Stagger-Stroke RIFF Picking! (all the power and speed without the fatigue)
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Going to be uploading a full playthrough of one of these 4 songs (to prove the technique's efficacy) but because of copyright I'll have to do it on a separate video. Keep an eye out for it.
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hi, I see you post lesson video's on your patreon page, but do you also present the opportunity for players to have regular live lessons, e.g. through skype or discord or whatever. Most guitar teachers in my neighbourhood are great guitarists but not specialised in the metal genre (in contrast to you). Thanks in advance.
Hey there, hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you still use or even have your Positive Grid Spark amp? Also, if you do have it and still use it, did you ever upload any of your custom effects settings to the Spark app?
Awesome Mike! Very good and inspiring 👍👍
The technique allows for both the upstroke and downstroke to be be used so there’s no wasted motion. When you just downstroke you’re wasting that upstroke. Cool benefit of this is it cuts your stroke speed in half, so you can play much faster. As a drummer we do a lot of similar things like the Heel/Toe Technique and the Push/Pull method. This grants us more speed and control with half the effort. For picking patterns you can try: (1. Down, Up, Down, Down/ Up, Down, Up, Up (2. Down, Down, Up, Down/ Up, Up, Down, Up (3. Down,Up, Down,Up/Up, Down, Up, Down. Those could be the straight 16th note patterns. But you could also try triplets. Just go through all the possible combinations, inversion, Variations and permutations. I know you know this Mike, I’m just passing this along to others. Cool video.👍
I say this with absolutely no exaggeration, hyperbole nor sarcasm.
Mike...you have changed my life with this video. From the bottom of my heart...thank you!!!!!
Awesome. Glad it's helping you out. :)
@@TheArtofGuitar Same with me, no cap!
Jason wrote the main riff for blackened, and I remember in an interview he said it was not all downpicking
Maybe not all downpicking the way he wrote it, but I’m pretty sure it’s how James played/plays it.
more fun downpicked
Jason was a good bassist and he got screwed. Metallica has been declining since Justice. Blackened is by far my favorite song on that album.
I've been playing this way for years , I learned it from Mustaine. I was learning "Washington is Next" and was struggling with the verse, i tried playing it alt. picking and it was so weird, but it was too fast for downpicking. Then i saw a live version and watched closely how dave played it , and it made a lot of sense to me , and then started paying closer attention to dave's right-hand and he pretty much played most riffs like that, and so did I.
I was just thinking this is a lot like how Dave would play these
This is what Dave calls « butterfly picking ». Kiko Loureiro explained that when Dave showed him how he actually plays his riffs , he was surprised how much he uses this technique and in a strategic way. Because with all downstroke it would be exhausting and furthermore some parts do not sound good. Kiko showed examples of this and with this lesson of the art of guitar everything makes sense now.
Seen James do this in a few live performances and decided to try it and it definitely changed the game for me but felt completely illegal 🤣
I just got Master Of Puppets on vinyl for Christmas too Mike 😅I hope you all had a great Christmas whoever's reading this
Same to U I got a set James Hatfield’s signiture emg pickups
Glad you had an awesome Christmas! I got guitar lessons and a DS-1 so I'm excited :)
You too sir
I got MoP on vinyl too, but mine had a scratch that goes over Battery, Puppets, and The Thing That Should Not Be
lucky you!!
If you grew up playing 2000's metalcore this technique is most likely a part of your arsenal already. Great video!
I was gonna say, I came up with this technique on my own trying to learn BFMV songs. When watching other YT guitarists like Nik Nocturnal, he does all downpicking for metalcore songs and I thought that seemed more "proper" which made me think my technique was just lazy. Good to know that's not the case lol
This is something we do unconsciously out of necessity when playing live. Good on you for showing the beginners and helping give them some more confidence!
you have to be one of the best CZcams teachers
very valuable information and you teach it in such a chill way, it almost feels like I'm having private lessons
Those stagger stroke patterns sound great! Awesome video!
🤘🏻🔥Congrats on 773k Subscribers! Love this! With those up strokes/ attacks it sounds even better, it adds to the song for me.
I've seen Adrian Smith play "Two Minutes To Midnight" exactly like that in his Guitar Center video. He also plays "The Number Of The Beast" and "The Wicker Man" like that. It sounds really good. I need to to work on that technique. At the moment I feel much more comfortable doing all downstrokes.
Finally I can play Metallica songs without my picking arm becoming a rock. Props to them for their endurance. It always amazed me. Thanks for such great content!
For decades. 2.5 hours at a time. Night after night. May the riff be with you.
I've been teaching this technique for more than 20 years to my students! Excellent to see you going over this on your channel.
This is perfect timing! I’ve stayed away from these songs for so long because they always seem out of reach but have started to learn Master of Puppets a couple of days ago and have been struggling with the down picking. This should be a big help!
Your tips on the downstrokes helped me a LOT! I'm 15 and I've been playing for two years and you're one of my inspirations since the beggining. Keep on, cause your videos are great!
This is a great video, thank you.....I started playing guitar only a few months ago again after several years of not playing at all and have found it somewhat challenging to get my picking chops up to tempo......this technique will help me indeed, I've tried it briefly playing thrash riffs and I've noticed a big difference with less fatigue and strain in my picking hand so thank you for this great tip
You do this right, you could get a whole new groove out of these songs. Love it.
That’s how I’ve been playing the MOP verse for a while. It’s amazing how much it helps to incorporate even just one upstroke into the pattern.
Love the Explorer man. That's one of my dream guitars. Sounds so dang good
Very excited to try out this technique! Thank you for another amazing video! Happy holidays! ❤
Great tips. Gonna applie those to my playing. You are really helping me out with your helpful videos as i'm still a beginner
Woaahh ive been rly trying to figure out how to this properly on creeping death for like a month! You posted this at the perfect time for me man thank u! I alrdy watched ur vids but never found one on specifically creeping death picking technique lol thanks!
I'm always learning something new from you Mike, thank you!
This! I've been saying for years that you can get the same attack with upstrokes if you use the right technique but never had a word for it! Thanks for sharing this info
I love this technique. These riffs sound great with the stagger stroke method.
This is such a cool picking method that it feels natural. Thanks for the awesome vid!!!!
Helped so much, getting over muscle problems so I don’t have as much power in my picking hand like I did a month ago. Had a couple gigs / studio apts coming up so now I feel like I can breath LOL
These kinds of stagger strokes have already been my go-to technique always for my particular style of playing. Feels nice to get validated in this way 😁 It's important your upstrokes have (nearly) the same attack as your downstrokes. Your wrist will develope immense precision and you will be able to sound as tight as clockworks doing either down or upstrokes. Props for distinguishing this from straight alternate picking!
Great tip on how to hold the pick for better attack on the upstrokes
love your videos man ❤
This is excellent and makes me actually want to take the time to learn ol' school Metallica riffs now! Thanks!
This has been my preferred method of picking metal for years. Good to see I'm not the only one!
Great lesson and beautiful guitar 👌
Might've been one of your lessons that said that playing the song at a faster tempo and then slowing it down makes your downpicking better andmore efficient. After warming up, I play Master almost as fast as I can and as long as I can. It kinda gets my hand in the right headspace and then I can really lock in an relax on the original song tempo.
That guitar looks and sounds incredible! Nice tip too. I've never been a die hard down picker, and just use the same style as your examples.
Great video - I’ve learnt creeping death recently and it’s been challenging!
I managed to compromise a little by using this kind of idea.
Sick man! Can’t wait to try this out!
Its funny how everytime i see a video from Mike i always think its some sort of old video i never saw, and then i see the date and its written ''2 days ago'' XD
i have to say though, i love your content they helped me a lot in my self taught journey
and to those who took the time to read that ; i wish you all a Merry Christmas
Great video. I've been implementing this technique since learning "The Art Of Shredding"
Excelente técnica. Gracias.
Sounds great. Beautiful guitar. I've had two Explorers in my life; a black and white Gibson like yours and a black ESP. Nowdays I have a Gibson SG. This video kinda lit the fire inside for a guitar like that. :)
Dude this is life changing. I’ll try it later when I have some time but I’ve been struggling with downpicking speed forever. The block is that I’m trying to go so fast my hand and pick just kind of vibrate and don’t go through the string. I also have this roadblock that I have to play a song the way they play it or it’s not correct (which is not true all the time!)
Great tips, I will try it out.
You explain it so well
I think this is a great tip, especially for playing these songs live.
I did this for years in my old band when we did Creeping Death and Master of Puppets. Not only did it keep my right arm looser, which helped when switching to lead work, but I was able to more smoothly work in gallops with some riffs too. I actually preferred the attack of the upstroke on a lot of stuff, especially the main Creeping Death riff which I played with a down-down-up pattern. That less muted upstroke really jumped out in the riff.
These sound great. In a mix you’d never know they weren’t all down picked. Well, except for the folks who can detect tone wood…
Great vid. Definitely gonna try this out.
I use this technique for the Four Horsemen. Upstroke after the galloping. Makes sense to use it for Creeping death to. Thanks Mike
Killer lesson! Ty!
Great vid thanks. If it sounds good it is good. Techniques like this can make the difference between somebody new carrying on playing or giving up and on that basis can only be a good thing.
Do this, replace alternate picking in solos for legato, whatever it takes to keep you interested and playing. Sure some CZcams viewers might notice, but playing in a live gig environment 99% won't notice if it sounds the same.
Thanks Mike.
I have to try this! Thx
The downside, of course, is you'll get snobby Metallica fans going "aAaAAaA u NO dO ALl DONWSTROCkS iM rEPROTING u tO ThE fBI"
Wow... it's going to take some practice for me to get used to, but I can already tell that it'll be worth it. Thanks! :D
Yo dude. Nice video. Can you make those guitarist technique videos again? They are the best!
I had stumbled across this approach for the Creeping Death main riff, but then always fell behind on the 8 downstrokes on the F#. Oh, and of course the shame of my weak downstroke game. 😂 Awesome video, Mike! Will definitely work on developing this technique more now.
I do this stagger picking as well, going WAY back.
Most of the all down pickers do the first two strokes
away from and into the plane of the strings, and the third stroke starting from within the the plane of the strings to away from the plain of the strings. This takes a little while to get down, maybe a few days, but it really reduces tension and it's still all downpicking.
I've been playing like this instinctually since I started playing and it really bothered me when I learned about the "correct" way of playing this style. I tend to get more feel when I play "stagger-stroke." It's cool to see a more technically knowledgeable player than myself explain this method. Great video! Keep it up!
I used to practice downstrokes a lot. So much so, that I'd only play those same three songs actually for hours.
What I found out: the constant practice helped me condition my arm to get endurance. You need to be conservative with your stroke movements (let the amp sound out the power, instead of forcing it with your picking; stay in a tight box. No large movements). Lastly, practice with their live versions of the songs (during their peak like ~89-91 where they played all their songs stupidly faster).
Also thicker strings & picks helps with getting that beefier sound
Very VERY cool dude! 🤘🏻🤘🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Interesting idea, though I hate how it feels LOL My solution to downstroke fatigue is to do something similar to what Yngwie does--as soon as my wrist gets tired or a bit tense I switch to picking with my thumb, and then once that gets fatigued I transition back to the wrist. This allows me to utilize different muscles and alternate to maintain attack and energy throughout the song. This was the technique I used to play Master of Puppets up to speed all the way through for the first time. Give it a try!
never been this early thanks for the lesson mike 🙏
This techniques are brilliant!!!!!😳😳🤩🤩👏👏👏
I actually figured this out pretty early in my guitar playing, luckily - I've literally been playing all of these riffs exactly this way for years :D Particularly I think this technique shines on the second riff of Puppets, the double-downstroke keeps you in time but the upstroke gives your arm/wrist a little bit of a break.
For anyone struggling with implementing this - as mentioned in the video, really focus on accenting the upstrokes, more than you would otherwise. The idea is to make every stroke sound exactly the same.
Nice video!
Man I wish I lived in Minnesota and you were still teaching lol. But I’m old and live in ga . Haha great video mike.
Great stuff man! it does help, I think the acid test would be the opening riff to disposable heroes and the riff after the 2nd chorus in sanitarium, thats 10-14 open E strings in a row! I'm curious to see how you'd arrange that. I've found that this technique sounds best if it opens and closes with 2 consecutive downstrokes. The alternate picked notes don't stick out that much when they're in between
Love your videos man! I try to watch em all! You always have a great tone with this Explorer for these Metallica songs. What are the pickups? Are they still the stock Gibson 500T/496R combo?
My wrist gets tired pretty quick when I was downpicking this could be helpful thanks for the video.
Interesting!
I'm generally a down-stroke purest just cuz I really enjoy it, but gonna give this technique a shot definitely!
this is how ive picked mop for the longest time. spider riff upstroke on the a string
I have practiced this today only with the Creeping Death riff; it works well for me when there are E-pedal notes alternating with notes on the A and D strings.
However, towards the end of the riff when you are chugging those 8 notes on the second fret of the E string, plain alternate picking feels easier (to me).
If you want the ultimate downstroke challenge try the verse of 'Time to kill' by Overkill.. so fast I think even Hetfield would have to practice! 🤘
I love the satisfied smirk (no disrespect) at 7:40 after you show how literally nothing is lost with "Master..." using your picking technique.
That seems to be really versatile
good video
Your tone is pretty gnar! What are ya running through in this vid?
I wonder how many of us do it this way? When I was young I could actually keep up, somewhere along the way I started doing this. Personally though I choke up on the pick and go for a straighter angle than I usually use. I do get accidental pinch harmonics sometimes, but it usually fits in. so there's that. lol
I didn't have a name for it, but I have played all those riffs with this technique for ages.
Great tips! I prefer the pain of only downpicking!
My guy is spitting bars with that title
Nice.
I think the key is to try and make it musical by making the upstrokes a part of the phrasing. Definitely food for thought. Thank you!
You are a genius!!! :O
Enjoy your videos. I'm thinking about taking your beginners course. Do you think an Epiphone es339 would be a good beginners guitar. Thanks
I started doing this out of necessity hahah. I started doing this learning Lamb of God riffs and it gives riffs that are downpicked a bouncy, yet tight sound
i clicked a ben eller video after this one and realized that you never as for likes, subscribes or patreon support. and you dont have in-video ads (where you promote the product yourself). thats really cool and i appreciate that. i do think you should tell us your name regularly, or have a goofy name badge graphic at the bottom corner for the first 10 seconds of a video.. i think its mike? thanks mike!
Thanks for noticing. I'm about to do a video about why this is. P.S. I do put a quick text on screen about subscribing but it's just like 3 seconds. ;)
Ted Nugent uses the small corners of the pic, so that you don't have to move the pic as much. It actually works, but pinch harmonics become way too easy then.
pinch harmonics becoming way too easy sounds like a bonus.
I am sold on this. It sounds amazingly good and even more rhytmical than pure downstrokes. With regular practice I can play comfortably downstrokes at about 190 BPM. Downstrokes at 200 BPM is already my top limit and anything above that tempo is just unplayable for me.
Yeah I stumbled across this technique by accident (or necessity lol) years ago. If you see James' live performances throughout the years you can pick up these little "cheats" he does to get through shows. He also does these pick attacks that aren't strokes, his fingers look like a telegraph that just go up and down, or like a car suspension on rocky terrain.
Thank you for helping us not break our wrist by down picking
WOW genius
I've played a while, and even in two note power chords there's still a sound and vibe difference between and up and down strokes. If you play a Bo Diddley beat with all down strokes, it's going to sound a lot different.
Freaky but I was just looking online yesterday at that guitar to possibly purchase. Can't find much online review wise. Would you recommend? Sounds great.
Been doing this for ages, I thought I was the only one
how did you get that amazing tone?
i used to play those riffs until my forearm felt like it was on fire, but i also used to work doing a lot of sanding, and then practice on an accoustic, blood blood everywhere, so metal
Dimebag used upstrokes to highlight the accents, and to reduce fatigue. Especially on the intro to Cowboys from Hell.
Dimebag uses this alot especially in songs like cowboys from hell. You can see it in his ozzfest2000 live video
.....well, that's just great. It sounds really good with that style of picking. And it looks less tiring. But my right hand can only down stroke... damn you, Hetfield.