10 Delicious Overtures That Have Faded From The Repertoire

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  • 10 Popular Overtures That Have Faded From The Repertoire
    Auber: Fra Diavolo
    Thomas: Mignon
    Verdi: La Forza del Destino
    Hérold: Zampa
    Offenbach: Orpheus in the Underworld
    Wolf-Ferrari: Susana’s Secret
    Rossini: Semiramide
    Reznicek: Donna Diana
    Kabalevsky: Colas Breugnon
    Suppé: Light Cavalry

Komentáře • 117

  • @rsmickeymooproductions4877
    @rsmickeymooproductions4877 Před 6 měsíci +22

    Classical music should be for everyone. These overtures are a great way to get into orchestral music.

    • @soozb15
      @soozb15 Před 6 měsíci +4

      Yes!! I remember being totally captivated by the Die Fledermaus overture when I was very young, and the Strauss family waltzes and polkas drew me into Classical. I never looked back!

  • @paullewis2413
    @paullewis2413 Před 6 měsíci +22

    An overture that doesn’t get anything like the performances it deserves is Mendelssohn’s “Calm Sea and Prosperous Voyage”. Along with Elgar’s “In the South” which does get more exposure, it’s my favourite of all.

  • @markbeck8384
    @markbeck8384 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I'm dating myself, but I know all these overtures. I'm a retired ice skating coach, and, back in the day, these were all popular to skate to. Lots of good tunes and excitement!

  • @songsmith31a
    @songsmith31a Před 6 měsíci +11

    "Light Cavalry", "Donna Diana", "The Hebrides", "The Wreckers" "and any of Sullivan's G&S overtures remain favourites.
    Gloriously tuneful !

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Both the Sullivan-composed overtures to Yeomen of the Guard and Iolanthe deserve a place on any serious classical program. His concert overture Di Ballo has never taken hold in the States, but it used to be heard regularly in Britain. Mackerras memorably played it as an encore after his Leeds centennial performance of The Golden Legend.
      Brit composers wrote some great overtures, Bax's Overture to a Picareques Comedy, Arnold's Beckus the Dandipratt, Tam O'Shanter, Bantock, Pierrot of the Minute, RVW, The Wasps. Should be heard more.

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Mendelssohn's Hebrides overture and (at least in Britain) RVW The Wasps do seem to get included sometimes because they are respected as "serious" music.

    • @cimbalok2972
      @cimbalok2972 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I have to laugh, because I despise "The Hebrides". We played it in Summer Band in HS and I couldn't wait until the last beat of the last measure. I've heard "The Wreckers" many times and can't recall a single phrase, so I deem it "boring". I think Sullivan was an unsung and unappreciated genius. I love his music, which my bestie from college considers the most unnecessary music ever written. "Donna Diana" - heard it many times. Is it in 6/8 or 12/8? Either way, it's cute, but not that interesting. Thanks for posting!

  • @folanpaul
    @folanpaul Před 6 měsíci +5

    Nice list David. Not sure how often it gets played, possibly more in America than elsewhere, but I've always enjoyed Barber's School for Scandal overture. The second subject is just so lovely.

    • @fulltongrace7899
      @fulltongrace7899 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yes great piece. I did see a live recent performance on CZcams The english horn plays that lovely second subject.

  • @markfarrington5183
    @markfarrington5183 Před 6 měsíci +8

    I have the utmost respect for composers who can master light music
    (Johann Strauss, J., Offenbach, Leroy Anderson).
    It is anything BUT easy, even for geniuses...
    Even Brahms acknowledged this and revered Johann Strauss, Jr.
    The actor Edmund Gwenn, on his deathbed, said "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard."

  • @TheVrajr
    @TheVrajr Před 6 měsíci +3

    I would add one of my favorites, Berlioz' Roman Carnival Overture. A hoot to play and listen to.

  • @pierrevigna
    @pierrevigna Před 6 měsíci +6

    Paul Paray is for me THE reference for playing that music

  • @johnmarchington3146
    @johnmarchington3146 Před 6 měsíci +4

    A few years ago, when conductor James Judd came out to NZ to conduct the NZSO Youth Orchestra and Rossini's "William Tell" overture was on the programme, he described it as a little symphony and I think he is right about that. I had thought of three overtures that I love and which I don't recall ever hearing at concerts, although I concede they might not be of the sort you were considering. They are: Vaughan Williams "The Wasps"; NIelsen's "Masquerade" and Sibelius's "Karelia", Op. 10 (I heard the Suite a few times over the years) - all masterpieces, surely..

  • @Barrin10
    @Barrin10 Před 6 měsíci +9

    Any discussion of overtures makes me leap to Carl Nielsen's opera Maskerade. But I guess like all of Nielsen, it was never in the mainstream repertoire?
    Pity, because that overture is an orchestral showpiece in the Rossini style but with a 20th century kick.

  • @justintraywick1187
    @justintraywick1187 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thankfully my “home” orchestra, the Alabama Symphony, still does some fun overtures in their concerts. They have a thing they do in May each year called “Symphony in the Park” where they do 3 concerts in a weekend for free to the general public to come sit and watch in a big park in Birmingham. Its a great way to get non-classical audiences to see a concert. The last time I went they did the Orpheus and the Underworld overture. It was such great fun!

  • @compositortiagoprado
    @compositortiagoprado Před 6 měsíci +6

    Three other ouvertures that I came across in compilations and heard a lot are Boieldieu's "La dame blanche", Strauss' "Die Fledermaus" and Flotow's "Martha". These along with "Donna Diana" that you mentioned were some of the musics I loved most when I was a boy.

  • @Boccaccio1811
    @Boccaccio1811 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I couldn't agree with you more... I mean I enjoy serious, dramatic, long-form works, but light classical is really what got me into classical music in the first place, and I still love it just as much today.
    I can't stand "serious" musicians who scoff at these types of works for not being respectable enough (unfortunately I've met a lot of those ppl). We need to bring this music back some way!
    P.S. another great overture by Auber is "La Muette de Portici"... very underrated IMO

  • @Mooseman327
    @Mooseman327 Před měsícem

    Love this one, Dave. Totally agree. These pieces are delightful.

  • @annecheng7761
    @annecheng7761 Před 4 měsíci

    I'm very much in agreement. There used to be a radio programme in the UK called Friday Night is Music Night which played a lot of this kind of music. As a kid, I would listen under the covers after lights out. It's how I first learnt to love the music of Donizetti, Offenbach, the Strausses, Zeller et al.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  Před 4 měsíci

      I spent a lot of time under the covers listening to music too. Those were the days.

  • @endicot1949
    @endicot1949 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Thank you for mentioning Wolf-Ferrari. Among the overtures I would like to see G&S overtures, in particular HMS Pinafore or any arrangement of Mikado.

  • @Craig_Wheeler
    @Craig_Wheeler Před 6 měsíci +2

    At least four of these are alive and well on our local Classical radio station. The Auber, Herold, Reznicek and Kabalevsky. We give a LOT of air-play to those old warhorses that Paray and so many others recorded back in the day. Sadly in the Columbus Symphony's major concert hall, not so much. More often heard in (excellent) transcriptions for band at Summer Pops concerts in the Park or at The Ohio State University wind ensemble concerts.

  • @EgoSumAbbas820
    @EgoSumAbbas820 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I got to know many of these delightful pieces through the Andre Kostelanetz "Festive Overtures" LP that came out on Columbia when I was in high school. That recording was also my first introduction to William Walton's music.

  • @soozb15
    @soozb15 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Totally agree about the Mignon overture! I first came across it in a movie - The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp - but NEVER a live performance. Pity!

  • @charlieclark983
    @charlieclark983 Před 6 měsíci

    I'm so glad you mentioned Orpheus in the Underworld. What incredibly infections music.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  Před 6 měsíci

      I think you mean "infectious."

    • @charlieclark983
      @charlieclark983 Před 6 měsíci

      Oh I just have Covid on my mind and can't type. I also should have mentioned Walton's "Portsmouth Point" - and I remember Duncan Pirnie playing so many of the pieces you mention ∂@@DavesClassicalGuide

  • @OuterGalaxyLounge
    @OuterGalaxyLounge Před 6 měsíci +2

    Laurel and Hardy were in a film adaptation of Fra Diavolo. Thomas' Mignon is a motif in one of my all time favorite films, The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, by the magnificent Archers, Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger.

  • @dennischiapello7243
    @dennischiapello7243 Před 6 měsíci +3

    My Hurwitz, I just listened on CZcams to the overture to Il Segreto di Susanna on your recommendation. It IS delightful. Right alongside it was a link to your video titled "Wolf-Ferrari's Atrocious Orchestral Works!" 😅

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 Před 6 měsíci +1

      That W-F overture is a piece of contrapuntal wizardry, combining three different themes, all carefully marked in the score.

  • @user-et8mh2ki1c
    @user-et8mh2ki1c Před 6 měsíci +1

    I am so pleased that you listed Reznicek's Donna Diana. I first heard this music as a teenager watching reruns of Sgt Preston of the Yukon. Then one day I borrowed an LP of opera overtures from the local library and thought, Oh wow, that's where Sgt Preston came from! Thanks for a great video, Dave.

  • @Allebonneur
    @Allebonneur Před 6 měsíci +5

    Cats are wonderful creatures and real personalities.

    • @paullewis2413
      @paullewis2413 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Absolutely. My cats are an endless source of entertainment and frustration at the same time 😁

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Mildred doing the classic cat trick of upstaging a human doing something serious and demanding to be the centre of attention.

  • @user-lr6cd4nx8j
    @user-lr6cd4nx8j Před 6 měsíci +3

    Mehta is conducting La Forza overture later this month with the Israel PO…

  • @marklee5777
    @marklee5777 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I hardly ever go to a live concert now. But, if I can recall a favorite LP, it's the old Beecham LP called My Favorite Overtures. It includes 2 Rossini pieces: The Thieving Magpie & The Marriage Contract (yes, you caught me translating) 2 Mendelssohn pieces: A Midsummer's Night Dream and The Fair Melisina, then last, but certainly not least, a smoking performance of Berlioz's The Corsair. Man, what an album!!!
    Mark Lee
    Austin, Tx

  • @culturalconfederacy
    @culturalconfederacy Před 6 měsíci +1

    Glad you brought this up. Years ago, I bought a budget label box set of overtures. Produced by Madacy of Canada. They cranked out a lot of these low price discs. At any rate, practically every overture you mentioned was in that set. Would love to see another collection like that.

  • @psono429
    @psono429 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bravo Dave! let's hope more of this music gets programmed. If I ever get my dream job, Maestro I'll program them! Johann Strauss overtures are wonderful too. I saw only two Rossini Overture performances Rostropovich. They were amazing Mildred looks wonderful. Toscanini did one hell of a Siege of Corinth overture. I can't tell you how many times I have played it.

  • @jimyancy6842
    @jimyancy6842 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The first two live symphony concerts I attended opened with two overtures: 1958(/Cincinatti Symphony -"Fingal's Cave" and 1961(Minneapolis Symphony - "Semiramide" followed by Bartok's "Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta" and Beethoven 7th! And a personal favorite is "Il Guarany."
    AND THE CATS ARE WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @bbailey7818
      @bbailey7818 Před 6 měsíci

      Fiedler and the Boston Pops recorded the Gomes "Il Guarany" Overture. He also did top flight albums of Auber overtures.

    • @jimyancy6842
      @jimyancy6842 Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks for the reply. I have that Fiedler recording. The overture is also popular as a band transcription, such as recorded by the U.S. Marine Band.@@bbailey7818

  • @ngershon
    @ngershon Před 5 měsíci

    I Vespri has an amazing overture, probably the best part of the opera. Zubin did it at the first three tenors concert, haven't seen it anywhere else.

  • @josephromance3908
    @josephromance3908 Před 6 měsíci

    Couldn't agree more about concerts being a mix. And, great dark serious music is better appreciated when it is NOT the only mode at a concert.

  • @PhilKelley
    @PhilKelley Před 5 měsíci

    I found an article by Heinrich Heine, in an anthology of writing on music, in which he describes the state of The Paris Opera around 1831. Prior to Dr. Veron becoming the director, "...most people went to the Opera out of habit... [Veron] had a stroke of genius by which he decided to satisfy people's lust for spectacle so completely that the music scarcely annoyed them at all...".

  • @annecheng7761
    @annecheng7761 Před 4 měsíci

    Hérold isn't completely forgotten. He wrote the music for the ballet La fille mal gardée. The score which has since been reworked for Frederick Ashton's production, I think, by John Lanchbery. The ballet is still popular and in many ballet companies' repertoire.

  • @violadamore2-bu2ch
    @violadamore2-bu2ch Před 6 měsíci +3

    I like the Spring Overture of Karl Goldmark

    • @markzacek237
      @markzacek237 Před 6 měsíci

      Especially as performed by Arthur Fiedler and the Boston Pops! Marvelous performance!

    • @violadamore2-bu2ch
      @violadamore2-bu2ch Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@markzacek237 YES, that's the very recording I'm thinking of. There's another performance I've heard but it's too slow. Fiedler, to my ears, often has just the RIGHT tempos for his performances of anything and the BSO is a marvel of precision and ensemble balance in those recordings.

  • @elevenvideola
    @elevenvideola Před 6 měsíci +1

    A lot of these are still popular in the wind band tradition . Especially summer wind band pop concerts.

  • @waukee321
    @waukee321 Před 2 měsíci

    These pieces are still very familiar to me. We have some on piano rolls that are fun to play, especially Zampa and Semiramide

  • @hendriphile
    @hendriphile Před 6 měsíci +3

    You want excitement? Try Cherubini's "Ali Baba" overture, the Toscanini recording.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yes, that's fun.

    • @markzacek237
      @markzacek237 Před 6 měsíci +1

      That performance makes think of a broken down merry go round, crashing to a halt - again and again. A friend played it for me in college and I played it like four times in a row. I couldn’t get over the hilarious insanity of the piece.

  • @jnc8358
    @jnc8358 Před 6 měsíci

    As a kid Orpheus in the Underworld was the first live "classical performance" of any kind I had ever attended. That was at the Santa Fe Opera in August 1983. I thought it was a blast!

  • @oakwoodian4465
    @oakwoodian4465 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I am surprised you had Forza del Destino on your list as this was a favourite encore piece of Riccardo Muti and I heard him conduct this two or three times.
    He came with the Philadelphia Orchestra to the Proms one year and the orchestra set up included two harps which were not required in any of the pieces performed, which was intriguing. When the "official" programme had ended two harpists took their places at their instruments and Muti re-appeared to give us the Forza del Destino overture.
    It was fantastic - I think he must really love it.
    He did it again after a Chicago Symphony concert at the RFH too.

    • @petertaplin4365
      @petertaplin4365 Před 6 měsíci

      He did it as an encore here in Melbourne with the Australian World Orchestra, an orchestra made up of Australian musicians from all the great orchestras around the world. It was the highlight of the concert!

  • @billcotter4426
    @billcotter4426 Před 4 měsíci

    I agree: today’s concerts are too restricted by the time limits set by unions. There is no time to practice an overture. One of my favorites is The Spring Song by Sibelius. Others by Beethoven ‘King Stephen’ ‘Ruins of Athens’ . Also a great piece is ‘The Russian Easter Overture’ by Rimsky-Korsakoff (sp?)

  • @ngershon
    @ngershon Před 5 měsíci

    I find that these genre is used in most concerts, mainly so people can have extra time to cough or find their seats without ruining the big numbers later in the concert. But it never included any of the pieces you mentioned, perhaps with the exclusion of la forza.

  • @stevemcclue5759
    @stevemcclue5759 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Not sure if it qualifies as "delicious", but Malcolm Arnold's "A Grand, Grand Overture" definitely needs more exposure. I suppose two things work against it; one being, How Do You Follow That? and two being the need for 3 vacuum cleaners, a notoriously difficult instrument to master...😀

  • @grandisdavid
    @grandisdavid Před 6 měsíci +1

    Chabrier's Gwendoline, Lalo's Le roi d'Ys, Borodine's Prince Igor should also be played more often.

  • @Titanandenceladus
    @Titanandenceladus Před 6 měsíci

    You are correct about the smaller orchestras playing overtures more often than the big orchestras. I believe Panama City Orchestra in florida had a program where they did not 1 but 2 Rossini overtures in a Masterworks program

  • @musicianinseattle
    @musicianinseattle Před 6 měsíci +4

    Vaughan Williams' overture to "The Wasps" is a great, bubbly concert opener. We played his "Poisoned Kiss" overture here recently - if "The Wasps" is a 10, "The Poisoned Kiss" is at least a 9.5. Both would be welcomed by audiences.

  • @morrigambist
    @morrigambist Před 6 měsíci +1

    Donna Diana's overture was used in the ancient TV show "Sergeant Preston of the Yukon". An interesting first half of a concert would be one of these overtures followed by Rachmaninoff's "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini". Just the right length, and with a comic ending.

  • @franantoniezautzikrojas7320
    @franantoniezautzikrojas7320 Před 6 měsíci

    "nobody complains better than classical music people"
    I can confirm that 😂

  • @FCarraro1
    @FCarraro1 Před 6 měsíci

    In Italy we still play a lot of Semiramide and Forza, and sometimes you play Susanna'Secret as an opera but almost never as an opening ouverture in a concert. The other works, frankly, I never heard of 😅

  • @normanmeharry58
    @normanmeharry58 Před 3 měsíci

    Go back a hundred years and Sibelius' Karelia Overture was more popular than the eponymous suite. I'm a big fan yet i may die and never having heard a live performance.

  • @denbigh51
    @denbigh51 Před 6 měsíci

    Overtures are an endangered species- here in New Zealand I note that the NZSO’s concerts this year include only two overtures.

  • @gideonels
    @gideonels Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for the video Dave. I agree 100%. Now I am going to listen to all of these.

  • @bbailey7818
    @bbailey7818 Před 6 měsíci

    When Muti and the Philadelphia Orchestra did a tour stop in Seattle, they played the Verdi Vespri Siciliani Overture as an encore. It was one of the best things in the concert along with the Busoni Turandot Suite.
    I was told by two people who attended it that Toscanini and the NBC Symphony in Seattle played the Colas Breugnon Overture as the encore. Some people didn't know it and thought it was Copland's Hoe Down! There is a certain similarity, actually.
    I've recently heard two separate archival live recordings of concerts with the Short Overture by Don Gillis. It's great fun and would get any concert off to a rousing start.
    Since this is his centenary year, when was the last time any of us heard Smetana's Bartered Bride Overture in a concert? Or the three sparkling, infectious dances which used to get heard fairly often?

  • @ammcello
    @ammcello Před 6 měsíci

    I will suggest one more that is virtually gone : Borodin Prince Igor.
    Though I’ve played a lot from your list recently (and also many of those mentioned in the comments), and one of the orchestras I play in does an all-overtures program every year JUST for this reason, I do think that the frequency of the old standby overtures has been eclipsed by works like Jessie Montgomery’s “Strum” and “Starburst”, Caroline Shaw’s “Entr’acte” and Lili Boulanger’s “D’un Matin de Printemps” in the important and recent effort to showcase works by females composers. These come up all the time for me.

  • @thomasjoyce7870
    @thomasjoyce7870 Před 6 měsíci

    Back in the day, Los Angeles' KFAC used the Reznicek as the theme music for one of their weekend shows.

  • @bbailey7818
    @bbailey7818 Před 6 měsíci

    Just a quick word in favor of Thomas' Raymond Overture. But one must hear it in Bernstein's jawdropping recording!
    Zampa: It's basically Don Giovanni, but the statue that's his undoing is a woman, and not the dad of Donna Anna.

  • @febyjoseph75
    @febyjoseph75 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Richard Heuberger's effervescent overture to Der Opernball would have fit this list, although in all honesty I'd have to question if it was in the repertoire to begin with. It's a delightful piece of music nevertheless.

    • @soozb15
      @soozb15 Před 6 měsíci

      I'll have to check this out. I only know the Kreisler arrangement of 'Midnight Bells' for violin and piano, which is wonderful.

  • @AlexMadorsky
    @AlexMadorsky Před 6 měsíci

    Some of the finest classical music ever written is of the light variety. All these overtures deserve a place in the concert hall with regularity. Let’s have some fun, G-d forbid.

  • @edwardcasper5231
    @edwardcasper5231 Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe Leonard Slatkin will do a program of overtures. He's very innovative in many ways. I wouldn't put it past him. LOL I've played a number of these in both concert bands and orchestras. La Forza del Destino was particularly popular with concert bands. It was fun (and challenging) to play - especially for the euphonium players.

  • @markmiller3713
    @markmiller3713 Před 6 měsíci

    To me these overtures would be the natural and most logical way to start a concert! The entire point of an overture is to introduce the opera, so why not start a concert with one!

  • @thevault3853
    @thevault3853 Před 6 měsíci +1

    These bring back memories of that wonderful Reader's Digest boxed set called "Festival of Light Classical Music" from the early 1960s that had 12 wonderful LPs in it. I confess I borrowed that off my aunt about 35 years ago when I was a teenager...and it's oddly still sitting on my shelves. I have no idea how that happened. *cough*

    • @songsmith31a
      @songsmith31a Před 6 měsíci

      I too have fond memories of those Readers Digest LP sets. Big names of those days -e.g. Eric Robinson...
      remember him?- used to feature on them. I have a fine CD set of G&S highlights from the same RD source.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  Před 6 měsíci +1

      My grandmother had that set, and I inherited it from her.

    • @thevault3853
      @thevault3853 Před 6 měsíci

      @@songsmith31a I don't recall Eric Robinson,but I shall do some investigations!

    • @thevault3853
      @thevault3853 Před 6 měsíci

      @@DavesClassicalGuide The original Festival of Light Classical Music is just a beautiful set - I can't think of a better one-stop boxed set to act as someone's introduction to classical music. Such a shame most if those recordings never made it to CD. Got to say Readers Digest's Treasury of Great Operetta is pretty cool, too.

  • @petermartin9716
    @petermartin9716 Před 6 měsíci

    The same is true at the pops level as well. How much John Williams do you really want? When I was young the Boston Pops (Arthur Fiedler days) programs were in three parts. Part I was overtures and small works, Part II was a serious work (I heard the Boston premiere of the Bartok third piano concerto there), and Part III would be show music. I am not sure that Mozart and Haydn symphonies will not be the next to go. I am in my eighties and am lucky to remember the days when there were many nights when going to concerts was just plain fun.
    A comment to Paul Lewis below. Not a great Elgar fan but “In The South” is wonderful!

  • @tristanmills4948
    @tristanmills4948 Před 6 měsíci

    Three comments:
    1. I've just got back into listening to Classical Music after many years, because it's good music which speaks to me and is pleasurable to listen to. Just as Jazz, or Rock can be in other ways. It seems like we're suffering from the 20th Century academicalisation still, and there's too many 'Beard Scratchers' in charge, who want that profundity to make it an exclusive club.
    2. My cats refuse to play fetch. The most they do is look at me to ask why I'm not getting the toy back to throw for them again...
    3. I'm a member of several non-mainstream groups, and they all have lots of people who love to complain. Sometimes justifiably (like this video), sometimes because they're just grumpy and seem to enjoy it...

  • @stradivariouspaul1232
    @stradivariouspaul1232 Před 6 měsíci

    A couple of greats I'm puzzled aren't covered more often on record are Die Fledermaus and Rosamunde. The two great earworms from Herold have to be the overture to Zampa and the Clog Dance from La Fille Mal Gardee, a wonderful miniature even if I can't work out what's happening on stage!

  • @nattyco
    @nattyco Před 6 měsíci +3

    Locally, in place of a light harmonious overture we are forced to suffer a compulsory, discordant, cacophonous modern work by a contemporary, usually talentless, composer.

    • @songsmith31a
      @songsmith31a Před 6 měsíci

      Somehow, it is being put about that to write musical notes in any sort of sequence takes precedence over
      the gift of being able to write uplifting melodious music. There is a considerable difference between
      the two. One can be pursued using the mechanics; the other requires an inherent "someting" that, like
      great poetry, is timeless in its ability to impart that indefinable frisson of joy in the human spirit.

  • @federicorodriguez7222
    @federicorodriguez7222 Před 6 měsíci

    I couldn't agree more, concerts should include much more music that is actually easy to listen to. To be honest, the seasons of big orchestras focus much on "heavy music". The way you say "Ahh Bruckner" in your videos, kind of reflects this behavior in big orchestras for me. Kiril Petrenko, now that you mention him, has done both Capriccio Español and Italien, and Waxman Riders of the cossacks. But big orchestras, they focus too much on Brucker, Shostakovich and Mahler, displacing Overtures like this you mentioned or a lot of other music just because they consider it "not intellectual" or something. You should recommend recordings of light music. For example, my favorite Fra Diavolo is the one conducted by Paul Paray. And Semiramide, well I have to admit I love Karajan's because it has some beautiful touches with the bass drum. Great musical chat this video.

  • @markpullinger2500
    @markpullinger2500 Před 6 měsíci

    Riccardo Muti likes to whip out an overture as an occasional encore too - last week I saw him conduct the Chicago Symphony in the overture to Verdi's Giovanna d'Arco in the Musikverein.

  • @LyleFrancisDelp
    @LyleFrancisDelp Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for this video, Dave. I totally agree. In my youth, I was drawn to classical music largely by such overtures, and they became a favorite form.....tuneful, richly orchestrated, and succinct in form and always enjoyable. I would have included a Beethoven overture in this list. I mean....when was the last time you heard Consecration of the House in a concert hall?

  • @petertaplin4365
    @petertaplin4365 Před 6 měsíci

    How about Mendelssohn's Ruy Blas? Its got a groovy tango in the middle! Also love Weber's The Ruler of the Spirits, Oberon and the rest. All beautiful!!

  • @dariocaporuscio8701
    @dariocaporuscio8701 Před 6 měsíci

    Semiramide is one of those pieces that piccolist will study until they are deaf for orchestral auditions and then never play😂

  • @andrewhcit
    @andrewhcit Před 6 měsíci

    I get the impression that La Forza del Destino still gets played a decent amount. I think I would nominate Vaughan Williams's overture to The Wasps to replace it in the list.
    Otherwise good calls. I've played the Zampa overture once, but I've never heard of it being programmed otherwise.
    The Colas Breugnon overture was the very first orchestral piece I heard live, in 1995. I haven't seen it programmed near me again. I wonder if it suffers from being seen as too similar to Glinka's Ruslan and Ludmilla or Shostakovich's Festive Overture, which seem to be more in vogue as showpieces recently.

  • @jdeeside
    @jdeeside Před 6 měsíci

    Totally agree with your points on the dull, boring, profundity. How many years ago did EMI/Legge/Schwarzkopf produce a series of operettas? No-one sings that stuff anymore. Light froth is fun too!

  • @giuseppeagresta1425
    @giuseppeagresta1425 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I love La forza del destino too, it's such a terrific ouverture and I was wondering if you would've referenced it in this video :)
    It's also the name chosen by C. Duggan for his (brilliant, in my opinion) book on italian history between 1800-2000, going from the birth of the first nationalist movements to its recent history

  • @martinhaub6828
    @martinhaub6828 Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe it depends on where you live. I've played La Forza, Orpheus, Semiramide, Light Cavalry, and Colas many times in the past few years. Rehearsing Semiramide this week actually. The issue with the others is that so many conductors just don't know them or are interested in it, like you say.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  Před 6 měsíci +3

      Have you played them in a "major" orchestra uinder a "major" conductor? I made a point of distinguishing between them and what's happening elsewhere.

  • @LyleFrancisDelp
    @LyleFrancisDelp Před 6 měsíci

    The biggest problem with the Wolf-Ferrari is its length. It's over almost before it gets started. That said, it's utterly delightful music. I've made a wind transcription, but it is yet to be played.....it's just too short.

  • @iankemp1131
    @iankemp1131 Před 6 měsíci

    As you say, the overtures that seem to have been squeezed out are the lighter ones, and everything in the concert has to be "serious".

  • @AlexSzell
    @AlexSzell Před 6 měsíci

    Another great overture no longer in the repertoire is the Secret Marriage Overture by Cimarosa

  • @robkeeleycomposer
    @robkeeleycomposer Před 6 měsíci

    You hardly ever hear ANY kind of overture these days - I miss the old days of Overture-Concerto-Symphony. it worked.

  • @ervinvice1521
    @ervinvice1521 Před 6 měsíci

    Agree that the “death of light music” is lamentable. Life is too short not to indulge in fun stuff.

  • @FREDGARRISON
    @FREDGARRISON Před 6 měsíci

    Guess I'll add my two cents worth.. You mentioned Thomas' Mignon Overture, but how about his Overture to "Raymond"? Good slow tune and what a bouncy tune to follow. Then there's LALO: Overture to "Le Roi d'Ys. A moody piece with good tunes. Best performance is by Jean Martinon and The Chicago Symphony Orchestra. Goldmark's IN ITALY Overture is another nice overture. Not an overture, but a sadly neglected piece is JAKOV GOTOVAC'S Kolo-Dance from "Ero The Joker" Andre Kostelanetz did a recording of this, but Sony hasn't released it on CD yet, that I know of. The only other recording that I know of is with The Vienna Philharmonic with Rudolf Kempe. Very good stuff. THANKS DAVE

    • @oakwoodian4465
      @oakwoodian4465 Před 6 měsíci

      Totally agree about "Raymond". Bernstein did a great performance on an LP of overtures - still available as a CD I believe.

    • @FREDGARRISON
      @FREDGARRISON Před 6 měsíci

      Had the LP when it came out on Columbia records and the first (?) cd release on Columbia's GREAT PERFORMANCES series. I'm sure Sony has released it a few more time since every so often they re-release the Bernstein stuff like THE ROYAL EDITION and THE BERNSTEIN CENTURY Thanks for the reply.

  • @ccsitaround
    @ccsitaround Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe we could hear something like Cherubini's Demophon Overture even Beethoven consider him the greatest composer at the time.

  • @danielpincus221
    @danielpincus221 Před 6 měsíci

    I ❤ Dave Hurwitz. No, really!

  • @frankdominicbenke6146
    @frankdominicbenke6146 Před 6 měsíci

    How about the Tritsch-tratsch polka as an encore after Mahler 9 !

  • @ewmbr1164
    @ewmbr1164 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I typed "fra diavolo" in YT - and got tons of recipes. Go figure... :-) There is a fine Fra Diavolo with Nicolai Gedda and Mady Mesple btw.