Customer brought us a 1.8TFSI engine for rebuild and it went straight in scrap.
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2023
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This time we have a customer bringing us an engine which was removed from Audi A4 B8 with potential issues . Owner stated that only the oil pump seized up and it just needed to be refreshed. I was very sceptical about it but after I warn him several times that engine without oil pressure will be scrap he Bring it to us anyways and this is what we found ...
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Thanks to the increase in the quality of oils, German engines showed only slight signs of wear after 850,000 km. In 1998, there was a big meeting of car manufacturers where they agreed that they would produce scrap , due to the economic circulation of money and parts. That is all guys. ✅✅✅Save planet. ✅✅✅
I bought a 2012 Q5 and the cylinder head looked similar, although only 1 journal was damaged. I welded it to bring the material backup, then line bored the journal back to size with the originals. Still going after 20k km.
How could it have had that problem to begin with? That car is only 11 years old!!!
My thought exactly. Worked for a top fuel team where they also did this after journals were damaged, They ran fine again for a few runs (I mean it's 10+k hp, so don't expect reliability) but welding and line boring is fine for daily driven/tuned engines.
@@tempest411Oil consumption problems and the old owner ran it low on oil
@@tempest411 the bracket that "guides" both cams have a mesh in it on backside with a metallball behind it.Due to their crapdesign the oilpressure itself will shoot the metallball outside which will destroy the mesh and the mesh wilö get stuck inside the oilhole inside head and block/reduce the oilflow to the camjournals. Hete is a partnumber for you that you know which part is the issue,90% of times the mesh is already gone when i removed that bracket
06H103144K
Ur scrap metal guy must love u. 😂
And the scrap plastic guys.
They don't make them like they used to. That's for sure.
Sadly, nobody does these days. But the biggest thread to all engines out there is people that think they have a clue about dealing with them but they haven't at all.
And lack of services
Really enjoyable, thanks for posting.
EA888 engines one and second generation are the worst ones, this one has done its job and its finished.
They’re one of the worst engines ever made
Great video … and thank you Audi…keeping auto mechanics employed for years to come…🫣
24 minutes from engine at enginestamd to first piston out was my record on that 1,8 tfsi back in 2013,fun times
@VAG Technic What type of flooring is that and are you sastisfied with its durability?
Cheers 🍻
Yet again great content 👌 👏🏽
Another top job best channel on u tube, keep up the great work
VAG build quality was much better in the eighties and nineties, in the early 2000's it went downwards.
I stopped buying VAG along time ago after owning a Golf III diesel.
1.9 TDi engine y 2001 , 1.5M km
@@Bet-vx3fg the oldskool VP TDI's were indestructable.
I stopped buying VAG after -98. Glad I did. Pure crap most of the lot since. My last was a "semi" rare Golf III -98 stationwagen. The last year for Golf III, stationwagen only from Wolfsburg with the then "new" 1.6 litre. Was a great car.
@@Brakballe Oldskool VW quality.
Plenty of forbidden glitter in that engine. Ouch.
and no oil!!! Starving the engine of that isn't a good look. Owner loves the car, so will get it sorted; it's in great hands. I've had work done there, and can't complain at all. Best mechanic I've been to. I had PCV valve done ( oil mixing with coolant ) and had wheel bearings changed, brakes, fuel filter...amazing work. Just need to get timing chains done for my B8 S4. Can't recommend these guys any more highly. They're the real deal and my local garages wouldn't even touch my car when I needed the PCV valve changed. So much for helping out the local mechanic when some of them don't have a clue what they're doing themselves and only wanna do services and change brakes all day...
Great stuff, love your videos dude!
I bought a 2012 VW GTI 2.0 with Unitronic Stage1+ Engine, Stage 1 DGS+ 3" Stainless steel Magnaflow exhaust, all APR carbon fiber intake and pretty much everything else under the hood, non running though, not sure if there was shavings in the pan never got to the point of taking that off but head looked a lot worse than that and cylinder walls were scored, excessive play of turbo-prop shaft, the whole nine yards, so to speak.
So I bought a crashed/salvaged 2013 GTI off the insurance auction with 46,000 miles on it, carried over the whole thing Engine+DSG+Front Subframe, threw in new timing and and APR Head studs, new coolant pump, not because 46k miles engine needed that but because with engine being out of the car, there will be never be more convenient time to do this.
So, to make a long story short, the donor with 46K miles, where I took Engine, DSG, Steering rack and other parts of front suspension costed me $4600 with all auction fees, delivered to my house. These VW being mass produced cars, there are always plenty to choose from out of less lucky ones that got in to accident but engine being still good, I don't see much reason to have these fully rebuilt. Yeah, headwork is fine, if timing jumped, reseat new valves, resurface, new valve seals ok but attempting to rebuilt the whole engine, I don't know, especially if you are in US, UK where labor costs are quite high, I don't think so.
IDk, may be 1.8T is less expensive but here in US, nice 2.0T Gen1 CCTA or CBFA with, lets say 50,000 miles, the kind you want, so you can refresh it with new timing, water pump etc while its out, costs $4000-4500 and thats just an engine, without paying to anyone to swap it.
Seems to be a common thread that regular maintenance is lacking which contributes to the failures.
like in my town a pile of new looking mazdas driving around with a cloud of blue smoke...oil changes are important
A big part of the problem are the unrealistic maintenance intervals specified by manufactures to earn tree-hugger points.
@@tempest411 my wife has got an Audi Q2 1.6 diesel and the oil change intervals are 18k miles. It hurts to see how the engine is slowly dying but it's a leased car so we will stick to the manufacturer's schedule and won't waste our money. I would not want to buy this car as a used car though.
Those m12 impacts save so much time
Must after closing time. The cleaning lady is vacuuming the workshop 😅
7:13 Perfect meme, right there.. lol
All that $$$ and time, could have been used on a new engine. Sometimes we live and learn.
Had me there for a second during the break....
When a manufacturer decides to build engines without a dip stick to monitor oil levels they will go bang. The idea of letting the engine heat up before it displays the oil level on the dash is just asking for trouble.
People buy VAG because they think they are quality cars, they aren’t! They all all buying a badge and not quality.
It seems all European stuff these days is just pure shit.
100% agree, for a premium brand most of the Cars are poorly designed and engineered.
1500 rebuild = dismantle - clean - rebuild. No new parts :)
Just rods and your hood pending on which head and block combo
My favourite saying as for these things goes - if you can't afford a new one, you probably can't afford a used one.
My D2 S8 V8 engine is still going strong pulls like a train to its 7250 rpm limit still.
3:53 hahaha you had me then…I just got comfy!
my 2.0 tfsi oil pump failed. at 100k. i hear its endemic in these poor quality engines
I´m watched all of this channel videos and please continue this channel supply also forward! Oil consumption videos/tube in Audi 2,0 TDI version also needing to watch, how yours team repair this issue?
Can you do a your of the shop and go into depth on how it runs, your experience and role in the shop? Thanks
So you have also English channel. Brilliant.
What Audi’s would you recommend buying out of interest? Great work,keep it up 😃
No cam bearings??? What kind of engineering is that???
Sadly, that's the norm and has been for decades. But you're right, not incorporating replaceable bearing shells is smooth-brain engineering.
Rule #1 when buying a second hand motor! Does it turn!
When you realize this is like Car Mechanic Simulator but in real life
Why did he bother asking you to strip it?
I think the customer paid for information.
If it was me, i'd want to know why my engine died shortly after rebuild.
Information can help the customer to sue the rebuilder that messed up.
I would have taken the sump of first and had a look.
Glad it's Christmas time as all that pretty, in the sump 😢
Well I'm so happy that I know what I buy.
What about the knocking SQ5?...
why dont audi put shell bearings on the cam shaft heads instead you got to buy a new head thats german engineering for you
You pretty much answered your own question. If manufacturers made cars to last, the market for new cars would be reduced. Same as apple and phone chargers lol. Shame really. My 20 year old BMW doesn't even have water temp shown on the dash - wtaf. You can sure tell cars are only meant to last 5 years or 100k miles - which ever comes first - these days.
A once great car manufacturer. Now decidedly lost.
They haven't been any good since the introduction of OBD2 back in the mid 90s.
will there be a part 2 with the replacement engine?
Zdravím z CZ :)
How much would you charge to refurb a VW 2.0 TSFi CAWB engine ? (Scirocco 2008 TSi GT DSG)
it runs ok but i want a full rebuild pretty much every bearing and seal, piston rings, water pump timing chain head gasket etc just for preventative maintenance
i've already changed out a few parts on it myself as it was throwing epc for thottle body and intake manifold (old style manifold that is common to fail have replaced it with new version), sent off injectors they were really bad so changed injectors, intake manifold, thottle body, crank sensor, pcv vavle oil return gasket for turbo as it was leaking, coils and plugs but still has a small misfire on idle and plugs are a bit oily pretty sure its piston rings
Is there any VAG engine from this century that's famous for NOT having any problems? :D
Audi b8 v8 is bullit proof.
PD TDI
the original 1.8t aeb engine is the best one
@@robt8042until the oil pump balance shaft gives up on the 2.0tdi
4.2 in b8.5 rs5, unless you count the catalytic converters or carbon cleaning i think it's pretty solid
Nice video. Interesting that VAG haven't moved to these stupid wet timing belts. Sell-up the customer to a turbo 6L LS swap if he wants real performance.
Oil pump is driven by wet belt.
A hidenn time bomb to destroy the engine and force you to buy a new car.
It's need not be lack of maintenance with these engines as they where a garbage design. Unless you don't care about money, keep well away from Audi TFSI. My A5 needed a total rebuild after less than 50,000 miles with oil changes of mobil 1 at every 5,000 miles. After rebuild by Audi the turbo failed within a few thousand miles at a cost of another £2000+ pounds to replace.
What year was your car? Does this apply to all TFSI or just the old ones ?
@@erikson024 Its about 2008 to 2012, my one was 2010. Steer clear of any VW or Audi TSFI engine. The 2 ltr diesel is very good though. I have a Audi Tt this from 2008 and it has been an excellent engine.
Was that a CDAA by any chance? Just moved on my Skoda Superb with the same engine. Lovely car but drank oil like a wino with a grand in his pocket.
keep adding oil, otherwise you'll end up with a broken junkyard engine. Only way to solve this is new piston rings, especially the oilrings. This will cost you a fortune. Trade it in and buy a decent brand, like Toyota
I've this engine in my 2010 seat leon (1p). I had this problem 6 years ago - it drank oil like crazy, it had around 80k km at that time. I'm not 100% sure how much oil it was, i think 1 dcl on 100km or something like that. Really crazy numbers.
I did my research and got lucky -- somebody on octavia forums (czech web page) explained me what is going on, what is the problem with this engine and how should one fix it.
VW published TPI about this too.
Issue is with the type of oil piston rings used in this engine. They used drilled through ones which were causing issues. I used grooved ones which fixed the issue. I was lucky to find a good garage that was willing to do this against TPI. Why ? Official service wanted to change the pistons to versions that had different wrist pin size and hence new rods had to be used.
Pistons from older type, BZB, fits just nicely. That's what I used -- BZB pistons. Aftermarket, KOLBENSCHMIDT 40251600.
Btw. this engine had issues with cam chains too, they were snapping prematurely basically killing the engine.
After this service engine oil consumption is 0. It's been almost 7 years of testing and I've no problems. Tested it at speeds > 200km/h for prolonged time (highway), driving in town, cold weather, hot weather .. nothing, every time I check the oil it's where it should be.
I was told to open a dispute against VW, I think this was actually done in US. But I really didn't want to be dragged in courts. Especially when I have no knowledge how to proceed, etc.
I paid about 2500EUR at that time and I don't regret it.
Never liked those 1.8t. Mk4 1.8t best engine ever. 06A.
Pd 130 in my opinion is the best engine in the VAG group
@@lesbaty8919 They're literally all junk. Complete junk.
Buy cheap - pay twice
Why is your wife vacuuming the shop when you are filming?
Unlike any 1.8t I've ever seen... something we didn't get in the states? 2.0L?
It's a variant of the EA888
Mk7, 8V A3 and NMS Passat had these engines
This is a really great video!
I don't mean to go political routes but it makes you wonder; this engine of caise has issues but not all of it is useless. Which brings one to the question, imagine how much more could be done, how many 'poorer' people could technically have such cars if governmentants did not get in the way of why must whole parts be destroyed. I get safety rehu;ations yada yada stuff, but as someone living in South Africa, it is virtually impossible to import these cars and parts etc. I see many other poorer countries benefitting from these so they can also atleast have acvcess to such technologies. Makes you wonder a lot of things.
Anyway keep up the good work brother!
You can see why Audi were in such a hurry to go all electric , their customers were tired of paying huge repair bills on their crap engines. lol !
🤷♂️ I own Audis for 12 years all good
Got a 2.7 A6 Diesel at work with 230k on it just goes on and on and on.
Good channel but please get a lapel microphone 🎤
Hello where you are based ? You spoke Slovak on the beginning :)
Yes , Dy29et
I have had VW with this engine from 2011 to 2015, and just can say never again VW NEVER!
Ebay Special !!!!!🤣🤣
I wouldn’t touch a VAG product with a barge pole👎👎
Exactly me too.
What would you recommend instead? In Europe.
@@robt8042 I have a 20 year old Toyota that’s not broken down once, never failed an Mot, doesn’t burn oil or lose water and just keeps on going. I’d buy another.👍
@@big500 you don't need to buy another, it won't break 😉
@@Johan_Degen Hope so👍😎
absolute dog shit those TFSI lumps, we had an A1 1.4tfsi back in 2013, it ended up having a rebuild at less that 30,000 miles after it started drinking oil like fuel.
Just curious... if the *only* problem had been the scored camshaft journals and everything else was all right, what problems would arise if you just reassembled the engine and ran it? Clearly that was not the case with _this_ engine with bent crankshaft, missing piston rings, etc., but what if?
Generally unlikely; if it's started chewing on its own head, it's highly likely it's also chewing on the rest of the bearings.
The scoring would cause the crankshaft to eventually seize ("eventually" being a few thousand revolutions, I'd guess. Metal-on-metal ends in a friction weld ). That would cause the camchain to break, resulting in the pistons coming into intimate contact with the valves. Bent valves, bent conrods and the possibility of the bent controds making a break for freedom out of the side of the cylinder or down through the sump.
hey guys i like your videos and have been a mechanic for 30 years. But tearing down an engine in 5 hours, really 2 hours top.
Thats What I said in the video
This is a great video, but the music.....
what a stupid move from the owner : he could get a full working engine from junkyard for like 2k€ and install it without rebuilt cost
these audi engines are GARBAGE anyway - dont buy that crap
Right but then he has no idea the maintenance intervals or care that was involved in the junkyard motor, this way if he really wants the car to stay on the road, he'll have a fully rebuilt engine and know that everything is good, and all of the wearables have been replaced.
Not the cheapest option, but I'm guessing it's something like his wife's car. My father just did the same for my mother, she loves the 2012 CC even though it's a money pit. Rather than deal with the double headache - just pay the money and move on if you have it.
How is it a typical story, could you please go into this as I'm not from the UK.
And what's the language / dialect at the start of the video?
How did the engine have so little oil in it? You almost didn't need gloves.
Endless money pits!
Tell me about it. Somehow my dumbass brother got my parents to buy a 2012 CC, and he bought a 2014. I couldn't have cringed harder, my parents 2012 has already been through a timing chain/used transmission... Cost??? Roughly 6k.... They bought the car for 8..... Only has 127k miles on it. Just waiting for the day my brother's blows up, dude has no money to repair it and we already think the 6k USD turbo is bad at 45k miles.
Absolute junk. I'll drive my 2000s hondas/toyotas/GMs until i die!
Wait what ??? 5 hours to tear that engine down ? Are those dealership hours or your shop hours ?
Why how long would it take you?
Took me 2h on the end , owner was charged two h
@@VAGTechnic I guess not everybody understood your jokes, like the 5h ;)
@@scott2495😂😂😂
Great video. Sell me rods and pistons for my b9 plzzzzzzzzz
Finally ordered some. Coming soon
@@VAGTechnic going to be a month +? Should I just order rod resize?
TFSI = triple trouble
TSI = totally s**t idea
TFSI = totally fu**ing s**t idea.
polak?
Just normal Audi quality. Wasn´t this shait engine designed and developed by Audi?
They ran the motor with defective oil pump.
How do they screw up the design of an oil pump? They'd only have THOUSANDS of successful examples to learn from, including their own from 20+ years ago.
My almost 3 year old audi a3 probably won't pass its first mot due to constant fault codes I've had scrappers I trusted more my car has almost caused at least 5 potentially lethal accidents they know yet still sell deathtraps 12k mileage no one wants to drive it but I am disabled and need a car
THREE YEARS OLD??? That's crazy!
@@tempest411 I gave up returning my car for repair after 13 attempts audi dealers just lied to my face don't touch modern audis
These manufacturers are not properly texting their products, or they are under the gun time wise and are releasing bad products anyway, I would be angry if I were an owner of such a poorly designed vehicle,customers will be sure not to look back ,when manufacturers ghost them.
Why am I listening to a vacuum cleaner?
Adding a cheap timing chain kit from China to an already frail engine, what could go wrong?
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Modern engines are not built to be rebuildable. They have a finite service life, and when problems occur outside that finite service life, the engines are either so bad they are not economic to repair, or in many cases parts are not available. Many issues with modern common rail diesel engines, are related to fuel system problems, and I would guess its very common for engines to be "repaired" or replaced, and for failure to occur again very soon. If you have major engine problems on a car or van, probably best to scrap it, as trying to get it "repaired" may well end up costing more than the vehicle value..................
no engine was designed to last forever, and all engineers can do is calculate bearing stresses, torsional loads, blah blah.
and how to make it. as quickly and cheaply as possible so they can make lots of them and sell them...
i look at an old B&S. its cheap, its common. sure, i can swap this, change that... lots of compatibility...
can machine out bearings and reline sleeves, but in the end...
why bother? theyre cheap and common. fun to play on, not worth reviving when stuffed.
old engines are just as bad to work on but teh difference is that often theres no replacements at all and someones willing to pay... to make a set of patterns to make a new head, then machine it, for that obscure 1914 cast iron lump that someone found in a shed...
to weld those magnesium cases from a 1984 CR125, then jig up and machine the water pump housing again...
to throwing a new DOHC on the mill and reboring the camjournals...
its only worth it when someone wants to pay or theres some sort of personal satisfaction... (like le dan and allen millyard with their... frankensteins...)
when parts and labour costs more than a new vehicle...
@@paradiselost9946 Rubbish! The main reason for modern engine failure, is due to issues with electronic control systems.
There are of course designed in self-destruct features on the engines themselves, such as the "wet belt" camshaft drive system on some Fords.
Many engines from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, are still going strong, with some of them having far better spare part support than anything current.
Back in the day engines tended to get designed by engineers, not by accountants, mainly interested in passing the latest BS emission standards as cheaply as possible!
Every time the emission rubbish is tightened up, more cheaply made Chinese electronics get hung on vehicles, and they become even more unreliable.
The purpose of all of this seems to be to curtail, any private ownership of powered personal transport? That obviously includes EVs, whose insurance costs will soon be far too costly for most owners to afford.
A combination of poor design ( wet belt instead of a chain,why?) Poor components and trying to ring every bit of power out of it for economy and long service intervals all contribute. I had a Volvo C70 petrol with 228000 miles on it when I sold it,just bought a S60 d5 with 208'000 miles on it. Regular servicing is the key,oil and filter are a cheap mechanic.
Isn't that curious? My Citroen 2,0HDi engine is on 400K with nothing other than basic routine maintenance.
Or maybe it's just that German automotive design has tanked ever since the big bosses started using American business practices.
@@humourless682 I'd suggest you put that colander back on your head.
The idea that engines in the 50s,60s and 70s were more reliable should be obviously laughable. My parents had original minis at that time and those engines rarely hit 100k! Even engines form the 70s were not much better. I would trust a Kent engine to go much more than 200K.
And those engines drank like petrol was going out of fashion. 25-30mpg was the norm for even a basic, cheap family car. I never saw more than 32mpg from my mkII Escort.
I would agree that engines tended to be designed by engineers, not accountants. But that would only apply to engines coming from Germany, France and Italy. UK engines were barely designed at all, and that was usually about 30 years before anything else on the market. Italian engines tended to be reasonably well designed, but were let down by absolutely hopeless electrics and appalling ancillaries, while French engines tended to be interesting while also being competent. Germany earned its reputation in this period.
Unfortunately, Germany's reputation has been entirely squandered over the past couple of decades, and so many German engines just seem to be designed to fail .Plastics that are heat cycled, dual mass flywheels and American business practices have led to the decimation of Germany's famed reputation for engineering and thus reliability.
What I find truly amazing is that so many people still believe the BS about German engineering these days.
How many TPS boxes you got there ?
I don’t see an engine rebuild in this video????????!!!!!!!!
Because it wasn’t worth on this engine
you’re a truly Maestro indeed…the volkswater engines are so garbage…oil consumption, cracking cilynders, distribution chains, lifter’s bearings made of tin…the way seeing your videos is so interesting for me…
😂😂😂Not completely true but you are open to your opinion.
@@shimon2476 eheheheheh…isn’t true maybe?
@@fulvioplatania3091 I work on these engines on a daily basis they are not junk like what people who watch videos seem to say
@@shimon2476 so are you telling me these engines do not drink lubricant, no problem about some cracks, no problems about the heads, valves?
Strange...
@@fulvioplatania3091 you are not a mechanic you don't know anything other than what you have watched on CZcams I'm telling you gen 1 engines don't have engine oil burning issue cracked pistons etc gen 2 has the defective oil control ring issue which causes high oil consumption cracked pistons and burnt valves are not a issue with these engine and yes they have cam bridge and balance shaft issues not a common thing as well but stop trying to spread doom and gloom I have a gen 1 personally running over 300k kilometres in a Passat.
So, we'll never know the mileage, I guess.
Over 100k but no body know if the engine done That 😀
If that happened in Germany, the seller would be held liable for selling you a junker.
Not if you buy from private.
@@cube234 i think in both germany and belgium you can still be held liable for knowing selling a car with a prominent issue. Not something couldnt have known, but this was clearly patched up to fail a few k later.
How is this possible! It looks as if no car companies give a DAM anymore! Everything is plastic and sensors just fail in the worst location! Everything is stacked up so you have to take off 3 parts to get to the one that’s bad ! I think that I could do better than the people that design this Garbage!
Recon = big con a lot of the time
Shit engine multiple balance shafts to stop vibrations and poor camshaft setup
I'm in an electric car for 6 years . Not even a single visit to the mechanic in last 60k miles
How much you paid for the car ?
@VAGTechnic £15250 ex demonstrator nissan leaf with 500 miles on the clock. Now you can get crazy awesome electric cars with bigger batteries for similar price. You have to be insane or like to burn cash to drive petrol/diesel
The only excuse is if you can't charge at home or work. As public charging is expensive and you pay the equivalent of diesel prices to charge.
@@xperyskop2475coming out your house to see a Nissan leaf everyday is the most depressing thing I’ve ever heard, I’ll keep the V8 and no I’m not insane.
@@xperyskop2475
So I drive a 2.0tdi it’s done 338k miles, I bought it at 280k I cost £2.5k and has needed £2k worth of work over the years
It’s averaged 55mpg
It’s cost £6500 in fuel to do that mileage so £11,000 for 58,000 miles if it’s worth nothing now which it’s not, honestly I think it’s got the same again left in it.
Now for the leaf let’s say your electric average 22p per kilowatt which is cheap.
That works out at 5p per mile x 60,000 that’s £3000
So there £18,250 for 60,000 miles
All fixable with spray welding. Or oversize/undersizing journals
Been there , bag of shit glued engines . No warranty from any one
I do cars should check out this vid.
Terrible acoustic quality.
Imagine working there everyday 😪
he just needs a small mic,, calm down
Rebuild a TFsi ..... Lmao ... Straight in the garbage and get a new one.
VW crap quality strikes again
Woah that's really trash engine.
the kids is why you dont buy an Audi
This is why stupid awnser exist kids.
It's an engine with problems but what problems are still there in the new ea888 gen3(b) motors. There are several brands with crappy motor the PSA 1.6THP is nowadays still a horror piece of metal.
Thr ea888 is coming refined in every version.
what is this stupid beeping ?
Buy damn microphone
rode bluetooth mic on clip😀
audi crap
Stopped buying VW and Skoda, too unreliable.
typical vw drivers, worst junk you can get => "OOHHH GOTTA PUT THAT IN MY EPIC VW THAT I BOUGHT FOR 200 POUNDS". Epic....
Audi engines these days are totally rubbish
made in Hungary
@@Bet-vx3fg It's not where it's made. It's the fundamental design and choice of materials. that engine could've been built by a team of gran prix mechanics and it would still be a crap engine.
@@tempest411It's green deal and eco. By new car every 3 years 😀