him", and ended up drowning; a misadventure. Did he fail to provide aide? Likely, but they were both probably so impaired neither was thinking right. She was so beautiful and immensely talented. He was a pretty boy who was relegated to being "Mr. Natalie", and I'm sure it was hard on his ego. Regardless, I'm sure he has been haunted by Natalie's death all these years, and the world has been a little less bright without her beautiful soul amongst us.
I always find it interesting when people say somebody had no motive to do something. Just because we don't know the motive doesn't mean there isn't one.
Dr. Grande, please do a video on Ian Curtis; I've seen so many amateur videos trying to analyse him and often misinterpreting and spreading misinformation about mental health disorders. He was such a fascinating character, and truly suffered through some of the worst of it - it would be great if you could take the time to do a proper video on him. Thank you so much, Kind Regards.
Fantastic analysis of an actress from the Golden Age of Hollywood! I have read Natalie's biography, Wagner's biography and Davern's book about the drowning. It's clear that Robert Wagner argued with Walken and Woods that weekend. They were all smoking marijuana and abusing alcohol. The night before Natalie's drowning the group was disruptive in a restaurant and Natalie spent the night in a hotel room with Davern. She was known for juggling men and did it one time too many. When she was found her body had old and new bruises. Another case of domestic violence leading to death.
Hi Dr. Grande. I just read the book “Little Sister” by Lana Wood. It was recently published. I found it very interesting and very sad. Natalie certainly had a rollercoaster of a life.
Great content Dr. Grande. Natalie Wood always oushined RJ. I believe he was envious of her in their profession. I really thought RJ threw her overboard, especially because he admitted to breaking the wine bottle. ( how many of us have broken a bottle of wine,??)They had a tumultuous relationship. The press and the prosecutors really dropped the ball.
I agree. I also read Wagner instructed Davern to wait several hours before calling for help when she went missing and Wagner not letting Davern turn on the search lights right away. And yes, he at first lied to the first cops and detectives about why the wine bottle was broken and said it was from the movement of the "waves" or what have you... but many years later in an autobiography said he smashed it on a table because he was angry with Walken.
I don't defend (neither do I accuse) but the argument with breaking the wine bottle is the weakest one ever, honestly. It doesn't prove anything... They were all probably drunk and agitated so they could do stupid irrational things... Also, we have no way of knowing whether he was ''envious'', it's honestly just speculation on your part... Again, not defending him - just saying that we should operate FACTS instead of making things up and using flawed arguments. The fact that he prevented Davern calling the police is much more suspicions that the foolish things you wrote...
I loved Walken and Wood together in “Brainstorm.” The movie had a dedication for her at the end, since it was her last film. The irony of the film is the exploration of living through the minds, eyes, and lives of others and the subject of life after death.
Doc, your channel is awesome! And literally the only channel I can play, and let it keep playing and playing and playing all day, and it’s never boring, never inappropriate, it’s just very consistent, interesting, intelligent information-plus it’s always fun to spot the doc’s humor! And I really very much appreciate The work that you do, and the programming that you provide to us, so thanks Doc!
I would love to see a video on the 1981 film, Body Heat. A great neo-noir. You could analyze the characters' motivations, or their personalities... now I'm going to listen to this Natalie Wood video.
I would love to see a video about Carrie Fisher if you haven't looked at her yet! (Edit: Oh, I see she does have a video; I am not sure how I missed it, but I am excited to watch now! )
Hi again Dr. G... I am an avid viewer of yours and big admirer. I much enjoy your videos on many subjects and cases. I do have a small critique. In your opening caveat prior to launching into the case details of most of your videos, you say … “Just a reminder, I am not diagnosing anybody in this video, only speculating on what could be happening in a situation like this”. Well, hmmm, sorry, but you aren’t just speculating (forming a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence) on a situation LIKE this. You are absolutely 100% speculating on THIS very case and individual, in this video, it’s the individual Ms. Natalie Wood. As you are an extremely intelligent man, I think a better/more accurate opening caveat might be: “Just a reminder, I am not diagnosing anyone in this video, only speculating on what could be happening in this situation”.
My Dad took me to see West Side Story. I must have been really young at the time, but he said I sat on the edge of my seat totally absorbed with the movie. It seems like we also went to see a movie where she played Gypsy Rose Lee, but I don't remember the name of the movie. Neither seems now appropriate movies for a young child, but our hometown theater did have limited play bills. He took me to the movies to give my stay-at-home mother a break as my younger sister was sick at the time. I thought Ms Wood was beautiful and my mother resembled her. I was sad when she(Ms Wood)passed away.
That’s so cute!! What a sweet dad you had. Many men don’t realize that moms need time. And for sure, if you’re taking care of a sick child just makes it that much harder.
It's not every actress over 40 who can still land roles even to this day from what I understand. Being 41 myself, I understand how depressing it can be to watch your former vitality and attractiveness to others fade. However, the very worst part is that your body starts to hurt and all kinds of things start to go really wrong with it. I don't know if everyone else this age experiences this but it seems like this happens to most people at some point if they don't die beforehand. This doesn't say anything about how she died in particular, but I can attest to how painful and depressing it can be, especially when people around you expect you to have the same level of energy and capability that you had before. I had a traumatic injury when I was 30 that suddenly made it difficult for me to do the manual labor that I had been doing before then since I was a teenager and even my own family, who had come to the hospital to get me after the crash and who knew all of the things that were messed up, still had a hard time accepting because they expected me to still be able to fix stuff around the house like I used to do when my shoulder injury prevented me from even being able to screw in one screw because of the pain associated with the rotational motion. They didn't understand and I was stuck, not only with their expectations of me to be like I was before the accident since my skin had healed up, but because I was haunted constantly for seven years with the sensation of the cells that were next to other cells before almost screaming in horror because they were no longer next to those same cells. As odd as it sounds, that was the part that was the hardest to deal with.
"Wagner had opened a bottle of wine, so we see that this argument spills over..." Damn! You're quick with the puns. Please don't ever stop posting your videos on CZcams. I love you!
When I was a child I thought Natalie Wood was the most beautiful person in the world.
She was.
She was beautiful and had very large expressive brown eyes.
She still is my absolute favorite face from Hollywood. Gorgeous.
@@jaik195701 agreed
Absolutely, I did too.
I remember seeing her perform when i was a teenager. In my oponion, she was the most beautuful woman in the world. Her beauty was such that she was mesmerizing. Her dark features, her hair, eyes were too much for words. On top of that she was a talented actress. She died too soon. So unfair.
Revelation 21:3,4
John 5:28
Isaiah 35:5,6
Natalie was a natural, extraordinary beauty. And a natural actress.
I recently watched the documentary about her "death"(murder) and am pretty sure Wagner either intentionally or accidentally caused her to go overboard. I can't imagine how terrible it must of been for her to die that way given that she had stated in an interview before that her biggest fear is dark water such as the ocean or a deep lake. She was so beautiful and one of my mom's favorite movies is Splendor in the Grass where ironically, she tried to kill herself(in the movie) by drowning in a reservoir. It truly makes me sad that she was taken away from us in such a way and I will always remember her as America's sweetheart. Also, great choice for a “today’s question” video 👍🏼
steve culbert 💙🦋💙what a sad statement u have made here💙🦋💙😷
@@steveculbert4039 You ever think about what time and age brings and affects women who have, since a veru young age, been told "how incredibly beautiful you are!!".... And this continues, and continues pretty much everyday for decades to come. You naturally, and unfortunately, start to identify with your beauty being a part, quite an important part, of who you are. And them Time and Age happens. Remember, back then there were no botox or fillers. You might find this all shallow (&ofcourse, in a way it is and very much so)..... But, like Oscar Wilde said; "Youth is wasted on the young!"..... I'm a 45 yr old woman now, and boy if I had my looks from my 20s or 30s.... Oooh, I'd enjoy them in a totally different way (and not critize my thighs, my behind - back then, they were supposed to be as small as possible and flat, lol!... my nose, etc. etc. ETC.!!)
Robert Downey Jr stated the powerful kirk dougl_s assaulted her brutally
@@lorabor8967 Where did he state that? is there a link? I'm interested.
Jared- what is the documentary called? (I've seen, read & listened to a lot on this, I'm wondering if I've seen the one you saw). Thanks.
No day is complete without Dr. Grande!
Mermaid Mansion yes!!!
Yeah it would be like a day without sunshine and orange juice.
Hard to believe she would be 82 today. Starting smoking at 16? Stopped at 40. Yikes
Ain't it the truth!?! I look everyday to make sure I don't miss one!😎
a very truthful comment
I too always liked Christopher Walken. He is such a subtly strong actor. He seems like a true artist, as Natalie was. Such a tragedy. Thank you for another excellent analysis, Dr. G.
Sycamore Sally: I have often wondered “why” Christopher Walken has always been the most silent voice in all this.
He was there……and as anyone can attest, on a boat, not too much can be unheard.
Unless he took a “ sleeping pill” .
For what it's worth, authorities have said that Walken was very cooperative. He apparently doesn't like (and with a single exception) won't talk about it publicly, but he did talk with the police on it.
Walken parroted Roberts story. He has remained mainly silent. Robert has dirt on him or bribed him. He did speak with investigators when the investigation was re-opened. That has remained private. He is complicit by remaining silent.
Please do Andy Kaufman one day.
I can't stop watching your video's!
That would be cool!
And Jim Carrey too.
OMG!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
@The Dora I feel you on a spiritual level about that documentary. When Jim Carrey said that he was like channeling Andy's spirit I thought 'oh my God no. I love Jim Carrey and now he's just another crazy Hollywood Nutcase.' But by the end of the documentary I'm like 'holy fucking shit. Not only is it possible to channel a spirits, Jim Carrey channeled Andy Kaufman's spirit. ' then I spent way too much time thinking about do other realms really exist? if so can we get into them and exist simultaneously within them? do we have spirits? And if we do can they come in and out of different worlds in different bodies at will? Do they have to be invited? Or is Jim Carrey just really that amazing of an actor? is this documentary proof that he could quite possibly be the most talented actor to ever walk the earth?
I'm still not sure how I feel about the documentary. But i cannot deny that Andy Kaufman is legendary and was hilarious. And i cannot deny that Jim Carrey is extremely talented.
Ditto
The book "Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendour" provides a lot of details on events surrounding the death. One thing I can't get past is that she was wearing a nightgown, boots, and a down jacket, but no underwear. She doesn't strike me as the type of woman who would climb overboard to go ashore in the middle of the night dressed like that. Robert Wagner did a lot of shady things after the incident.
IS IT THE TRUTH?
She was wearing a flannel nightgow, slipper socks, and a red parka. Some women don't wear underwear under their nightgown, so their pubic area can breathe at night and not harbor bacteria that can cause UTIs or yeast infections.
Being a Hollywood elite you get special privileges. I can only speculate but I do believe that Robert Wagner had something to do with her death.
My teenage crush. "This Property Is Condemned" is a marvellous film and she was breathtakingly beautiful at that time in particular.
That was the movie that made her unforgettable to me. It was so definitive of her beauty and acting for me, it is the first and only movie I've ever, or will ever, see her in. I love her. RIP.
One of my favorites too!
I really liked the movie “This Property is Condemmend” ,and “Love With a Proper Stranger” co- starred with Steve McQueen.
@@pamelahunter2053 you really should see her in miracle on 34th Street I realize it's sort of a child's baby but I watch it every year she's excellent in that as well
I'd love to see Dr Grande do an analysis of Wile E. Coyote, who is constantly trying to kill the Roadrunner, usually with dynamite from the Acme Dynamite Company, or by dropping a giant boulder on him. Keeps doing the same thing over and over and never figuring out it won't work. Should be interesting.
Aka Adam Schiff
Also if Coyote was hunting and wanted to eat the roadrunner, what would be the point of blowing him (her?) up?
aka Donald Trump
Very funny.
Wile just likes the chase.
This case is impossible to shake. Thanks again, Dr.Grande.
I read about the case online and I don’t know how reliable Vanity Fair magazine is but their articles seemed pretty thorough. The boat captain had a lot of information but said Wagoner kept him under wraps for a time after the incident. The tragedy of Natalie’s life seems to reflect the abusive treatment of women in Hollywood. May she Rest In Peace.
Kept him under wraps is an understatement; he kept him locked in a house and hired guards to watch him wouldn't even let him see his family for awhile....
I am sorry to say Vanity Fair articles tend toward what they think their audience wants to believe. They knew all about JEFFREY EPSTEIN for years and wouldn't run anything on him. Neither on HARVEY WEINSTEIN and his sexual abuse of female stars. They always write wonderful articles about Meghan and Harry. Always. Hmmm.....
I subscribed for years and have stopped. They do write very entertaining articles, so easy to read , they prove to be a temptation to read. But honesty, that is something that doesn't always show up in their articles.
I'm seeing this video after it has been posted for 1 hour. And already it has 421 likes. I'm glad to see that so many other people enjoy Dr. Grande's videos too. They are fascinating!
I would love to hear you talk about Colonel Parker..
The guy that made a fortune off of Elvis and no one could or would stop him..
That's a good one
Yes an interesting subject
Yes he would be a good one to do. I believe there is a remake Film of him right now, Tom Hanks plays the Colonel.
I find myself looking for these videos every day!💝
She was scared of dark water her whole life 💔
Priscilla but that’s exaggerated because most people are scared of dark water, right?
Carli Frances no she always had a fear of deep dark water, even as a child. She has multiple traumas related to water and she ended up dying in deep dark water.
@@pri.sci.lla. We all have a fear of death and we all die.
@@karlalvsmissy9437 That's incorrect. She was even afraid of being in pool water in broad daylight unless there was someone else in there to, literally, hold her hand. It's just that she was EVEN MORE afraid (deathly afraid) of being in dark water.
It was heartbreaking that Natalie died in the manner she most feared.
This story always makes me sad... and suspicious... I guess we'll never really know what happened that night. Thanks for the info on Natalie's childhood. I never knew anything about her mother. What a nightmare. Poor Natalie.
I suspect most of us know. The moment I heard she drowned from that boat with her husband aboard, the first thought that went through my mind was that he killed her.
@@GlennaVan We can only guess and speculate - not ''know''. Also, don't soeak for ''most'', speak for yourself only.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 While you are correct we cannot speak for others, using the verb "suspect" and identify "most," when there were so many articles and commentaries about it at the time questioning her husband's involvement, I really think my statement is reflective of the general attitude at the time. Also, that it is still discussed after all these years says a lot.
(I did use the word "speak" not "soeak" as you wrote. In the tone of your scolding, I will say if you are going to scold someone, at least spell correctly.)
I agree, especially I never her mother was such a pig!
Highly probable crime of passion.
Dr.Grande has become one of my favorite people on CZcams. His channel really is a gem. He's always exceptionally fair, even tempered and forthright when it comes to his assessment of these different personalities, and crimes/trials. It really is a breath of fresh air in a world that has become more and more partisan, and where everyone has to have the strongest opinion, or position, as humanly possible with a stance that's exceedingly aggressive against it's opposing view. And his humor and humanity are always a plus! I love those bloopers whenever added to the end as well. Thanks Dr.Grande for your insight, humanity and empathy.
"... in a world that has become more and more partisan, and where everyone has to have the strongest opinion, or position, as humanly possible with a stance that's exceedingly aggressive against it's opposing view.'' Just because it's so in the USA, doesn't mean it's the same in the rest of the world. The rest of the world doesn't hold the same ''values'' and we STILL are capable of civil, healthy, mature discusssion without resorting to extremes and partisan views. Don't generalize and don't be so dramatic dear. The world is much bigger and versatile than you apparently imagine it to be
It makes no sense that someone arfraid of water would have tried to use the dinghy at night alone. Why not tell the captain to take her to shore, after all I am sure Natalie could have demanded that.
j.d. thompson I agree. She would’ve asked the captain to help with the dinghy
Totally agree. I'm terrified of water so I can vouch for what you say. Dinghies move about when you try to get in them. Ppl afraid of h2o don't like that. Her death has always been suspicious.
Yes! Another thing that doesn't make sense about that night! Especially in a nightgown and socks without shoes!
@@oliviatree I tend to agree with you. I know from experience substances can make you think your 10ft tall & bulletproof. Good decisions are rarely made. Add being emotional & depressed, that's a recipe for destruction & disaster
@@oliviatree That's true about asking the captain. But that doesn't matter how drugged up she may have been, no one afraid of water - even under the influence - tries to get into a tiny, shakey boat. Her fear would have prevented her from doing that. If it was an accident, she slipped and fell into the water. Socks on a boat is a bad idea. No traction.
Hands down, this beautiful talented lady lost her life due to R.W's fit of jealous rage!! A crying shame!!
Dr Grande, thank you for providing us all such interesting & thought provoking topics 😘 😊
Here's to hitting 500k real soon!
Very negligent on his part..his wife is missing ..she can't swim..drunk and upset..takes the dingy out in the middle of the night and he doesn't radio for help for hours?? What's the matter with him??? Not to mention two other grown men on board..either sleeping soundly during all this arguing, and a scaredy cat captain to frighten to stand up his boss and do the right thing.
I hate to say it. But I feel that he is more of a suspect then anyone possibly.
"Splendor in the Grass" was one of her finest performances. She was so beautiful and talented. Her mother was very controlling and abusive. She died from her greatest fear, such a heartbreaking end to her short, traumatic life.
My all-time favorite - I cry when I see any part of it.
Splendor. In. The. Grass. Was my. Favorite. Natalie. Wood. Movie. And. Based. On. Poet, William. Wordsworth's. Epic. Poem ode bro. Intimations. On. Immortality. . "
@@GlennaVan That’s when she had her ‘affair’ with Warren. But, Warren (at that time) surely couldn’t be ‘corralled’! He was a handsome dude, Hollywood playboy.
Natalie was one of my all time favorites!
I thought Splendor in the Grass was amazing too. I cannot believe it was Warren Beatty's first film either. But Natalie captured the heart and soul of a high school girl in love and facing the pressures of sex perfectly. I wish she had lived much longer, she would have won awards because she was a great actress.
@@GlennaVan I was stunned when I first saw it in high school..tragic ending seeing Frankie and Bud together but not as a couple..😭💔💐
I've never understood the idea of re-marrying someone after you've already divorced them - surely the issues that led to the divorce would still be there unless both parties had put in serious counseling work?
Yes I used to have a landlord who married hubby three times. He was a total psychopath and was practically living off her but had affairs all over the place.
Agreed. Every person I’ve ever met who have remarried the same person, has divorced.
I married twice, 60 days the first time and now we are at 25 years. The divorce was based on a misunderstanding, and was not based on an argument. We have a wonderful relationship filled with love, trust, peace, and happiness.
She was quoted in some documentaries saying that he was “the devil she knew.” The familiarity of his particular type of abuse was comforting in a twisted way. 😔
@@maribethrobison9009 I'm so pleased for you that it's worked out, it sounds like you both came back to the marriage from a place of love and honesty.
Red shirt ! A grade school teacher once told me that I must be feeling happy that day because I had a red shirt on . I find I seldom wear red so I guess that's why I remember Mrs Dorell saying that . There was a news show special on about a year ago that seemed to implicate Robert Wagner far more than you have here . Something seemed kinda fishy about it as no-one present save the boat captain seemed to be really upset about Natalie's death .
She was an astonishing talent, even in an era when there were a lot of deeply talented people in the industry. This was also an era when people drank and smoked and took "pills" with unknowing impunity. I think her inability to find a decent man wore on her deeply. Hollyweird dating pools are incredibly shady.
I think what contributed to her substance abuse was the fact that her mother made her have sex with producers to get cast for roles while she was still a teenager. That mother was a nightmare.
W. W. W 3 W's Her beauty, her wealth, her life, her loved ones. Who?
Natalie Wood was one of my idols. I still mourn her death. Thank you for doing this video!
''Mourn'' really??? I'm sorry but one can only mourn the death of the people one knew and loved. She wasn't your loved one aka family or friend. Of course it's natural to feel sad for her, as it is truly a tragic story and she died so young; but ''mourn''??? Have you ever lost a close person? Do you really know what mourning trully is or do you just prefer to throw this word around right and left? And don't tell me you ''feel deeply'', no you don't. If you felt deeply, you would respect the sanctity of grief and mourning and wouldn't use this word so lightly.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 I’m so lucky to have you tell me how I feel. 🤦♀️
I think Natalie Wood was a great actress but from all the documentaries and stories I have read, she was pushed into basic prostitution at a very young age, probably by her mother. She slept around with any guy that could help her career. I remember actually hearing a story from Dennis Hopper, who apparently had an affair with a very young Natalie Wood, who was passed around to his Hollywood friends, which made me sick. They were at some hotel in Beverly Hills, and after an afternoon of sex, Natalie decided she wanted a champagne bath in the hotel jacuzzi like some rich woman. So they ordered room service and had enough bottles of champagne to full the jacuzzi. Then Natalie got naked and sunk into her champagne pool. But within 5 minutes she started screaming because champagne is alcohol which if you have any cuts on your body results in extreme pain. Well guess where Natalie had severe cuts, in her private area, which cuts can happen after sex. Dennis said she was screaming and they called the ambulance to take her to the hospital for relief. Just lowered my standards of Natalie Woods.
Obviously, Natalie Wood's best feature was her eyes. She had the most beautiful eyes. From the information I heard, she was deathly afraid of water which makes the circumstances surrounding her death somewhat suspicious. Personally, I think Christopher Walken knows the truth. Thank you for another thorough and evaluative assessment.
For someone that terrified of water..she sure spent a lot of time on it.
@@lesmorris10 Maybe it was a form of abuse by her husband.
I say it was their smile so I guess we have different opinions still we
@@Ovan61 well she could always have said no.
If Walken does know the truth regarding her death, what a terrible secret to carry in your soul until your own death. Someone knows the truth and that must be unbearable.
An analysis of the fictional South Park Character Eric Cartman would fully make my dad. Lots of hugs from the U.K.
Oh my god yes please !!!!
That would actually be a good idea. I'd love to see his take
Practically every episode Kenny died. Lol. I used to really like that show.
I love Natalie Wood. Splendor in the Grass and Gypsy are everything.
Inside Daisy Clover is another one of hers, very good!!
Love the good dr. He provides free healthcare
And free deadpan humor.
He's great.
Yes, he does! I learn every time I listen to his input.
I have great sadness for Natalie Wood . I am sure she was murdered by her husband. She was brilliant, I think. Definitely not a suicide. Thank-you Dr Todd. Good video and I wish it could be solved once and for all. ❤️🇨🇦❤️🦎🦎
When the boat captain said put the lights on ,RW said NO..something's really wrong there
If that happened I agree but the fact that the boat captain waited so long has always made me suspect he was just trying to make some money or get his 15 minutes.
A little late for the captain to grow a concious.
Right, if he obeyed Wagner, that was really wrong!!!
No shit
@@aprilsilvers381 Sherlock..LOL
I've always thought Robert Wagner killed her, and I still do.
Yes, I've read several books about her. One source stated that she wanted to pursue stage acting, and because his career was on the high, he probably couldn't Handel re establishing her stardom again. Who really knows, but I believe there was foul play
I believe he did too and I believe there was more going on between him and Walken. Stephanie Harlowe on YT has a great multi part deep dive into this case.
I totally agree with you!
I agree
You're absolutely right.
Money doesn't care about laws!
She is the most beautiful woman. Her performance in Splendour in The Grass will always give me goose bumps. A true Cancerian, soft, sensitive, feminine💖💕❣
Not anybody has mentioned "BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S.... but that was awesome oh my gosh
@@karenking5357 that is Audrey Hepburn
It would be interesting to hear your interpretation of Cary Grant's LSD therapy as well as the trauma he suffered from being abandoned by his mother as a child. He had a very difficult upbringing. Yet he managed to transform into and become Cary Grant.Thank you
Great topic! And his struggle to find love and family life too.
YES!!!
I am mad about Cary Grant I have been since I was a kid.... Never knew about his LSD therapy.
Yes, would be great inquiry. Also, regarding questions of sexuality.
Yes, Grant, he is something else.
Dr Grande is making me step up on my productivity each day. Thank you for the great videos . Lots of love 😇
Could you talk about finding, maintaining, and growing healthy friendships?
That is a great topic! Thank you!
Get a dog
@@gamleskalle1 Not funny
Dogs are amazing at love. I highly recommend them 👌
@@gamleskalle1 no need to be rude. Especially on a mental health channel.
Great topics from you day after day 💜 glad to see you today hope you're having a great day ❤️
Dr. Grande, Thank you so much for the Natalie Wood analysis! I don't know if you ever noticed a comment of mine under another video asking to talk about Ms. Wood or maybe others brought her up etc. and that's why (I probably took the comment down at some point.) As I'm sure you'll mention her daughter Natasha did an interview/documentary very recently. Anyway, thank you very much.
Given that Christopher was onboard along with the Sinatra rumor there can be only one conclusion: These boats are made for Walken.
Lmao!
😂😂😂😂
thanks for putting that song in my head... (!)
Very clever!
Guffaw amplified 😆
There's new evidence in this case. Natalie's bladder was full, which suggests she was unconscious when she went into the water. Her body was covered with bruises. The captain of the boat says there was a big fight on board the boat before Natalie went missing. He said it sounded like furniture was being thrown. I think it was Natalie that was being thrown. Very sad! 💔😓
You are likely right. It's shocking n terrifying what she was subject to. RW was way bigger than NW.😢
Thanks for a very fascinating video. Wow, her Mom was scary. It makes me wonder how her Mom’s lack of empathy might have affected Natalie’s depression problem. Very sad story.
Dr. Grande how you manage to produce such great content almost everyday is amazing to me! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us! I wish I had 1% of your productivity 😂
What a sad story.She was beautiful and a great actress She is truly missed😢😢🙏🙏
Dr Grande you always manage to keep your analysis so civil and everything makes sense! If something goes wrong I want you in my corner 😅
The arc of Natalie's performance in Gypsy alone was astonishing! I had never heard the Sinatra story. What a sad and unfair life she had, and what a loss! I appreciate you addressing topical subjects, Dr Grande.
The big bosses at the major studios never placed the female leading ladies in as high esteem as their male counterparts. Thus, they were "sacrificed" to the big actors such as when Louie B. Mayer had a young 15-year-old Elizabeth Taylor sent to then popular Ronald Reagan. Shirley Temple put her foot down and refused to cooperate and thus went on to lead a very rewarding life. Now wonder so many became alcoholics!!!
@@brigittebeltran6701 Yep, the addictions came from somewhere!
The story by Natalie's sister is it was Kirk Douglas that rated her..
Thanks! I strongly suspected Robert but it's good to hear another point of view.
Redpill Mgtow I would put money on it being Robert and I’m broke!!
Dr. Grande seems like such a decent man, which may be why he seems to err on the side of innocence of possible perpetrators. I may be mistaken, but l think it was Scott Peterson to whom he gave the benefit of some doubt.
yes, the Scott Peterson video surprised me, too
Carson Lee me too
That story about her mother and the butterfly always gets me.
Me too. To rip apart an innocent live butterfly is cruel, sadistic, and violent. Sorry butterfly 🦋 😢
I’d love to hear your thoughts on James Dean. He’s believed to have suffered from bpd, bipolar disorder, and some form of depression. He was quite an intense and troubled lad....
From memory I think that he has possibly already made a presentation about James Dean
I believe he has Nick.
@@Dreamskater100 I can’t find it anywhere
Dr. Grande did make a video about Dean. The analysis centered on whether he was talented enough to be a legend. James Dean surely deserves a more broad analysis. I believe his chronic insomnia and behavior patterns all point to Bi Polar Disorder but I'm not an analyst. Dean's creativity and drive propelled him to land a $1MM contract for 9 more movies with WB. He'd gained industry clout quickly, re-wrote scripts and called the shots about how his characters were portrayed. He didn't take crap from anyone. Being a movie director might have been next but but no one knows. If not mentally impaired, Dean was in a position to capitalize on his growing fame and his many associated images in the licensing arena as Gene Simmons did. Would love to see another take.
Oh, and Marlon Brando!
Very good analysis. I once had an experience where trying to sail a very small boat in the sea of Cortez where the water is certainly warmer than off Catelena, the boat capsized and I tried to get back on board. I struggled and after a little while the cold water weakened me to the point that it was impossible for me to climb aboard out of the water. Some people sailed there boat to me and pulled me on board their boat. I was completely sober, 40 year old male. Just imagine how difficult it would have been for Natalie to save herself, even if she was conscious and sober enough to fight for her life.
I concur with Dr. Grande's analysis. She decided to go ashore by way of the dinghy. She was drunk, perhaps also affected by drugs. She fell into the water, and because she couldn't swim and/or was terrified of dark water, she drowned. I remember reading from another source that people in neighboring boats had heard cries for help.
I don't think Wagner murdered her. I think they fought, and maybe he was physical with her to some extent (my speculation), but she fell out of the dinghy and drowned. She may have passed out.
People actually still think she tried to go into the dinghy alone? Um… no.
Exactly!
Why not?
@@Olive131 If you listen to people who knew her like her sister she would never have left at night to get on a dinghy alone. The captain finally admitted a fight broke out and Natalie ended up in the water, after which Robert Wagner told him: "Leave her there, teach her a lesson". Her autopsy showed two dozen bruises, on her cheek, arms - not consistent with the storyline. Of course witnesses came forward that they heard a woman screaming for help for 20 minutes. …Just a few reasons why the case is still open.
@@cwired9407 Are there any developments on this case do you know?
Were you there?
There is no way anyone with a fear of water would get into a dinghy, surrounded by jet black water of the Pacific Ocean, in the middle of the night.
You are entitled to your opinion. Here is mine. If one is using substances, be whatever they be, they alter one's consciousness and sense of reality. Then, we may do things we would not do normally.
Unless he/she is under the influence and doesn't think clearly...
@@pamabbey3057 Yes, good point. Many people seem to dismiss this factor completely in their theories...
Whoa! I just learned a new word! Deleterious-causing harm or damage. I love to read and love words, and I’d never heard this word before! Dr. Grande is not only responsible for teaching me more psych information than I learned in all of my undergrad and graduate psyche courses, he is also expanding my vocabulary! And all this knowledge is FREE! 😊
I was hoping we'd get to hear Dr. Grande's attempt at a Christopher Walken impression.
I don't believe for one second she drowned. Robert Wagner was complicit in some way.
Well said!
I definitely think Wagner, Walken, and Davern were neglectful in leaving Natalie alone however there is literally no evidence that any of them killed her. I genuinely think that it was just a horrible tragedy sensationalized by Davern to sell books and stories.
@@kadyk4185 l agree.
Maybe he drowned her with love? The water did the rest...
@@chad832 l believe they were fighting and drinking most of the weekend what happened was something he had not planned on did he kill her l believe. She took meds that night fell into the small boat in order to stop the noise of whatever
Ah! Thank you for this video - I’ve been trying to think of suggestions to ask for and you knew before I did.
The weirdness with her death (fear of water, found in her night clothes), the 2 men on board (her hubby and Christopher Walken);
I haven’t seen this been addressed properly.
Thank you! Will watch now :)
How did wool socks stay on her feet ? If she was treading water, they would be off. I believe Robert is bi. RJ apparently came on to a guy in an elevator and he told others about it.
Lori Miller I’m a scuba diver and I’ve lived around water my whole life; I can’t speak to *her* socks 🧦 specifically-
but from personal experience when wool becomes wet, the fibers condense and cloy to the skin. I have no idea how long she was “treading” water for. “Treading” .....
As mentioned, I think it’s suspect and my gut tells me it’s more statistically likely that she was murdered by her intimate partner in a jealous drunken argument than her trying to leave....
Seems like a long time premeditated set up and ambush on NW. 😢
Dr. Grande: The background information, details, and facts presented in analysis makes your podcasts exceptional.
Information provided regarding the mysterious death of Natalie Wood, combined with your analysis significantly increased understanding of tragedy.
Regardless of degree of responsibilty Robert Wagner's action and inaction resulted in his wife's demise, we know he has lived a lifetime of regret since that fateful night.
As on who had daily psychoanalysis for at least a decade. Given that one bears their soul to someone who listens intently everyday, an intense attachment forms. Not having analysis is quite stressful; it is a major disruption in routine and is like... how could this person leave me? I will say that I found this form of treatment more helpful than any other. But it is extremely stressful, emotionally demanding, and expensive. I still see my analyst weekly...I could never worked through such issues without psychoanalysis. In addition, this was a fascinating analysis of Natalie Wood. As always, compelling. Thank you!
Natalie Wood: It's difficult for many moviegoers to stomach the death of a lovely, talented actress. According to Dr. Grande the use of drugs might be seen as a contributing factor in her death. I think the key to this mystery is how the Wagner-Wood relationship shaped Natalie's enjoyments. I feel that Natalie was simply used by people. Now according to St. Augustine, who has relevant things to say about these matters, only God can be enjoyed in this life, because human beings need others and therefore use them. Wagner needed Walken, Walken needed Natalie, Davern needed his boat, Walken needed a script (The King of New York), Wagner need a TV series, and so forth, and Natalie's mother needed a career in ballet, and Natalie's father was compliant, defensive, and unaware of all these needy people as he failed to meet his own needs. All these people need and need and use and use. That's life. And that's why many are afflicted by these cold facts.
Still, seems odd that someone who's afraid of the water would lower herself into the dark Pacific at night to get into a dinghy.
Wagner didn't do too badly with the show Hart To Hart in the 80s.
Interesting stuff, Dr.G.
I don't think she was getting in the dingy..she got on the steps attempted to tie up the dingy that was making some racket..slipped into the water and could not get back up the stairs..and forget trying to crawl into a wet rubber dingy( trying to save her life)..thats out
I agree. She was not that drunk and certainly would not go near a dinghy in the dark near water in her nightgown. Very suspicious! I think CW knows what happened and is keeping silent. Tragic.
Looking suave in that red shirt, Doc! Coming through again with the interesting content~
Hey Dr.G! I'm not sure if you've seen the series or read the book, but I think it would be really interesting if you did an analysis on the Handmaids Tale and the topics regarding mental health in the world of Gilead. I've been rewatching the series and it's so twisted the way the some of the characters think. Cheers and keep up the great work!
Would be great!
you’re the best Dr. Grande
No he’s not. He erred in favour of the accident theory despite the totally illogical notion of her setting out to sea in the dinghy at night.
Everything points to Wagner killing her.
It was such a sad loss. She was one of two actresses I liked (still do) very much. I always believed that she was killed by Wagner, believing they were all too intoxicated to keep their emotions/actions under control.
Christopher Walken knows what happened. But he has never been held responsible
How can you be so sure? It was a yacht, not a sailboat.
I’m kinda getting the impression that everyone onboard was blackout drunk. It’s possible he genuinely doesn’t know/remember.
Christopher Walken has cooperated with the authorities and passed a polygraph. He was asleep when Natalie died and the boat captain, Dennis Davern (who has also fully cooperated) has confirmed this. Robert Wagner is the one and only "person of interest".
I agree with Muirmaiden. When the shit started to hit the fan, Walken retreated to his cabin right away. He probably would have retreated from the yacht if he could've; Wagner was wielding a broken wine bottle.
He didnt do wrong. I do believe he knows the truth in his heart
I’m so glad you covered this one!
Yaaay!! Thanks much, Dr. Grande! Love all of these different personalities, so much. Blessings!! 🎉🎈🌟✨🙏🙏
Loved your synopsis of what happened, it really makes sense when you analyse what happens to different people in these situations. Also you have a good sense of humour. ❤️
Personally those who have that type of therapy always end up in a worse mess because all they do is talk themselves into dark holes. I’ve known people personally and once they get away from their therapist they actually get better. Those type of therapists just make money and don’t care about people getting better.
I always thought foul play was involved on Natalie's death. RW seems dishonest to me🧐
@Avalanche I'm 99.8% sure he did.
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My bet is she made a fatal mistake of saying she was going to tell on him. Had it come out that he was bisexual, it would've ruined his career at that time. She probably broke the bottle in self-defense after threatening to tell on him.
Wow, no one really talks about her case anymore. I have always been stuck in between the probability of her falling into the water, or a fight that may have gone too far. There's always been something off about Rob Wagner's actions that night. He said he didn't even know she was gone until he went to kiss her good night. Their boat wasn't that big. I just don't believe that he heard nothing from any side of the boat. Other boaters heard someone yelling for help, and heard someone holler "Sure honey, we'll come get you" in a way that they said was "mocking" and not serious; so they didn't look into the matter and farther. Something went on that Wagner has never talked about to anyone. Thanks for another great video! Don't know how you find the time to keep putting out great videos so often! You rock!😎😁I would really like to see you do a video about the step-mom in the case of the disappearance of Kyron Horman? Her behavior surrounding his disappearance has always struck me as bat-shit crazy! Rocked it again Doc 😘😎
When content producers have a lot of subs as he has, they hire and train assistants to do research and writing under their instruction. Not speaking for him, just sayin'.
@@sitdown3983 Ah! Makes sense! Thanks for your reply 😎
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I have a suspicion that Dr. Grande is enjoying making these videos way too much 😉
Always a great start to the day, thanks Dr Grande! Strongly recommend everyone support him on Patreon if they're able to. He has only one $5/month tier - a bargain for the content he provides 😁 edit: you even get extra vids like why Dr G knows his firearms
Ooooh I'm so excited for this one! Her life wad fascinating and her death was a tragedy.
Can you do a speculation on the mental health and personality factors on the Turpin Family? If you've done it can you link the video? Love this channel!
How about an Ivanka Trump segment?
Normally I agree with you, but you're incorrect with this one. A neighboring boat heard a woman screaming for help. The captain wanted to call the coast guard but Wagner refused this. Wagner Did Not want to look for her.
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It’s not really different than them fighting and her getting in the dingy to get away, then calling for help and Wagner saying “fuck her, let her drown”. Not directly a murder but negligence. That’s just as likely a scenario. No one will ever know what happened. Her use of sedatives and current infection, along with hypothyroidism, gave way to a weaker person. Her chances of survival in the ocean are very poor, as are climbing back into a boat or dingy. Hypothyroidism results in easier bruising, and her injuries were likely from the drowning and related events. No one can argue any more for murder, than they can for accidental death.
Having watched a number of documentaries about Natalie Wood and the suspicious aspects of her death, it's unlikely she ended up in the dinghy because she was so desperate to get away from Robert Wagner and more likely he played a role in her worst nightmare and death. Thank you for the analysis, especially about her narcissistic "stage" mother.
I love Splendor In The Grass, I still cry every time I watch it.
The fortune teller also told her mother that Natalie would die in water, if i'm not mistaken.
Yes, something of the sort. That’s where the fear of waters came from. She was so beautiful and independent. Very tragic ❤️
Her mother had initially thought the fortune teller meant herself (the mother). But she later passed the fear onto and into Natalie, disregarding the original story. Natalie grew up in fear of everything. Her mother and family had to escape Russia during the 1917 Revolution. Her mother had a lot of stories. She seemed half nuts but probably also scarred too by her childhood during the Bolshevik Revolution. She definitely had a lot of superstitions though.
That a fortune teller told her mom she would die in water, how strange it happened, maybe the woman had a warning from above, maybe she wasn't some ordinary fortune teller, I am not sure of this but, it was a true incident
Could you analyze Earnest Hemingway? I’ve been interested in him since college
Grest suggestion.
That was really done well, and you were very kind to all parties.
I always thought Wagner had more to do with it because the case was opened up several times. I was playing drums at a Hotel in Aspen where he and Jill St John have a home and one time they came in for a bite to eat, I was on break and couldn’t stop staring at him which was impolite, he didn’t like that at all. We looked at each other and I just nodded at him because I really didn’t know what happened. But like most males my age I had a huge crush on her.
You are terrific. We will never know what happened but whatever it was was fueled by alcohol. It led to this tragedy. Love the compassion in your voice. Keep up the good work.
Would you ever consider doing a video about the effects of being the child of a celebrity? Associated personality traits and possible disorders? Your channel is great, Dr.Grande! Sending good vibes! 🙂☀️💕
One of her best roles was in "Love With the Proper Stranger" with Steve McQueen. She was so beautiful!
That is an excellent, and underappreciated, film.
Love love love Splendor in the Grass. Phenomenal movie and performance by Natalie Wood!
I think you got this one right, 100%. They had an argument, she was intoxicated and took off to "show him", and ended up drowning; a misadventure. Did he fail to provide aide? Likely, but they were both probably so impaired neither was thinking right. She was so beautiful and immensely talented. He was a pretty boy who was relegated to being "Mr. Natalie", and I'm sure it was hard on his ego. Regardless, I'm sure he has been haunted by Natalie's death all these years, and the world has been a little less bright without her beautiful soul amongst us.
I always find it interesting when people say somebody had no motive to do something. Just because we don't know the motive doesn't mean there isn't one.
Dr. Grande, please do a video on Ian Curtis; I've seen so many amateur videos trying to analyse him and often misinterpreting and spreading misinformation about mental health disorders. He was such a fascinating character, and truly suffered through some of the worst of it - it would be great if you could take the time to do a proper video on him. Thank you so much, Kind Regards.
Fantastic analysis of an actress from the Golden Age of Hollywood! I have read Natalie's biography, Wagner's biography and Davern's book about the drowning. It's clear that Robert Wagner argued with Walken and Woods that weekend. They were all smoking marijuana and abusing alcohol. The night before Natalie's drowning the group was disruptive in a restaurant and Natalie spent the night in a hotel room with Davern. She was known for juggling men and did it one time too many. When she was found her body had old and new bruises. Another case of domestic violence leading to death.
Can you do joran van der sloot? Killer of nathalee Holloway. I can perhaps help you with translating the dutch articles about him!
That’s a great idea!
Oh yes, that's a good one.
Yes. This one !!!
Yes ,yes, yes
Hi Dr. Grande. I just read the book “Little Sister” by Lana Wood. It was recently published. I found it very interesting and very sad. Natalie certainly had a rollercoaster of a life.
Great content Dr. Grande. Natalie Wood always oushined RJ. I believe he was envious of her in their profession. I really thought RJ threw her overboard, especially because he admitted to breaking the wine bottle. ( how many of us have broken a bottle of wine,??)They had a tumultuous relationship. The press and the prosecutors really dropped the ball.
I agree. I also read Wagner instructed Davern to wait several hours before calling for help when she went missing and Wagner not letting Davern turn on the search lights right away. And yes, he at first lied to the first cops and detectives about why the wine bottle was broken and said it was from the movement of the "waves" or what have you... but many years later in an autobiography said he smashed it on a table because he was angry with Walken.
I don't defend (neither do I accuse) but the argument with breaking the wine bottle is the weakest one ever, honestly. It doesn't prove anything... They were all probably drunk and agitated so they could do stupid irrational things... Also, we have no way of knowing whether he was ''envious'', it's honestly just speculation on your part... Again, not defending him - just saying that we should operate FACTS instead of making things up and using flawed arguments. The fact that he prevented Davern calling the police is much more suspicions that the foolish things you wrote...
@@flazo9399 Yes this is much more suspicious than watever the real wrote cause these are speculations based on facts and not personal ''feeling''...
I loved Walken and Wood together in “Brainstorm.” The movie had a dedication for her at the end, since it was her last film. The irony of the film is the exploration of living through the minds, eyes, and lives of others and the subject of life after death.
Doc, your channel is awesome! And literally the only channel I can play, and let it keep playing and playing and playing all day, and it’s never boring, never inappropriate, it’s just very consistent, interesting, intelligent information-plus it’s always fun to spot the doc’s humor! And I really very much appreciate The work that you do, and the programming that you provide to us, so thanks Doc!
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I would love to see a video on the 1981 film, Body Heat. A great neo-noir.
You could analyze the characters' motivations, or their personalities... now I'm going to listen to this Natalie Wood video.
I would love to see a video about Carrie Fisher if you haven't looked at her yet!
(Edit: Oh, I see she does have a video; I am not sure how I missed it, but I am excited to watch now! )
Hi again Dr. G...
I am an avid viewer of yours and big admirer. I much enjoy your videos on many subjects and cases.
I do have a small critique. In your opening caveat prior to launching into the case details of most of your videos, you say … “Just a reminder, I am not diagnosing anybody in this video, only speculating on what could be happening in a situation like this”.
Well, hmmm, sorry, but you aren’t just speculating (forming a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence) on a situation LIKE this. You are absolutely 100% speculating on THIS very case and individual, in this video, it’s the individual Ms. Natalie Wood. As you are an extremely intelligent man, I think a better/more accurate opening caveat might be: “Just a reminder, I am not diagnosing anyone in this video, only speculating on what could be happening in this situation”.
The information in that video was 100% new to me. Thank you, Dr Grande.
Great choice Dr. Grande!
Could you please do an analysis on the character Annalise Keating from How To Get Away With Murder?
This would be fantastic.
My Dad took me to see West Side Story. I must have been really young at the time, but he said I sat on the edge of my seat totally absorbed with the movie. It seems like we also went to see a movie where she played Gypsy Rose Lee, but I don't remember the name of the movie. Neither seems now appropriate movies for a young child, but our hometown theater did have limited play bills. He took me to the movies to give my stay-at-home mother a break as my younger sister was sick at the time. I thought Ms Wood was beautiful and my mother resembled her. I was sad when she(Ms Wood)passed away.
That’s so cute!! What a sweet dad you had. Many men don’t realize that moms need time. And for sure, if you’re taking care of a sick child just makes it that much harder.
It's not every actress over 40 who can still land roles even to this day from what I understand. Being 41 myself, I understand how depressing it can be to watch your former vitality and attractiveness to others fade. However, the very worst part is that your body starts to hurt and all kinds of things start to go really wrong with it. I don't know if everyone else this age experiences this but it seems like this happens to most people at some point if they don't die beforehand. This doesn't say anything about how she died in particular, but I can attest to how painful and depressing it can be, especially when people around you expect you to have the same level of energy and capability that you had before. I had a traumatic injury when I was 30 that suddenly made it difficult for me to do the manual labor that I had been doing before then since I was a teenager and even my own family, who had come to the hospital to get me after the crash and who knew all of the things that were messed up, still had a hard time accepting because they expected me to still be able to fix stuff around the house like I used to do when my shoulder injury prevented me from even being able to screw in one screw because of the pain associated with the rotational motion. They didn't understand and I was stuck, not only with their expectations of me to be like I was before the accident since my skin had healed up, but because I was haunted constantly for seven years with the sensation of the cells that were next to other cells before almost screaming in horror because they were no longer next to those same cells. As odd as it sounds, that was the part that was the hardest to deal with.
"Wagner had opened a bottle of wine, so we see that this argument spills over..." Damn! You're quick with the puns. Please don't ever stop posting your videos on CZcams. I love you!