Throwback Breakdown: Atlantis the Lost Empire- Better Than You Remember
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How did you guys like this second entry in the Throwback Breakdown series? I tried to include more aspects of the writing process along with the history and background of the film. Let me know opinions and what I should tackle next!
Come on, Savage Books, do Mask of the Phantasm next! One of the darkest, most mature "children's" movies, hands down. It's practically made for a Throwback Breakdown!
Awesome entry! I think you mentioned doing sinbad legend of the 7 seas that another personal favorite of mine
Ferngully the Last Rainforest
Or
A Goofy Movie (which came out during the Disney Renaissance but is constantly forgotten about)
This was great! Digimon tamers would be nice to see next!
@@aquamelody8 DigiModify!
"Atlantis is so adult that it's massively boring"
5 year old me: I can't wait to see this movie AGAIN.
I could watch that movie hundreds of times as a kid because of that awesome steampunk submarine, let alone the rest of the awesome stuff in the movie.
And years later that REALLY hasn't changed XD
I watched this movie in theaters when I was 9 Years old, there is yet to come a sequence in any movie as awesome as the first appearance of the Leviathan.
The loud deep sounds, the silence, the tension that was built! And it was double awesome because as a kid that was a big fan of giant robots (Transformers, Power Rangers, etc) seeing the Leviathan as being a machine was just great.
@@NFDave1992 Preach it! I also loved as a kid, and still do, the giant spherical ether being. It is a mix of technology, magic, being alive but lack of apparent individuality. It's just an awesome concept and is, quite literally, the heart of Atlantis.
Quick note: love the fish like vehicles. More points for shooting lasers!
I watched this movie so many times during 2nd grade, the dvd broke.
It was probably boring to the parents that went with the kids.
People really underestimate how intelligent kids can be when it comes to mature films. They may not understand everything that's being said, but they understand the FEELING behind every word.
It took me YEARS to understand Atlantis on an adult-level, but I always understood what it was at its core: An underdog story about a quirky, awkward guy, discovering an ancient, dying people, falling in love with their princess, and protecting them from the people he once trusted.
Kids don't need to know the fine details to understand a good story when they see one.
Hollywood keeps treating children like mentally handicapped people recently. It's frankly insulting, to all human beings
Hit the nail on the head.
EXACTLY!!!
Very well put ✌️
best quote from the movie, and the entire history of film.
"Well..." *smothers cigarette* "we're all gonna die."
The recurring meme of the quarantine.
I really liked Vinny's: "hey milo, got anything sportier? like a tuna?" I laugh every time.
@@natebeal18 "Hey look, I built a bridge. It took like ten seconds. Twenty tops."
"It was like a spark from God, I found myself that boom." Vincenzo Santorini
"If I ever hear the word 'Atlantis' again, I'll step infront of a bus!"
I think the one I love most out of all the morally grey characters is Helga. She was introduced as a seductive femme fatal, which from the Disney formula would peg her as the one-note villainess, but the movie showed us her reservations (though brief) of taking the crystal from a civilization and chose to redeem her in the end with her last flare shot (+1 badass one liner). Idk, it was the first time for kid me to really like a villain, big kudos to the team for writing nuance to even the minor villain.
i feel she wasn't redeemed at all. the only reason she shot that flare was to F-over Roark and the reason behind that was roarke tried to F her over first. yes helga had reservations because they originally were sent to what was thought to be a dead city with no human life filled with lost treasure and an ancient power source. the fact that there was a not so small living populace still living effectively changed the goal from recovering artifacts to stealing them and even bigger implications of effectively committing a genocide. she had reservations yes but at the end of the day helga is out for herself and only herself. she didn't come here just to leave empty handed thus she worked with Roark with a promise of a percentage of profit.
@@dawnseeker176 Well plus there's the line "Commander. There were not supposed to be people down here. This changes everything." But she goes along with it not only for money but also likely fearful that Rourke would kill her if she did anything.
Kida was the first Disney Princess to become Queen in her first film.
And everyone is forgetting our queen Kida for those Disneyprincess lists :/
She isn't an official Disney Princess. She's a princess in a Disney movie
I would argue Ariel became a queen when she married Eric.
However, since it was never clarified, that’s up to interpretation.
Franka she should be as she fits the bill sans an animal sidekick. She’s also much more concerned for her home and has no real song to sing either. However because her film didn’t do well and was so different from most of Disney’s previous offerings they left her out
@@zooemperor3954 Triton was still king, and Eric was still going by the title of Prince (implying either one of his parents was still alive, or there was a regent). So, at the time of the marriage, she was still Princess Ariel on both fronts.
I adore this movie. As a child fascinated with Archeology, this film was my first confrontation with the damage that even innocent scholastic intentions can inflict on other cultures and people. It balances adventure with responsibility and consequence in a way very few films (child or adult aimed) bother attempting.
yes the adventure itself was already impressive but when they discover the city still thriving, a moral dilemma arises.
It talk about stuff that Indiana Jones didnt discuss.
I liked it because of my interest in Linguistics.
Same here
@@buttercupcoffee5972 I think Indiana Jones discussed that theme pretty well though... "Don't fuck with artifacts and ancients ruins or else you'll melt, explode, age and die within seconds, have your heart ripped out, and get abducted by aliens" bahahaha
"Atlantis is so adult that it's massively boring"
I never was into all those Disney musicals. Action adventure with main character that reminded me of Daniel From Stargate was the stuff I enjoyed.
Well, Milo basically IS Danny from SG (or is that other way around?). In the beggining, he wants to present new and unconventional theory (Atlantis/pyramids are landing pods), is laughed at, goes home in the evening, founds out someone broke in. That someone is woman, who believes him (because she has evidence for it (shepherds journal/stargate)) and offers him job at secret project, where he would get the chance to prove his theories, because they need his expertise to complete the last few steps (decoding the journal/stargate symbols), which he does. He than travels to another world (Atlantis/Abydos), where he falls in love with the local chiefs daughter. The people living in that place are in danger of some sort (Rourke/Ra), which he helps them from. Then, while others go home, where they lie that about what they saw to maintain status quo (no Atlantis/Abydos blown up), he stays and marries the chiefs daughter.
@@veronikamajerova4564 Don't forget that their grandfather's were both archeological adventurers.
But also, Characters like Milo paved the way for geekier characters to be in the spotlight more.
Macgyver is cited as the most important in doing this, the ultimate intermediary between brain and brawn, fighting with both fists and wits. But I like to think that characters well after it'd be established that our heroes could have brains and that was cool, characters like Milo could still help promote protagonist flexibility and nuance.
Fun fact, in an episode of Macgyver where he was taking part in a high school mentorship program, Richard Dean Anderson and Christopher Judge played opposite together.
My mom and I had our minds blown that they had met each other before SG1.
@@veronikamajerova4564 But yeah... Especially Season 1 Daniel... Very similar to Milo. Though I think the first season came out before Disney's Atlantis did... They said '01, after all.
I can’t stand musicals tbh I still liked Aladdin and lion king sure, but I love that Atlantis movie but idk if I ever saw it fully as a kid, parts of it, I even had the little crystal necklace thing, wish I had it on VHS back then.
I've always thought that the people who disliked this movie when it came out were mostly adults. Most of the people my age, who were children when the movie came out, say they loved it back then and still do. Back when it was on Netflix no one would say no to putting on Atlantis, it's a hit every time. I really think people made assumptions about what's "for kids" and what's not "for kids" and never bothered to listen to the actual kids who were having a blast watching this
I liked it. I was 19. Certainly couldn't get attached to it like a child but I liked it.
You just summed up the entire attitude towards animation, especially children's animation held by narrow minded adults and studio executives. It's infuriating to see great stories not given a fair shot because they don't fit a particular mold or brand.
Let us not forget that the music was absolute fire
Note that James Newton Howard, NOT Alan Menken, was involved. Alan is more of a musical-style cartoon composer while JNH went full ballistic with epic-style feature film writing in there.
Let's get Sideways in on that!
Bum bada bum bum bum bad BUM
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
@@loturzelrestaurant I mean humans have had suspense disbelief since the Bronze Age until now and I don’t notice any plot holes that your talking about but like the guy said in the video “there is no such thing as a perfect movie” and you also have to remember some things were cut out because of cost or other factors. But I’d love to hear more of your thoughts and have a thoughtful discussion.
Dude when I was a kid I wanted nothing more to be as cool as Kida.
Who wouldn't?
I straight up would pretend to be kida as a kid because I had a pool and thought that was close enough to floating in the air under a magic trance. Lol
She is one of my favorite Disney Characters. Her passion and empathy and bad ass self overall is admirable!
Kida was a well written character as well, which I respect more than what the character actually does. Unfortunately many of Disney’s writers seem to have forgotten how to do this.
Kida was my childhood benchmark for beautiful animated characters. Until I started watching anime, nobody even came close to measuring up.
I forgot how perfect how perfect that punch was
"Im forgetting something. . . I got the Cargo, the crystal, the crew. . . Oh yeah!" *Decks Milo right in the nose*
There was a couple subtle hints about Rourke.
"This should be enRICHing for all of us."
Refuses to shake Milo's hand on the bridge of the Ulysses.
Talks about pictures in the Shepherd's Journal as in he has read it and knew about the crystal since Iceland.
Told Milo everyone's hopes rested on him so when things went wrong and people died he would be the one to blame so then if Milo decided to not join him none of the other crew would join him as they would see Milo as the source of so many problems during the journey to Atlantis.
Which you don't notice upon the 1st viewing.
Great attention to detail this film
Another small detail was when Rourke said “nice pictures” when referring to the book which could be a smoking gun of him taking the missing page with its “nice picture”.
also just the name of the submarine can be seen as either it being named after the person with the most famous sea-faring story or the it being named after still the same person but in the context that he came up with the best trick to destroy an entire civilization
very good foreshadowing in this movie overall
Replying to that statement about alienating Milo from the rest of the crew: all of that was undone by Dr. Sweet. Sweet was the first person in the crew who was actually nice to him, even if it seemed a little alarming at the time. He was the one who invited Milo to sit with the crew. He was the first one to open up to Milo and he encouraged others to do the same (except for Mole). He was also the first person to leave the group after Rourke tortured the king. He did all of this simply because he is a fundamentally good person and that is rad as heck.
“Better then you remember”
... I mean... I remember it being pretty good in all honesty.
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
@@loturzelrestaurant wait a minute did you just copy and paste this from another comment thread? Huh weird.
@@loturzelrestaurant same
I like this movie and I do think there are elements that are perfect, and some that could be improved. But the characters. God you remember every one of them.
While im sure the story could have been extended, for me this is a perfect movie, like every moment is pure bliss
It's a really good instance of doing basic character tropes or even cliches so well that you don't even notice the trope/cliche
The characters from our world, the Atlanteans? Well there was a king and then there was a princess. I can't recall either of them particularly well and no one except them.
We are all gonna die
i totally agree. i tend to forget characters of a movie after not watching the movie for a long time, but not atlantis. it's been 3 years since i last watched it and i can still clearly remember their voices, mannerism, vocabulary, and even their lines. atlantis really has the best group of characters.
"I wasnt sorry to see lava whales go." Sequel: "Hold my lavarocks"
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
@@loturzelrestaurant Thats because it was a "pilot movie" Disney had a few of these. Basically they would greenlight three episodes of a tv series and if it didn't pass standards, they would just package them into a loosely connected story and sell it as a sequel.
@@cole4783 Team Atlantis was gonna have a crossover with Gargoyles also
I used to be OBSESSED with this movie when I was, like, three. I called it "The Star in the Middle of the City" because I couldn't remember the title, and it took me years to find out what it was actually called. I ended up looking at the reviews after rewatching it when I was a teen, which ended up killing my faith in critics since I adored it even when I was older and more cynical. I still love it, and still wish it'd gotten a better sequel.
The Star in the Middle City would have been a killer title.
my theory is that, like with several other lackluster sequels, it was just a storyboard for a series that was looked at poorly.
So instead of greenlighting the first 3 episodes, they greenlit the entire plot mashed into 1 movie, and it sucked instead.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire has no sequel.
No, I said it has no sequel.
Listen to me: *_The sequel does not exist_*
I would love to see a breakdown on Treasure Planet. It’s another movie that I feel like was ahead of it’s time just like Atlantis.
I don't care what anyone says negative about Treasure Planet. I love that movie more than any other Disney movie.
Both movies are honestly the best Disney movies!
I love Treasure Planet. Atlantis was boring to me. (+)
I love both those movies
The holy trinity of great animated movies:
Treasure Planet
Atlantis
Titan AE
Antlantis was an incredibly impactful movie for me as a child, and is still one of my favorite Disney movies. To see how much work and research they put into it, only makes it that much more meaningful to me.
To hear that this movie got mediocre reviews calling it boring is so disheartening!
It totally is. Disney was ready to move on to a different style of storytelling and narrative, yet the audience and critics weren't just yet. If the movie was separated from those broadway style ones that came the previous decade, it would have done much better, but alas it didn't. But the movie is far from mediocre and has a devoted fan base to it. I saw it as a young teen and loved it back in 2001 when it came out. A great movie that can be enjoyed by anyone.
Imo, same could be said about Pocahontas. I know it’s definitely not the best movie for Native American representation, but looking at it as a historical FICTIONAL movie like Anastasia, Disney actually put a lot of research and effort into depicting the Powhatan tribe as accurately as they could, including Pocahontas’s dress and some of the language spoken, despite most of it is lost to time unfortunately.
But yes, Atlantis had a TON of effort put into it, including a completely speakable and writable language you can actually learn! It’s really sad how this movie didn’t get a lot of promotion or marketing at the time and unfortunately was a flop. I even remember seeing one of the ads on a different Disney movie (maybe Lilo and Stitch) and thought it looked so epic!
The prologue for Atlantis legit gets me tearing up. It's so sad. I would have loved if t he movie was the full 155 minutes or more. It would have been absolutely worth it.
I want to read the script! I loved this movie growing up, knowing they cut that much is crazy!
"How's my accent?"
"Boorish... provincial... and you speak it through your nose."
"... Thanks, I'll, uh, I'll work on that..."
It was a funny line but I always wondered how she knew what a provincial accent sounds like when Atlantis hadn't had outlying provinces for over a millennia.
Cause she was there....
@@DeNamETae so she doesn't remember her mother being taken or specific details of the fall of Atlantis but distinctly remembers what a boorish provincial accent sounds like? I doubt it.
@@Airrage88 Im not saying it makes perfect sense xD I remember some very random shit from the age of 4 or 5. On top of that, alot of people fled to the inner city when the waters came, so whos to say people from the provinces wernt in the city and swept along?
What are you doing here?
This is my favorite Disney movie! There is an amazing fanbase surrounding this great story over on Facebook called ‘Atlantis: The Lost Empireposting’, and Tab Murphy himself is an active member who regularly posts about the lore and the writing because we can’t get enough! Such an underrated film!
xLycannonx Another Empireposter!
xLycannonx thanks for letting me know about this! I used to feel like my sisters and I were the only ones obsessed with this movie so I’m glad it’s being loved and appreciated
Dude fucking WHAT. I LOVE this film and had no idea! Thank you so much!!
This might be enough for me to dust off my Facebook account and log in after like 6 years.
I loved this movie as a kid and actually have the illustrated screenplay with concept art. My parents probably bought it so I would stop replaying the movie for a bit 😅
Oh, lore? YES
As a 9 year old autistic kid when this movie came out I was able to connect with this movie more than other Disney movies. Because the main character of Atlantis was bullied for who he was not for circumstances he was in. I was able to see the nuances that my older brother 10 or 11 and younger brother 8 did not see at the time because they where able to be in the crowd like the main crew and I usually would be left out like Milo. I even got the hidden/missing lore better than my brothers did. To this day this is one of my top 3 favorite movies from Disney the others being Aladdin and Treasure Planet.
If Milo isnt slightly on the spectrum I'll be VERY surprised.
I’m sorry that you went through what you did as a child, but I’m glad you found a character like Milo. 😀
It’s still one of my favorites aswell as a kid i was also bullied and pushed away by others but the mix of relatableness and just general storyline interesting me alot.. i adored audrey because she was the way i wanted to be myself.. i also loved the bomb dude (i don’t remember his name because i’m horrible at names) but he was so funny to me in a way the characters were a perfect mix of relatableness and just general look uppedness towards them.. now i’ve always been a huuge disney fan (still am) as a kid however i was one of the few kids who watched basically any movie no matter if it was a princess movie animal movie or out of the box kind of movie.. i actually liked atlantis because it was more intricate and not as happy go lucky and more realistic instead.. the historic theming of the movie also drew me in
That is amazing, as an autistic kid actually understands what’s beneath the surface of society
@@KillerOrcaThat's was I thought when I seen the movie. I know, some people think he is a stereotypical "shy adventurer main character guy", but I seen a lot of movies with those type of main characters and I don't think so. Or I didn't see it because some stuff was painfully relatable.
When I watched this as a kid, I couldn't tear myself away from the screen. The concept of a lost, technologically advanced civilization, was captivating. I identified with Milo as he geeked out over everything he was learning about Atlantis. It's how I felt later on when I watched Stargate SG1 and Atlantis (of course). The sense of adventure is something that I love, and if it has to do with stories of advanced civilizations, it captivates me even more.
The part about cutting the Viking beginning is inspiring.
"Master storytellers." We need more of those today...
They were "interested in telling the best story possible" no matter the cost or the time it took :'(
Plus it was better to see Atlantis at its' peak and establish some character with Kida and her father so when we see them later we see how much Atlantis has declined and we sympathize with her since she was around when before the wave and experienced Atlantis in its' prime and wants to see it again.
Okay
Incoming rant about that one critic
I think the biggest thing Ms. Stephanie missed was that animation doesn't have to cater to whimsical dreamy ideals and is not required to have a song and dance number to it. I know that at the time, Disney had a reputation for making Broadway style stories, but when a movie sets itself up to be gritty, expect it to be gritty. Even if it's animated.
It's reviews and critics like her that keep animation from reaching it's highest potential and keeping western animation behind countries like Japan in terms of how many genres animation can encompass.
It's a pet peeve of mine, and the ludicrous amount of people who still think and hold opinions like this make me mad every time.
Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.
Could've summed it up with, "Ralph Bakshi would like a word."
I applaud you, I just wrote an essay on this exact topic, even now animation is still underestimated, when it has the highest potential for epic storytelling and maturity, the Dc comics animated universe is still superior and far more mature than any of the live action Dc movies, and cartoon network only shows cartoons that kill brain cells now, unlike anime that uses animation to tell grand scale stories with no limitations what so ever. Sorry looks like I had my own rant.
@@AndreNitroX
Rant away. Who knows? Maybe someone will hear us.
While I agree that animation is a wonderfully versatile medium, appropriate for both lighthearted and mature themes, I kind of get where Stephanie was coming from, for this particular movie. A lot of the 'grown up' elements of Atlantis are kind of thrown in without letting them authentically affect the characters. It has death, it has ancient cultures, lost tech, and DEATH. It seemed more like a 12 year old's attempts to be edgy rather than adults enabling a younger audience to understand mature themes. I remember my teenage self being put off by that. If I saw it again though I might change my mind.
Steph's review was a joke, one of the most ridiculous statements I've read, trashy, pathetic review.
I remember that, as a child, the very first time I bought something of my own will (with money gifted by grandparents and stuff over the years, because I didn't have an allowance growing up) was a toy of the Leviathan of this movie. Back then I learned the Atlantidean alphabet and I even wrote stuff in it. I freaking loved this movie back then and, if they had sold books with more of the world building behind it, you can bet your ass I would have found a way to put my hands on them. I didn't see this movie as not catered to children: I was a child and I thought that this movie had been specifically tailor made around my interests. Now that I have become a world builder myself, I can truly appreciate the craftsmanship that went into it.
yes once you find out just how much effort the creators put into the worldbuilding it makes you love this movie even more and wish that the tv series had kicked off.
yeah i got merchandise of it when I was a kid. I even had the pinwheel translator of the Atlantean alphabet and use it to write code. They sadly got lost. Best childhood.
"I do not make films for children... or, at least, not primarily for children."
"You're dead if you aim for kids."
- Walt Disney
Children will lap up any old trash. Its the parents you gotta convince.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 yup.
IRONY
absolutely. kids aren't near as dumb as creators think
"We design the films to appeal to ourselves."
"The adults have the money.... children don't have any money."
- Walt Disney
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I would be interested in the world of Atlantis being delved into further, but Disney making a live action remake isn't what I think it needs. Disney has only become more greedy and more wary of risk in the years since and they've butchered so many classic films and stories that I wouldn't trust them to not destroy what Atlantis laid down.
Agreed. A live-action remake would be a terrible idea.
I agree; however, Atlantis would, I think, be a much better candidate for a liveaction remake than, say, the Lion King or Beauty and the Beast. The fact that it’s not a fantastical world lends itself much better to live action, which struggles with fantastical elements (ie talking candlesticks or grown men juggling other grown men while eating 3 dozen eggs or whatever it is that happens during Gaston’s song).
Agreed. I don't want a live action remake, I want a novel series and at least two television shows: one of Kida and Milo building the new empire and a prologue series leading to the cataclysm.
In the second movie it turns out that many myths are real
I thoroughly enjoyed Atlantis, Treature Plant, and Titan AE as a child. Really wish were had been more animate adventure movies.
Yes these were some of the best animated movies ive ever seen, and ive seen them all, too bad people didn't appreciate them on release
I’ve rewatched all three of those films recently and I don’t think Titan AE holds up as well as the other two. Loved it as a kid, but as an adult I felt the story seemed disjointed and didn’t have the same emotional impact as Atlantis or Treasure Planet.
Ah, the big three...I miss them all.
Atlantis is by far the weakest of them.
@@DaDunge Having just recently watched Treasure Planet, I would say it is the weaker one. I still can't even tell you what it was about. It's that bland. Titan AE is the superior one of the three though.
My top three favorite western animated films:
1. The Iron Giant
2. Atlantis: The Lost Empire
3. Emperors New Groove
I absolutely loved iron giant as a kid
What about The Prince of Egypt my dude
agree 100% with the 2nd and 3rd, and although i find the iron giand a magnificent movie, prince of egypt wins it all for me
And japanese-Western anime :
- Ulysses 31
- The Mysterious Cities of Gold
....
4. Shrek
Atlantis has always been underrated. I loved it to bits. Adventure stories, wacky ensemble casts, Steampunk, cute nerd protagonists, serious and heroic princesses, and ancient magic are some of my favorite things.
I watched Atlantis when I was a 14 year-old boy. Who would've told that I'd become a linguist and a translator. This is a cool movie and shows exactly the work and importance of linguistics in late XIXs. I love it.
Eres Lingüista? Dónde estudiaste?
@@454LuisDeLaTorreen Chile :) Ahora termino mi maestría en lingüística aplicada en una universidad española 🤘
Ahora eres como Milo
I had a massive crush on Kida when I was a kid
Nothing has changed
This was me with Milo, the first of the stringy bespectacled nerdboys I would come to fancy.
Nothing has changed.
@@aromaladyellie Atlantis is painful because one doesn't know who one should fancy
you too?
When we were kids, she was probably our first experience of seeing depicted a proper woman.
Now, we love such women.
my man.
“Less songs, More Explosions” ! Ever since I was a kid, Atlantis has been my absolute favorite Disney movie. To me it is literal perfection and there is nothing that I would want changed. Every frame, every character every action scene is just amazing. Even the documentary is incredible to watch since you get to see the absolute passion the creators had making it and I love that. Amazing review of this gem, I hope more people will give Atlantis the credit it rightfully deserves.
I know! I don't know why people think this movie is too adult and boring for kids. It was my favorite movie period from when I was 4 until high school.
*Fewer
@@BobMcBobJr yes there was still plenty of gold humour infact more than any other Disney movie, and I liked mature cartoons like this as a kid, and as adult I still do.
Vinny's a treasure.
Personally I think the best way to do Atlantis if they were to redo it, would be to follow the Mando's example, a TV series. Imagine 2-3 seasons of this movie with much more adventure in the tunnels, exploration of Atlantis itself and it's history, and development of the characters
A live action series could probably work pretty well.
I’ve been speculating casting ideas for a few years now. Lemme know if you have any ideas to build on it.
Milo: Tom Holland (although it’s probably not the best choice following “Uncharted”)
Rourke: either Josh Brolin (Thanos, Cable) or Stephen Lang (the colonel with the face scars from Avatar 2009)
Helga: either Brie Larson or Natalie Portman
Whitmore: either Christopher Lloyd or Jeff Bridges
Sweet: Terry Crews. He’s the best and only choice for this character lol
Audrey: Ana de Armas (she played Marta in Knives Out)
Mole: Danny Devito is the obvious choice, but he’s probably too old at this point, and his French accent would probably be hilariously terrible (my backup choice is Jack Black, but his accent would probably be bad too)
Vinny: this one gave me *a lot* of trouble. I eventually settled on Ryan Reynolds. (He looks the part, but whether he can sound or act the part is debatable)
Kida: I honestly have no idea here. I considered Zoe Saldana, but at this point that’d basically be typecasting lol. If you have any ideas for Kida, I’m all ears cuz I got no idea
King Nedakh: my first choice would’ve been Leonard Nimoy (classic Spock, and the voice of the king in this movie), but he passed away in 2015. Other potential ideas were James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman, but idk for sure.
You would not BELIEVE how many times as a kid I would use this plastic “crystal” necklace I had and pretend to do the chamber and underwear swim scenes! Legit is STILL my all time favorite movie!
This movie started the twist villain cliche before it was overused in Frozen and Big hero 6, and others
Actually it was Pixar that started that cliché, but unlike current Disney movies, this movie did the twist right, and it hurts.
AndreNitro X1000 and then other companies like Warner animation group (Lego Movie 2) and Marvel did it too
I don't agree that Rourke is a twist villain in the same vain as Frozen, Big Hero 6, or any other films Schaffrillas Productions popularized in that video. To me, it seemed clear that everyone except for Milo was in it for the money, which isn't inherently evil or wrong. Most of the crew was even okay with stealing from the people of Atlantis //so long as no one got hurt//, so long as it was just a show on strength. But when the decision to doom a civilization in exchange for money arose, ALL the characters made a choice, and Rourke chose money while the rest decided the money wasn't worth it. My point is that his character was consistent throughout but there wasn't anything to push him to his extremes yet.
Rourke isn't a 'twist' in the same vein as Frozen. He's a greedy man, and is so from the start. His goals simply matched Milo's until they didn't. And when they didn't, he became an antagonist.
@@FlameIceStudios Yep. And remember, Rourke also ordered to kill the atlanteans as the last resort, when it was clear that they won´t give their secrets without a fight. At first, he tried negotiating with the king, when that didn´t work, he took Kida as hostage, and when THAT didn´t work, he finally settled for large scale murder.
Yes, he was greedy and wasn´t afraid to get his hands dirty when he needed to, but only when there isn´t other way to get what he wants.
That critic review was a perfect encapsulation of how crappy people's mindsets were.
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Atlantis and Treasure planet were by far my favorite movies when I was younger and still hold a special place for me can tell alot of love went into them despite them being underrated movies at the time
As an indicator of how much my wife and I love this movie, she came in while I was watching this analysis, and was upset because she thought I was watching it without her.
Treasure Planet next Please!! It gets bashed on by critics yet everyone who I've spoken to that's seen it either loves it or likes it a lot. I love it, it's an excellently animated retelling of a classic story, and still remains in my top 3 Disney films.
quite possibly the best Disney movie ever made
Treasure Planet was great
Yeah Treasure Planet and Atlantis are the two best and most forgotten Disney films.
If I ask people abou them they...
A: Never heard of it.
B: Seen it and one of thir favourites.
There’s a video by a channel called Breadsword about Treasure Planet you might like. Also, yes, it’s an excellent retelling that showcases well developed characters and well made animation.
I know. I've seen a lot of Treasure Island adaptation but Treasure Planet is the one that has stuck with me over all these years
This is Disney's most perfect movie, way ahead of its time. I was a kid and enjoyed it 100%, magical, modern, no ridiculous fairy tales. This movie is a masterpiece.
I loved this movie. It enraptured me, creating a love for archeology, oceanic themes, and character. My own DnD setting is oceanic themed because of Atlantis and games like Bloodborne, where those themes tie in to the greater narrative. Hell, I even had a huge crush on Kida growing up. Seeing her get any form of love nowadays is heartwarming. Atlantis fueled my childhood dreams of wanting to discover some secret below the ocean, write a story just as complex as it, and someday meet a woman like Kida. Milo was one of the first characters aside from the hero from Polar Express and Jim from Treasure Planet that I ever put myself in their shoes. Treasure Planet is my favorite movie of all time, with Atlantis following right behind.
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
@@loturzelrestaurant stop spamming this everywhere. You don’t even have any examples to back it up.
I never really got to watch this movie as a kid. Instead, I saw the trailer for it every time I watched my copy of Dinosaur. And from that trailer, the intro of the cataclysm, and the giant submarine descending along with that glorious soundtrack were engrained into my mind.
Saw it years later on Netflix, and to this day it’s still my favorite Disney movie.
Recently rewatched it with a friend, and we frequently paused it to break down and analyze fun background details: after the dive, we looked up the sub’s wiki page and checked out the stats; we estimated measurements of the cargo subs that escaped the leviathan, and found them to be larger than most modern cargo planes; every single firearm used by the characters near the end of the film were real-life WW1 weapons.
I love this movie
@@SpartanChief17C So a baseless assumption about what i got and dont got; that is the best youve got?
Seriously?
@@SpartanChief17C And that's not even mentioning how embarassingly you missed the Time-Stamps here.
You literally ask me to stop about a thing i have long, long stopped, in fact.
Objectively: your embarassing yourself, dude.
I block you now cause you obviously have nothing and you cant even grasp the situation or know why i should stop with what.
Bye.
Milo is one of the reason I became comfortable with myself as a kid and I could see it when re-watching the movie. He's in my eyes the most realistic "weak-strong" character, like a side-kick turned protagonist, owning and ruling the story line in face the brawling mass.
Atlantis is easily my favorite Disney film. I was in high school when it came out, I love adventure and get annoyed by musicals. I Love the art style, the mature story, and most importantly the charecters.
Charecters like Vinnie, and Mrs. Packard are just so much fun to watch.
Atlantis was indeed a highly original story
This movie was ahead of its time and I always loved it dearly. It's the one Disney animated movie I still remember very fondly.
Children are constantly underestimated in terms what they can and cannot grasp socially. This was my favorite movie when it came out and many years later and I was 5+ yo. Of course I missed a lot of the nuance and references, but even then I was inexplicably attracted to the realness of the characters and the incredible world building. I was mystified by the city and their artwork which made it feel so magical and weirdly plausible to me. Only a few years later, for similar reasons, Avatar the Last Airbender became my new favorite, and Avatar had the most grey characters probably in animation history. I think both works were pivotal to my understand the world and I remember it just feeling right learning that there were no such things as evil villains, just... people, with their own motives, upbringings, and views of the world.
I watched Atlantis being a kid and I didn't find it massively boring. On the contrary, the movie hit me so deeply it automatically turned into one of my favorite movies ever, and still is. Thanks for credit this masterpiece, it's a shame it doesn't get more recognition.
This film is sick, easily one of the best Disney films ever. And this is now probably the best video on the subject I've seen on CZcams.
@Cara Marais I LITERALLY CAME TO THE REPLIES TO MENTION THAT VIDEO!
(18:36) _Writers should always seek to gain as deep an understanding of their subject matter as possible. Because that's the only way to write about it with any real meaning_
> Someone should have pointed this out to the team before they did the Star Wars sequels.
Tbf tho, even without the Clone Wars show, the books, or even any of the video games from the mid-2000s, the prequels were still the most fascinating setting and time period in the entire franchise. As bad as the dialogue was, they’re still my all time favorites.
@@SpartanChief17C
Agreed. The world-building was fantastic
The script was off but I viewed it as: which of us as teens wouldn't be potato when we're with a crush.
I was six years old when this movie came out. I saw it in theaters and I loved it so much, I begged my parents to buy the VHS for my birthday. Once I got that VHS, I would watch the movie over and over again. The art style, the story, the steampunk vehicles from the surface and the sleek aquatic vehicles of the City of Atlantis.
I felt the same way about Treasure Planet the following year, another fantastic movie that broke the mold and suffered at the box office because of it.
11:51: "John Sanford's issue with this sequencing was that it would demand that the audience wait 40 minutes to actually see Atlantis, in a movie *titled* Atlantis."
2017 Power Rangers producers: Hold my beer...
Treasure Planet and Atlantis are beautiful, lovingly made pieces that are both mad under appreciated. They opened me up to so many fantastic genres that I'm still involved with to this day!
As a kid, Atlantis was one of my favorite movies. It's still enjoyable to rewatch and is high on my list of movies. Kida especially made it enjoyable to watch. It was one of the first times I got to see a leading lady be a badass. A year or so ago, I found a Kida bathing suit at Hot Topic and remember freaking out, ecstatic to finally find some physical thing outside of the movie itself that related to it. It's heavily underrated and I'm glad to know that people are finally seeing it for the masterpiece it is.
“Better Than You Remember” Yes, perfectly summed up. I have this movie on VHS and whenever I rewatch this movie for some nostalgia, I firmly believe that this is a criminally underrated movie that has faded from people’s minds. Helga was my fave, a deadly babe with a C96.
Loved this movie as a kid.
and Vinny was and still is, my favorite.
I mean, he build a bridge in 10 seconds... 11 tops.
It would be good if we had some Nitroglycerin...right Milo.......
Now this is something I'd like to see in live-action with a slightly longer run-time to expand on certain characters.
I'd definitely love that too. I think Cole Sprouse as Milo would be a good casting, he pulled it off in a cosplay really well once and I mean, he used to play an exceptionally nerdy character. :D
Danny DeVito as Mole?
No. No way that comes out good.
But it's already a gorgeous animated film. I'm so tired of every animated movie or show under the sun "needing a live-action re-make." Animation is it's own valid, beautiful art form that can do many things live-action film can not.
@@AluraAlua Indeed it is. I absolutely adore it and you're speaking to someone who has worked with animators, storyboarders, key art animators... I get the love for animation. I share it; Into the Spider-Verse is the best movie of its year.
However we live in an era where Disney is remaking anything and everything it can. And therefore in this cynical world I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do with this story.
6:42 if you think about it the leap from Harry Potter to detective novels isn’t a very big jump. HP books are basically mystery novels dressed up as fantasy.
I'll agree with you on that one, except perhaps the 7th book (which I'd argue is the weakest, but I'm not much of a literary critic)
I was gonna make almost this exact comment but you so kindly did it for me. Thank you, sir.
Yup, Harry Potter is a mystery series geared towards children and her other mystery books are geared towards adults/a more mature audience.
Well... yes and no. The mystery isn’t the main focus, the fantasy elements are. They aren’t gritty noirs, and they’re not mysteries like Boxcar Children and Nancy Drew. They’re fantasy books with mystery elements.
@@aromaladyellie Actually yeah. What she said.
"Frozen" was the first Disney film to have a Disney princess become a queen, and the first to give us the twist of a character being a villain all along.
Kida and Rourke: "Am I joke to you?!"
All of the facts have been spat by this man.
I actually like this film way better than FROZEN.
Frozen was a terrible disney movie.
When it comes to the queen debate didn’t lion kings Nala rise to queen status first.
@@lunerblade13 good point
Atlantis was such a huge part of my childhood back in the early 2000s and it sparked a lot of the imagination i still carry today. I really wish disney would treat it with more respect, especially now thats its gaining more appreciation now.
An underrated classic that deserves more attention. I look forward to seeing your take!!
Kida was one of those characters that I always love to see, she is strong and independent, but knows that she can't do everything, there are things missing.
I remember watching the movie with my grandmother and spending half an hour fiddling with the language settings because we thought they were broken. They weren’t. The characters were speaking Atlantean...
Though I would get scared of it as a toddler, I could not but fascinate and imagine Atlantis. This and the Prince of Egypt are my top favorites. And both have darker theme than the animated films at the time, and are also underrated of their respective studios.
In Swedish versions of the movie, the Viking scene is the opening scene.
I've seen the Viking scene becuse it was included on the DVD as extra material but I don't believe it ever replaced the "child Kida" scene.
My memory may be skewed, but I have a VHS of this film in English, and it opens with both the Vikings and Atlantis' fall. Can't recall which is first though.
@@TheDigitalWatcher Was it recorded from TV? Some broadcasters add in deleted scenes to make more time for commercials
@@TheDigitalWatcher Same with the Finnish VHS, it had both the Viking and the Atlantis intro scenes. I can't remember if it's included in the DVD/Bluray version or just as extra. I'm surprised the Viking intro is missing from most versions, I always thought it was part of the movie.
I was thinking the same thing. Pretty sure both were included on my danish version.
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Honestly.. you can't really hate hades. I loved his character as a kid
21:45
they still gave us "Lavadogs" in the sequel and it looks suspiciously like a land-whale
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow. The Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
I haven't seen Hunchback of Notre Dame in at least 18 years. Probably more. I saw Atlantis a few years ago and I am feeling Nostalgic now.
I remember when this came out and I went to see it as a little girl and I loved it~! 😍 I didn't care that it didn't have songs or princesses I loved how edgy and different it was from the norm. Just like how I and why I also loved the underrated Treasure Planet. Lol I can't even think of how many times I've watched them since I continue to while as an adult
“John Sanford was interested in telling the best story possible. No matter how much time, effort, or money it took.”
Cheers to a great storyteller! We need more of this.
In fact, movies today could cost half as much and be 1000% better if we ceased to focus on “good graphics & cheap action sequences” and brought back the storytelling of old.
When this came out, I was already graduated, and I loved it.
My kids (boy & girl) saw it when they were about 5 & 6 they loved it, and I saw almost nothing else for the next 3 months.
I still think this movie is way underrated.
I absolutely love Atlantis. I can remember being in the cinema at the age of 7 and feeling awestruck when they arrive at the city. The visuals, the music, the sense of grandeur... Even though the film is imperfect in many ways, as a piece of pure movie magic it's an absolute triumph.
The spirit of Atlantis lives on in Cartoon Saloons Secret of Kells and Song of The Sea. Bold thoughtful beautiful animation with a reverence for hidden magic lost to the modern world. We need more fiction like this!
Even as a kid I loved the extra levels of complexity this movie had. I liked that it wasn't all song and dance and really on the nose fairy tale lessons.
Atlantis, Treasure Planet, and The Iron Giant were probably my favorite non-Pixar animated movies growing up and I just could not understand why those movies were so underrated.
Didn’t see Helga die. Need that spinoff. She was always the most intriguing to me.
She's definitely dead. The lava flow almost smothered Atlantis
Being 5, when I saw this, I have always loved this movie. As I got older, I never understood why the movie was so unpopular.
But then again, I was also the kid that REALLY liked Emporer's New Groove, enjoyed Treasure Planet, and have always appreciated The Black Cauldron
Its a crime that disney chooses to remake the musicals rather than movies like Atlantis and hunchback of Notre dame.
If you look on Wikipedia, they already have plans for a remake of this film...
@@dragonlord1225 its wikipedia tho. Itd be nice if there was a statement from disney
The live action of this was Avatar...
The Stephanies run the show and we take them seriously these days.
We don’t need no fucking remake just so they can fuck it up.
What I would love to REALLY see, is a full cut of this. All of the underground journey, all the environments. Heck, even the Vikings, they could put that scene in-between the destruction of Atlantis and us cutting to the museum.
I never understood why, whenever I found mentions of this movie on the internet, they always seemed to be negative. I saw this movie when I was maybe 8 or 9 and while I have to admit I closed my eyes during the moment where Rourke turned into a crystal - I wasn't ready for that kind of body horror, and this is the reason why I didn't rewatch the movie until years later - I always liked the story. I also loved both Milo and Kida, in a kind of person I am vs person I wish I was kind of way. Atlantis may not have been entirely suited for young children, but it's such a good movie.
I would love love love to buy a book with the never before seen art/concept art and world building details! This was one of my favorite movies growing up largely because of the magical and detailed land that was created. I would've given anything to visit this interpretation Atlantis.
It was an amazing movie, but Disney burried it so much, that I always forget it was a Disney movie. This one and Treasure Planet, are my favorite Disney movies. And my god, how much I miss this animation style... I am a huge animation fan, so there is a lot of 2D animation out there for me to enjoy... but there was this something that Disney had, and you won't find in anime. Maybe just Studio Ghibli.
i legit always think of Atlantis as a Fox Movie, not a Disney movie thats how much they disassociate it.
Atlantis was definitely not a miss. It's one of my personal favorites as well because of it's complexity and deep commitment to the fantastical. It is such a key example of disney magic to me
Atlantis is and will always be my favorite out of all Disney movies. While I love a sappy romantic musical noting can compare to the realness and power of the story of Atlantis. I wish Disney would make more movies like Atlantis.
I loved the longer format here, as well as the in depth history of one of my favorite Disney films!
I would be very interested in a video from you on Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse. I haven’t seen many video essays on it and I would argue that it’s a near-perfect film. Maybe you could focus on its excellent use of callbacks.
glad to see Atlantis gaining some recognition! love your videos!
One of the memorable lines from Atlantis the Lost Empire was from the old prospector guy. It went something like “I’ve seen this back in North Dakota. They can smell fear just by looking at you. So keep quit.” The wacky twistedness of the mixed up senses was crazy enough to still be stuck in my head twenty years latter.
Loved this movie as a kid and the themes really hold up. The Viking ship prologue was included in an Atlantis prequel game I played back in the day so I remember it vividly!
All that additional material sounds like a mini-series in the remaking.
Stephen Suggs I remember they had that in mind but unfortunately it was caned you can still find the three pilots if you look up Atlantis milo’s return.
blu dragonfly It was very strange to me as a kid how disjointed that movie felt. I still liked it a lot, but it was a little confusing how many different elements it had.
Alexander Angelus The reason it felt so choppy is because it was the three episodes put together as a movie.
The 6yearold me loved this movie so much he literally memorised half the dialogue by heart.
Wao, so boring for kids, aite?
Atlantis was a really unique and enjoyable movie, from the art style to the characters and set pieces. The plot is pretty solid, even if the pacing and tonal dissonance can break the immersion at times. Still one of my favorite movies. If you're open to suggestions, I think Treasure Planet, The Black Cauldron, or The Last Unicorn would be cool to see; if you are a fan of the movies, of course. Great video, engaging and insightful even after multiple views. Thank you! :)
When I was a kid, I wanted to be an archaeologist. I was fascinated by stories of Egypt, pharaohs in their tombs, ancient kingdoms, legends... So you bet I was all over this movie. I didn't really get the impression that people loved this movie but never really saw any hate for it. I am glad to see people talk about it after all these years.
The early 2000s was a time of great experimentation at Disney, especially in how they handled villains. Atlantis with a more complex, twist villain. ENG with a more comedic duo of antagonists that don't even end up dead/in prison. Treasure Planet has the villain as a father figure.. Lilo and Stitch lacked a real villain. Finally, Brother Bear which didn't even have a villain, and the only antagonist is someone we sympathize with in the MC's distraught brother.
As for how I feel about Atlantis : TLE, I rewatched it just to come into this video with full memory. It's a good movie, but has some conflict issues of show and tell with Milo's shown physical prowess in certain scenes versus how characters call him unathletic, as well as how dumb it is that people who were adults at the time of the flood who are still alive somehow forget how to read/write their language. That the Atlanteans could just up and speak English was really dumb too.
Well, according to actual myth, Atlanteans knew all languages, and were adept at understanding them, as well. The crystals themselves, if you think about it, also could have been a translation device to understand other languages. You have to think sideways and actually use your imagination for how some things worked.
Ok here’s my theory about not being able to read:
I always thought that after the flood Atlantis was damaged and because of it the civilization no long focused on expanding knowledge and learning but instead on surviving and moving on living in a crumbling city. The king explains that after the floods he hid the crystal and it’s power. Watching how many times the crystal necklaces were used to power technology and heal, it’s a safe bet to assume that the big crystal was even more vital to those things. Hiding the crystal and refusing to use its power caused the civilization to deteriorate even further. Most likely the shift from a great civilization to “scavenging for food at the edge of a crumbling city” also shifted their priorities and they stopped reading/writing/etc. Even if you know how to do something and won’t forget, after hundreds of years of not doing it you’re bound to be rusty. There might be a few people who still have some knowledge on how to read, but considering how old the king is I’d say that there’s not very many.
As for the ability to speak other languages... I don’t know... unless maybe they frequently spoke in different languages regularly so it managed to survive where the ability to read didnt?
KatieKat I remember there’s a line about how Atlantean must be rooted in Latin which I guess helps explain why they can speak so many languages... I think it’s a stretch but also speculation when they arrive so it’s a mystery to the characters too.
Edit: they could’ve also been exposed to multiple languages over hundreds of years if Milo’s crew wasn’t the first group of explorers to reach them.
I wouldn't really call him a twist villain as it's made readily apparent and even outright stated. There is just so much to it. I don't think that's a bad thing though. With Frozen I felt Hans' was really forced as his personality did a complete 180.
This was my favorite movie as a kid. I remember vividly how i learned to use a VHS-player just to watch it over and over again
That's sad, I was a little kid when I first saw this in theater and I have a distinct memory of walking out of the movie being so excited about it with my little sibling
BUT the adults that took us didn't like it
I remember watching Atlantis in the theaters and rewatching it countless times on DVD and even the commentaries. It was fascinating, I wanted so much more as a child and even now. Learning that it wasn’t a “success” was so baffling to me, even now it doesn’t really make sense.
Great video, really want to rewatch the movie and commentary again.
The Viking intro looked cool. The the moment you played the Kida intro i got chills.
V e r y good call
The font in the thumbnail tricked me into thinking this was about Stargate Atlantis but i mean i love this movie also so FINE
I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I love all six movies and it's four spin-off TV shows, and all the background lore that has been built up over the past forty-four years it's been around. But Atlantis is my favorite movie of all time, followed by Stargate and then The Last Crusade.
There's something about the adventure, the journey of these academics and their companions that speaks to me on a personal level, and not just because I'm a linguaphile. The search for lost knowledge, the sentiment that there's something more out there that we don't know, and the growing relationship between the characters on their journey is, I think, the most human of all stories. And I absolutely love it!
"It's a lot of work, but there's a better idea." I need this mentality. I avoid complications like the plague and that's probably why I've scrapped every single thing I've written.