Drilling a hole in your valve ON PURPOSE? - Vented Valves for Trumpet Players
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- In this week's video I break down what a vented valve actually is, why it's useful for trumpet players, and what to consider when deciding if you should get one or not.
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Links for the excellent brass technicians mentioned in the video -
Charlie Melk - www.charliesbrassworks.com/
Osmun - osmun.com/
Rich Ita - www.brassinstrumentworkshop.com/
Josh Landress - www.jlandressbrass.com/
Mike Del Quadro - dqscustomshop.com/
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My gear:
Yamaha Chicago II Bb / Parke 640-280-24 with Parke 240-24 backbore
Yamaha Chicago II C / Parke 640-280-24 Orchestral
Weimann "Passion" C Rotary Trumpet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn
Getzen 700S Bb Trumpet
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Thanks Jon! I thought my 1980s Bach C just had 'bad compression' and was wondering if it was a problem (even though it seemed fine), but lo and behold, the 3rd valve has been vented by a previous owner!
I have a B&S Challenger JBX that comes standards with vented valves and I love it. I just bought a Yamaha horn without it and immediately missed my vented valves
I really love them. Even since this video I've vented a lot more valves - including the first valves on my Bb, C, G/F, and Bb/A piccolo... once you've felt the benefits it's hard to go without!
Never herd about the vented valv. Very nice vid!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it and learned something new!
@@JonTalksTrumpet sure did!
Why all trumpets didn't come with vented valves already? Seems too good, can't understand why they don't do that.
That’s a great question. I think probably many players would find it surprising and immediately drop their slides on the ground without a retainer mechanism of some kind. It’s sort of like why pitchfinders aren’t an option… not popular enough for there to be any premade with that customization. Hope you’re well, thanks for watching and commenting!
saw caleb hudson do this. my bach 3rd slide spit thingy has been really getting on my nerves. I never put any grease or oil on it and it still moves! I had a little hair band on it for a while, but it was starting to damage my finish
Hey john will you make a video on the pitch finder customization?
Yes, absolutely! :)
Thanks
Glad you found this video useful!
You sort of answered it a little bit but what is your opinion on 1st and 3rd valve triggers rather than rings? When I played cornet in our local brass band I really loved it. It seems relatively standard on cornets but I’ve noticed that modern trumpets stay away from it. I also know that the hand has greater muscles for the motion of gripping rather than pushing out. As someone who has smaller hands and difficulty triggering fully for low F would getting triggers added to my trumpet be beneficial or would this introduce new issues that I hadn’t thought of?
Triggers are tricky. I always prefer regular saddles because it gives you extremely fine control and doesn’t require actual grip strength like a trigger. Triggers also have a linkage or two and so there are more parts to get stuck or slow down. My BIGGEST pet peeve with triggers is when you depress them, the slide goes out, and then you let go and the trigger gets stuck in the out position. Then you have to literally take your hand off the instrument to fix it… of course proper maintenance can prevent that but many people (myself included) don’t lubricate their instruments *that* frequently. So… saddles when possible but certain things need a trigger for ergonomics.
In my experience, the most awkward/problematic valve combos are upward-starting trills: low-C-C# (0 - 123 - 0 - 123), low-Eb-F (23 - 1 - 23 - 1), Ab-Bb (23 - 1 - 23 - 1) C-D (0 - 1 - 0 - 1) 4th space Eb-F (2 - 1 - 2 - 1) and 5th line F#-G# (3 - 23 - 3 - 23) - and of all these, bot the low-C-C# (0 - 123 - 0 - 123) and C-D(0 - 1 - 0 - 1) trills seems to be the most awkward to execute quickly and smoothly without clamming (going repeated from low C-C# I actually feel that slamming pressure going between the notes). After viewing your excellent video I am wondering if the embouchure disturbances from opening a pressurized piston that you speak about could be the culprit here, and perhaps even exacerbated by the fact that in exerting a constant wind pressure you are also repressurizing the piston that is being closed and thus exacerbating this embouchure perturbation by repeated the same opening/depressurizing - closing/repressurizing movement combination. (quite a mouthful, but I think you will probably get what I am saying given your technical understanding) So with that in mind, I am wondering, do you feel that the above-mentioned transitions go smoother/cleaner with vented valves?
The vented valve will help with the initial depressurization when adjusting the valve slide length when changing pitches. So for The 23-1 trills won’t really be effected much because I don’t bring out my third slide for that, but for any trills or scales with 13 or 123, where the third slide length is being changed quickly on the fly, the venting will relieve the pop from lengthening the slide length.
Hi Josh,
I like the modification of the trumpets.
Have you tried MAW valves and have an opinion?
There is a topic for the next video...??? :-)
Greetings
Thanks, Jakub! I have never tried MAW valves but am familiar with them - great suggestion, will go on my list of future video ideas!
I wonder if horn makers would consider offering an additional vented 3rd valve? I imagine that there would be times that I'd want it and times when I wouldn't want it.
That *could* work - there are 2 practical hurdles though, one being that the two pistons would not have identical “fit” in the casing so they may not play the same beyond the venting status, and two being that I’m not sure how you store an extra piston without it gathering lint and being exposed to microscopic dents that may effect the performance of the piston when you do install it for your perfect valve vent scenario.
Is that the original main tuning slide on your Bb? The plating looks newer.
Good eye! It is actually a much newer slide I only recently got from Yamaha, a Gen III Chicago tuning slide. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get my pitchfinder attached to the new slide yet, but hopefully will soon!
nerd-no , educational-yes !
It's not the valve that wears down, it's usually the casing being made of soft brass. Which would require plating the valves with nickel or in my case in the past the manufacturer made be a new oversized piston then lapped it in.
crispy sned 3!!!
Thanks, man! Gotta keep those low Fs honking.
Gee. Let’s take a drill to my brand new Bach
Valve is sus
Piston is imposter
Five years is nothing, don't vent valves. I've been repairing for 40 years.