Time Alpe d'Huez Disc 2023 with Sram and Zipp: Dream Bike Build and Ride in 4K HDR
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- Follow along as I build up my dream bike: the Time Alpe d'Huez with Sram Force AXS, learn about what makes it special to me, and why I chose it.
@TheTimeSport
0:00 Gratuitous Intro
0:32 Rear derailleur install and overview
1:27 Bottom Bracket
2:02 Crankset
2:15 Front derailleur
3:15 Brakes
3:46 Headset bearings and internal hoses
5:10 Stem & hose routing
5:50 Handlebar
7:21 Brifters
8:47 Cassette, rotors, and wheels
9:27 Seatpost
10:15 Chain and gear setup
11:20 Brake bleeding
12:20 Glamor shots
13:30 Action shots - Sport
Great colour!
Love that color!
Nice to see you back.
Great video, Justin! Enjoyed the footage of the bike, build process and the actual ride. It's a refreshing beauty and engineering marvel. Once again congrats!
Thanks Peter, and for your help along the way! :)
Looks stunning. What I've heard is that the quality is exceptional and the bike is properly engineered and comfortable. As you say, enjoyment is what it's all about.
time alpthe huez is so beautiful 😮
Congratulations. May it give you loads of enjoyment. Sweet colour too!
Thank you! I LOVE THE COLOR. I knew I didn't want another black bike, and the green was perfect
Beautiful color! Videography has leveled up hugely too. I expect you are gonna start dropping more videos based on that. Looking forward to tuning in!
Thank you! It's actually shot in HDR too, so maybe CZcams will eventually enable that on this vid. And yes, more is on the way. I'm just busier than ever, ha. But I appreciate it! :)
Sweet.
If I were in the market for a carbon fiber road bike, this is the one I would be looking at. Nice job on the video production by the way!
Complimenti a te Time è una garanzia un telaio bellissimo Time è eccezionale
posso dirlo perché posseggo una bici Time Skylon che è fantastica .
Justin- great video, I’m looking at a consignment Time and this helped a lot! Was curious for a follow up on how you’ve enjoyed this! Thanks!
Absolutely great. The only major tweak I've made (and I still need to make a video on this,) is: I don't trust hookless nor see the upsides to it, so I swapped the Zipps for some Light Bicycle AR465s on DT350s, which I quite like. I also had some major problems with my Sram AXS that required a warranty swap through Sram for the RD (which admittedly would have been easier with a larger brand I bought through an LBS.) But in terms of the actual bike itself, very very much enjoyed. I’ve really come to enjoy the ride quality and geometry (which just works VERY well for me once I dialed it in.) A lot of non-aggressive geometries (basically, not Tarmacs, etc) really seem to imply that if you don’t want a crit machine, you want handling like an oil tanker. The geo on this really seems to thread that needly between very stable at speed while also being nimble when you push it. It’s very much what I was looking for.
That's awesome feedback, thank you!@@JustinDoesTriathlon
This intro 😍
That foam hose is a good idea. I've tried using zip ties to push the cord to one side and hold internal cables in place and reduce rattle but that hose is a more elegant solution.
@@mlegrand I know Shimano says the zip ties are a good move, so I assume it works well for di2 cables and stuff. But yeah, the hose, albeit overpriced, worked great!
I like the red one the best but this is also really nice colour.
It was definitely a choice between those colors!
I’ve had mine for about 3 months with pretty much exactly the same build. You’re going to love it bro!
Hell yeah! Small crowd, they sure don't make a lot of them. I will admit though... I have a major upgrade (or side grade, perhaps?) arriving Thursday. 😅
@@JustinDoesTriathlon Wheels by any chance? I’ve just ordered some to replace my zipps… 😂
@@slaughter950 HA! We think the same. Yes, wheels, some Light Bicycle AR465s. I wanted hooked wheels.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon Haha! Class!
I really didn’t like the 303s’. Kept filling with water and not draining properly. I switched to some hooked rims too. Got some Enves 2nd hand for a very good price.
Hope your wheels complete the build! :)
@@JustinDoesTriathlonSmall crowd for now. Under the new ownership and when the new production facility in the US is up and running I think Time will become more and more a common brand. I only hope they will keep the quality at the same level. But I will buy an EU produced frame before that. Just in case…😂
👌👌👌
sweet riding bike!! nice video
i got sram force axs wide (gearing) that i need to add to 1 bike. order it doing covid time.. what tires are you running?
That intro was smoking! Right? 👌
@@mlegrand yes it was solid
@@bonn1771 I'm really liking the wider ratio vs my old gearing. 2x10 @ 12-25 because I liked that tight gearing, but when it got steep, my cadence would drop fast. 2x12 @ 10-33 still gives me my tight gearing, but drops way lower once the road turns up, which is great. Tires are Goodyear Eagle F1s (just because they came with the bike.) Haven't pushed them hard or in many conditions yet, and only have ~~400mil on them, but they seem good. Stickier than my old GP4000s. When these eventually wear out I'd probably do GP5ks or Pirelli PZeros.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon ratios are key. And nice. My friend uses those for training right now as well. Enjoy your ride
I totally agree with the things you said. Time is not a try-hard company that produces a super-aero or super-light bike, they just produce a very good bike. And also like you said, Time is the bike for the type of people that "if you know, you know".
Absolutely. Word on the street is that if you're looking for aero, the updated Skylon is coming in March or April... 😏
@@JustinDoesTriathlon ,...Any thoughts on this Bikes climbing abilities? I really want one but I cannot afford to give up much in a bikes ability to help me climb well. I am trying to choose between this and a Giant Propel. I suspect that the time will climb about as well as the Propel will. Any insight would be appreciated.
@@exposingfakechristianity5556 I'm probably the wrong person to ask on this because my general perspective is that all bikes are basically very similar and most people should just pick one that's their favorite color (assuming the geo works for them.) I believe the frames of both bikes weigh similarly (Which is to say, neither are extremely light compared to the ultralight frames.)
I enjoyed that. I'm currently contemplating the same frame in red but with DI2 and Hambini BB. I just think these bikes look stunning and scream quality.
Do it! If possible, buy through a dealer vs. direct.
Why not direct?
I ended up with a Look 765 Optimum because the geometry was a better fit. Bought the frame from a bike shop and had them build it up to my spec. For me I wanted a more bespoke build that direct doesn’t offer.
Looks have the best paint scheme of all bikes IMO
@@Floemo much better customer support through a dealer. Time's national direct sales is... Fine at best.
Time bicycles - stand the test time. Great slogan aint it?
Hey Justin, great build and footage of the TIME bike. I'm just waiting a few days to receive my ADHX with the Amber resin. So exciting to build the component list and will use a lot of the tips and build details you have shown here. I'll be running with SRAM Force in a 1x drivetrain 10-44t with 40t chainwheel. Did you manage to get the risk brake hose tube all the way down the cable run? It looked tricky to fit. Also I have LightBicycle XC924 rim wheelset coming as well.
That's going to be a great build! The tinted resin on the ADHXs is just 10/10. Yeah, the brake tube was a bit of a PITA. In retrospect I can think of two things that would help. One, run the brake host before putting the BB in. That'll give you better finger access down there as well. Two, use some sort of lube in the tube. Soapy water or isopropyl might work. I had to do the scrunch and pinch method. That said, it worked out well enough and I *definitely* reccomend the tube; the bike is silent.
Duno if you saw in my other comment, but I ALSO put Light Bicycle wheels on (AR465s.) They make a very solid wheel. Enjoy it! :D
I really like these frames. It seems like every choice Time made in its design was made to improve the practicality and durablity of the frame. There's lots of stuff that most people wouldn't notice. For example, Time limits the number of metal/carbon interfaces on the frame to limit galvanic corrosion. This probably won't matter until year four or five of ownership of the bike, but at that point the Time will still be in great shape while other frames will be starting to degrade. The paint, BB, dropouts, seat post clamp, headset seat etc, everything is simple and proven. This is a bike for people who like to ride a lot and want a bike for years that's not going to cause them problems. I'm personally waiting for a revised Scylon with an integrated front end, which will likely come in 2024.
Totally agree. It's funny because on one hand they're undeniably very flashy, but also they're a different kind of flash than a lot of the big name brands. I've just been around bikes long enough that I'm not impressed by whatever the engi-marketers come up with for this model year (forgetting The Big Thing that launched and dissapreared last year.) I just want a really solid frame, and this was it. I'm excited to see what they do on the Scylon. Mayne the Time gods will gift me a frame (kidding. mostly. 🥲)
Thanks for the honest, straightforward video! I’m looking at the Canyon Ultimate SF CLX and the frames look very similar. However, since learning about both Time and Look, I think my opinion of value is changing! BTW, How reliable is the Time size recommendation?
I do quite like Look, but my love of Mondrian is probably a bias there. 3T is also worth a look; they use RTM as well.
Does Time have a sizing on their site? I didn't know about it. I actually just sized it based on my old frame as well as using geometrygeeks.bike to compare the geos. For me, the geo of the Time was near perfect.
Thanx for the video. I'm just about to buy this bike. The question is if it's good on out of the saddle effort?
Nice build! Enjoy.
I have the ADHX with Red axs.
Question - I have the K-Edge chain catcher and it works and seems compatible. Why did yours not work?
Also - I need to investigate the chain breaker thing. Never occurred to me that my Park tool would not work. But I also have an Abbey chain tool.
The ADHX is so nice. I love that semi-clear resin. That's stunning. That is indeed interesting! I wonder if it's a Red vs. Force thing? On mine, the top of the cage interferes. Can't set the low limit properly. I suppose technically the better way of saying it is, "You can put the KEDge on, but on mine, for it to clear the FD cage it had to be so far inbound as to not really prevent drops." The Sram catcher has a deeper cutout and sharper bend, so it clears around the cage and then sits ~1.5mm away from the smaller chainring. Yeah, and I don't know about the chain breaker being a real problem or not, but all the Sram lit is very clear that there are specific tools to use to avoid damaging the plates. I needed a new one anyway so I bought one, but I dunno how 'required' it truly is.
Very nice Time!
Is this a size large you are riding and if so can you tell me how far you set your saddle top above the center of the bottom bracket? Thanks
Thanks! You got it, it's a Large. From exact middle of BB to top of saddle, running right up the seat tube, is 29.5"/75cm. I will actually be raising this appx .25" on mine. The geo on this frame is very interesting (I assume you're considering?) It's defintely not a full race bike, but with the seattube angle and chainstay, it's still fun. I very much like it.
Respect-a ginger who bought a green bike.
Oddly enough, I have[d] brown hair! Red beard tho. :D
Thanks for sharing. I'm very tempted. Are you going to race on it with clip-ons?
I quite like it! No on the clip ons, this is my fun bike. The bars don't support them regardless. I'll probably eventually buy a disc brake TT bike after I forget how much this one cost.
Great video! Just ordered my ADH in red with Dura-Ace. What does your build weight in at?
Congrats! Very exciting. Did you get the chroma red or team red? I don't even have a preference, they're both fing great. I don't know weight, actually, don't have a proper bike scale. Heavier than my old very light CR1/rim brake, actually. I'd guess right around 8kg. TBH I'm not terribly concerned with weight in gernal, but yours will be lighter with DA than my Force.
@@JustinDoesTriathlonI went with the chroma red. How are you liking the Zipp 303s? Any issues or concerns with the hookless system?
@@chrismitsou9686 Very nice red. :D
Great question on the 303Ss. No issues, but yes I’ve swapped them out for some Light Bicycle AR465s. Basically, I don’t trust hookless. As I see it, essentially no upside at the risk of potential major downside. And it’s true, hookless has not shown to have significant problems in the vast majority of cases. Properly setup, it seems fine, and I trust my mechanic skills. That said, I bought my Time a month or two after having a catastrophic carbon wheel failure on a descent (not hookless related.) I know exactly what it feels like to have a wheel break, and it’s 0% fun. If I’m going fast, I don’t want to have that voice in the back of my head wondering if I should have added a few more PSI this morning and if I am at risk. Hooked clinchers just work. I wouldn’t tell someone not to ride hookless, but I just don’t see the benefit for me and swapping to something that alleviated it was very easy. Also, I like the gloss black of these wheels better than the matte on the Zipps. :D
Great video😊 I have a the same frame in chroma red on order. It looks spectacular on the TIME website! I would like to ask you what bb press tool you use ? Best regards
Oh congrats, chroma red is SO good looking! The BB press is a generic one from Amazon; nothing fancy, like $25. I did 3d print a bearing drift (I don't think it's in the vid though) to get them in straight. Just the ID of the BB shell and the OD of the press.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon thank you 😊 I don't have a 3D printer, so I have to buy the drifts...
@@nielsgramjeppesen7855 Worth it. The cups wanted to wander until I did that.
Great video! Can't wait to get myself a Time ADH, although I'm considering red at the moment. What are the bottle cages you're using? Are those the Deda ones?
Have you seen the new Team Red? The Chroma colors are *very* exciting to me, but I also love that team red on the frameset as well. I bet if you contacted them they'd hook you up. The cages are actually aliexpress ones I picked up for something like $15 for the pair! No idea how long they'll last, but no problems so far.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon No, sadly the Time website redirects probably based on my location (I'm from Germany) to a different distributor site which doesn't show Team Red. I was thinking to go with Chroma Red and likely I'll be able to try out a L size bike this weekend. Probably I'll need an XL size frame though.
So I tried out a red ADH Last Saturday and I was blown away. Due to some miscommunication it was even an XL size one that fits me. 😊 I think I'm sold on my new bike and just have to sell my old one. 😂
Excellent! 😀 I just really enjoy it.
Technically you could also be like me and keep your old bike and lie to yourself that you definitely need it and absolutely can't get rid of it 🙃😅
Stunning build.
What is the weight out of interest ?
I'm really not sure. 17 or 18lb probably? More than my outgoing Scott CR1, actually, but that was a very light build
S size 1050g clear gloss frame,
Just got my frame and want to build it up with the same Deda stem system you have used. On the Deda website for the headset top cap it doesn’t list Time as an option but does list many other manufacturers, which one did you choose to be compatible with your frame?
Great video, thanks 👍
Certainly. So the one that I used was included, and it's the Deda Alanera "TOP CAP SUPERBOX dedaelementi.com/superbox-topcap) on their website. Works perfect. One note, if you're using the Superbox + the Deda expanding plug, it's a little different than a lot of other stems. The top cap actually extends below flush with the surfact of the stem, and you need room to take up slack in the bearings. Officially, the Deda expansion plug manual or Superbox manual (I believe, absolutely double check this!!) indicates a nominal 3-4mm gap between the top of the steerer tube and the flush top of the stem. This is different than the vast majority (nearly all) carbon steerer tubes/expansion plug/stem combos where the steerer extends to the top of the stem and then you use a 5mm spacer on top to pull up space. So, all that's to say that if you use the Alanera top cap, you'll end up cutting the steerer a touch shorter than you would with a more traditional stem/spacer setup.
Do you put the stem on the steerer, make a mark and then take of 3 more millimeters?
I’m about to do the same ”operation” and are a little nervous about it 😅
In the Deda superbox manuall it seems like it should be 3 mm down from the top of the top cap?
@@robertkleemann11 Steerer tube was the one thing I took to my LBS (mainly because I don't have a carbon saw.) IIRC (absolutely double check,) what you said is correct: Deda wants ~3mm of gap. The manual is atypical; most carbon steerers require the steerer flush with the top of the stem, and then typically a 5mm spacer to take up bearing gap. This stack is different, and yes, the steerer is shorter than the stem, but only very slightly. It's nervewracking.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon thanks for the reply and great video! Been watching it several times 👌
@@robertkleemann11 No prob! Congrats on the fun new bike. :D
I'm looking forward to Time starting their manufacturing in the US. We are producing some quality bikes and stealing that crown from the Italians. I wish Cannondale would have stayed in the US, the bikes were better then. It's really baffling to me that bikes being made in Asia come with such a crazy price tag. I would pay the high price for something produced here in the US but not from another Country. That said, I now sport a US fabricated Titanium frame made from US made titanium. The quality differences can be seen when you compare to Asian products.
Justin, are those 28's that you have on your bike? If so, how much clearance is there? Close to dragging? Thanks.
Had to bust out my calipers. :) They are indeed 28 nominal that measure in at 28.6mm. There is 5.6mm clearance to the inside of the rear stays. No dragging, but they are pretty stiff wheels. I would not go for 30s. If you're looking for wider, the ADHX (the original ADHX, not the new ADHX 45) is closer to 35mm or 38mm supported, and with a geometry that is *nearly* identical to the ADH. It's effectively a roughroads ADH.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon -- Thanks for the detailed answer and taking the time to measure. Highly appreciated.
@@agie170hss2 happy to help!
As a frenchman fairly versed in engineering considerations and composites, you're riding a rather unique piece of engineering. If only Time had better looking paint jobs...
Oh man if I could get a Time frame with a Look/Mondrian paint job... 😍
@@JustinDoesTriathlon hahaha that would be like pouring chocolate on camembert! You should have camembert and then you should have chocolate, but you can't mix the two. Would be an abomination :D but Time needs to hire a pretty lady with taste who will come up with nice paint jobs. Currently time frames are like a Hermes bag with a strap taken from a Lidl bag. Or a really hot chick wearing crocs with spinach stuck in her teeth.
@@pierrex3226 😁 I love it. Honestly, the Mondrian schemes on Looks nearly swayed me that direction (I have a design background). But sadly, it seems like they deemphasized the full schemes and they were more just subtle. Oh well. I'm content (for now. :D )
@@JustinDoesTriathlon pinarello is leaning hard into the custom painting in Italy. Given they're owned by LVMH, it probably makes financial sense. Would time and look sell more bikes if they offered custom paint jobs? That sounds half cringe, then again, time paint jobs are so underwhelming that I'd probably be in favour of that myself if I were them...
Hello! Great build. What is the frame size? How tall are you? I think I'm between sizes M and L. Thank you.
Thanks! I'm exactly 6ft (Proportionally longer legs) and I'm an L. M was way too small for me.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon Thank you very much.
Can you run mechanical group sets?
No
Hey! Question about tire clearance - is it really only 28mm? What tire size are you using and how wide it really is on those Zipp wheels?
Yeah I wouldn't go wider than 28s, it's a real 28c clearance. I have actually since sold the Zipps and moved to Light Bicycle AR465s. I can throw some calipers on to check the actual measurement, but yeah, I wouldn't plan on running over 28s. That said... The interesting thing is that their ADHX (not the AHDX45) is verrrryyyy close to the exact same geo. If you’re looking for an ADH but want wider, that’s probably your move.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon Please do the measurement if you can. For example Conti GP5000 S TR 28 measures >29mm on a 19mm IW rim, which in itself is considered narrow for today’s standards. Yet Time markets the ADH with Zipp wheels, which are either 23 or 25mm IW. Are they using 25C tires? A 28C tire will blow up to at least 30mm on these rims 🤔
Will do tomorrow night 👍
@@pogoking4000 Alright, here you are. I'm running Light Bicycle AR465 wheels that have a claimed internal width of 21mm. Paired with Goodyear Eagle F1 28mms. At pressure, measuring the tires at 26.8. I have appx 6mm of clearance from the tire to the rear stays.
Hi. I'm about to purchase the 2023 frame like yours in different color but I haven't heard back from Time yet, so I'll ask you: did the frame come w/ the seat post? I can't find the info on the website.
P.S. Also, you mentioned that you were not aware of the sizing chart. Yes, because I couldn't find one either. What's your height and what size you went for?
I bought a complete bike (unassembled), and it came with the seat post. I think if you buy a frame only, it’s frame and fork only.
I am exactly 6ft, with proportionally long legs. I went with a size L, based on my stack and reach from my old frame. I could fit into an XL, but I prefer riding smaller frames and adapting the cockpit from there vs. a larger frame with less adaptability.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon Oh that's interesting! I'm somewhat a Van Aert-like rider on the sense that he rides a way smaller frame than those generic charts recommend. I'm a tiny bit taller than 6'1 and my Giant TCR is M/L. It fits perfect and is very compact, a total slammed racing position. But when comparing numbers from Time ADH 21 some numbers favor M while others L. Now, going from such a different geo that my TCR is to Time ADH 21 is hard to tell which size would give me that same or the most similar position that my TCR does. My TCR has 110 stem and I'm upgrading to 120. That's why I gotta wait for Time staff to get back to their offices on Mon. I only wanted to ask does the frame run small in sizes, at least for you?
@shadowsun33 So definitely double check this, but imo yes, the frames are on the smaller size of their sizes. But they're also not that aggressive in general. If you haven't used it, check out geometrygeeks.bike. It's a tool that lets you punch in multiple bikes in multiple sizes and compare the geo. I checked out the 2019 (Guess) TCR in L vs the ADH in L, and the ADH is lower/shorter/longer in almost every dimension relative. Seems that an ADH XL is more akin to the TCR L. geometrygeeks.bike/compare/time-2023-alpe-dhuez-disc-2023-l,giant-defy-advanced-pro-0-2019-l,time-2023-alpe-dhuez-disc-2023-xl/
@@JustinDoesTriathlon Yes, I was comparing the 3 on the geeks website yesterday. Giant TCR M/L against Time ADH 21 M and L. By reach I figured that this time I may have to go w/ L, which is 57. However, when I tried Pinarello F5 aka Prince I was shocked to see that their 54.5 size fit me well which was size M. Thanks for your input.
@@shadowsun33 Sounds like you've got it right! Big thing for me is: You can always make a small bike a little bigger, but it's hard to make a big bike smaller.
Good year Eagle F1 work on hookless?
I don't know about all hookless, but they're listed as compatible for the 303S. Make sure to double check tho.That said, I don't trust hookless and have moved to a different set of tubeless clinchers.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon U have any problems with 303s and Eagle f1?
No@@DISCOhooch
@@JustinDoesTriathlon thx
As a mtb rider I lost a lot of braincells while installing that stem. Noone needs this.
As a bad MTBer, I don't have any braincells left after having to rebuild my shock.
@@JustinDoesTriathlon haha that's why I pay other experts to do it for me. 😁
@@fpeter01 I'm normally *VERY* DIY. Never doing that again.
Beautiful, but lose the undersaddle bag.
No thanks. I'm not stuffing junk in my pockets when there's a perfectly good spot on my bike. Function>fashion.
Weight, aero losses and only 28c clearance is a deal breaker for competitive cycling
What cat are you?
your not meant to grease the shell when pressing the BB
Yes you are, per their instruction manual. It's step one under Bottom Bracket Shell Preperation:
docs.sram.com/en-US/publications/7unL17qdyCWxTL38aPmYJ0/UM%20-%20DUB%20Cranksets%20and%20Bottom%20Brackets?models=bb-dub-pf-a1#hashItem=bottom-bracket-shell-preparation
time manual says not to@@JustinDoesTriathlon
Interesting. I'll ask the Time assembly manager. Worst case scenario I guess I'll pull it off, but I'm not concerned. Thanks for noting it, I'll report back once I get an aswer. Do you have a link to the Time manual? I've not seen the Time assembly manual before, just the general owners manual.
This guy builds time bikes on a daily basis,great channel, this is my supersix being built up ,being in his shop there are loads of time and look bikes being custom built he is a dealer in their frames and has close relationship with Time technicians ,always banging on regarding no grease on bb shell even cannondale have it in build manual here in this vid,hope this helps czcams.com/video/QB9KrEinRWY/video.htmlsi=mQp8gGPSrKZoZgeA@@JustinDoesTriathlon
here is a link to Hambini ,being recognized as making the best bb money can buy ,also a great channel,not really needed in time bikes tho as their frames are so precise but very interesting
those zipps are gonna ping my dude, bladed spokes are going to creak and pop where they cross unless you like replacing spokes constantly
Interesting. I've run bladed spokes for about 15 years and never had any issues. Probably a perk of being light. I've actually already replaced the Zipps though, too (still with CXRays tho) because I don't trust hookless.
How to ruin a good build? Put Zipp wheels on it
They're already sold. 😀
@@JustinDoesTriathlon 😍 the bike looks stunning though, good job :P
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