A Better Permethrin
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2021
- I have been treating my clothing with permethrin for years before venturing out on backpacking and hiking trips. I started using permethrin from Sawyer, then changed to diluting farm grade permethrin. However, now I am using a product called Duration. It is the only 10 percent concentrated permethrin that is registered with the EPA for application on clothing.
I received my Duration permethrin from The Tick Terminator (insert cheesy Schwartzenegger voice here). Duration is 50% cheaper than Sawyer and unlike the farmer grade permethrin it is approved for clothing application. The Ticker Terminator tells me application of Duration can last up to 6 months (while Sawyer lasts 6 weeks). Also, I didn't mention it in the video, but Duration does not have a strong odor like the farm grade permethrin.
The cost of Duration is $36.50 and can be purchased at www.thetickterminator.com.
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West Nile... My partner was a very healthy 63 yrs old. Runner, surfer, bicycler, hiker. Vacationing in Calif, I planned a day hike for us. Several days later my partner was in the hospital ICU. He was 100% awake and aware, but paralyzed from the nose down. Imagine being paralyzed, trach-ed & on a ventilator, with catheters, and a feeding tube, able to do nothing more than blink your eyes, knowing that if you survive, this is probably how you'll live for of the rest of your life. For my partner, the rest of his life was 4 weeks of physical pain and mental anguish. There's no cure. Statistically, few get this sick, but why take the chance when there are repellents? Thank you for this important video!
I wrote a short story several years ago titled. The guardians of paridice. It was about how tics and mosquitoes keep most people out of the woods
Midwest backpacker thank you for the information it was very helpful. A well ventilated area would be outside wearing a mask would be a smart thing to do. Spraying of any chemicals should be done carefully not to ingest into your lungs and blood stream.
Remember what this product is for then use common sense.
Seven years ago, my wife died from a tick bite. She was in the VA ICU for a week but, they wouldn't give her the antibiotics. The tests for tick diseases are very unreliable. They finally did a blood smear which showed anaplasmosis. She started on antibiotics but died that night. There are 9 tick diseases in CT now. I use Sawyer Permethrin most of the year. I got tick sick in February this year so, now I will have to keep up the Permethrin year round. There seems to be a shortage of permethrin currently. I wear gloves, a respirator, and face shield when spraying. Good Luck, Rick
I’m so sorry. This infuriates me. I had to find a hospital that would listen to me about having two ticks on my back. I got treated relatively quickly but it still turned into a 9 week fight for survival. I can only imagine how I’d feel if my wife or kids were in peril.
@@derrickrr5516 You can treat your yard with a yard spray in the spring to kill the ticks for 3 months. It helps alot but, you have to use the protective gear. Good Luck, Rick
Two years ago I got sicker than a dog. After 10 days my wife took me to the Dr. On the way to the Dr I was thinking this is going to be a one way trip, I was so very sick. As soon as my Dr seen the bullseyes all over my body she knew I had lyme disease. A few days after the trip to the Dr I even got face paralysis. Please put the spray on. Northern Indiana
I hope you're doing better, sending good energy
People ask me what scares me in the outdoors. When I answer that it’s mosquitoes and ticks, they’re incredulous. Thanks for sharing this!! 🦑
In 2011 I got Ehrlichiosis. One month later I developed encephalitis and meningitis. Final diagnosis was Post Ehrlichia Meningoencephalitis. It was a 9 week ordeal involving four trips to the ER, two by ambulance, two hospital stays of five days or more, 36 hours in ICU, three MRI’s, three spinal taps and all the other fun things like multiple IV’s on every limb, suicidal headaches and vomiting 17 times a day. Ever since then I use Sawyer Permethrin but I’m always looking for something safer.
I know Brian and he has put a lot of time and research into this whole tick thing as it is such a problem in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. Plus he is a great guy. Definitely worth checking out.
The U.P. gets worse every year.
Awesome, I’ve never heard of Brian / tickTerminator.
I’ve used the farm grade permethrin ratio’d down for years.
Glad there is something safer!!
I've been using Sawyer Permethrin to treat clothing and hammocks/tents for more than 20 years and frequent the tick infested areas of Wisconsin and neighboring midwest states. Never had a tick attach, except once on the Nemekagon River when I walked barefoot across mowed grass to get from the river to the campsite (75 yds)- got 3 attached. Be careful with the farm grade insecticides. Some are dual purpose, and contain a toxic fly repellent too. I tried the permethrin concentrate from Farm and Fleet on my new hammock 10 years ago and thought I ruined it!. Smelled like WD-40 hanging for a week outside. The very fine print said, " contains petroleum distillates"- no wonder. Permethrin is also highly toxic to pollinators like bees, and also fish, aquatic reptiles, and some pets (as noted).
I just placed an order. Thanks for the information, I never would have known about the alternative to Sawyer.
Thanks for this info! I’ve been using the farm grade for years but the smell is off putting for sure and of course the worry of the strength of it. Love your videos, Jeremy.
You can also have Insect Shield apply permethrin to your favorite clothes. Good for 70 washes and very cost effective.
I’ve always been a big fan of permethrin use. Getting it cheaper & lasting longer sounds great. 👍
Great review. Looks like a great product
Great information! Thanks for sharing I will definitely order Brian’s product...working as a nurse and caring for patients with symptoms/side effects from the various diseases you mentioned is really heartbreaking...I’m out in the woods daily and I certainly want to keep ticks off me! Enjoyed the Arnold accent as well dude😂😂😂
Good info! I started using the Sawyer spray because the deet sprays were giving me headaches.
thank you! I got a tick borne disease twice and then starting using Permethrin.
Good to know. Thanks.
Great video. I will have to try this. Hope all is well. Crow✌️
Thanks, good info. 👍
Whenever I hear that something is FDA or government-approved, I think back to a farmer who told me of sitting in on a farm meeting one evening where a government guy who went around to farming areas in the 50s, told the audience of farmers that DDT was the thing to use as it was effective, safe, and government approved. To prove the point, he would dip a toothbrush in the DDT and brush his teeth...
Wow good to know! Thanks for all the great info man :)
We use the one from the horse aisle at TSC. We put it in a pressure sprayer and water it down. But when it's gone, I'll look at the other.
Thanks for the video. Just ordered 2 bottles of Duration. I'm waiting on my tic panel blood work now. Ugh.
I just bought permethrin coated clothing from rovince. Been sick for 6 months due to lyme disease.
My friends like to call me almost. That's awesome
I use the farm grade stuff, and mix it at 1% strength by the gallon. I then submerge my clothes the permethrin and let them get soaked through. Then I squeeze out the excess (squeeze - not wring!) and hang them to dry. Doing it this way I go a full year between treatments and never see any drop in effectiveness.
Curious. Squeeze and not wring. Why? Thank you.
@@MidwestBackpacker Because it leaves behind a larger amount of the permethrin to dry into the fibers of the cloth. Also, wringing in general is not good for cloth fibers.
Good info. Yep, farm grade no different than human grade. Just like farm grade "horse paste" ivermectin as acknowledged by Dr Piere Kory for covid.
the epa. will approve anything, if given enough money to say so.
Dont forget you can send your stuff into Insect Shield and they process it "institutionally" and lasts something like 6 times longer than the do it yourself spray on Sawyer permethrin.
Good post. Insect Shield actually uses something similar to what the Tick Terminator does, and if I understand correctly, they saturate the clothing in a misting chamber, then let it cure and dry. They say it lasts some 70 washes!
@PhilAndersonOutside Lol seriously? I soak my clothes in a 0.85% solution in a bin overnight, and let it drip dry. Thanks for this info!
Iron mountain. In Michigan's beautiful upper peninsula. Yah,eh😅
It probably matters what fabric you are treating and what it is coated with (DWR). Cotton probably holds on to it long. I treat cotton clothing once every couple years. I'm out almost weekly in ticket infested woods. My buddies treat there Nylon hiking pants 2 or 3 times a year and still get ticks more frequently than I. My hiking cloths are also white or light tan. I believe that helps too.
This is very interesting. I use Sawyers on my clothes and pack with great results.
The biggest hassle is reapplying every 6 weeks. It would be nice to only have to apply it a couple times a year.
Minor point. Getting free stuff is compensation.
I get the 30% from a store that sells to exterminators and follow the directions in the booklet and spray my clothing and I also use it in my yard where the dogs go and lay in he grass.
Honestly, I always just go to my local Vet (military) Surplus Store. They've got a bunch of mil-surp Permethrin for like $2 per 12oz aerosol can.
Hi there backpacker....super thanx for the info!!! is it also possible to drench clothing in a bucket instead of spraying?
Yes
Awesome advise. Stay crazy.
BEST THING IS NEEM OIL, IT'S NATURAL AND DEFINITELY WORKS, GREAT FOR THE SKIN TOO, I HAD SCABIES AND PUT NEEM ON MY BODY AND DESTROYED THOSE MITES AND THE EGGS, GREAT RESULTS FROM IT
Why the trees slanted
Does it work also for TSETSE flies and tics in Africa ?
🤷♂️
Ive definitely been mauled by mosquitoes in Massachusetts and New Hampshire
Do you have to worry about washing your clothes with permethrin on them with clothes that were touch your skin?
No
I have read numerous recommendations, instructing that treated clothes be washed separately. I wash separately in cold water and tumble dry on low or no heat. I'm not sure what the reasoning is for washing separately. A treated t-shirt is against your skin, just as underwear would be. Skin absorption of Permethrin is very poor, and it is poorly soluble in water. Sweat does not re-constitute dried Permethrin into a liquid form.
@@maggiewagmore8778 that’s a pain if I have to wash treat clothing separately. Didn’t even think of the possibility that sweat could reactivate the liquid form. Good to know it doesn’t.
@@maggiewagmore8778 Tumble drying treated clothing will reduce the life of the treatment. Apparently, the treatment is mechanically worn off by the tumbling action and the clothing surfaces rubbing against themselves. Its better to drip dry treated clothing.
Your Arnold impersonation sounds a lot like Dr. Doofenshmirtz ;)
And yet you apply wet in an enclosed area with no mask/protection???
Lack of common sense a product that kills ticks applying it with no mask and not a proper ventilated area. 😮
Wish I had known about this before I got lyme.
Interesting. Nice share... Now get to the Choppa!!! 😂
One downside to premethrin is that it effects fish reproduction. If you get it in water, it can mess with those ecosystems. It's still a useful repellent/pesticide (pretty sure it'll kill ticks outright), but if you're fishing or in a lot of water, be aware of the impact you may be having.
Why do they call you, “almost” ?
If you use duration How many washes do you get
It depends on how strong you mix it.
In Europe i cant order permethrin :( Only a permethrin for dogs available. I think this isnt safe because it contains: "Piperonil butoxid, emulsion A/G, nipasol"
There is a Sawyer Europe website. Have a Google.
Symptoms of detoxification process is not a disease.
Farm grade is likely more pure and because its for live animals, the inactive ingredients are likely just as safe. Chem ignorance and chem phobia cost people SO much money. Ban dihydrogen monoxide!!!! for real...
LoL all that terrible scary stuff but goes hiking anyway.
this guy got a free bottle, never even field tested the product, and did this whole video, ITS a commercial... just check the browser addon called sponsor skip
I don't see how one permethrin is different from another permethrin, how can one be safer than the other when they're both the same permethrin ?
It's definitely not any "safer", permethrin is permethrin. The only way it is any less harmful is in less concentration. I also question how they are able to sell it openly to the public when it is a restricted use pesticide. (I am clearly missing some detail that let's them do so, maybe concentration level etc.)
I don't think it's the permethrin, it's the carrier liquid that changes from industrial use to home use.
thanks for the tip! now share with us how you get your teeth so white? tia
Just ordered some and by time it gets delivered it will be 52 bucks 🤦♂️
4:09 I'm disappointed that you didn't show a plant doing something (planting) when you said you weren't a plant, after showing a cow mooing when you said you weren't a cow.
7:37 more missed opportunities. "I am not a doctor. I am not a scientist." We need video footage of these things after each disclaimer of the people and things you say you are not. How else will we know for sure? You set a precedent. So much disappointment here.
Other than that, good video. haha
Why not just spray repellent on your clothes and hat? It's probably better for the environment than Permethrin. Especially to pollinators.
I'm located in the upper Midwest too and I work and spend all my free time outside in it. I need insect repellent about 3 times a year. I've probably had one tick that actually bit me in the last 40 years. (a tiny Lone Star Tick)
Permethrin stays on clothes for a long time and bug spray washes off. Permethrin doesn’t replace bug spray. I use both when conditions require it.
DEET is notoriously bad for nylon and synthetic fabrics. It will wreck durable water repellency, and cause the membrane in GoreTex to become porous and ruin.
Lyme not Lymes...😊
Do you know how many things that the EPA says is OK ,that the rest of the world says hell no !
Alpha-Gal. Mammal meat allergy.
I stopped using permetherin when i found out it's extremely toxic to cats.
Only when it's wet. Once it's dry, it is fine for cats to be near anything treated.
This video is unfounded, EPA has nothing to do with your skin. It stands for the Environmental Protection Agency. This product is approved by the EPA because it has already been approved for use on some mammals. You just found a way to spend more money on the exact same product. I have an old nickel I have a new nicke. Apparently the new nickel is better and worth more because it's new
LOL,These days who trusts the EPA and doctors.
You should definitely protect yourself from ticks by taking your HCQ pills and horse dewormer, instead
@@sugarba1 I like the apple flavored the best, still got a couple dozen tubes, lol
Smart people
Any difference in the smell of his permethrin vs the sawyer or farm grade permethrin? The sawyer is tolerable. The farm grade 10% I get from Tractor Supply stinks by comparison.
Also,just wanted to note the auto captioning says "dick germinator" when you say "tick terminator" in an Austrian accent. Lol.
LOL. That's funny. The Duration has absolutely no smell. I couldn't believe it!
Mike look for Martin's brand, does not contain petroleum distillates, this is where the smell comes from. Martin's is water based and smell is minimal.
The "I am not a horse" canard is rather tired, discredited and outdated. First of all, ALL veterinarian medications are made in the very same factories, on the same lines and equipment, and to the same standards as those for humans. Some of the warnings have to do with dosages, and are perhaps warranted as far as the stupider people are concerned. This is mostly just gatekeeping. In many places in the world antibiotics are sold over the counter, so people don't have to resort to using vet products. Back on topic, the 10% permethrin is the very same stuff. "The other 90%" is just "inert ingredients", i.e. the solvent/carrier fluid that is required to contain the active ingredient, and it evaporates after application. We're talking about fabric treatment here, not ingestion or injection of it. So the advertised product being "safer" is purely imagined. But thank you for the tip, I'll give the farm version a spin.
P.S. how many people ingest stuff that is arguably not fit for human consumption, and with unknown ingredients, i.e. commercial hot dogs, bologna, oreo cookies, "non dairy creamer", all the products with soy, etc.
1 in 20 is 5% , not 0.5%
Introduced in 1973, permethrin has been around for 50 years. So not really recent. It is also approved by FDA in the USA for direct application to humans, so the side effects have been studied for acute use for lice and scabies:
Adverse Reactions
The following adverse drug reactions and incidences are derived from product labeling unless otherwise specified.
1% to 10%:
Dermatologic: Burning sensation of skin (≤10%), erythema of skin (≤2%), pruritus (7%), skin rash (≤2%), stinging of the skin (≤10%)
Nervous system: Numbness (≤2%), tingling of skin (≤2%)
Postmarketing:
Gastrointestinal: Abdominal pain, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting
Nervous system: Dizziness, headache
Miscellaneous: Fever
(From UptoDate 2023.06.14)
The original mix is .10.
@@MidwestBackpackerthen you should have added 1oz to 999oz of water to get 0.1%. If you wanted 0.5% you would add 1oz to 199oz of water. Either way that makes it significantly cheaper than any alternatives.
I can sell you some air approved for human breathing….$20 a bottle!
We’re all animals...I’ll stick with the farm grade. Same stuff. Research what chemicals go into making that Melly fabric your wearing if you want to worry about chemicals. Good advice though. Thanks for entertaining us Jeremy.
Side note. Duration does not have an odor.
@@MidwestBackpacker Neither does the farm-grade 10% Permethrin made by Martin's, which is available at farm supply stores. The smell is from petroleum distillates which the Martin's does not contain. But don't take my word for it....read the MSDS for it. I use it on clothes and gear. Stands up to repeated washings and I have no tick or chigger problems. I apply every 6 weeks or so. The Martin's also has instructions on mixing for application to dogs. And before anyone balks at the idea of spraying their dog with Permethrin, Sawyer markets a .5% solution for dogs, which is probably no different from their other products.
Generally agree. Just make sure you dilute it properly. If you are in a heavily infested bug area, just re-apply the Pemerthin more frequently than every six weeks.
10% mix is a very bad idea. The Military and Sawyer products uses .5% Permethrin mix for a reason, going higher than that concentration produces nasty health side effects on the skin, it's well documented. They recommend against treating underwear, even at .5% strength, for this reason, and every direction I've ever read recommends using Deet and not Permethrin directly on the skin. All that said, suggesting spraying 20 times higher than that at 10% without diluting it for the sake of convenience is a total facepalm. And the other 90% of the mix (farm version vs people version) is irrelevant, the Permethrin at 10% strength is bad for you no matter how you slice it.
If I'm doing the math correct on the Tick Terminator's "Duration" they are having you dilute it down to .625%. They definitely do NOT have you using it at full 10% strength!
My suspicion is that it's basically what's in Sawyer's product, just in a larger, concentrated volume.