Fad or Future? Is this the Future of the Trumpet?
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- Fad or Future? Is the future of the trumpet going to have 4 valves? What do you think?
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In this video I test out the Stomvi Titan 4 valve cornet. Check it out to hear my thoughts.
Do you see 4 valves as the future of the trumpet family?
So the question is Fad or Future? What do you think the future of the trumpet family will look like? leave a comment below.
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As a low brass player I really appreciate fourth valves (or F attachments) on brass instruments, but I never really understood it on trumpets, since you almost never play in that low range and it kinda just doesn't usually sound good. One place I could see it sounding good though is on a flugelhorn, and I think four valve flugels have a possibility of being more standard, granted tho, that's a niche of a niche.
Interesting statement, I don't totally disagree. I believe the trumpet sound is especially beautiful in the top of the staff and a little above. But there are quite a few composers who have written in the "pedal" register. Strauss, Wagner and Bizet are frequently down there. The 4th valve makes it much easier to achieve.
Lovely solo. It's good to be reminded how beautiful the cornet can sound. Smart looking cornet too
There are Stomvi Titán 4 valves B and C trumpets.
Great instruments!
Great teacher Perfect explanation and example of the use for the 4 valves
Thanks oldtimedrumcorps glad you like the video.
lovely playing..
Thanks Karl
The sound below depends on your training.
But it's a very nice tone.
Bill Houghton, BBC Symphony 1st trumpet, used a V Bach C trumpet with a rotary valve extension on the 3rd valve 30 years ago ! This valve made it possible to play down to D one octave below the stave. 45 years ago Howard Snell (London Symphony Orchestra) and R Schilke developed the 4 valve Eb trumpet that is widely used today in the UK.
you can see Bill using this trumpet here on CZcams in 'trumpet player disagrees with Bernstein'
Ive seen that clip many times and hadnt noticed the 4ve trumpet. I was probably distracted by something lol
I think a 4 valve C trumpet would be great for an (American who only uses a C) orchestral player to be able to play occasional stuff like Carmen and ein heldenleiben when needed, or just those low 3rd parts that a C trumpet can’t play so the whole section can match on Cs. But the fourth valve has to affect the sound/playability for better or worse in some way compared to a normal trumpet, so I don’t see it replacing the 3 valve trumpet. It would be fun for those repetitive pieces... every repeat you could mess with some gnarly alternate fingerings haha
It’s funny you should recommend this. Stomvi have a 4 valve C trumpet out. It looks amazing!!! Pacho Flores new album uses it. I’d love to check that out too.
I’ve ordered the 4 valve Bb trumpet. Should be here soon. I’ll update you on how that when I get it.
Bill Houghton BBC 1st trumpet played C trumpet for years with a rotary valve extension on the 3rd slide. Worked perfectly. See Bernstein BBC Elgar
see 'trumpet player disagrees with Bernstein'.
This is a hilarious clip. One of my favourites for a laugh. There is also Bernstein gets angry with a tenor. You can feel the tension in the room even watching the video 😂
@@PhillONeillTrumpet not so funny, however, if you have the misfortune to be the subject of his bullying. Nasty man.
Watch this video in CZcams for many explanations concerning the 4-valve-flugelhorn: Vierventiliges Flügelhorn Grundlagen / flugelhorn with 4 valves - fundamentals With English subtitle.
Thanks for the review Phill. Beautiful playing as always. Will you review more four valve horns, maybe the Bb Trumpet and the Flugelhorn?
Hi Trumpet Dad,
I think I'll wait to see if this is a popular video before making another 4 valve instrument review.
I guess if this video gets 1000 likes the 4 valve trumpet review will come next :D
I love that that horn is a cornet
Its a very cool instrument. I have the 4ve Trumpet now and I love it!
@@PhillONeillTrumpet but.... is a cornet...
Yes this is a cornet
Please post a recording of you doing the last post/rouse/reveille on Anzac day plz.
Hi Jacques,
Check out this recording from 2018 ANZAC day performance.
czcams.com/video/N-gYzSl_fGk/video.html
Sounds great, as always, Phil.
Since you asked, my personal opinion is that a 4th valve on a cornet or trumpet is not especially valuable. I think it's more appropriate on a flugelhorn, where pedal C and a few notes below it lock-in more naturally. That said, I only occasionally play my 4-valve flugel, greatly preferring its 3-valve brother for almost all occasions.
Great to hear from you Gary.
What make is your flugel?
@@PhillONeillTrumpet My 4-valve flugel is a Getzen that Dad bought new in 1978 from Bob Giardinelli. It plays nicely with good intonation from about F (top of the stave) down to the pedal tones, but above that, it's a horrible beast to play.
My preferred flugel is my Yamaha YFH-631G, which plays easily above the stave but the intonation gets really patchy.
I remember playing one of those getzen flugels back in uni. I remember it being a challenge with the intonation. With technology constantly improving horns are now better than ever.
@@PhillONeillTrumpet Absolutely.
Has a very open, clear and beautiful tone in your hands. Every note slots nicely with no extra fluffiness that some cornet players thinks is part of the expressive nature of the instrument. I much prefer this clear and full tone. The tone on the low register using the 4th valve really only works to the E or Eb would you agree? More effective on the 4 valve flugels overall.
killer articulation!!!!!!
Yeah I agree with the sound below “pedal” E. I think it could be user error at this stage and more practice would improve that ;).
@@PhillONeillTrumpet I think it might be that the instrument just isn't big enough to produce a better sound, unlike the flugel horn. I am sure it would get better over time as you get use to it, but more importantly is the way it responds when you first play it.
For better tuning, there are on Stomvi site some info about that. Check out on Flugelhorn 4 valves.
It’s probably not the future of trumpet… because it’s a cornet.
Awesome video though… beautiful sound.
Hi Phil, great demos work. Can you demonstrate better, please, the 1rst valve slide trigger ? I assume that have a “link connection” to tuning slide too, isn’t ? The 3rd valve slide are like stomvi trumpet or flugel 4 valves system. Just asking because of lower register’s intonation and sound. Stomvi brand don’t demonstrate this and seams to forget the practical real thing. This 4 valves horns need more compensation on lower notes. Without triggers or slides it’s a mistake (from Stomvi). Like Flugelhorn, the extra 4 valve in E Works really better. The positions are different from Piccolo. So, that’s my asks and point of view.
Hi Nuno,
This is a valid point. I will need to make another video to answer some of these questions but will give a go in words :P.
There is no 1st valve slide Trigger or finger ring. The trigger I control with my left thumb is connected to the main tuning slide and moves the main tuning slide.
The 3rd valve slide does have a ring to move the slide in and out just like on my normal 3 valve trumpet.
Phill O'Neill thank you !!!
excellent. great tone! that cornet obviates the need for a flugel.
I’m not quite so sure if that but if i didn’t have a flugel and it was a solo part I would give it a go.
I play flugel. That doesn't sound like a flugel.
4 Valve Trumpets are still common.
I’m not sure if they’re common. I dont see a lot of my colleagues playing them at this stage. Stomvi seem to be selling enough 4ve trumpets for them to become more common though. I recommend you check them out.
Not the future, but an extension to one's arsenal of horns, in one's collection, 4 rotary valve horns, have been around.........
What mouthpiece are you using?
Hi Pat,
This is a Dennis Wick 4 1/2.
Thanks Phill, thanks for taking the time to reply. I like the Denis Wick cornet mouthpieces too. I bought a stomvi classica trumpet recently and didn’t like the stomvi mouthpiece at all.
I use the Stomvi 1 &1/4 C in my trumpets. It has been working fine for me the last couple of years.
I can't see good arguments to use a trumpet with 4 valves to play an orchestral repertoire for example. We don't need it. Buy a very expensive trumpet just to play Carmen from Bizet? It is not a good idea in my opinion.
But, if you want to adapt other concerts from other instruments to play in a trumpet with 4 valves, like Sergei Nakariakov playing Haydn//Gliere/Mozart or Adam Rapa playing Weber, it's totally acceptable. I see it as a development of soloist career.
To sum up, I think that there are no motives to use 4 valves for orchestral repertoire, but in a soloist career and modern pieces it makes sense.
Hi Renan,
I can totally see your argument here. There is a lot more orchestral repertoire that uses the pedal register than people realise.
Strauss, Mahler, Bizet and Berg are all composers who have used the pedal register in pieces I have played or learned the excerpts (which have pedals) for.
Apparently section parts in many operas also use the pedal register. I havent played them but friends who play those parts regularly tell me its the case.
Sorry but it seems more of a niche instrument. Few of us will want one and fewer still will ever need this horn. I didn't care for the sound below low Eb and if it doesn't sound that great in your hands what chance will the rest of us have at doing any better.
There’s no need to be Sorry Carleton.
I thought this would be an interesting topic to review and see what people like yourself thought of it.
Thanks for sharing your feelings.
If composers start writing for the four valve, then I can see a strong market developing for it among players. Jazz players, on the other hand, might like it for extending the range of the instrument.
Composers have been writing in the 4th valve register since the romantic period. Strauss, Bizet, Mahler all have excerpts that use the 4th valve. It is becoming more popular now days thanks to the work of players like Sergey Nakariakov and Pacho Flores.