BUY THIS : ECHO CS-620P VS CS-590 TIMBERWOLF AND HUSQVARNA 455/460 RANCHER
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Today we’re showing off the differences between the Echo CS-590 Timberwolf, CS-620P and the Husqvarna 455 / 460 Rancher chainsaws. The Husqvarna 455 / 460 and the Echo CS-590 are well known farm and ranch style firewood chainsaws and have proven to be powerful and reliable machines to help heat your home and maintain your property. We think they are great saws, but there are some reasons why we consistently recommend the Echo CS-620P chainsaw to our customers.
The Echo CS-620P is a very powerful chainsaw, comes with a 5 year consumer warranty and is a full on commercial grade chainsaw. In the price category the Echo is a slam dunk and our recommendation.
Some specs on the Echo CS-620P :
DISPLACEMENT : 59.8CC
WEIGHT : 13.7 DRY, Powerhead Only
BAR LENGTH : 16-18-20-24-27
Some features:
Decompression valve
Dual Spikes
Pressurized Air Box
Automatic Oiler
Rim Sprocket
Magnesium Crankcase
Magnesium Clutch Cover
Captive Bar Nuts
Solid Bar
We are Traverse Creek Inc, Located in Beaver Falls, PA. We are an authorized Echo and Husqvarna sales and service facility. - Zábava
This is the first video I’ve watched that not only compares the 2 upper Echo models, but also Husqvarna, and it’s not 45 minutes long!
I have the 590, not that it’s a bad saw by any means. The 590 never let me down and I ❤ it. But for what it’s worth I wish I would have saw his tips review first. 😮 still,love my CS-590 though..
Great explanation regarding the differences in construction. Made my decision lot easier! Thanks
Woah! I have Ran, Serviced, and been around the Husqvarna 455/460 ranchers & Echo 590/620’s for a long time. And you Sir have the best video on them and complete accuracy!!
Hardly see a major issue with either, but the CS-620 speaks to me!
The CS 620 has become my main saw because of the ergonomics, great power, and rugged durability of a Pro level Saw. The 7310 is too heavy for the terrain I operate on, so it has become a landing saw...lol. The 620 is a Pro Saw, not a Rancher Class.
Good points, both the 620 and the 590 are professional saws compared to the consumer clamshell design of the husky. The Echo 620 is on par with the Husky 555. I prefer the Echos non-strato design as there is better cooling and lubrication of the piston vs the Husky and Stihls strato port system. I also prefer the more durable steel caged bearings of the Echos vs the nylon caged bearings on Husky and Stihl. The nylon caged bearings do not handle heat, not chains being run too tight.
I love my 620 wish they had the pw when I got mine...... still need to get the full wrap bar but hands down my favorite saw in my arsenal
after several yt searches found this comparison vid, needed to buy another saw and had it narrowed down to Husqvarna 460, echo 590 & echo 4910, had seen them in cut vids but no one was sharing the diff between them, u did a very good comparison, made my choice and purchased the 590, thanks a bunch...
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As soon as I held an echo I wanted it I could feel the quality the layout old school with a metal toggle is to the choke remind me of my Pioneer P20 I love that song going to save up for the 6:20 Echo
Great video bud! I got the chance to run a 620 a couple months ago and im very impressed with them myself! I would absolutely recommend them to anybody looking for a good reliable well built mid size saw they do have alot of grunt! We use stihl ms-362c's at work and they are right around the 60cc mark. They aren't a bad saw, but i would pick that 620 up first if i had my choice. I have no doubt they can take just as much abuse as our saws do day in and out and cost half the price!
Super informative u did a great job thanks
Ive got a 24" bar on a 620. This thing rips great for felling ans bucking. I have a 355t for delimbing and cutting smaller stuff. Its nice having a both a big and small saw.
Just got the Echo CS-590 Timberwolf.
What a great saw !
Got 10 years out of my Poulan 4620 & wanted a quality upgrade.
Almost got the current big Poulan PR5020 but it was $240.....I knew the Echo was better in most ways & only $160 more so I threw down. Should last me 20 years with good care, eh ?
Thanks for the nice overview !
how's the cs590 had mine 4 years after two seasons of cutting oak with it the clutch went but other than that you should have 4 or 5 years before it starts to break down.
I love my echo, and all my friends run Huskivarna and Stihl. My echo runs circles around their saws and they paid twice as much for theirs.
Great review. I’d only add that Echo’s 5-year warranty only applies to consumer use; the pro warranty is 2 years. As a rental unit, it’s 90 days.
Thanks very informative
I like how the handle of the echo wrap around the saw
I totally agree. 620 over all. Then the 590. I have the 590 my self. Love it
I wish you'd have put this video out a year ago! I now own 2 590s and am happy with them but I'd have gone with the 620 had I seen this video. .Makes sense
Great video, my first chainsaw was a clamshell then upgraded to a split-crankcase one. Now I only buy and recommend magnesium crankcase saws. I own 4 Stihls, 2 Echos and 2 Husqys.
Love em!
Thank you for this video. I was leaning towards the 590 but you broke it down quickly why the 620 is worth the extra money.
Good comparison information
Great video!
Awesome info, can't beat experience.
Another great video Christopher. I’ll be able to show Gram this one!!!!!!!
Do it
Quality information sir , ty
quality information , thank you sir
Thank you for the detailed review which helped with my decision. Echo 620p.
Was looking at the 590 & 620, thanks for the great info! ECHO should hire you to modify the website, they do a crap job of explaining details & differences in the saws, Maybe they only care about pushing the consumer saws and leave the upsell to the dealers.
I bought the Echo CS620P a couple of months ago. It's a great saw! It starts easily, cold or hot. I have Husqvarna 450e that does not like to start hot. Originally, I was going to stay in the Husqvarna ecosystem and was looking at their 555 and 562xp 60cc saws. I did not consider the 460 Rancher, it's not much more powerful than the 450. The 555 was about $780 and a 562 about $880 with 24" bars. The 555 makes 4.16hp & the 562 is 4.7hp. The Echo CS620P 24" is 4.4hp and cost me $640 including tax and an extra chain. It's a phenomenal professional power saw!
My only concern with the new Echo s is the absolute lack of air filter to base seal. My old gray plastic echo and newer ones under 50 cc have a nice round element that seals great .
oring. simple fix.
With the Echo 621, we put two rubber rings in the air filter. 18x2.5 mm and 6x2.5 mm. and so much less contamination through suction.
Yeah the fines are a little problem on my cs600 too. Thanks to Travis I have finally worked out this obscure model is a genuine halfway house between the 590 and 620!
I was looking at the 620 pw or the 7310 but I went with a stihl 500i instead I could have got to 7310s and a 620p but I like the Stihl always have. And they never let me down I log and that’s the saws I see everywhere out here no husky’s
Just bought the CS-590. Had two Husqvarnas. 351 and 550xp. Echo Started after about eight plus and brand new and cut like butter!
Chisel cut 20 inches bar. Now. All ready for bucking again - 25 pulls or more did not start! Reminded me of my Husqvarna! Although it was 20 years old. Finally started and Now appears the chain brake is locked. Can't turn chain. DAMN.
get the 550xp mk2 very easy starter. Hot or cold.
Right on, for the money the 620p is worth every penny.
Awesome video Chris!
Thanks Dan!
You mentioned something about the 620 oiling better on side. I am using a 600P as a alaska style mill and am replacing my oiler today. Can I expect more issues with the oiler, any ideas on how to mitigate?
great video Chris
Thanks!
If you can find a reconditioned 455 for around 300 buy it if they are available. If not then go with the 590 but buy it from ebay so you spend no more than 350 -400. Performance wise the 590 is very similar to the 455 but I'd pick the 455 everytime . The 620 cost hundreds more I've never seen one less than $550 and with that kind of price increase your better off gettin a bigger husky saw. With that said if you can find a used echo cs 680 for around 300 bucks just buy that cause it can handle a 28 inch bar or shorter with no problem cause i keep a 24 inch on mine and it screams threw wood . Now if money isn't a issue you probably wanna skip all these saws and get something bigger
Thanks for your input!
I have a cs 620pw 27inch actually a 28 93 drives i use it everyday for my tree service will take a echo 800 lunch with the same bar
Do you sell Shindaiwas, the 600sx is my bucket list saw, same as the echo 620 kinda like husky/jonsered same saw different colors, I like the 7310sx as well, it would be awesome to get the shindy version of that saw but it looks like they are only available in the Australian/euro markets bummer I dig the color red/black just like my jonsereds, also do you have any experience with the redmax saws aren't those basically just re badged jonsereds same husky powerheads in most models?
Thanks for the informative video, i am considering the 7310 , do you have any review or information
Might as well go either husky or stihl if you’re gonna buy the 7310. It’s just as much as their pro 70cc saws.
The bar on my cs 400 is always clogging up fast and I have to stop what I'm doing and clean it out. Does the cs 590 have the same problem?
I’m sure the 620 is a slightly better saw. But the 590 is an absolute beast. It does great in big wood and pulls a 24 inch bar with ease. Many many tree companies in my area use them all day. They cut great. A little heavy. But if ur not a pro a 590 is all u need. If u r a pro a 590 is all u need. But u may want a 620 for convenience and a few more features.
Great Video. I'm curious what you would recommend as a companion saw for a smaller workload, such as mostly limbing and brush clearing when doing firewood (mostly fir up to 36" diam) while having the ECHO CS-620P as the main saw/workhorse?
Do you want to stick with Echo?
Really, the CS-3510 is a really nice lightweight little saw.
If you want something a little lighter, with a pro style build you could get the CS-2511P, or a CS-361P. They aren't often talked about, because their purpose/size class/configuration isn't super popular in the US, but they are great saws.
@@TraverseCreekInc First, thank you for the follow-up. I often wondered if a smaller top-handle arborist saw would work(for those small tight cluttered spots). I was just today, looking up the CS-4510. I will also check out the 2511P, but trying to keep the costs down. I think in the end, I want a saw for limbing, then two main saws (main saw and a backup saw). As for Echo, I'm leaning towards them for all my new saws. I should also mention that I average cutting up 60 cords (mostly fir) per year.
Thanks for this. I bought a Husky 455 last year, used it a fair bit and sold it in the fall. Just to cheaply built and underpowered for my liking.
I have been considering the Echo 590, so this video is extremely timely. You have convinced me the 620 is the way to go. One big plus for the Echo saws is the ability to manually adjust the carburetor as opposed to the Husqvarna auto tune. Are Echo chainsaws still made in Japan or like everything else are they made in China now?
Husqvarna 455 still has regular adjustable carb. Most of the 5xx series has autotune. Honestly, the autotune systems work great. Lazy mechanics and misinformed guys typically blame autotune for every problem a saw would have. 99% of the time they aren't related.
I really like and prefer the autotune, and that's coming from a guy who knows how/has the tools to adjust.
Echo manufacturing and assembly is typically in Japan or USA. I believe the 620s are all Japan.
I just bought a cs 680 28 inch bar for under nine hundred dollars this saw model has been around for 30 plus years. I hope my better half likes it for his birthday?
Surely he did?? There are some snobby attitudes among some Stihl/Husqvarna users about Echo but they all seem to be people that have never used them
I love my ported 620pw. It’s simple and reliable.
Who did your porting and approx how much did it run you?
A mod on a 620 will make it cut better than the 7310
Good work ...Echo 4310SX or Stihl 241 C ...thanks any way ...
I think I'm switching to echo from husqvarna. The last 2 husqvarna machines I bought had carb issues straight away. I only ran the good pre mixed can fuel so I was pretty disappointed.
That pre mixed can stuff is junk. Don’t use it. Mix your own with non ethanol fuel with red armor oil.
I ve had the 590 in professional logging, now I have the 620. So little the difference sounds hier, so big they are in real. I would ever get the 620 over the 590. You get a lot more end-tourq and chainspeed.
Love my Echos. Even the cheap ones are great. I have Stihls too. Not a fan of huskys. My Echos always start, take a beating, and just keep getting it. quality is amazing on them. 7310 is an amazing machine. The way I look at it Stihl is like BMW, husky is like Volvo, and Echo is like Toyota.
Loved my bmw much more than my toyota's.
Ditto... although don't assume you can't kill them. I cooked my cs 600 piston and cylinder by repeatedly burying it some massive wood like a twit and not letting it work at the rate it wanted to
Great video. Echo seems to be giving husky and Stihl a run for there money when it comes to power and cost. Curious about the longevity though compared to stihl or husky.
No question the long term reliability is there on their stuff.
I agree my 355 t run right with my buddys 201 tc almost everyday
Great video CS-620 100%
what is the weight of the 620 echo ?
when did the 620 get captive bar nuts? Got mine last year and it doesn't have them. wish it did.
Hey!
I'm not sure of the exact date, to be honest
Do you sell Shindaiwas as well? I agree the 620 in my mind has that old school no bs quality I appreciate in rural Alaska, I own Jonsered 2172s and love it reliable powerful, I see those same attributes in the 620, I would love to get a 600 or 601sx, same saw just red and black to add to my stable, the only thing is the Shindys don't make a full wrap version very good video!
Thanks for your comment. We can order shindaiwa no problem, we just choose to stock the Echo. Thanks!!
Awesome!
The wrap handle may fit the shindiawas
I need the rotor number of cs590
4 saws in Australia will cost $5000. Each saw varies between $1135-$1500 Aust dollars - even in USD will be around $1000 + each
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Awesome video!! I just got a 620p a month ago. I wanted the 620pw, but couldn't find one in stock around me. Do you know if the 620pw handle fits on the 620p, and where I could get one if it does? Thanks!!
Hey!
Yep, we stock them in our store and ship 5 days a week and yes, that handle will fit your saw.
Thank you!! I will definitely order one from you tomorrow. Every dealer around me has the 620pw on backorder, so I just got the 620p. This is my first nice big saw to me. I've always had cheaper small saws, and wanted a better bigger one this time.
@@Jaminjohnw You'll love it, You really made a good choice
Ya, but, throw the 550xp mkII into the mix and see if the conversation changes.🙂
the money changes
@@lowellmiller6663 My price for a 550xpmkII is $470.00.
@@StumpShot I have heard the MK2 are better than the older ones. I had an older one and it always had an off idle stumble. I took it to several shops including my local Husqvarna dealer and none of them could correct the issue. My local dealer finally said I need to live with it or sell it so I sold it. The frustration and waste of time and money left a very bad taste. Other than an old 575 it was the only 5-series I have tried. I went back to my 3 Series with my tail between my legs.
@@lowellmiller6663 mkII is a better saw that addressed the issues of the original.
I checked the prices where I live near Atlanta Ga. the prices on these two saws in my area are $519 for the Husky 455 and the echo 620P with full wrap handle is $699 that's a huge gap in price for someone on a budget these were the cheapest prices I could find in my area I like Husqvarna saws but I do favor the echo 620P over the 455 I will just have to save some more funds to get it
Those prices is really aren't in line with the MSRP on the 620, also, I was comparing the price of the 460.
@@TraverseCreekInc I will look online for a lower price on the 620 but then I will have to pay shipping and that may run the price back up hopefully can find free shipping but I will see what I can come up with
Home Depo has it 609 with free shipping with 24 inch bar.
Question for you as a dealer. First off thanks for your video, it helped me make a decision. Now the question. I had a local dealer order me a 620P and after taking it home 5/23/23, I noticed it didn't have the correct sprocket guard with captive nuts. Not that big a deal but it made me start digging in and doing some research. What I found was that I was sold a saw in the s/n range of C69215001001--C69215999999. Basically a 3 year old saw with the smaller A021001662 Walbro HDA 268 carb, an older design P021016023 air filter and case. These are the only differences I've found so far. The smaller carb is what bothers me most. Isn't that going to limit my power output compared to the HDA316 current spec carb? I'm hoping my dealer will swap me with a current grade saw. What are your thoughts?
As a dealer, I would suggest you work out your questions with your dealer.
@@TraverseCreekInc The smaller carb is a limiter though on the power available correct?
@@Slugdug01 couldn't say, with authority. I'd only be able to offer speculation
@@TraverseCreekInc Funny, you spoke with such authority as a small engine dealer on this video, that the bigger carb on the 620P was a "reason" to buy. Now you can't even speculate? Bigger carb means more flow, more flow should mean more power potential. Doesn't seem that hard.
@@Slugdug01
I have no hard concrete data, such as Dyno runs, or internal documentation to support any idea that the carb change makes a power difference or not like I did when I made the statement in the video of the differences between the 590 and 620.
I also mentioned there are more differences than just the carb to support this power difference.
Would you prefer that I make a frivolous statement not based on any factual evidence to confirm what you're asking me to confirm?
Seems like you already got it all worked out in your mind. Why do you need some jerk with a camera to confirm it for you?
Is it bad that I know exactly what saw your split crankcase example is just by looking?
Always been a fan of those Echo's, and did time at a dealer up here in Canada. We had a hard time moving 620's though, way too close in price to a Husky 365 up here. They are currently within $100.
Lol, what saw was it?
Late 162 chassis, fine thread crank, looks to be single coil, so Orange top 61, 268 or 272.
@@82f100swb yep, it's a frankensaw!
I may have more saws and short blocks on that chassis than a person should have... 🤣
@@82f100swb 👍🆙82
Loved husqy... Bought one new plaqued with problems.. 55rancher
Now just buy echo.. not the fastest but they always start
Disappointed thought you would be talking more about the 590
I will keep my Poulan S25, and soon Poulan 3800. Mag case saws, and zero safety features.
Unfortunately I can't buy decent modern saws on my income. The saws in your video are great, but more than I can comfortably shell out.
Hey, those 3800s are nice!
@@TraverseCreekInc Kevin Smith has it set aside. I will be sending him the payment Wednesday morning. It's in really nice shape too.
Look into dolmar
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@@TraverseCreekInc shit, I was not aware of that. That sucks. Those German saws are as tough as nails
Where on echos site dose it say it has a 2 ring piston and more aggressive porting?
It really doesn't say that explicitly, but if you look at the IPLs and the cylinders side by side it's pretty clear
@@TraverseCreekInc yea you'd think that would be more of a selling point for them vs a bar, sprocket cover, sprocket type and wrap bar. I ain't buying. Under both saws engine description in fact under every saw they produce all they say is that they are a professional grade 2 stroke engine which to me technically makes all there saws a quote un quote a pro saw that everyone's got a chubby for. Most of it is crap you don't even need to do the same job as efficiently as its pro counterparts. Like no farmer is worried about the fact they will need a new bar in 3 years vs 4 with the other. Personally a true farm saw runs a solid tipped bar because let's face it, its going to see just a little dirt in its lifetime
@@k-techcowboy4260 To each their own, thanks for your comment.
@@k-techcowboy4260 uh uh
The 620P isn't good for alskan milling? Wow, that's a big deal.
The 590 is a better saw than the 460 for less$
This
I own a 590. It reminds me a lot of the Husqvarna 362 xp I used to operate at my time at Asplundh tree service
how long has echo been selling saws?
I think since the 60s
Crap, I just bought a 590 a couple weeks ago, I would have splurged and got the 620 if I watched this first.
Price wise they are the same but that's a homeowner Husqvarna should compare the same class saw not price. Even though popular and reliable, Ranchers are some of Husqvarna's lower end saws
Much love to Echo though
Husqvarna saws really shine when you get into the XP models(the ones that are still made in Sweden). Night and day difference from the farm and homeowner line
The 590 and Rancher are a good comparison but the 620P is a pro saw as far as I know so grab a 562 Husky and see how they do
a woman once told me it's not the size of the saw it's if it's Sharp!!!!!
620 all day long now if you were comparing a husky 61 now you got your hands full!!!!
what do you think the comparison between a Stihl 362 is?
The 61 is a good saw but I think it may still yet be outmatched by one of these. As far as the 362, I think MAYBE the 362 could hold a little higher RPM in the cut with a shorter bar, but with anything bigger than a 24 this thing will outperform it any day.
I keep trying to talk you into one, but I have yet to succeed....
@@TraverseCreekInc when I just got home today and was testing out of 61 against a 362 the 61 was sporting a Duke's chain and then 362 was sporting a organ the 61 had a hell of a lot more grunt couldn't stall the chain in the cut😁 she's a puller and wants more!
362 had more RPMs but a lot less grunt you could stall it in the cut pretty easily 😔
@@andrewotero1972 are you sure that 362 wasn't running a Senix engine????
@@TraverseCreekIncdon't know why people want to reinvent the wheel m-tronic strato ports and choked up exhausts go back to the basics is what I say if you can't tune a saw you shouldn't be running one!
@@andrewotero1972 It ain't about the size of the intake, it's about the chain being SHARP
Isn’t there a 365 series husky.
Yes and they are on different level than either of these saws in the video. That Echo may be a better bet than said Rancher. But Husqvarna makes some super saws that Echo is far behind from....
@@JenkinsMowing86If you don't mind explaining, how so?
@Darin Ritter the difference between a Husky 365 and a Rancher? 365 is a pro saw and Rancher is a farm/home saw. They're night and day...
@@JenkinsMowing86 what or where are the ECHO's behind on compared 2 the Husq?
@Darin Ritter the only fair comparison here is the Echo 590 to the Husky Rancher 55 but really the 60 would be closer comparison. Cs-620 should be compared with the Husky 562 and 562 will win everytime...
Japanese manufacturing is meticulous. The cs 620p is a powerhouse. Easy starts. I like the carburetor has high speed and low speed jets, simple. This guy is telling it straight.
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just buy a ms 261 cm
The stupid change that was made on 455 totally sucks more so now with the oilers
Tzz, tzz, tzz ... it's like calling pigs to eat. It can be interesting but hard to follow.
The 620pw is $320 more than the 590 bruh
The CS-590 is $399.99-419.99 MSRP, the CS-620 starts at $569.99.
@@TraverseCreekInc key word there is starts. No one stocks one that starts there. Just saying I can turn a 590 into a 620 cheaper and still use genuine echo parts. I've bein in sales too and its all about the upsale to boost margins but what made me go from good to great was honesty.
@@k-techcowboy4260 Shop around. They are 599-609 here.
The new echo 590 is $649
Video is 2 years old and no it isn't, at least in the states
,399
Opinion as he sits in front of nothing but echo’s lol
Buddy the 620 is almost $300 more than the 590. Want to sell me a 620 for 150 more!? Lol. I wish
Video is a couple years old.
The spread now is around $220+-
@@TraverseCreekIncdang would you still recommend. Coming in more expensive than husky 460 and stihl 391 now. The 562xp is right there in price next to 620
@@Koailo88 where are you living?
562 is in the $800s here.
Just get a 550xp and thank me later.
Yea i will take the metal crank case keep that plastic crap.
Ha ha if these are all you have to pick from, choose a well made ax. The ax will last a couple of lifetimes
What a load of 💩, I've 2 echo cs3700es and both of them are plastic crankcases.. They're both pro saws.. Must compare like for like
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the husky will out cut the echo
Lol if it cranks maybe. Chunked my husky a few years ago because of that. Never looked back.
lol keep pushing your primer bulb ! 😂