Myles Garrett can argue Mason Rudolph isn't innocent in his appeal - Stephen A. | First Take
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2019
- Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and Will Cain debate whether Pittsburgh Steelers QB Mason Rudolph should have been suspended by the NFL for his role in the fight with Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett.
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Remember when Stephen A was criticizing max for saying that Rudolph was partially accountable........
No I don’t. I remember him saying it’s no excuse. Which it’s not. Unless you think Darren Wilson and Zimmerman we’re justified in their use of excessive force too?
GOATZEL WARD BANDWAGON 😂😂😂 yep
@@maxatthecookout3773 I get what ur saying, but that's a terrible analogy 😂
Go back & watch it again Bc you’re pretty far off
He’s said multiple times that mason should be punished during tht segment
Max’s argument made him come across like “so what tht mason swing the man’s helmet at him.”
Funny how that changed. Reasonable people were saying this from the jump.
Max sarcasm is on point "dont call a passing play when ur down a million points that's ur fault" 😂😂😂
Not only do they call a passing play the call screen pass and don’t even protect the QB.
@@nikhilshetty007 facts it was just stupid all together just take a knee game over
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you can say that about Garret too. you did't need to tackle him and pull him down with 10 sec left up by 2 td.
@@agentorange8530 doing his job
I thought Stephen A was going in on Max the other day for saying Rudolph instigated and escalated the situation by grabbing Myles helmet first.... Stephen changes his mind like the seasons
Well more video details are coming out.
Max’s argument was coming across as if Mason wanted to be hit and excusing Myles for his poor choice in actions
lightningjuniorsuper
Well if you charge at a 270 lbs DE whilst grabbing his crutch amidst him being restrained you just might get your head smashed
@@RockJay2NayMe Please!
The so-called "video details" were there at the outset.
Too many ignorant minds were too overwhelmed by Garret's righteous response with the helmet.
The QB was cowardly and WRONGLY pursuing to attack a RESTRAINED man.
Said RESTRAINED man would be foolish to suppress the natural urge of self-defense, and not beat back the attacker ... even with a helmet.
We all saw the punches and kicks one of the cowardly attacking Pirates landed on the RESTRAINED Garret?
So to the RESTRAINED Garrets credit, he made sure that he was punched and kick by one Pirate instead of two.
@@nirbija We're on the same page. Great.
NFL: kicking in groin doesn’t deserve a suspension.
Draymond Green: I choose the wrong sport.
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@@paulf.84
2 L's for you.
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Max you’re the only one speaking truth on this matter.
Mad strange that Max has been the voice of reason in this and the Kaepernick situation.
I don’t like her but molly was speaking truth too
@@final701 he is😂..Max sides with blks anytime there's a debate about a BLK person
Dc TheRapper trying to double like this comment
Max is a clown you getting sold by a jew
Mason: yall suspend me.... I’m calling the police 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
BHRTHEMOB 😂😂😂
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Basically!
Man I really hope he does, cause when you attack a guy in the street and he’s holding a helmet and he uses it to defend himself, who’s going to jail? Would love to see the look on Mason Rudolph dumb face when he realises he’s the one being arrested and he’s the one being charged with assault.
BHRTHEMOB it would help the Steelers if he was suspended
Mason Rudolph went from fake tough guy to innocent victim real quick
Typical
Thats wht usually happens 💯
Privlage
@M D lol I'm not even gonna edit it cause its hilarious.
What did Myles Garrett go from .. to then??
"For every action, there's a equal or greater reaction"
You just totally messed up that quote. It's "an equal and opposite reaction"
@@MrBigtime2 I think he did so on purpose.
Max is overcompensating for everyone else being blind.
Max is lying for tv ratings. That's obvious. He don't believe this bs
Max is supposed to be a devil’s advocate to Stephen A.’s opinion for ratings. He was right but almost to a fault these past few days.
Max has a good sensible head on him. At first when I saw the video I initially thought Rudolph should be suspended because he initiated the fight, and further went after Garrett without a helmet while Garrett has two Olinemen pushing him back. The gut check here is “does the success of the violation have any affect to the bearing of the situation?”
So since Rudolph got hit the league is more “he got his punishment” where as if Rudolph didn’t get hit he’d most likely get a suspension too.
The league knows it’s all bad PR so it’s a perfect Quid pro quo situation.
Max has been right about this situation since day 1 of it happening
Schnell But I think the issue is... there would be no “success of the violation” if Rudolph didn’t initiate and then further escalate the situation by charging at him. If he would’ve stayed collected, like most QBs do, none of this would’ve happened.
can whoever edits these videos not cut people off midsentence
Cut it off at the best part
that doesn't take editing, that takes removing molly from the program
They did us a favor
These you tube clips can only be a certain amou...
No because then we won’t have reason to go buy ESPN+ lol
Molly be like: “I wore a helmet once”
Luke Gramith LOL forreal!! Like why is she there?? She said absolutely nothing about the topic at hand. Like at least put a woman in there that knows what she’s talking about.
Molly is what would be referred to in the U.K. 🇬🇧 as a complete “helmet” 🤦♂️
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Tyler Hildibrand because shes hot and the main reason I watch
407Movement Beats shes a solid 10 IMO
Max Is absolutely correct on this one 1000%
@Derelict1 yup especially with the punch and swing analogy. It’s funny how him and mcginest was only ones calling mason on carpet but now even Stephen a changed his tune
They both ripped off helmet but Garrett swung the helmet and connected
NOT!
Like will said nobody gets a suspension until Myles uses a helment as a weapon. That's as clear as day.
@@richardgadson8572 No, they both didn't rip off a helmet -- only Garret did. And he's the one that swung with force at a quarterback's head -- a QB who has already been knocked out by an illegal hit this year. Moreover, Garrett has a history of dirty plays in his short history in the NFL.
I’m with max on this
Great mentality you got there.
Max speaks facts on this one
Trapecio Tendencies and if you go out and act on Max’s “facts” you would catch a felony charge you heathen
It’s simple, what Rudolph did was know where near what Garrett did, Rudolph should get a game though
Brandon Harper “he started it”-George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson
It's like a school fight everyone gets in trouble no matter what
Max isn’t saying Garret is innocent he just say Rudolph ain’t either 😂
It’s unfortunate but in school fights both starter and the one retaliating get the same punishment
Stands to reason that the boxing analyst would have this right.
It stands to reason that the boxing analyst should stick to analyzing boxing. Garrett ripped off a helmet and used it as a weapon. That is the only thing that matters in this case.
Joe Terzio Ummmm That’s literally not how this works at all. But nice try bud...
luis Hernandez it’s pretty simple. If you haven’t even taken a punch you don’t bash another persons skull. Unless you’re a savage.
@@maxatthecookout3773 ok jackass let someone rush you not knowing what they capable of,and knock you out cold. If you're defending yourself you don't wait to get hit first asshole. Rushing someone is the same as them swinging at you 1st ok
Percy Sykes Tell em!!! These people probably will never know how to actually defend themselves in real life
NOW Stephen A wanna hold Mason accountable. Jesus Christ 🤦🏽♂️ I know Max had to be irritated
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Max kellerman, yes there’s a difference between attempting something and succeeding, that’s why in law you’re not charged with murder if you’re unsuccessful in killing someone you’re charged with ATTEMPTED murder...
Suarez TheSculptor what about attempting to put his helmet back on for him
Max has this on LOCKK!!! Every segment he been right !!! 😭😭
Shaif Oemed 100% disagree. He have been so wrong on many things im amazed.
Most felons who would do savage things like this would agree
@@Alvicado on this subject he's been right the whole time ? I cant believe you see otherwise lol
No violence or fight occurred until Myles hit a man with a weapon.
Shaif Oemed of course he have been wrong on this. Like when he acted like it was not a big deal bashing a freaking helmet towards someones head. The only thing hes been right about is that the other guys deserves something BC he started it.
Mason Rudolph admitted that the fight is his fault
I saw that when it happened. It was pretty weird from two guys that are usually pretty normal.
Max out here defending black brothers till the death and turning on his own race. Man is really tryna get invited to the cookout
Nah he's invited
Raven Craw thanks for accepting me. I can’t wait to have you serve me food.
LVG's Red Army 😂😂😂
As a browns fan ten years ago Myles would've cemented his place in my heart
Lites Out0_o the league was different back then
Another classy Browns fan.
Im not even a browns fan and miles garret cemented his place in my heart. These QB's think theyre gods gift and cant be touched! Until they get clobbered by their helmet atleast
I'm a Browns fan and he's cemented 100% in my heart. I'm ok with the suspension but Mason Rudolph deserves 2 games also at least.
Bobby Daniel yessir and were still making the playoffs our schedule is easy peasy 😂😂 if we lose its still a win bc its gonna push us next year
If the roles were reversed, I wonder if people would try to defend Rudolph for swinging his helmet and connecting on Garrett🤔
Carmelo heso jello my favorite color yellow Anthony I don’t think people’s feelings would’ve changed but one could argue that Rudolph may be more believable since Garret has at least 150+ lbs on Mason
There's no reason to try and swing at someone with a Helmut in the first place... You are playing a game idiots....
Kenny my point in why people are trying to defend Garrett
Jack12today he should get a game but what mason did doesn’t justify what Garrett did
You're exactly right, if the roles were reversed they'd be trying to get Rudolph kicked out of the NFL.
I love Max 😂. He’s the only one making sense!
💯... On this AND the Kaepernick situation.
nah he's the only dumbass in the room as always
SAS just signed a 8 million a year contract. He's not gonna ruffle any feathers any time soon.
10GALLEN81 it’s not about how much he gets paid, it’s about an issue. People should care how others feels about them no matter what, but it’s about a serious issue is all.
He literally takes the opposing side just to make a show. There is no way he actually believes the b.s he is saying, it's a role.
Will Cain needs to be on more often. His point is super valid. And the right point.
Both men are 6'5, Myles has him by 30lbs, but dont make Mason out to be Doug Flutie.
Rudolph trash bro just stop. Youre disrespecting Doug flutie
@@worldwidereek Nah I wasn't. Was talking about Flutie's height. They act like Myles wrecked a small dude. Masons a big boy, he knew what he was stepping up to.
@@chadog900 myles has more than 30 pounds on dude lol
@@jeffreysharp2190 Myles: 271, Mason 235. 30-40 lbs. Mason must've had a concussion before that, only explanation for stepping up to a straight up beast who had your helmet in his hand.
@@chadog900 he would terrorize Rudolph on the field and off. He'd ragdoll that white boy same way he yanked his helmet off and cracked him with it.
I agree, Mason should’ve been suspended for A) trying to take his helmet off B) going after Garrett
Rudolph should be suspended. He reached for the helmet first and failed. He then could've ended it there but no. He escalated the situation and came at Garrett anyways. Regardless of what Garrett did Rudolph deserves punishment worse than just a fine that's pocket change to these players.
3400+% larger fine for Garrett, which doesn't take any loss of game time into the equation.
Garrett started it with a late hit then taunting. Mason was just defending himself
Ty Nao how is it late if he wrapped him up immediately and he was unprotected so he had a straight line to the guy that’s what he’s supposed to do
@@tynao2029 Garrett was already in motion for the hit before Rudolph threw the ball. Watch the play. There was no stopping that momentum.
@@AkamexAris1023 Typical shitsburgh fans making excuses for a clean hit when your team had 2 of the dirtiest players in the game Harrson and Hines Ward
Entitlement: the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
One guy started it, one guy chased it and continued to fan the flames (hiding behind a lineman).
Then when he got what he wanted he didn’t respond to being struck in rage, anger, fighting back. He immediately turns around expecting a penalty coming his way. Expecting authority to save him from further repercussions. So, see above definition.
Imagine being entitled enough to bludgeon a skull with a blunt object before even taking a punch and not getting arrested. I implore you to try it out on your own and share the results with all of us.
@@maxatthecookout3773 why would you let someone hit you before you defend yourself. it was obvious mason didn't have intentions of walking away from the confrontation he started that could've harmed Garrett. he literally did the opposite and ran back to continue it. Myles Garrett is getting held back by 2 of mason's teammates and mason runs up on him. he broke no laws in Ohio so idk what was mason's defense going to be in legal actions. NFL rules are different though.
Wow Max got absolutely DESTROYED by Will
Max... in another clip from last week, you literally said that taking off an opponent's helmet, in and of itself, is already in the rulebook for a 15 yard penalty and an ejection, but does not warrant a suspension (in defense of Myles Garrett up until he swung it).
Now, you're saying that Mason Rudolph should have been suspended for at least a game for doing that very same thing. You're killing me, man.
Max: “if you throw a punch and I throw a punch but mine connects”
Max = Rocky Balboa
mason never tried to kill Myles
Agreed
@@tynao2029 it is a fight. Rudolph should not have started it.
@@yvettegrier3643 Myles started it with a late hit
@@yvettegrier3643 BTW blacks started slavery too so why are you crying about slavery if you started it and not white people?
Not only did Rudolph try to twist of Garrets head, he REPEATEDLY kicked him in the nuts! AND let's face it, there's only one reason why they went so light on Rudolph...cause he's got the complexion for the protection.
We're going racist as usual... It's QB protection... they are basically women today. Just ask Jack Lambert: "Dress them up in skirts". Had RW3 or Action Jackson been in Mason Rudolph's spot conducting the same actions, they too would not be suspended.
It’s so annoying to see people say this is QB protection. How many starting black QB’s do you see in the league? The NFL is only up for protecting the interests of the owners and their white players and fans...
@@n_a8917 ....care to elaborate?
Best part about this video is that it cuts off right as Molly is trying to interject with a question! LOL!
If Garrett never swings his helmet, who gets suspended?
Nobody
Molly: Snapped His Neck
Me: Somebody Fire This Trick
Will Cain was the real Trick at this table...
Can't stand molly, she always has to say something. Shut up, and do your job. You're a moderator not a debater. Get your own show... like clock work she does it everyday. Just shut up. Almost worse than how stupid Max sounds....
@@Na-eo1gx
Exactly
Lavar go away TRICK
@@deangelovickers4285 you say max sounds stupid, but the entire thing is Rudolphs fault.
"Mason Rudolph tries to yank off Myles Garrett.... 's helmet."
John Yohan Kim which helmet? 😏
John Yohan Kim it looked like he was just trying to hold it down to me
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Stephen A Smith hairline is actually a result of instant karma due to his constant flip flopping
Max made this point the first day SAS screamed over max and said don’t bring up Mason Rudolph DISLIKE
Hey ESPN can y'all stop cutting off Max in the middle of his good points for CZcams videos
Can't tell what topic is more annoying. This or anything related to Colin Kaepernick.
Kapernick
If only the NFL would just fall off the face of the Earth 🤦🏾♂️
Back of The BUS oh no do you also think the earth is flat lol
Danny Pineda Nah bruh... that was a figure of speech
This is honestly the best I have seen
I like that they don't yell when talking
Self defense would absolutely hold up in a court of law for Myle's
hahahahahaha
Ain’t that what max said??
It's exactly what Max said! Stephen A is a clown
I applaud 👏🏾Molly, she was going through it trying not to say anything! Tapping her fingers, twisting her lips, holding her jacket(Jalan told me not to say anything but here I go) big breath of relief when she can finally interrupt!😂😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Edit: And crack a joke, that was relevant! Go Molly🎊🎉
The picture on screen is hilarious.
Why they doing mason Rudolph like that in the thumbnail
C Cab he's creepy
Steelers need to get rid of Mason Rudolph. That's it.
mmm... I think the NFL got it right, Garret gets the suspension for swinging the helmet, Pooncy and the other steelers guy get suspended for punching and kicking and Rudolph gets a heavy fine for starting the situation. Cain is right up until the helmet is swung the only thing happening to all those guys is maybe fines....
thank god they cut the clip before molly starts interrupting and providing her two cents
Man everyone gets 1 game, let’s play football.
We still talking abt this?
Until the next helmet swing 😒
His court hearing about Thursday night is today
Steven Hayden there’s only so much that they can talk abt it ain’t even that hard to talk abt now they just saying the same stuff
Let's shift gears to a new topic then since you aren't happy......LEBRONNNNN JAMES!!!!!!!!! Did his performance last night validate him as the runaway MVP and goat???
@@kimstuart7989...🤣🤣🤣
6:53 we all know Stephen A's iPad password
This is how you encourage bullies. You suspend three people involved, but not the guy who started it.
M.G was like this dude M.R crazy..running up with no helmet on...M.G was scared for his life
You're witless.
@@joeterzio7175 the entire thing is Rudolphs fault. Simple.
I got a plate of fish and spaghetti for Max. He's been on it the last few segments.
Ashlee Abraham yes cook for me. I’m your white savior.
@@maxatthecookout3773 I'm good luv, enjoy.
@Thor the Viking It's clear you see everything in black and white. I agreed with what he said. There was not one mention of race in my statement. You took a light-hearted statement and made into whatever bullshit you wanted it to be. Do you agree with what he said or nah? State that answer and keep it pushing. Plus, it sounds like you're mad no one invited you to their cookout. Maybe if you treated fellow folks with common decency you would get an invite.
Facts....
Ashlee Abraham geez that thor guy is wack
The more Max Kellerman explains his position on this. The more holes he digs himself into
Why does it feel like Max is the only one that sees this entire situation without race. Simply bit by bit every action which transfers context to the next action taken. I really appreciate that from somebody at ESPN.
I've been saying the same thing as Max is saying. Suspend Rudolph!
Stephen sound like a sales man, the qb got what he was asking for
Rudolph precipitates and escalates the situation . But for Rudolph, nothing would’ve happened. He should compensate his teammates who were suspended and fined for his lack of leadership and judgment.
0:34 good save.. 🤣
Will just changed his answer to suit his argument . Max caught him
So he’s gonna invoke the George Zimmerman defense?
Squanchy Digs Your Squanch gonna need your proof that will “agreed with Zimmermans actions” that’s quite an accusation
JudgeBullShit he’s not “picking” white players bro. Max is literally making the George Zimmerman/Darren Wilson argument.
JudgeBullShit wait what?
Max at the Cookout except Zimmerman perused Trevon, not the other way around. Zimmerman started it and then killed Trevon. Mason started it, Myles used excessive force as a response.
100 OVR Batman Bron I don’t know whether that’s a fact or not. I’m pointing out that the woke apologists like Max arguing that Garret was provoked are doing the same thing that people did for Zimmerman and Darren Wilson. Pursuit is also a far cry from physical violence.
Thanks for cutting off Molly at the end ESPN editing team!
3:10 Maybe the best thing molly ever said on first take. I finally agree with something from her.
Who else wit mad because I’m on max side on this one
Right!!!
Stephen A change his opinion too much
Max, you could not be more wrong.
010738 is Stephen A's ipad combination lol
This is one of those weird times i will agree with max.
Yeeeaaahh I'm with Spock Kellerman on this one. . .
Where is the kick in the groin? Is it in another play?
Being accountable to something means that you're willing to be responsible for your own actions.
yep I'm done watching NFL. surpose to be about football like thy say but have thy have picks and chooses on players actions & punishments cuz of skin color and sas a sellout bro. max u right on this one smh
Miles just took it way to far in my opinion and he did that in the streets he would be in jail.
Or self defence... U don't attack ppl that's being held back period..
Kra. What attack? The man bashed a skull before even taking a punch.
@@maxatthecookout3773 so u're supposed to wait until u get hit b4 retaliating? The situation escalated, I'm being held back, don't run at me cuz u'd get f'ked up. It's that simple
On the street this would be self defense, if I back out and you charge me, and I hit you with whatever, im defending myself.
The difference here is that they are in a professional setting and both(mostly Rudolph) should have had more control
If your action causes bodily harm to anyone you get charged, Mason action should get him suspended just as well as Myles, because it would have not happened if Mason didn't lose his cool.
Will Cain must be a terrible "lawyer" if he thinks context doesn't matter. Will, like many right wing Americans who do this, ignores context and history and pretends as if one action that happens at a single moment has no lead up or context that contributed to that action taking place. of course it matters what happened before Garrett swung the helmet, because if Rudolph never charged at him he either wouldn't have swung it or definitely wouldn't have hit him. but apparently to Will Cain that doesn't matter. that's ignorant. then he uses "so it's my fault I walked into the line of fire from your gun" or something like that. a gun is a weapon used to hit something at a distance. a helmet and other handheld objects that need to be in close range doesn't make sense being compared. of course you can throw something, much less likelihood of it hitting your target than a gun designed to hit something from 15 feet
Max: The success or failure of an action changes your view on the punishment?
Me: Yes, that’s why murder and attempted murder are treated different.
I knew it. Something had to trigger Garrett to respond that way.
Max is right.
Seriously Will? You just realized that your point had no merit so you try to get Molly's approval? FAIL!!
@3:12 what did she just say...
Rudolph and Myles need to get in the ring!!
Celebrity Boxing or DAZN sign these guys to a fight!!!!!!!!!
This The last time Mason Rudolph will ever be heard about
I just saw the FULL clip of Rudolph trying to take the helmet off. It wasn't just a grab of the facemask (which is what the first clip I had seen that showed).
Accountability builds trust
Perhaps the most important result of accountability is trust, which is essential in any relationship. Being accountable to something means that you're willing to make commitments and be responsible for your own actions. This promotes trust between you and the people around you.
Why do they have a random IG model sitting at the table pretending to know anything about the NFL?
Either Molly doesn't understand her role on this team or she's not good at playing it. She's distracting.
I have to disagree with Steven A. That was, without a doubt, a roughing the passer. The ball was out of his hand and Myles drove him to the ground. I don't think Rudolph was trying to rip off the helmet. I can see why people think that but he couldn't pull it off from behind like that.
Mason called his lawyer, officer hoyt on Goodell 💀
I don’t like how
They are affirming molly as if she’s the judge, they need to get a different host
how is kicking a non suspendable offense but punching is?
Every 1 search for Ben flower grand final, and get a grip he swung a helmet 😂😂😂
The more Stephen A talks the worse he sounds is guy this the ultimate flip flopper.
A kick to the nuts isn’t normally a suspension??? In what world is that?
Kellerman is so full of it. His logic makes no sense...Pouncey should only get 1 for punching and kicking??? But Mason needs 2 for "trying" to take off a helmet!? He also didn't kick Garrett in the groin, if you zoom in you can see it's on his thigh which happens AFTER Garrett starts pulling at the facemask. It is NONSENSE to, as Cain said, go back in time and suspend Mason for nonsuspendable behavior simply because Garrett decided to go too far with everything. Garrett deserves 100% of the blame. He started it with the excessive tackle, and he alone crossed the line.
One thing not being discussed is the actual financial differences in the punishment and the financial situation this puts Miles in. Rudolph gets a $50k, Miles on the other hand, forfeits his salary for six games (about 1.14 million dollars) and still has a fine of $45,623. If I'm not mistaken, Players get their pay once a week, and it easily exceeds what a lot of people make in a whole year, but only during the season. They don't get paid during the off-season. So Miles will not add to his coffers until, what? June or July? I promise you. Miles was not expecting to take a loss like that. He has bills that need to be paid. I hope his coffers are stacked enough to get him through.
Whats the rule on trying to remove the helmet?