@@dl7283well it also depends on what comics you’re talking about because he’s at different ages and stages in a lot of them. I think generally people like the old face in these games more because it looks older and fits his character in this universe. This is a Pete who’s been doing this for a long time, is out of college and working in a lab, and has been through all of “young Pete’s losses and fought all his villains” so in my mind it just feels better for the story seeing him much older
I think you guys are fishing for an explanation as to why you don't like the new guy and I think you are wrong. If he was the original, I think you would be just as bothered if the John Bubniak model replaced him. Though the new guy does look younger, that could have just fed into the innocence appeal of something like the soft-spoken Tobey Maguire portrayal. Tobey Maguire remains the favorite live action Peter of all time. I think we are just familiar with the first Peter and we prefer him out of loyalty, respect and familiarity. We cannot convince ourselves that he is the same person without the same face. It is almost as though the face is the physical representation of the entire personality.
@@YourGenericJoshexactly when people associate this Peter Parker in Spider-Man with an actor they're going to go to the face they see who plays Peter Parker. So in reality it's less about Yuri and more about Ben Jordan
Please search into orthodoxy Jesus is the only way to heaven, just being a good person won’t get you there, while yes doing what God said is requiered. Search into orthodoxy afterwards but first read this. Before you read these next things i want you to know that christianity isn’t about worshiping some deity in the sky because you dont want to go to hell, it’s about a loving and friendly relationship with God. God loves us soooo much no one can understand it. God wants you to tell Him everything, because He is soooo loving. Altough He knows it all He wants you to trust Him and be honest with Him and listen to Him. So now that i told you this read these Bible verses (the word of God) knowing that i’m telling you this out of love and i want you to know it’s not too late to turn and repent and follow Christ❤️❤️❤️ „Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6 ESV Bible Repent from your sin (disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you WILL be saved. „If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9 ESV „No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” Luke 13:3 ESV „For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 ESV ❤️☦️
2018 face:- actually looks like a Peter been through a lot, his hair is messed up and looks more of a tired and accurate Peter 2020:-Shawn Mendes+the good doctor+Tom Holland
Not everything revolves around Tom Holland dude he’s not the best Spider-Man in all of his movies .. he’s the best Spider-Man for a few moments in the mcu but other than that he’s just ok Holland is a weird fuck now too
I feel like he should've at least somewhat resembled him if he was going to look like he's in highschool. Even a younger version of Peter like the ultimate protagonist has a pretty specific type of dopey appearance New parker is a lot more similar to a 15 yo boy on tiktok than anything else.
@saikarthikachutuni4393 she was!!! But on the bright side we can attach new MJ wide jaw line to a pick up truck and shovel snow of New York city streets ❤
The best thing about the OG face was that it matched the Spider-Man/Peter Parker character in that world. Peter is an older, more experienced and mature Spider-Man. He’s been doing this for a while and they didn’t just show it with his superhero ability and knowhow, but you actually see it in his face, he actually looks like he’s in his mid-20s (25-26). The 2020 face made him look so much younger and different (like Tom Holland) (20-22) which was a little jarring. And it diminished his older mentor look a little bit.
He looked too old. Hes supposed to be 25, he looked 30+. The new one looks 25. 25 year olds look like new Peter, unless they're smoking 40 a day and live on a sunbed.
@@leatherworkstationI don’t think he looked 30, his face seemed fit for being 23 or so. MJ in Spider-Man 2 on the other hand…she’s the prime example of looking too old
@celestialreaper6434 she looks like the scanned actor now, Stephanie Tyler Jones. She's 30, so that's how old MJ looks now I suppose. I think people are underestimating how young people in their early 20s look.
@@leatherworkstation I'm not a fan of her new look as I think that she looks way too old for her voice and actual age imo. She's supposed to be around Peter's age, so I don't get why they made MJ look older while Peter looks much younger. Just my opinion, but I agree that Peter looks better in the Spider-Man 2 than in the remastered Spider-Man.
True but they improved it in spider-man 2, I still miss John bubniaks look but the new one ain't that bad, he was only terrible in the remastered version
Don't say you understand when you don't know how mocap works. A lot of you just bought what they said because yall think it's the truth. Mocap works for ANY face. It isn't exclusive. You can tell which mocap looks better and more expressive and which does not. You don't need to know mocap to understand that. But to understand what they say when giving excuses like "next gen" and "better performace", they are straight bullshitting you. I boycotted Insomniac after they did that shady shit
If by “they” you mean PC modders, then yes, the face swap has already been done on the 1st game and will doubtless happen again for the 2nd when it comes to PC.
Remaster Peter looks fine to me, he looks likes he's in his early 20s in 2018 and mid 20s in spiderman 2. Og Peter looks like he is pushing 30s in 2018
@@arpadszabo661It wasn’t underperforming, it just took so much time and tinkering due to the differences in facial structure, they changed the face so that that time could be used on other stuff
I love how everyone magically started loving the old face once they changed it. I genuinely didn’t hear a single person liking the face they went with when spiderman originally released.
Yeah I don’t get the mocap thing. Bubniak’s face moved perfectly well with Yuri’s performance…compare Bubniak’s face in the scene with Aunt May lying on her deathbed compared to Jordan’s
I would've loved to see that too, in a sequel whose story is better executed than what we got (meddled with by Sweet Baby Inc.) especially. Then I'd have two personal subjective 10/10 Spider-Man games to gush about instead of just one, plus a PS5. Haha. I mean, imagine the gameplay improvements they brought to 2, while the story is as well executed as the first with the darker tone they tried and failed to go for actually done well with plenty of through lines and interesting/impactful character moments, with all the verisimilitude of the original being not only left intact, but enhanced greatly. Heck, all that plus not doubling down on MJ's missions, and the cherry on top being keeping the original MJ face and getting rid of the self-insert one with at best shallow and vain reason for even being there, and I'd give the sequel an 11/10. I really wish that's the game we got, but sadly it never will be.
@@RoyHoy Your comment makes no sense 🤣 I didn’t say all white people look the same how do you even get that from my comment ? by that logic 2018 Peter looks the same as 2020 and that’s clearly not the case
As a guy who played spider man 2018 The new face model in 2020 was a shock But it slowly started to grow on me thanks to Spider Man Miles Morales And it grew on me completely when Spider Man 2 released
@@SomeRandomName460what was the point of your comment? Your acting like the dude said something insulting. All he said was “it wasn’t that serious & that’s his opinion. it looks like your fishing for an argument cause your got nothing better to do with your life. Just saying
Bro he spouted some bullshit and you say "it's his opinion" even tho the OC had an opinion and the dude your trying to protect went after them for their opinion
@@BiggusDekusthe point is that it's not serious like that. XD that isn't really a valid thing to add when the dude is simply sharing his opinion. How is that an opinion anyways? He's not sharing an opinion. Wrong context. You're the one making a pointless comment pointing out absolutely nothing.
@Luchux177 id say thats complete bs, because mo cap has been being done in high definition for people who look nothing like their characters for decades, but then again, its insomniac.
@@Kinetically616TTV it's been easily a decade since i've seen the show so grain of salt, but iirc they wrote off mitchel musso's character bc he was in legal trouble, so they brought in the other guy and explained that he was actually THEIR LONG LOST TRIPLET
@@drfish4964 ahh i see what you mean, i think he was just trying to compare just "changing" tbe main character but i def see ur point🤣 i hated pair of kings after they did that i never realized it was bc of legal troubles though
That is cap. The OG Peter look definitely showed way more emotion then the new look. Plus that’s what impacts the players even more because you can feel his pain.
Also he looked more like tired because he had been Spider-man for over 8 years by that point. I don't know about you, but I imagine being a supe like Spider-man being more stressful than being President of the US and you can see the difference in age for presidents before and after the 8 years are drastic
Dude tf are u talking about “cap” the first face had extremely stiff facial capture compared to the new one which looks way more fluid and emotional especially on spider man 2
i won’t lie i personally couldn’t care less. i think both faces look good but i see why people prefer the old one. i do think that people should be considerate when judging the character model’s faces, insulting their appearance, etc. because these are actual people’s faces they’re using
@@yassin.o.a8907 lol no he's not, first of all I could have been talking about the first game, in which he very definitely was only in his early 20s (23 to be exact) and even by the 2nd game he could still be considered in his early 20s, technically he's mid 20s (25 to be exact) but it's nothing worth correcting over, especially when you're wrong anyway
@@SuperAlfernAh yes. They should make it much harder for themselves because fans are complaining dispite not fully understanding the situation. What a smart decision!
My argument with his old face being better was because old Peter has a lot more expressions in his face. You can see when he’s happy, sad, angry, all of that. New Peter still, in Spider-Man 2, just dosent do it for me. I don’t feel the emotions coming out of him. Yuri’s voice acting is on point and I can feel the emotions, I just don’t see it
2018 Peter: tired, has trouble balancing Spider-Man and Peter Parker, can't do both. Looks like a train wreck waiting to happen. 2020 Peter: looks like a Middle Schooler that regularly get's his full 9 hours of sleep.
The new face works in Spider Man 2 because it was specifically made to work there. It’s use in the remaster wasn’t originally intended so that’s why it has way less expression than the original face.
Well that's what ten years of being Spider-Man would do to a person. There's no way in reality that Peter would retain that youthful look after a decade. In the original design he looks stressed and matured as he would in real life. In the first game he was 23 and in the sequel he was 25. The updated design looks no older than 19, maybe 20 if you're pushing it.
Insomniac Games lied to people about the reason why they changed the face. Yuri's facial performance is just a reference animators can pull from that requires hand adjustments anyway. It's never a direct 1:1 match with real life performances. Clean-up and adjustments are always needed.
They made the new Peter in 2020 look way too much like Tom Holland and the original face was perfect!! They squished it and now they need to… urnmm… un-squish it? What the devs should have done is consulted with the community using a poll, that would of been more appropriate.
I had issues with this too, BUT! Having now played Spiderman 2, I definitely love the change and see how emotion is showed more flawlessly. Now I really like the change.
I didn't played yet in MSM2, so I just hope that you are right. Because in first game (And in Morales's DLC too, in my opinion, just not SO bad) Peter's new face have less emotions than any regular stone on the road. I'm not even talking about the fact that the lights and shadows seems to be worse on it. The feeling that the face was pushed into the last hour before the deadline.
although i love bubniaks face in the first game, and i understand why people love him. I also like the one in the remaster, not right away ofc. but if u see actual pics of ben jordan online i thought he fit well with being peter. also i think he looks better in spiderman 2 than he did in the remaster, probably because they got to work on it a bit more and it was'nt just a sudden face change. though still wish it was his face to begin with or just keep bubniaks through the whole thing *OH AND HIS HAIR THEY SHOULD'VE CHANGED IT
The original face matched Yuri’s vocal performance much better in my opinion. Also with Pete having been Spider-Man for a few years at that rate; he shouldn’t look super young. He should look older.
@@importedposter4152 Yes, he's mid-twenties and has been Spider-Manning for years by that point. So he should look more mature, like he did in the PS4 game. He looked too young in the PS5 version and Miles Morales, but he looks okay in the new game.
@@paradoxinraindrops141 lmfao again, "mature" doesn't mean mid-thirties to mid-fourties. dude looked way too old in 2018. he looked like the right age in the remastered edition and looks pretty great in the new game
@@importedposter4152 Pete looked like a rough mid twenties in PS4, as he should have. In PS5 he looked way too young but as I've said, the new game looks fine with the new model.
I honestly don't mind the change. If that's the case, I've already played them first one with the new face, and the second one at this point, it's what it is.
In my opinion I think they should add a feature in game that let you choose which Peter Parker you want to Start your journy with the young one or the OG one.I think it will solve the problem for them and for us FANS Too.
The new Peter looks like he could play the role of flash Thompson . He looks like a wattpad hero with a monotonous smouldering expression. The older Peter looked like the average guy, literally what Peter Parker is supposed to be.
Google "Ultimate Spider-Man Peter Parker" that's basically what the old model was if he were an older version of that. Also, he had emotions that was expressive through his face.
New version looks way less uncanny and way more like peter parker. Also people dont realize hes not even 30 yet so him looking younger makes sense as you dont really start to look a good amount older till your early 30s(varies from person to person obviously)
Og Peter-face fits more. He looks older, rugged, and mature. Which in my opinion makes sense since he went through the science avenue for his educational career. And if you know people who went down that path, you can tell that they were drilled with several late nights studying. This new peter face, looks he’s still in school playing soccer.
What can I say? It was a perfect face for Peter Parker. He looked weathered, like he needed sleep, he looked 23, he looked his age, he looked average like how an everyday guy should, but he was still handsome enough to where you could see why girls like MJ would still like him. The new face immediately seemed like insomniac wanted him to look more like Tom Holland. Now he looks 18(at most), he looks like a young male model, he lost his everyday nothing special look, he no longer looks weathered or experienced, he looks the same age as miles, it looks like if Black Cat saw him under the mask she’d vomit knowing she slept with a kid. That being said, he never looked terrible or anything, it could’ve came out a lot worse. It’s not like he’s so handsome you can’t imagine anyone looking the way he does. It’s just a simple case of what came before was better than what was intended to be the upgrade, it does happen sometimes. If you’re a player like me who had to upgrade to the ps5 and will no longer play the ps4 version and no longer see it, then it does help to pretend like it never existed and not remind yourself of what was. I don’t hate the new face, especially in 2, he looks good. He just would’ve looked better with the old face, but if it had to be done, then it had to be done, and it’s for the best. Without the new face, there is no future for these games, so be it then.
2018 : Experienced, older, wiser Peter Parker
2020 : Shawn Mendes
NAHHH ANYTHING BUT SHAWN MENDES😭
He became Austin Reaves from the Lakers
tbf Peter is only 24. The redesign face is still too young looking.
@@Batman-xx4vvbootleg version of Tom Holland
Bro you look like updated Peter Parker foh 🤣
2018 Peter - Ultimate protagonist
2020 Peter - Everyone's little brother
He looks like tom holland mixed wit austin reeves
@@dl7283well it also depends on what comics you’re talking about because he’s at different ages and stages in a lot of them. I think generally people like the old face in these games more because it looks older and fits his character in this universe. This is a Pete who’s been doing this for a long time, is out of college and working in a lab, and has been through all of “young Pete’s losses and fought all his villains” so in my mind it just feels better for the story seeing him much older
Now that you mention it I think I like the old Peter better omg
2018 Peter: 40 year old
2020 Peter: 25 year old
I think you guys are fishing for an explanation as to why you don't like the new guy and I think you are wrong. If he was the original, I think you would be just as bothered if the John Bubniak model replaced him.
Though the new guy does look younger, that could have just fed into the innocence appeal of something like the soft-spoken Tobey Maguire portrayal. Tobey Maguire remains the favorite live action Peter of all time.
I think we are just familiar with the first Peter and we prefer him out of loyalty, respect and familiarity. We cannot convince ourselves that he is the same person without the same face. It is almost as though the face is the physical representation of the entire personality.
At the end of the day, I’m still grateful that they didn’t recast Yuri Lowenthal as his performance is just amazing as Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
Yes they should have definitely keeped Old Peter's face.
But you don’t see it most the time anyway
@@jasonguy1875no they shouldn't have
@@YourGenericJoshexactly when people associate this Peter Parker in Spider-Man with an actor they're going to go to the face they see who plays Peter Parker. So in reality it's less about Yuri and more about Ben Jordan
Please search into orthodoxy Jesus is the only way to heaven, just being a good person won’t get you there, while yes doing what God said is requiered. Search into orthodoxy afterwards but first read this. Before you read these next things i want you to know that christianity isn’t about worshiping some deity in the sky because you dont want to go to hell, it’s about a loving and friendly relationship with God. God loves us soooo much no one can understand it. God wants you to tell Him everything, because He is soooo loving. Altough He knows it all He wants you to trust Him and be honest with Him and listen to Him. So now that i told you this read these Bible verses (the word of God) knowing that i’m telling you this out of love and i want you to know it’s not too late to turn and repent and follow Christ❤️❤️❤️ „Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6 ESV Bible Repent from your sin (disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you WILL be saved. „If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9 ESV „No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” Luke 13:3 ESV „For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 ESV ❤️☦️
2018 face:- actually looks like a Peter been through a lot, his hair is messed up and looks more of a tired and accurate Peter
2020:-Shawn Mendes+the good doctor+Tom Holland
2018 Peter is my boy, shit don’t feel right seeing him like dat in the updated version
Same bro. Never got around to playing the remaster
@@LevelLiteXPthank god i got the old one and not the remaster
@@joseandres9689lol brokie
Have to replay it on ps5 to feel it
Get over it
2018 Peter felt so expressive and natural
2020 Peter feels like store brand Tom Holland
Not everything revolves around Tom Holland dude he’s not the best Spider-Man in all of his movies .. he’s the best Spider-Man for a few moments in the mcu but other than that he’s just ok
Holland is a weird fuck now too
@@Bat-talk
Hey really cool to reply to my comment without reading it 👍
What you just said has nothing to do with what I said.
I remember them saying that change was due to the new face resembling the current Spider-Man ,Tom Holland
by that argumwnt 2018 peter looks like dollar store andrew garfield. just get over it we’ve had the new face for longer at this poinf
@@swagman4hunna
I prefer Dollar store Garfield tbh
2018: emotion
2020: just a video game character
No hate but, wasn't 2018 also a video game character??
@@Arno_2112 yeah he was but not JUST a video game character
@@akhilnair2777respectfully, shut up brother
@@beezytea4250 whatever it's finally upon you...
@@akhilnair2777letting him talk to u like that is crazy
2018: wise, tough, mature superhero
2020: Selena Gomez's fan
I mean, you might see that as a downgrade, but…
I feel like he should've at least somewhat resembled him if he was going to look like he's in highschool. Even a younger version of Peter like the ultimate protagonist has a pretty specific type of dopey appearance
New parker is a lot more similar to a 15 yo boy on tiktok than anything else.
Lmao
OG Peter Parker probably would be a Selena Gomez fan, but in a fun way 😢
They both look like selena gomez fan’s lol
Peter 2018: Miles’s older mentor
Peter 2023: Miles’s younger cousin 💀
LMFAO 💀
lol that or hom tolland
No hate tho love the games
It’s weird cuz they made him look as old as Miles 😭
Yet MJ looks older 💀
Real lol
Miles' owner's younger cousin
Mary Jane looks older than him😭💀
I hope they change her she was so cute in PS4
@saikarthikachutuni4393 she was!!! But on the bright side we can attach new MJ wide jaw line to a pick up truck and shovel snow of New York city streets ❤
Not really they fixed his dace
@@saikarthikachutuni4393she oooks better here it’s e same face mode
@@bobstevemd3265bro what
That pair of kings reference still hurts man 😢
RIGHT?! 😭
2018 Peter is still alive in my heart 😭 Cuz I played through the whole story on the Ps4 version so I was there for him
Same
The best thing about the OG face was that it matched the Spider-Man/Peter Parker character in that world. Peter is an older, more experienced and mature Spider-Man. He’s been doing this for a while and they didn’t just show it with his superhero ability and knowhow, but you actually see it in his face, he actually looks like he’s in his mid-20s (25-26). The 2020 face made him look so much younger and different (like Tom Holland) (20-22) which was a little jarring. And it diminished his older mentor look a little bit.
Yes, god he looks like a teenager now, it's ridiculous, even for a teenager that face is too clean.
He looked too old. Hes supposed to be 25, he looked 30+. The new one looks 25. 25 year olds look like new Peter, unless they're smoking 40 a day and live on a sunbed.
@@leatherworkstationI don’t think he looked 30, his face seemed fit for being 23 or so. MJ in Spider-Man 2 on the other hand…she’s the prime example of looking too old
@celestialreaper6434 she looks like the scanned actor now, Stephanie Tyler Jones. She's 30, so that's how old MJ looks now I suppose.
I think people are underestimating how young people in their early 20s look.
@@leatherworkstation I'm not a fan of her new look as I think that she looks way too old for her voice and actual age imo. She's supposed to be around Peter's age, so I don't get why they made MJ look older while Peter looks much younger. Just my opinion, but I agree that Peter looks better in the Spider-Man 2 than in the remastered Spider-Man.
I understand why they changed it, but the 2018 face was just so natural and showed SOO much more emotion than the new one
No it didn't
True but they improved it in spider-man 2, I still miss John bubniaks look but the new one ain't that bad, he was only terrible in the remastered version
Don't say you understand when you don't know how mocap works. A lot of you just bought what they said because yall think it's the truth. Mocap works for ANY face. It isn't exclusive. You can tell which mocap looks better and more expressive and which does not. You don't need to know mocap to understand that. But to understand what they say when giving excuses like "next gen" and "better performace", they are straight bullshitting you. I boycotted Insomniac after they did that shady shit
@@cloudedout4237eh I say it did
@@tasmsinist3rsix664no one cares the old face looked constipated constantly.
I’ve gotten used to it at this point. But I hope in the future they add an option to change it back to the original face.
never gonna happen
If by “they” you mean PC modders, then yes, the face swap has already been done on the 1st game and will doubtless happen again for the 2nd when it comes to PC.
Remaster Peter looks fine to me, he looks likes he's in his early 20s in 2018 and mid 20s in spiderman 2.
Og Peter looks like he is pushing 30s in 2018
They recast the fish as well.
RAAAAAA WHEN WILL THEY LEARN !!!
#notmyfish
#notourfish
I actually love that the fisherman already had a fish on the line when Spider-Man threw him back😂
When their “under performing motion capture” character got approved and loved by almost everyone but they ditched him anyway lol
Well it was loved because you played a great game with him… i played the remastered and i had the same thing with the new one
I just replayed the ps4 version and i’m calling bs on the underperforming motion capture. If anything, it was better than the new one.
@@arpadszabo661The problem is that people believe it was actually "underperforming" just because Insomniac said so when they are different by a mile
@@arpadszabo661It wasn’t underperforming, it just took so much time and tinkering due to the differences in facial structure, they changed the face so that that time could be used on other stuff
@@arpadszabo661 Call bs every one got his own opinions am i right?
I love how everyone magically started loving the old face once they changed it. I genuinely didn’t hear a single person liking the face they went with when spiderman originally released.
Because no one needed to say anything. It wasn’t broken but they decided to fix it.
@@boygenius538_8 incorrect, I heard unilateral complaint when the game originally released.
@@alexanderburkhart4078I never heard one complaint. Provide evidence or your lying.
@@alexanderburkhart4078not a single person was complaining about his original face
@@sonic-bb wrong, but I won’t stop you from thinking that :)
2018: OG
2020: British teen
Mary Jane in Spider-man 2 looks like his aunt now 🤧
Aunt Jane
LMAOOO
No. She doesnt. Your just a goofball.
@@Jonrocks7found ourselves a Spider-Man 2 Stan.
@@fatmanjstyle5306 no, its just a completely incorrect statement.
Johns face fit yuri’s voice so well, what is insomniac on about ever time i here his voice all I can see is his old face
He said the facial capture like the mocap not his voice
cause thats the first thing you saw, first one I saw was Ben so thats what I see when I hear the voice
They also changed it because mj or yuris voice actor wanted someone younger
Yeah I don’t get the mocap thing. Bubniak’s face moved perfectly well with Yuri’s performance…compare Bubniak’s face in the scene with Aunt May lying on her deathbed compared to Jordan’s
Probably corporate wanted a Tom Holland look alike.
Forget his face, what'd they do to my boys peters hair
I’ve gotten used to it, besides, it looks really good when you compare it to the games teenage version of Peter in flashbacks.
Oh man, 2018 Peter felt so much more expressive. I would have loved to see him under the symbiote's influence
He'd be a pretty sweet villian, I agree!
I thought this from the get go. It’s the same expression every cutscene for the 2020 model
I would've loved to see that too, in a sequel whose story is better executed than what we got (meddled with by Sweet Baby Inc.) especially. Then I'd have two personal subjective 10/10 Spider-Man games to gush about instead of just one, plus a PS5. Haha.
I mean, imagine the gameplay improvements they brought to 2, while the story is as well executed as the first with the darker tone they tried and failed to go for actually done well with plenty of through lines and interesting/impactful character moments, with all the verisimilitude of the original being not only left intact, but enhanced greatly. Heck, all that plus not doubling down on MJ's missions, and the cherry on top being keeping the original MJ face and getting rid of the self-insert one with at best shallow and vain reason for even being there, and I'd give the sequel an 11/10. I really wish that's the game we got, but sadly it never will be.
@@mikeexits It's okay, at least we got a game and the story was pretty great as well!
Are you blind and deaf? 2018 looks like shit and he literally said that the new charachter model was MORE expressive....
2018 : Peter Parker
2020 : Hom Tolland
Well I am fan of tom Spidey but it's ok
😂
@@__M7MDHe looked like Andrew Garfield, not as original as people think.
Not all White people look the same
@@RoyHoy
Your comment makes no sense 🤣 I didn’t say all white people look the same how do you even get that from my comment ? by that logic 2018 Peter looks the same as 2020 and that’s clearly not the case
There was so much more emotion in OG peter face so when it came to those impactful sceans it felt so much more emotional
"Hiding a big secret from its fans"
"It didn't exactly go unnoticed"
God i miss 2018 Peter so much. Actually looks like an iconic new PlayStation icon
Bro ik this isn’t related but pair of kings really did fall off when the new guy showed up
literally
When disney was family oriented
It was such a great show and I couldn't watch the last season cause it was sooooo bad
It really did, and when the other one had to leave because he got arrested or some shit
@@FrostTrickz84Mitchel musso got a dui and absolutely decimated his career. Dude just got popped again for having like 5 warrants
As a guy who played spider man 2018
The new face model in 2020 was a shock
But it slowly started to grow on me thanks to Spider Man Miles Morales
And it grew on me completely when Spider Man 2 released
Even the symbiote scenes would’ve been so much more dramatic and scary with the OG face
2018 is Andrew Garfield and PS5 version is Tom Holland
more like Hom Tolland
Nine millionth comment saying the exact same thing.
maybe ill get my Toby the 3rd time
It’s a damn face in a video game get over it
@@KGTsmvegaswhat an ignorant comment
Yea it’s weirder even now cuz mj looks so much older. The carnival mission looked like mj was taking her nephews out to play.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 lmao
Lol I just finished that mission last night too
Ya. I had to pause the game there. Damn pirn hub logo popped up and my wife got passed. 😅😂
get over it maybe?
I remember everyone that this peter has 25 years old, the peter of 2018 looks like 40 year old
As a person that played only the ps5 version I see it as an absolute win 🏆 🎉
John Bubniaks will always be the Only Imsoniac Peter for Me💪.
It’s not that serious
@@Keolas_multiverseall he did was state his opinion... You're taking this too serious.
@@SomeRandomName460what was the point of your comment?
Your acting like the dude said something insulting. All he said was “it wasn’t that serious & that’s his opinion.
it looks like your fishing for an argument cause your got nothing better to do with your life. Just saying
Bro he spouted some bullshit and you say "it's his opinion" even tho the OC had an opinion and the dude your trying to protect went after them for their opinion
@@BiggusDekusthe point is that it's not serious like that. XD that isn't really a valid thing to add when the dude is simply sharing his opinion. How is that an opinion anyways? He's not sharing an opinion. Wrong context. You're the one making a pointless comment pointing out absolutely nothing.
That can’t be their actual excuse, Bubniak’s face was perfectly fine
Yeah it's more likely Disney wanted involvement in the game so they made them change the face similar to Tom Holland
From what I heard, the LipSync in the old face completely broke and had to find a different face to better match Yuri Lowenthal
@Luchux177 id say thats complete bs, because mo cap has been being done in high definition for people who look nothing like their characters for decades, but then again, its insomniac.
@@Luchux177that’s fucking bssss. Bubniaks was 10x more emotional and expressive compared to 3 emotions discount Tom holland
@@Luchux177why the fuck is a 52 year old man voice acting a 20 year old anyways. Not that i want him out of work i just dont understand it.
I'm gonna be honest the old one looked like he could barely keep his eyes open 24/7
New Peter fits perfectly
Are we just going to ignore the Pair of Kings footage 😭
He was making an example of when changing the main characters breaks immersion, or in pair of kings case, just ruins the show.
it's such a random comparison and isn't even a straight recast, i have to believe he was just itching to reference pair of kings 😭
@@drfish4964 wdym? What wasnt a straight recast?
@@Kinetically616TTV it's been easily a decade since i've seen the show so grain of salt, but iirc they wrote off mitchel musso's character bc he was in legal trouble, so they brought in the other guy and explained that he was actually THEIR LONG LOST TRIPLET
@@drfish4964 ahh i see what you mean, i think he was just trying to compare just "changing" tbe main character but i def see ur point🤣 i hated pair of kings after they did that i never realized it was bc of legal troubles though
That is cap. The OG Peter look definitely showed way more emotion then the new look. Plus that’s what impacts the players even more because you can feel his pain.
I like the look more just because 2018 seems a tad too old but that might just me
but 2020 was so stiff expression wise
Also he looked more like tired because he had been Spider-man for over 8 years by that point. I don't know about you, but I imagine being a supe like Spider-man being more stressful than being President of the US and you can see the difference in age for presidents before and after the 8 years are drastic
You knew!
Dude tf are u talking about “cap” the first face had extremely stiff facial capture compared to the new one which looks way more fluid and emotional especially on spider man 2
The way Yuri explained it was perfect; Get over it! 😂
I like how you called it a “secret”, that was funny
i won’t lie i personally couldn’t care less. i think both faces look good but i see why people prefer the old one. i do think that people should be considerate when judging the character model’s faces, insulting their appearance, etc. because these are actual people’s faces they’re using
I like the face of the old model, but the hair on the new one looks pretty cool
OG Peter’s face looks like Harry in Spider-Man 2
Honestly I like Peter looking younger, especially considering he is only in his early 20s
Bro what he is 26 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@yassin.o.a8907 lol no he's not, first of all I could have been talking about the first game, in which he very definitely was only in his early 20s (23 to be exact) and even by the 2nd game he could still be considered in his early 20s, technically he's mid 20s (25 to be exact) but it's nothing worth correcting over, especially when you're wrong anyway
@@yassin.o.a8907 23 in sm1
The Pair of Kings clips gave me a huge throwback to when I was 10-11 years old. Man, that was so long ago. Missed watching those kind of shows.
Same
That show was goated
That's a bunch of BS, John's motion capture was perfect for the motion capture
Probably not literally what they meant is it would be a lot harder to do with jonhs face capture they would ah e to tweak it
Well get over it and get used to it. Cuz it’s not gonna change anytime soon
@_AKAHayden_ So, laziness?
@@SuperAlfernAh yes. They should make it much harder for themselves because fans are complaining dispite not fully understanding the situation. What a smart decision!
@@NutmastergiganiggaLike a "better matching face" don't defeat the whole purpose of mocap
Whenever Peter has his mask on, I still picture the OG Peter and whenever MJ is talking to someone on the phone, I invision the OG MJ
After playing spider man 2, Ben Jordan’s face model actually looks a lot better than it did in the ps5 remake and miles morales.
Ironic that the 2018 version has better facial expression than the Remastered version.
My argument with his old face being better was because old Peter has a lot more expressions in his face. You can see when he’s happy, sad, angry, all of that. New Peter still, in Spider-Man 2, just dosent do it for me. I don’t feel the emotions coming out of him. Yuri’s voice acting is on point and I can feel the emotions, I just don’t see it
Same.
Bro same.
Bro same.
2018 Peter: tired, has trouble balancing Spider-Man and Peter Parker, can't do both. Looks like a train wreck waiting to happen.
2020 Peter: looks like a Middle Schooler that regularly get's his full 9 hours of sleep.
The older face was also much easier on the eyes. In Marvel's Spider-Man 2 they improved on Ben Jordan's face model however he still looks odd looking.
The new face works in Spider Man 2 because it was specifically made to work there. It’s use in the remaster wasn’t originally intended so that’s why it has way less expression than the original face.
yeah I mean if they redid the animations properly it probably would've worked xD
The old Peter always looked like he was about to cry
Well that's what ten years of being Spider-Man would do to a person. There's no way in reality that Peter would retain that youthful look after a decade. In the original design he looks stressed and matured as he would in real life. In the first game he was 23 and in the sequel he was 25. The updated design looks no older than 19, maybe 20 if you're pushing it.
And this one looks like he is always smiling
Pair of kings. It WAS a good show.
when i look at og peter i get so nostalgic...
Insomniac Games lied to people about the reason why they changed the face. Yuri's facial performance is just a reference animators can pull from that requires hand adjustments anyway. It's never a direct 1:1 match with real life performances. Clean-up and adjustments are always needed.
Also face #1 looks more like Yuri than face #2.
@@frenchfriedbagel7035no it doesn’t 💀💀
@@quidproque76 yes it does.
@@frenchfriedbagel7035no it doesn’t
@@Thegoatisherefax yes it does.
They made the new Peter in 2020 look way too much like Tom Holland and the original face was perfect!! They squished it and now they need to… urnmm… un-squish it? What the devs should have done is consulted with the community using a poll, that would of been more appropriate.
I honestly can’t get the og face out of my head when I hear his voice so it’s definitely jarring for me
Dont watch the face,watch the hands-Peter B.Parker
2018 is and always will be the perfect face model
Eh, I beg to differ but I digress
Disagree
I had issues with this too, BUT! Having now played Spiderman 2, I definitely love the change and see how emotion is showed more flawlessly. Now I really like the change.
Whatever works for you.
But it didn't work for me
I didn't played yet in MSM2, so I just hope that you are right. Because in first game (And in Morales's DLC too, in my opinion, just not SO bad) Peter's new face have less emotions than any regular stone on the road. I'm not even talking about the fact that the lights and shadows seems to be worse on it. The feeling that the face was pushed into the last hour before the deadline.
@@2DandyK well, if there's any good news from my last comment. I downloaded Spiderman PS4, with the original Peter Parker face.
I miss old Peter too but this one is good for now
they should've kept MJ's original face.
She just has her Hair down it’s the same face model you guys are fucking weird..
I like the new Peter better, but i a hate the new MJ
Edit: 2 days later I don’t see a difference. I’M WEIRD
@@GachaLightProductionsthis is what I will show people when they say no opinion is wrong
I don't remember her face quite well but she seemed chubbier in spiderman 1 in my opinion she looks better in 2
Guys….IT’S THE SAME DAMN FACE MODEL
2018 Peter felt like a new Peter. 2020 Peter looked like Tom holland
Tom wishes his Spider-Man was on the same level as Insomniac's
Im not gonna lie, the old model looked like he was just about to cry. Didnt even notice til the new one came along
Insomniac should've kept Peter Parker's 2018 face appearance
2018 Peter will always be my favorite version of the character
although i love bubniaks face in the first game, and i understand why people love him. I also like the one in the remaster, not right away ofc. but if u see actual pics of ben jordan online i thought he fit well with being peter. also i think he looks better in spiderman 2 than he did in the remaster, probably because they got to work on it a bit more and it was'nt just a sudden face change. though still wish it was his face to begin with or just keep bubniaks through the whole thing
*OH AND HIS HAIR THEY SHOULD'VE CHANGED IT
The original face matched Yuri’s vocal performance much better in my opinion. Also with Pete having been Spider-Man for a few years at that rate; he shouldn’t look super young. He should look older.
@@paradoxinraindrops141 "older" does not mean mid-thirties to mid-fourties. he's early twenties, dude, and the new face matches way better
@@importedposter4152 Yes, he's mid-twenties and has been Spider-Manning for years by that point. So he should look more mature, like he did in the PS4 game. He looked too young in the PS5 version and Miles Morales, but he looks okay in the new game.
@@paradoxinraindrops141 lmfao again, "mature" doesn't mean mid-thirties to mid-fourties. dude looked way too old in 2018. he looked like the right age in the remastered edition and looks pretty great in the new game
@@importedposter4152 Pete looked like a rough mid twenties in PS4, as he should have. In PS5 he looked way too young but as I've said, the new game looks fine with the new model.
Kinda wished he still had the OG face
I honestly don't mind the change. If that's the case, I've already played them first one with the new face, and the second one at this point, it's what it is.
Now that the game is out now, I believe the face change was the right way to go
I miss the old face, it’s hard to replace after you watch it on your first play through… the memories !
I didn’t notice a difference personally, I’m just glad we got a fun game 👌🗿
His face in Spider-Man 2 looked great ngl
In my opinion I think they should add a feature in game that let you choose which Peter Parker you want to Start your journy with the young one or the OG one.I think it will solve the problem for them and for us FANS Too.
Too much work tbh
@@omarbadawi880nah, they did it with the remaster
One Man with a mod did this job when the game was released on PC
@@eugene212Are there any mods for the PS5?
@@wolkernina7922No you can't mod your PS5 unfortunately.
2018 Peter was the GOAT. Miss that man
he still is, just different face model.
@yanduro3434 2018 Peter face was the GOAT
I feel like the new Peter showed WAY less emotion in his faces. Even when he was mad or sad there was just nothing there
That’s why it “easier to use his face”
Exactly. The old face model's eyes conveyed way more emotion
Glad to see people haven't forgotten about this. Greatest and only major mistake insomniac made with their Spider-Man games
The new Peter looks like he could play the role of flash Thompson . He looks like a wattpad hero with a monotonous smouldering expression. The older Peter looked like the average guy, literally what Peter Parker is supposed to be.
man i really wished they gave you an option in the settings to swap the faces
There is but you got to pay for it. Insomniac did.
@@joegardner851when!
Get over it
Google "Ultimate Spider-Man Peter Parker" that's basically what the old model was if he were an older version of that. Also, he had emotions that was expressive through his face.
New version looks way less uncanny and way more like peter parker. Also people dont realize hes not even 30 yet so him looking younger makes sense as you dont really start to look a good amount older till your early 30s(varies from person to person obviously)
2018 looks like a mixture of all 3
Spider-Men actors
2020 looks like a weird mix of Tom and Andrew
everyone aged
and he became younger
bro 25 still young 😑
@@yanduro3434 bro do you not get it? I said he looked older in the first game
I haven't said he is old
Peter in ps4: serious guy whos working a part tine job to save the city
Peter in 2020-present: *FREAKING TOM HOLLAND*
this face has grown on me since spiderman 2, although peter looks really young still
yea old peter was so kool looking
Ben Jordan looks like a discount Tom Holland
Honestly, I used to hate the switch, but replaying 1 and playing 2, it really grew on me.
2018 gave me sleep deprived vibes, which matches the life Peter Parker was living. 2020 looks too well rested, as if he just joined high school
Og Peter-face fits more. He looks older, rugged, and mature. Which in my opinion makes sense since he went through the science avenue for his educational career. And if you know people who went down that path, you can tell that they were drilled with several late nights studying. This new peter face, looks he’s still in school playing soccer.
I think the voice fits his face better in the PS4 as well.
What can I say? It was a perfect face for Peter Parker. He looked weathered, like he needed sleep, he looked 23, he looked his age, he looked average like how an everyday guy should, but he was still handsome enough to where you could see why girls like MJ would still like him. The new face immediately seemed like insomniac wanted him to look more like Tom Holland. Now he looks 18(at most), he looks like a young male model, he lost his everyday nothing special look, he no longer looks weathered or experienced, he looks the same age as miles, it looks like if Black Cat saw him under the mask she’d vomit knowing she slept with a kid. That being said, he never looked terrible or anything, it could’ve came out a lot worse. It’s not like he’s so handsome you can’t imagine anyone looking the way he does. It’s just a simple case of what came before was better than what was intended to be the upgrade, it does happen sometimes. If you’re a player like me who had to upgrade to the ps5 and will no longer play the ps4 version and no longer see it, then it does help to pretend like it never existed and not remind yourself of what was. I don’t hate the new face, especially in 2, he looks good. He just would’ve looked better with the old face, but if it had to be done, then it had to be done, and it’s for the best. Without the new face, there is no future for these games, so be it then.
His original face was so much better and despite what the creators say, was more befitting of the character
Many people says that the original was better because he seemed older, but I just want to remind everyone Peter was 23 in the first game
2018 peter: expressive, emotive, looks tired af as someone trying to live a double life would, perfect peter parker
2020 peter: slimecicle