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- Kaleidescape EVEN BETTER with SSD Drives at CEDIA 2023!
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It might be cheaper to buy all the movies on 4k 😉
It's a great product. Unfortunately, even its base price is still out of the range of the average home theater enthusiast.
Great product but still don’t quite understand the point of this for masses
Its honestly not a great product, hard drive crashes and your held hostage
@@dempsey3Could say the same thing about blu ray players, TVs, streaming services etc. None of them are any good when they breakdown. Most installations are done by high end specialists that will call out promptly should anything go wrong. It’s a fantastic product but there isn’t a huge difference between playback from a 4k disc and this. Law of diminishing returns means this is squarely aimed at those with f u money.
@@harrytejIt’s not intended for the masses hence the crazy crazy price point. I think it was explored but the numbers didn’t add up so they focused on the mega minted. What I don’t get is why a major electronics company like Sony hasn’t tried offering something similar for the masses.
@@enigmatwist6548 i guess you dont know how it works , when your bluray player dies you dont lose your movies , they are still on the shelf , when you KScape fails you lose your movies , they are not on your shelf
I do not know what kind of spinning disks they are using and raid level, but 2.5G Ethernet maxes out at about 270 MB/s and that should spinning disks in good raid almost saturate. And in no way possible SSD disks can never make your Internet faster and affect download speed. Sure you can have 2.5 (not that common, more common with 10Gbit/s) but most people have 1 Gigabit/s max at home. And SSD disks really shines with small random read and write, to read or write one big file i would say it is not necessary. The only thing SSD would be better in this case, is for failure rate that is a lot more reliable then spinning disks. But a total waste of money for any capacity for what it does.
Yeah, there was a lot of straight BS or misleading "info" in this video.
Exactly. My disc drives keep up just fine over my Ethernet with full lossless rips. Sure, the media wall takes a second to load but I'm patient.
@@mephInc Yeah if i was designing something like this i would put the database and everything like thumbnail pictures and so on, on a small nvme drive with the os aswell. Lightning fast to load and startup, and fast gui and information/pictures. And you can get one small enough for 50$ that will kick any SSD sata drives ass. As i said a total waste, but people buying this do not care, and might not be in the know how.
@@christofferjonsson
I could do that but I have several media players and one server. I'm honestly just to lazy to update all of them individually vs one list on the server.
Exactly what I came to say. I feel like they did this solely for marketing and higher steaming count. Most people aren’t using 25 TVs on 1 device, it’s just unnecessary for the added cost of going SSD.
I really like Kaleidescape but that price is a bit much for me, still really cool seeing what it can do
Its not the price , its the attitude of the company, Ive owned one and believe me when your drive crashes its a pain in the ass , its a terrible company that holds you hostage,I hate the product, physical media for the win
A drive in my terra crashed, and support sent me a new drive out the next day. What happened in your case that gave you such a bad experience?
Cedia looked cool in the background. Next time Michael can you do a walk around so we can get a vibe for the event overall?
I did that last year - czcams.com/video/AD3Pmus7jew/video.htmlsi=3cjZm_4uPrrZDbAS
Great video Michael.
I still don't understand why there isn't a combo player and server.
But would be perfect for a cost no object home theater!
I would love that as well.
Nice product. But I’ll stick with my HTPC/ newsgroup/rune combo.
I am eagerly awaiting your video on Jaymar Dbox seats.
These look like amazing devices however HTPC owners have had this type of system for over 10 years now. You just had to rip your discs in a full bitrate format. They do have some cool features added like scene favorites, etc... unfortunately its just not cost effective for most people to buy one.
The intended customer is one that is not going to buy a uhd blu-Ray and put it on their server and play it back over a media player. Granted that’s a lot of work but it can save money if you want to do the labor. Kaleidoscope is great if that’s not your thing. Frankly I need a lot more storage than what kaleidoscope can provide as I’m up to 40 TBs on my mkv server and 15 TB on the iso server.
@@cbmore28 There is a middleway as i do, you buy the media, and download the remux (might be unlwaful depending on where you live). No work ripping the disks, and if you have the know how and good internet it is very smooth. And you can watch while you download.
2 easy reasons they won’t come down in price.
1. The expense it costs them for the studio masters.
2. They want to cater to the customers that can afford them and don’t care about the cost so they won’t try and crack the encryption.
the people who do the actual cracking, making the software not just running it, do it for the challenge and are also quite smart so they prolly have a job that pays them well enough to afford these. i would not be surprised if rips from these start becoming a thing if the quality increase if what is promised.
@@niklasxl One problem they have (probably studio agreement, and copyright laws) is that they are not available in Europe (afaik). And no media is lossless not even the movies they show in cinema. A complete raw 4k movie would eat up many many TBs.
@@christofferjonsson lossless compression by definition has enough entropy to perfectly recreate the uncompressed file it contains. but yes the bitrate of it is lowered when rendering it to enable it to fit the media format (bluray , dvd, streaming , theater), more so for for home releases compared to theater releases yes. Distributing a film in RAW would be dumb because there is a lot of redundant data frame to frame, think of a scene where the camera is stationary and only a actor is moving, most of the pixels here are the same frame to frame or change very little and this is what a lossless compression algorithm takes advantage of. you might be confused with lossy compression and the fact that studios have to intentionally decrease the bitrate to fit the current formats. But yes i also think that we need a format for deliverable files to be larger then now and being able to get the same files the theaters get would be nice but i guess the theaters dont want that at all to keep people going to the cinema.
@@christofferjonsson They were careful to say lossless audio... it's the same Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio lossless compressed tracks that are on Blu-ray discs.
Heck yeah
until Kaleidescape goes under all the movies you bought are no more... rip your own disks and create a server ... your in control of your media
Very cool to see them release new hardware. I was hoping to see a new player with HDR10+/Dolby Vision support. I'm also hoping for a new entry level line that's more affordable, fingers crossed at some point.
They would probably have to pay more for a Dolby Vision mezzanine file and then go through and replace the HDR10 only files on their servers. That's one of the things that bug me on their pricing. 4k Blu-ray has more HDR features and it costs less. Then they would have to have a licensing agreement with Dolby Labs on new DV hardware.
@@Rebel6274 KScape is playing this game because they have decided to only go after the well healed clients who may not be tech savvy. The rich think things that are "affordable to the masses" must have something wrong with them.
I need to do more Overtime lol... AWEsome!!!
When will Kaleidescape be available outside US? I living in Brazil and wish I had a equipment like that.
It has to do with the studio agreements, DRM, and their piracy concerns.
As huge as my film library is, something like this would come in handy - price notwithstanding, LOL!
The video is very, very close to a Blu-ray disc unless something got horrendously botched on the disc mastering side of things (even KScape compression can sometimes show pixelation if their encoding wasn't QC'd well). 4k Blu-ray discs can have Dolby Vision, where KScape does not support DV. The lossless audio is EXACTLY the same as a Blu-ray disc, so YES there is something that can compete with KScape and costs less. If it's a badly done near-field soundtrack mix or audio encode on disc, the KScape version will have the same issues.
Hey Michael 😊
I don’t mind playing the price for the player, but the storage is ridiculous. I can buy a 4tb m.2 SSD for like 300 bucks. They charge way to much for the storage capacity.
And even if you have that movie you have to pay twice. What a bargain :D
I know it would be nice if they had a way you could upload your own disk to the device.
I really want one but the storage capacity price and the fact you can’t upload your own disk to it are holding me off from it.
I’m not trying to simp for kscape but I’m pretty sure the Terra’s price is accounting for whatever hardware/software level DRM is in those things. You have to understand Warner Bros. letting people DOWNLOAD FULL LOSSLESS QUALITY movies to storage that’s inside your own home is probably very concerning for them. The security has to be top notch.
I’m not justifying the price, I will never be able to afford these likely. Just trying to explain why I think it’s the price it is.
Nice product but way, way to expensive not to mention you have to pay to get your movie loaded on there. Sometimes you get a deal like five dollars for a download for your movie but other times you pay full price for a movie you already bought. To get this and a Trinove your paying over 40k. Yikes
I'm hoping these become more affordable in a couple years for the broke mofo's like me that need to scrape the popcorn from the bottom of a garbage pale to watch movies
Not likely to happen until they have competition unfortunately
It's the Trinnov of media streamers. Not many can afford a $30,000 processor, that's why there's Denon etc. The average consumer alternatives to Kaleidescape are the Fire Stick and Apple TV.
@@maya_coqsalonga And without the Internet, ripping Blu-Ray movies to hard drive or SSD would be a way to go but that would be violating DMCA even for personal use.
@@graysonpeddie
It's your personal collection that you paid for. What you do with it is up to you. Millions of people rip their media. Unless you are selling it, it's not a problem.
HTPC >
They need to make it affordable.....
They decided to only market to the jet setters. Their files often cost more than a disc, but they do not support Dolby Vision encoding.
I don’t have a Kaleidescape but I’m not complaining about their pricing.
Youthman! I love your work! I am wanting to sell my PC-2000 PRO to get the new Klipsch RP subwoofers. SVS is ok. It just doesn’t do it for me. Klipsch has always has my heart. What do you think? Is it a good investment (especially long term.) and are you or anyone looking for a SVS PC-2000 PRO? Thank you so much for your time! I appreciate the hard work you are putting into our outstanding channel. Much love brother
We had the RP-1600SW in a blind comparison at MWAVE and it did extremely well!
@@Youthman I had the R-12SW and it lasted a year, then I had the KD-10SW + the R-120SW and lasted not even a day. So I went with SVS. I got two SB 2000 PROS and we’re absolutely horrible. Then for some reason I go let’s get SVS again there’s no way this is bad. So I go with the SVS PC-2000 PRO and it’s alright. Some moments blows you away. Others complete meh. It just did not pressurize my room like the R-12SW did. I just wish that the Klipsch got DEEP, LOUD, with no muddyness or too bassy if that makes sense. And now I think the RP series from Klipsch dose all of that and sounds like that they fixed their subwoofers. Their manager, Jeremy McWilliams. Is beyond a horrible manager. Three of my Klipsch subs went out and they blamed it on me and he said it’s highly unlikely that the 3 different models of our subwoofers would go out. They refuse to refund, or replace which is what I want is a replacement, they lost my R-610F floor standing speakers because it had a chip in it. Customer service horrible. But I love the products. I think many can vouch for me and say that Klipsch subwoofers kinda sucked. Thank you so much for your reply. I hope to sell this PC-2000 PRO if you have any recommendations on selling please let me know. This would be my first time selling anything. Thank you, Youthman. God Bless.
The price neeeeed,s too be low
I don’t control the price.
@@Youthman no you don,t
I think these things are incredible and wish i had the income and disposable funds to afford one. But, i know I'll catch flack for this, do people who can afford to drop $8000 at a minimum to just get your foot in the door and going through the roof from there really worry about repurchasing a few must have movies that it made it necessary to talk about like it is a deal breaker? That is like buying a Bugatti Chiron and saying I can't drive it because I don't have gas money.
Why the limitation to only 4 servers? What if I wanted to buy their entire library of 14k movies?
You’ll have to ask them.
This doesn't make sense why do you need ssd on your server. Do the players have temporary storage or are you streaming from the server? If you're streaming from the server 2.5Gbps is not enough for 25 4k streams
Also isn't Plex lossless audio with bitstreaming?
I like the idea of video downloads on demand with the slow steady death of physical media but I'm not sure everything they are selling with it is necessary
It's a download to the server. No streaming. Since downloading ssd allows faster write speeds than hard drive
@@jonathanrowe5896 read the other comment from cristofferjonsonn ssd are not necessary if your server is set up correctly. And you are streaming just locally and not from the internet
i’ll keep my hi fi VCR.😂
50,000
8k coming at some point
There is barely native 4k content. You really think true 8k is going to be a thing? I've seen the demos. You need a HUGE screen to see the difference compared to a quality true 4k image.
Ahhm not to pry. But the K-scape version of a movie is not reference scale. It´s a downgraded version from the DCP that is provided to movie theaters. The movie theaters get the reference quality, K-scape users don´t. I really like Ryan Charpentiers summary on the K-scape. Saying that if You buy the K-scape expecting better quality video and audio, You´ll be dissapointed. You buy it for the user interface and the ease of use. He made that statement on one og the Youtman livestreams. The size of the videofiles on the K-scape compared to Blu-ray is really minute from what I hear. Then again, there is a market for it. I´m just happy my Shield Pro is providing 99% of the quality of a prestige priced product 🥰
@@Mark.Fox.KKQSAM It´s on the internet
I never knew this thank you. I just did some googling and it's all over the map about their quality apparently some movies are less compressed but most are the same. Also no Dolby vision or 10+ wtf.
I understand selling this product on convenience but they are making a lot of claims that don't hold water.
@@jono6379 The Bluray version of a movie is so close to the K-scape version bitrate-wise. Most people wouldn´t be able to see or hear any difference at all. It´s all marketing. One claim in this video is beyond belief. With ssd´s you can download movies faster. Thats bogus. Download speed comes down to your internet connection. And any mechanical drive can recieve data faster that a 1gb connection can provide. Marketing claims that don´t hold water, just saying ;-)
@@janthomassrensen1065 KScape marketing has almost always relied on customers with money, but little idea of how this stuff actually works.
Rip your own, own your media,
SSD MAGIC !!! ... faster faster fasterrr ..ffsttrr .. ffsstrt .. fsstr ! ..haha =)
Just use a nvidia shield with kodi. And 2x 12tb hard drives …. it dosent cost thousands vs kaleidaRipoff
Don't forget to have backup drives or you'll have to rip all that again if one craps out.
@@mephInc why … been using mine years. No problems. Ur one of those ppl. You should have 10 backups just in case.
@@specialformula14
Wish I could be there when one off your drives craps the bed.
I prefer better safe than sorry, and one backup is plenty but your assumption was interesting.
Let me get this straight. You would like to be in their home to watch them crap in their bed when one of their hard drive fails? That’s quite disgusting.
@@Youthman
Lol hard drives. Interesting take though
Cool, but massively overpriced. Too risky for a device that could become obsolete in an instant.
Empties the wallet even faster.
We would like to give Kaleidoscape an award for gouging the consumer with overprice inflated equipment!
If you are going to provide an award, it would be good if you spelled their name correctly. If you can figure out a way to build it cheaper, it would be a great business opportunity.
Sorry, I had one letter mixed up. You’re awful protective of this company.. are they a sponsor? One hand washes the other in this business.
No, Kaleidescape isn’t a sponsor on my channel. To date, the only sponsored videos I have done with them is covering their booth at CEDIA 2022 and 2023.
I was sincere with my comment about building a more affordable Kscape alternative. No one in the industry has attempted to do what they have done.
According to Google, Kaleidescape has been in business since 2001. If it was easy to do and someone could build it cheaper, I would think they would have had competition by now.
@@Youthman I built a Theater for $9,000 it’s on my channel. But I just can’t get past paying these outrageous prices on home theater equipment. So it remains unfinished equipment wise. My dream is to get Kaleidescape one day and one day I will. But that will probably be the last thing because I think of it as a luxury item. I’m going to focus on the Emotiva MR1 Receiver. It’s the most affordable for running a 7.2.4 system. I’m sure Kaleidescape has a reasons for the high prices but it’s frustrating for the consumers.
@@Youthman I had this whole response comment written out and I sent it, but for some reason your filter must have deleted it. All I was doing is commenting on a receiver that I would like to get. I’m afraid to say it, because this might be deleted. 😂
Player should be $1,000. 8 TB SSD should be $1,000.
You make them for that price and I’ll help you sell them.
I think this is a phenomenal system but for you to catalog a movie you paid for and to pay again just doesn't sit well with me. Why did it take them so long to move to solid state drives? That's like 20 years ago TIVO era crap. Heck I was able to upgrade my X-Box360 to a Solid state drive in 5mins.
I’d be happy to ditch discs for files, but not if I don’t own the files.
The studios insisted on a closed system with KScape or they would have put them out of business. As long as KScape is in business, you have free and clear access, but it ends once KScape is gone. I guess if you can afford this ecosystem, you don't really care if you lose your high dollar collection.
What a waste of money lmao. A fool and his money are soon parted, like all the rich people who don’t know how to DIY anything (their target market)
Who says rich people don’t know how to rip movies? The wealthy are willing to pay for things that simplify their life and save them time.
Waste of money for 20yr technology. Magic words: Cloud, Streaming/ for at least 5yrs now.
I’m not pleading poverty here. And I am all for buying quality equipment. But Kaleidoscape plays downloadable movies on a hard drive in 4K with losses audio. That’s all it does. But yet the cheapest version of this is around $9000 for the player and 8 TB hard drive. I’m not even gonna touch on the more expensive ones. Anything that is related to home theater is inflated. Kind of like home car wash merchandise with those overpriced inflated products,. Buying 6 ounces of soap for $20 just because it leaves a shinier finish. Would I like a Kaleidoscape? Sure, but I would also like a new car. Ridiculous.
I wish it was more affordable as well. But no other brand has worked with the studios to even attempt to accomplish what Kaleidescape has accomplished. If it was easy, I would think other brands would at least attempt to make a competitive product.
@@Youthman So it’s not the hardware that’s expensive, It’s technology that’s driving the price? 4K Projectors was $40,000 at one time but it managed to come down to an affordable price. Weird.
I have no insight to their finances but I assume there is a steep price for licensing agreements with each studio that is offered on Kaleidescape. They likely make very little on the sale of each movie, thus they have to make their profit off of the hardware and software.
Gotta admit I mainly clicked to see how much hate there is in the comments 😂
There’s quite a lot of it.
@@Youthman Mainly because there is more than a little bit of marketing spin thrown into their spiel and massive over-pricing with the KScape hardware ecosystem.
Terrible pricing!!! Their products are for rich people only. Shame on you Kaleidescape!!!
Shame on Ferrari, Trinnov, McIntosh, Rolex, Tiffany & Co., Bugatti and all other luxury brands. How dare they make products that are expensive.
@@Youthman absolutely! No question about that… but that’s not something I’m interested with, I just love my home cinema.
I guess I’ll just fail to understand how appropriate pricing only applies to things that we are interested in?
I remember how overpriced the Sony Betamax was, then VHS came in cheaper and dominated market share. VHS was not better, but the price point made it fly. Risky business to sell so high, unless your okay with small markets
@mikewright9547 i’m actually surprised that there hasn’t been a single company to enter the same space since they began in 2001.
Just came for the KSCAPE hater tears 😂😅
Oo man what aaa coool tech 88 tb x4 dudeee 😅
I love movies but didnt know about this sistems private hope cinema its probably like 30K + to make full room setup
Weel i am fine on 150 cm 4K TV and soundbar & 10 TB downloaded 4K movies ❤