The secret to a reliable 1000hp 9 second 1/4 Mile F90 M5 - Mr VANOS Forged Arrow Rods
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2022
- The Twin Turbo V8 engine found in the F10 M5 and F90 M5 along with it's variants is an incredible design, capable of making monster power with very few modifications. However there is one weak point as the power starts to climb - the connecting rods.
As standard especially on the F90 M5 the stock turbo's can produce so much torque that is bends a rod, potentially destroying the engine. Mr VANOS worked with Arrow to produce a drop in uprated forged connecting rod that is rated to take 1400NM of torque. This allows the engine to safely produce up to and over 1000hp, and run deep in to the 9s 1/4 miles.
We visit Mr VANOS and talk to Steve about the process and details of the new rods, and see an engine be rebuilt using them.
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This is such an interesting video. As a m5 F10 owner big thanks to Imraan and Mr Vanos for letting us know a well maintained S63 is reliable. Imraans knowledge on BMW and general engineering is truly epic. Greetings and God bless from South 🙏🏿
The editing on this video is on another level. Thank you for making my eyes bleed with joy.
Far too kind! Thank you for watching ☺️
Great video guys and great to see you convinced mr v to get on camera
One of the best videos you have done. Pretty tech and interesting to see stock piston still being used. Looking forward to many more videos like this ....
Interesting video guys looking forward to the new builds and m4 build 👍
Learned a lot watching this video.
A very interesting video, good to see Imran and Mr Vanos display their expertise 👌🏽
This was a super helpful and informative video. Thank you so much! Just got a F90 and I’ll know where to go if anything happens haha
Great Video Lads. learnt a lot from just this video, I have the older s63 V8 from the e71 x6m Amazing motor from factory so smooth & POWER! everywhere.
Mr VANOS the man, great video.
Great video. Looking forward to the S55 build.
Absolutely love these videos!
Thanks man 🙏
Cant wait to see the upgraded turbo vid...i am ordering a set of these rods
Top stuff boys 🤛
I’m not a fan of some of the music you guy’s use in your videos but I’m a 60yo petrol head (with better taste in music preferring real musicians playing real instruments) “you should try it sometime” 🤣 but I’m in awe and living in appreciation of the camera composition, camera placement & editing skills that you showcase so well 👏👏👏……………You behind the scenes guys are seriously talented…….Kudos to you amazing filmmakers & story tellers 😊😎🍻
Love these!
What a top class informative video 👏 👏 👏 👏
F90 is a beast for sure.
great educational content
At it again 👊🏻✌🏾
Fascinating!
Great video mate keep up the good work 👍
First person to comment with the MV1400 rods in their F90 😝
Absolutely animal too 😉
Thumbnail got me thinking this was a Dollar Shave Club ad
😂 facts
A closer shave for less!
@@EvolveAutomotive Hi Imraan. Just curious to know how high mileage can a well maintained non raced S63 f10 engine do. Any idea 🙏🏿
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, So many rich details! Awesome video...
Uk are all brothers in arms all one team to achieve the best over all results for everyone 🙌
this is amazing, lots of great information. i would love more videos like this specific to the f10 m5. for example whats a safe hp limit on the stock f10 block with mr vanos rods and f90 pistons? f90 pumps on f10? etc. love the content good job
Great explanation. Atb.
Brilliant!
Its nice to see that german cars are getting more and more after market support by the time
Brilliant.
The best video I ever seen at least for me …thanks Emran
Great to hear the N/S63 engine can last longer than 60k miles with regular servicing. There’s a BMW CZcamsr in the US that will have you think the engine is dead after 60k miles.
Great video, very informative 👍👍👍
2018 or below yes that’s true. F10 s63 are horrifically unreliable. Look at the x5M forums. They’re dogshit
I have 65K miles in mine, still stock, still performing as new. I did these miles in the last 3 years. I'm thinking about tuning it a bit now :)
Great news as I just picked up an F90 M5.
Congrats on the new car!
@@EvolveAutomotive thanks
Great video on identifying the weak point of these engines, I’ve always wondered why I don’t see more people running mid 9’s on the f90 platform. I wonder why the g80 guys are so easily able to get mid to low 9’s on a stock motor stock trans?
A lot of work in development a product like this for sure. Good job!
One criticize on the engine builders. After installation on any of the connection rods, don't rotate the crankshaft, before torquing to specification the conrod bolts.
I’ll be sure to pass it on, but before I do, how many F1 engines have you built for competition use? I just want to be able to back up your advice to an ex-Mercedes F1 engine builder.
@@EvolveAutomotive 🤣😂🤡
Great video
I have a question
Which specific grees he used for cornrows bearing crankshaft bearing?
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Steve, can you develop a product to increase to torque on the S65 engine and also for persons who would like to turbocharge their S65 engines.
Thank you both for this great video
Hey @wayne you should see their supercharged m3 with the S65 , that something you might want to look at if you are trying to develop more torque and power. czcams.com/video/97NxcBL4OTQ/video.html
I like he slips in rodbearings are a weak point too 🤣 classic BMW. I hope he's got a kit for b58s
Hi very good video and if it possible you show how to torgue connection rods and main bearings because I'm working on s63 engine to on 74000k miles problem with rod bearing
I am wondering what the S63 can do in the E70 X5M as it has an 6speed ZF auto standard
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what oil should we use
f90 m5
for stock car
gor tuned car
thanks
Mr vanos is the man and Imran is the man also 😂
Will go down as two BMW legends.
Sick camera slide @ 16:55
Little Michael Bay Hero shot
I see the old Monte Carlo blue e92 m3, is it going to make a return to the channel?
has Ricky LLFs f90 been rebuilt by Mr vanos too? the add on ebay says it has
Will there be a kit for the N63TU3?
I wonder if you can put them in an in n63 2011 x5
Hello! First let me thank you for such a comprehensive top drawer site.. your work looks fabulous.
I'm a new M5 enthusiast and hope to have a fairly current model in the foreseeable future
Taking a stock M5, what would be considered stage 1 and what would that change as far as horsepower and torque... And at what cost
Same question for stage 2
Look forward to your reply
Best regards Larry
Hi Larry, best bet for your enquiry is to email sales@evolveautomotive.com, we can lay out all your options for you :)
Interesting
Which engine oil viscosity is used ?
Mr. Vanos. Are the 18-23 m5’s reliable to turn high mileage? Want to buy one
On evolve, it says the rods are rated at 1200hp and 1400nm. Is this at the crank? Up to what percentage of of 1200hp limit is considered safe for a car to be tuned to from a engine tuner's perspective?
The rod is rated to 1400nm at the crank. This is what Arrow will guarantee the rod can take. Multiple cars have been tuned to over 1000hp with this setup.
So what ever happened to the previous F90 built motor from RKAutowerks ?
Nice video ! What is the cost of this tunning for a stock m8 please ? (Rods, downpipe, evolve tuning)
Thanks! Please email sales@evolveautomotive.com
Brother, silly question, those set ups on your M5, can it be done on a n63 motor?
Worth asking Mr VANOS directly on that.
How can I get this done to my f90 comp? And how much?
What would the total cost be to make it exactly like lycan with this new setup
Tune engine intakes etc
If interested please email sales@evolveautomotive.com, off the top of my head somewhere around ~£25k
I recently got my first BMW (M8 GC Comp)
I’ve had other cars where I have been able to remove the crank, pistons, rods by just removing the oil pan.
Is it possible with these platforms to remove the piston/rod assembly without removing the engine? Just to upgrade rods. Looking for 8-900whp. Would like for it to be a 140+mph car in the 1/4 as now everything is going fast here in Texas.
Many new F-150 single cabs running 9’s @140+ with just a supercharger on a sealed stock engine
It’s not possible on this engine from what we know
Did the RK engine break then?🤔
Where do I send a CV to? I wanna work with this guy
What about f90 turbos on an f10?
At all how much should I spend to make m5 f90 like this(1000+hp)?
Are there shops or installers in Austin, Tx or surrounding areas. Im interested in this for my 23M5c. Im shoping for modding to get 9.5 1/4 or better. Are piston needed?
Standard F90 pistons have proven to be more than enough for way over 1000hp.
Email sales@evolveautomotive.com we might be able to help
So it used to be the case the clutch would blow first and now it's the rods. So if you've boosted the turbo and replaced the rods.
Does this then not mean that if you fix the rods, will you then be waiting to see the next part that blows after the rods?
Technically you are correct but that isn’t the full story. As you increase power you find what fails, uprate those parts and then the next weakest link will fail as you continue to increase power. All part of development.
With the MV1400 rods the engine assembly is now very strong. With cars making upwards of 1100hp so far. Remember these engine components are manufactured to meet OE level reliability at ~630hp, so nearly doubling that power output will invariably find some parts that are well past their design limit.
But for anyone who is chasing more and more power this is something that is part of the game. What we have presented here is a reliable way to max out the stock turbo and make a 9.7s 1/4 mile pass over and over again. With a larger turbo 1000hp is a very achievable goal.
Ultimately it is all about what your end goal is, feel free to contact us on sales@evolveautomotive.com for more information.
@@EvolveAutomotive Makes sense. Development 😎
Question: will you ever open an Evolve US?
Yes we plan to
Excellent video! I'm getting F90 LCI next week and looking for exactly this build. One thing I noticed in the video - you mentioned that the weak point is both rods and rod bearings? I was under the impression that we would only do rods, but fit standard rod bearings? Or do these rods come with aftermarket bearings because the stock ones are not good? Thank you!
The bearings are bad similarly to the S65, it’s not that they can’t hold power it’s just that they can wear prematurely due to high power or continued abuse, so stock bearings work with high power just need to be changed sooner
@@chancemccloskey5665 I see - and is there any particular upgrade that one could do instead that would work well? Thanks!
Arrow designs these rods to be used with an ACL bearing.
What is the max hp that a stock block can run reliably (within reason for a XXXX hp build)?
In our builds the standard engine block seems okay well above 1200hp
As an M5 F90 Owner this news are marvelous, I would like to know if one can achieve the 1000BHP without Methinjection?!
It should be possible but your IATs wouldn’t be as consistent.
@@EvolveAutomotive thank you for the Quick reply, can I ask you guys more specific stuff, cause I'm seriously looking for a radical but first of all a reliable bunkers tuning full package, where I don't have to sell my soul and kidneys for...I'm an Engineer specialized in Cartech. Means for a reasonable but good Price.
Drop us an email on sales@evolveautomotive.com
So is this different to the one you built like a year ago with 1000bhp or the same car?
Different method. Less expensive and in the UK.
@@EvolveAutomotive total cost to make exactly like yours
I have a 2020 F90. What’s the cost of replacing the connecting rods? You use the same pistons right? If I am trying to get 800 hp (not 1k) do I need to do this? Is stock safe for up to what HP?
800hp is at the very limit of stock rods, we probably wouldn’t push a customer car that far on standard engine. Email sales@evolveautomotive.com and we can quote you on price.
What is the cost of doing this?
So it s said saving as well mr Vanos said from paying 20 grands ..how much would this run then ? As it s supposed to be cost wise...
For up to date pricing please email sales@evolveautomotive.com
Do you guys offer this service in the US?
Might be able to do a core exchange service, please email sales@evolveautomotive.com
WOW THATS AWESOME HOW DO I GET THAT
THANKS! EMAIL SALES@EVOLVEAUTOMOTIVE.COM
How much would this cost? And do you have any installers in America?
Please email sales@evolveautomotive.com, thank you
Can you recommend a BMW shop in South East Florida to do this rod change?
Miami Engines
@@OlegFL2010 ...Hello. I tried contacting them several times, they never reply. Maybe out of business.
Unbelievable
How much for my m5 competition 2023?
Email sales@evolveautomotive.com for accurate pricing, thanks!
how much boost can stock turbo take ?
Enough to do a 9.7s 1/4 mile
With downpipes and 93oct, whats a safe power goal for the F90 LCI?
High 700hp crank, with keeping the torque smooth especially at the low end. Something we have a lot of experience tuning for.
@@EvolveAutomotive what the ballpark timeframe if I send the ECU from the US?
Your ECU needs to be unlocked?
@@EvolveAutomotive yes sir. It’s a ‘23 LCI
I think Steve has a H beam rod across his shoulders
didnt you get your f90 engine build by rkautoworks?
Yes, before Mr.Vanos…
What is the limit on a stock motor of an M5 F90 without getting problems? 780HP 950NM? Or more…
Yeah around 800HP and lower
Link for the rods isn’t working
Ah damn! Thanks for the heads up
Where is Steve's shop located? Does he need the whole car, or can our engine be sent to him for the rods and rebuild?
He is based in Darlington. You can send him just an engine or entire car. We also offer the engine removal/fitting service and handle shipping the engine to him for building.
@@EvolveAutomotive ……Darlington, South Carolina?
Where is your shop located? I live in Ft. Lauderdale so trying to see how I could do this best.
@@EvolveAutomotive ……another question. Can these rods also be installed into a 2020 BMW 550i engine? If yes, what’s the most AWHP with the stock turbos, dyno tune and CAI…?
@@EvolveAutomotive ……LOL……I just realized you and Steve are in the UK. So in that case how much do a set of these rods cost to ship to Florida, 33301, USA? I will need to find a shop near me that can install them. Thanks.
No idea on the 550i engine, they are only designed for the S63 found in the F1x M5/M6 and F9x M5/M8.
As for purchasing a set please email us on sales@evolveautomotive.com
Would you say it's easier and safer to make a 1000hp S58 than a S63? This is my impression
We haven’t done an S58 yet, so can’t say.
You’ll need to do similar modifications to the engine, and the ZF8 in the G8X M3/M4 needs building to withstand 1000hp where the one in the F90 M5 does not, so that’s an additional cost.
Can these rods work with a 2020 m550
Please email sales@evolveautomotive.com to verify fitment and purchase
Hello my name is Jerome Parker my 2014 F10 M5 cut off at a stop sign in Feb, the local BMW specialist says my soft bearing failed thus the engine has failed… I am in a funk about this being I over-service my vehicle. Meaning I would have them change my oil every 2/3 thousand miles…. Just because.!… I called BMW NORTH AMERICAN, have not gotten a call back. I’m making $800 payments on a car I can’t drive, and my BMW S1000rr was recently stolen after 7 months of ownership!!!!! Leaving me completely without a vehicle!!! It makes me feel better when I tell my story, because there absolutely no way I can fix this problem.. I can only remind hopefully a miracle happens instead.. This is my 5th BMW, I Love the brand, was hoping BMW NA, would help as many other face the same issue according to the representative who took my complaint!! However, Prior to this issue there was no warning lights/ engine knocks/ warning messages: etc… It was suggested I spend 50k ($50,000) to replaced engine, starter/ flywheel: this video was EXTREMELY informative. I will have them take a look at it, fingers crossed 🤞🏾… it may help me get my car back on the road🙏🏽.
P.S. Any suggestions on fixing this problem will be Gratefully Rec’d!
Could it be used in the f10
Yes, as said a few times in the video. Mr VANOS rebuilds them with F90 pistons as an upgrade.
Can stock gearbox handle that power?
To around the 1000hp mark yes, but as we push further the gearbox will need to be built.
@@EvolveAutomotive do you need to go hybrid for 1000bhp , got mixed comments regarding this. £15k to get 1000bhp all in?
If you want 1000bhp you'll need to go hybrid turbos yes. However what are you looking to achieve performance wise? Stock turbos and built engine you'll easily be in to the 9s 1/4 miles.
If you drop an email to sales@evolveautomotive.com my colleague can lay out all the costings.
what car do you recommend between bmw m3 g80 or m5 f90 please?
Depends what your end goal and budget is
@@EvolveAutomotive I want performance and to be able to evolve
Straight line performance?
@@EvolveAutomotive Yes
@@EvolveAutomotive which is your personal choice?
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Doesn't the s58 have the same rods as the s63? There's already one guy running 9.90@140mph on the s58 with stock rods czcams.com/video/55MGtObQo58/video.html
Why would the same rods bend sooner on a v8 than an inline 6?
It’s possible to run a 9.9s 1/4 in an F90 on stock rods, but for how long? You’re taking unnecessary risks of failure.
I’m sure Steve could also explain a few more reasons, but we have heard numerous reports of S58 cars also bending rods. One car doing it unfortunately doesn’t mean every car can. Manufacturing tolerances could just mean it’s a lucky car, or it’s one run from failure.
@@EvolveAutomotive i've heard of those bent s58 rods, but i believe it wasn't on stock turbo's. Gotta pay to play i guess.
100.000 Miles that’s it ? My c63 did 230.000 Miles easy before i sold it
motorsport engineering students, gather here
Imagine having to build V8 internals to go 9s😂
Which Audi? 🤔
@@EvolveAutomotive any sedan or wagon with the 4.0
That’s great for the Audi guys I guess 🤷🏻♀️
Imagine having the engine so far forward all you get is loads of understeer 🤣
@@memememine1 true but cars over 4, 200 arent or at least shouldn't be meant to handle too well
So basically BMW cheaping out on parts 🤔
If they failed at stock power levels yes, but I think based on this if anything it's the opposite conclusion.
@@EvolveAutomotive fair comment 👍🏿
Why you need 1000hp? On which kind of road you can use that kind of power? It’s expensive for no good reason, the cars value plummets and you constantly at risk to lose your drivers license.
You don’t need 1000hp, but if you want it we can do it.
GM engines go for 300k miles, and then keep going. Yikes.