How to paint 2nd Edition Ultramarines Terminators (1989)

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  • čas přidán 18. 11. 2021
  • 1989, the year of Tactical Dreadnought Armour and Power Gloves, not the silver kind Michael Jackson wore, but the hazard marked one that could make your head explode if it punched you in the face! We take a nostalgic trip down memory lane with this video and paint these Rogue Trader era miniatures in the style of 2nd Edition Ultramarines! That means bright blues, reds and yellow plus that classic and much loved Goblin Green base! Enjoy 😊
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    Paint List
    Macragge Blue Spray (Citadel)
    Altdorf Guard Blue (Citadel)
    Drakenhoff Nightshade (Citadel)
    Lahmian Medium (Citadel)
    Corax White (Citadel)
    Apothecary White (Citadel)
    Iyanden Yellow (Citadel)
    Evil Sunz Scarelt (Citadel)
    Leadbelcher (Citadel)
    Balthazar Gold (Citadel)
    Corvus Black (Citadel)
    Nuln Oil (Citadel)
    Yriel Yellow (Citadel)
    Matt White (Army Painter)
    Calgar Blue (Citadel)
    Fenrisian Grey (Citadel)
    Flash Gitz Yellow (Citadel)
    Wild Rider Red (Citadel)
    Stormhost Silver (Citadel)
    Mechanicus Standard Grey (Citadel)
    Zandri Dust (Citadel)
    Seraphim Sepia (Citadel)
    Ushabti Bone (Citadel)
    Screaming Skull (Citadel)
    Khorne Red (Citadel)
    Troll Slayer Orange (Citadel)
    Matt Black (Army Painter)
    Goblin Green or Warboss Green (Citadel)
    Sunburst Yellow (Citadel)
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Komentáře • 324

  • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
    @DuncanRhodesDRPA  Před 2 lety +109

    Hi everyone. We hope you have enjoyed this video. Please remember to like, subscribe and leave a comment too.
    Cheers
    Dunc & Rog

    • @Penniwhistle
      @Penniwhistle Před 2 lety +4

      Love the 4:3 aspect ratio in the intro, good touch!

    • @chrismaker2473
      @chrismaker2473 Před 2 lety

      I would love to see your take on the new tome keepers. thank you very much keep up the good videos.

    • @questofknowledge8788
      @questofknowledge8788 Před 2 lety

      Did you try to paint a version with the old school pure white base? That was always the thing that to me made the colors so bright. Blue on pure white just pops.

    • @paddysperspective3642
      @paddysperspective3642 Před 2 lety

      hi . names Patrick. just curious as to how much you paid for these . I have 2 sets in boxes I'm looking for prices but they vary so much . no worries if u don't wish to say . thanks for your time .

  • @philcreed3657
    @philcreed3657 Před 2 lety +144

    "I can vaguely remember this being on sale..."
    'Me too, Duncan!'
    "At car boot sales."
    'Damn, I'm old.'

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  Před 2 lety +14

      😂

    • @gleggett3817
      @gleggett3817 Před 2 lety +4

      exactly my thoughts - I still remember the shop I bought mine from.

    • @vegancam
      @vegancam Před 2 lety +6

      @G Leggett Same. We had one bookshop in the small town I grew up in which had a lonely corner they would stack a smattering of GW product in. Every time I went in there I would check to see what new goodies they had got in. Bought my hardback Rogue Trader rulebook there as well as the good ol' RTB01 Beakie Marines box set. I even got the very same Terminator squad box shown in this video, had to save up for weeks and I was scared it was going to be gone by the time I had enough money. My child brain at the time obviously couldn't muster enough initiative to realise I could've put it on layby. Still one of my favourite GW miniature sets of all time.

    • @SAVikingSA
      @SAVikingSA Před rokem +1

      @@gleggett3817 I had to mail order my Space Wolves from the UK in 2nd edition and it took 10 weeks to get delivered lol

    • @masanthar
      @masanthar Před rokem

      Yeah, I get the feeling...

  • @DrFilch
    @DrFilch Před 2 lety +134

    "Giving it that sort of strange yellowy bone appearance that they used to go for back in the late eighties and early nineties" To which I immediately went 'What do you mean, that's how I paint bone _now_ ' only to come to the shocking realization that I've been painting bones the same way _for over twenty years_

    • @dorn0531
      @dorn0531 Před 2 lety +8

      Me too friend, me too

    • @edwigesextape7254
      @edwigesextape7254 Před 2 lety +5

      @@dorn0531 me three

    • @dorn0531
      @dorn0531 Před 2 lety +2

      @@edwigesextape7254 If it ain't broke...

    • @masanthar
      @masanthar Před rokem +1

      Well bone is bone... Deathwing FTW. Back in the day it seemed impossible to get that result

    • @drewlovelyhell4892
      @drewlovelyhell4892 Před rokem +2

      When you reach your thirties and into your fourties, you realise an important fact; life is very short, time moves really quickly, and ten years is a blink of the eye.

  • @DarkDragon1130113
    @DarkDragon1130113 Před 2 lety +169

    I actually prefer this colour scheme than the current one for Guilliman's boys. Amazing video as always! :)

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  Před 2 lety +32

      Thank you so much. Are you going to paint some Primaris in this scheme?

    • @DarkDragon1130113
      @DarkDragon1130113 Před 2 lety +33

      @@DuncanRhodesDRPA I am actually painting an Assault Intercessor in this colour scheme! Time to show those youngsters that retro is still cool :P

    • @bushbandit1052
      @bushbandit1052 Před 2 lety +5

      Superintendent approved hell yea !!

  • @walterburdzy5408
    @walterburdzy5408 Před 2 lety +24

    The Terminators have aged the best of all the retro models. I would've loved a huge force of those stomping down the battlefield.

    • @Senbei01
      @Senbei01 Před 2 lety +2

      It depends on the Terminator. The VERY old ones have aged a fair deal (The three Prototypes and early Space Hulk plastics... possibly the first set of Grey Knights), but the 1st Ed "Terminator Squad" box really nailed the aesthetic that they've stuck with ever since. Even some of the more obscure variations (The 'Traitor Terminator' set and the two Terminator Inquisitors) still look pretty damned good... if not a tad small when stood next to newer plastics.

    • @johnfarscape
      @johnfarscape Před rokem

      I think the proportions was best on these, overall I think the rogue trader harlequins also aged really well, they look miles better than hhe never ones imo, same with the old, 2nd sculpt deamonettes.

  • @heasne1738
    @heasne1738 Před 2 lety +31

    Love the retro scheme, nothing better than a goblin green base!

  • @peng9179
    @peng9179 Před 2 lety +51

    Ohhhh my days Duncan, pure nostalgia. These are my favourite Terminators. Awesome paint job. And like you I'd find them at bootsales etc back in the 90s.
    Only thing your missing is a heavy gloss coat for that truly retro feel.

  • @tacky4237
    @tacky4237 Před 2 lety +28

    these retro ones are my favorite by far. hope we see some oldschool stuff like tyranids being painted!

  • @JonBius
    @JonBius Před 2 lety +46

    What a wonderful video! The retro style is so cool, both for the video and the Terminator!
    The best line ever... "So now next time this Terminator punches someone so hard that they literally explode, no one can say he didn't warn them first."
    That is pure gold! Or should I say primary yellow? 😁

  • @DigitalOrigami
    @DigitalOrigami Před 2 lety +16

    Boy that brings back memories. I remember sketching in the hazard stripes with a technical pen, and my terminators all being blood angels 'cause I couldn't paint a decent white helmet to save my life, lol. Great video!

  • @arrowsinbloom
    @arrowsinbloom Před 2 lety +6

    Admittedly, I've never painted a proper tabletop model, but the advice really works for painting irregular surfaces in general.
    Also, I like listening to Duncan say the names of paints.

  • @MutsuKazuma
    @MutsuKazuma Před 2 lety +3

    still the most wholesome painting tutorial teacher on youtube, also looks like this is a bit more relaxed than the gw tutorials since you can pick and choose what you want to present

  • @jeremy1860
    @jeremy1860 Před 2 lety +3

    I remember when I was a kid in the 90s, watching my older brother paint one of these 40K figures. They looked awesome to me and I was a fan of the franchise ever since 😊

  • @gez9145
    @gez9145 Před 2 lety

    Man! This video led me down a rabbit hole of 80's and 90's nostalgia.. ended up buying an old metal Space Wolves Terminator mini and the board game Chaos Marauders which we used to play all the time as kids. This channel is a treasure, so glad I found it as well as your GW videos!

  • @maxbrandt6
    @maxbrandt6 Před 2 lety

    Awesome work! I love seeing these old 1st and 2nd edition 40k minis painted to a high degree, a little more challenging then at first glance!

  • @dekai7992
    @dekai7992 Před 2 lety

    I hold so much nostalgia for these metal Terminators. I remember staring at the 'Eavy Metal pictures in 2nd and 3rd edition codexes and White Dwarf, marvelling at how on earth the painter (could've even been Mike McVey?) was able to pull off these smooth blends and crisp lines. That's a huge part of my earliest hobby memories. Good times. Thanks for bringing that back!

  • @nessus47
    @nessus47 Před 2 lety +1

    Ahh the fond memories. These were the very first gw models I ever bought, a blisterpack with two of these guys in it. Many more were added later, of course, but these were my first, so it was fun seeing you painting one. They are still some of my fave models ever.

  • @keithburden7191
    @keithburden7191 Před 2 lety +1

    Absolutely amazing video. I am old enough to remember these coming out new and that boxset is still glorious. Spectacular paint job Duncan, a real delight to see a bright and vibrant tutorial. 👏👏👏👏👌😊🖌️

    • @keithburden7191
      @keithburden7191 Před 2 lety

      ...and now your video has inspired me to start painting an '89 Terminator in this scheme! 😆👍

  • @NoahRichard
    @NoahRichard Před 2 lety +2

    I'd love to see more of these retro minis with retro schemes - maybe something crazy, like a Rogue Trader Salamander! Keep up the great work!

  • @Scotybalboa
    @Scotybalboa Před 2 lety +2

    Its fantastic to see these retro guides recreating the 2nd Edition look with current paints so please keep doing them when you can!! Looking forward to hopefully getting a retro Space Wolf guide and please please do the Classic 'monopose' Goff Ork from the 2nd Ed boxed set as there must be so many of those lying around crying out to be painted!

  • @wojciechchoros9767
    @wojciechchoros9767 Před 2 lety

    Fabulous job in a cool vintage way! Love it! 🙂🎨

  • @thetabletopsupershow3670

    Thanks for this one Duncan. This brings back memories of painting these guys 30 odd years back!

  • @grinch96ek
    @grinch96ek Před 2 lety

    Your videos are helping out tremendously. I got the models, the paint and the tools only to find myself staring at assembled models with anxiety. We all have to start some where, thank you for putting out excellent material.

  • @frankjones9839
    @frankjones9839 Před 2 lety

    Amazing video as always - for such an old model that Terminator still holds up really well

  • @tristanconvert
    @tristanconvert Před rokem

    Extremely useful, easy to follow, your personality - all made this a very fun project!

  • @larrywagner1432
    @larrywagner1432 Před 2 lety

    This whole video too me back to my early teens of pushing mini around the ground with pillow hills and book buildings! Back to when we had to mail order out minis. And that base really hammered it all the way back! Cheers! 🖌

  • @cinergy7553
    @cinergy7553 Před 2 lety

    Absolutely dazzling!

  • @AverageBritishNerd1138

    Good to see you did the base properly Duncan lad! Props to Peter for sending you in some real Goblin Green. The nostalgia is real - I remember that box being in stores (just)! Having said that, I still have my original copy of Rogue Trader on my shelf, along with various novels from the early 90s...

  • @viscounttudon68
    @viscounttudon68 Před 2 lety +3

    The synthwave and the camera filter is incredible

  • @AquamentusZero
    @AquamentusZero Před 2 lety +11

    1:19 Is there any better, truer way to paint Space Marines? ^.^ My entire Ultramarines army is painted in that style and I'm loving it. For Macragge!
    7:39 Yep, red guns were the thing back then (and still are for me). Quoting from an old White Dwarf: Space Marines often paints their weapons red to resemble the blood the weapons will shed in the emperor's name.

  • @jonathan2950
    @jonathan2950 Před rokem

    This is my first time watching one of your videos. As someone who will be getting back into miniature painting having not done it since the early 90s, this was really helpful. I much prefer the older, brighter painting style from back in the day, and is the style I’ll be going with when I come to paint all of my retro minis.
    I found the info bits you put on screen really useful, showing the brushes and paints you use in each step. And it’s great that you use modern, easy to get paints rather than using the actual paints from back in the day!
    Thank you!

  • @gunslinger1911a1
    @gunslinger1911a1 Před 2 lety +3

    Haha, now I feel old. When you opened up that Goblin Green I could smell it. Sometimes, actually a lot of the time. I miss the old paints and how they were formulated and mixed. I also miss this color scheme and the goblin green bases.

  • @philloynes
    @philloynes Před 2 lety

    As a collector of Ultramarines in the early 00s and getting back not the hobby during lockdown, I was so confused by the new dark blue colours. This is exactly what I needed. Thanks!

  • @Dylanquinn666
    @Dylanquinn666 Před 2 lety

    I got back into the hobby at the start of the pandemic having been away since about 2005 and I decided to start a 2nd/3rd edition Ultramarines Army recently. I was lucky enough to find someone locally who was selling their entire collection of old citadel paints and I've been scouring eBay and Oldhammer groups on facebook like a magpie. I can finally have the army I always wanted back then. Going back and reading the old rulebook and codex has been such a treat and has brought back so many nice memories from my childhood. These tips will definitely be put to good use over the next few weeks! :)

  • @theemperorscourt5349
    @theemperorscourt5349 Před 2 lety

    Great video, great nostalgia!

  • @xyonblade
    @xyonblade Před 6 měsíci

    I love this one so much, i'm watching it again again!

  • @Genesee.Billiam
    @Genesee.Billiam Před 2 lety +2

    Love it! As long as you’re doing retro minis would love to see some square base minis to get hyped for The Old World. Thanks for all the paint guides!

  • @sonsofisstvan1675
    @sonsofisstvan1675 Před 2 lety

    MORE of these throwback models,
    I’ve got so many Rogue Trader models that I’d love to see some tutorials on! 🔥👏🏻

  • @christophersaunders4664

    I love this. Please keep doing these!

  • @Calliibrations
    @Calliibrations Před 2 lety +4

    Really love this classic colour scheme, if i didn't already have a huge backlog of minis to work on i'd be so tempted to paint up some Terminators like this (although maybe once i'm more caught up i could paint some Blood Angel ones in a more retro style)

  • @burritoblaster0670
    @burritoblaster0670 Před 2 lety +6

    Absolutely brilliant, but if you did the legendary 2nd edition ork boy/grot then I'd beg my dad to buy the subscription

  • @MatthewBester
    @MatthewBester Před 2 lety

    I loved this video. Perfect timing too, I'm painting the same RT Terminators but Crimson Fists.

  • @tycondrius23
    @tycondrius23 Před rokem

    very cool I love that you went with the even old classic RT era Termie and not the later 90's metal/plastic ones.

  • @SvartTK
    @SvartTK Před rokem

    The music on these retro videos is a blast!

  • @Ben-of-old-Yorkshire
    @Ben-of-old-Yorkshire Před 2 lety +11

    Alright, let's go! My friend wants to start Ultramarines and your tutorials are brilliant! Thanks loads!
    Edit: in future, could you do a retro tutorial on epic minis?

  • @joshck5113
    @joshck5113 Před 2 lety

    Oh thus is bloody excellent. Beautiful work as always

  • @johnkelley9877
    @johnkelley9877 Před 2 lety

    That was great! I like the older colors a little better than the current ones so this was very helpful. Thanks for sharing this.

  • @pcuimac
    @pcuimac Před 2 lety +1

    Best Terminators that were ever released! The times of Space Hulk & Deathwing! I have exactly the box you held up there. Of course my painting skills were not that good at the time.

  • @mityakiselev
    @mityakiselev Před rokem +1

    holy crap I remember the hexagonal paint bottles from way back... I used to collect Tyranids in high school and our history teacher had exactly this edition of paints

  • @KabinMiniatures
    @KabinMiniatures Před 2 lety

    Oh. Yes. Please. I love the retro style, so awesome!

  • @PeninsulaPaintingProjects

    Love this blast from the past. I didn't start until 99 but I remeber a lot of this style

  • @bobyoung8730
    @bobyoung8730 Před 2 lety

    Oh bloody hell, this brought me right back to high school Dunc. I painted these very models for my best friend, and picked my Templars out of the Second Edition Ultramarine book before they got their real love in Codex: Armageddon, lol... Amazing as always!!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you Bob, it's always a bit of fun to get nostalgic about old miniatures.

  • @marlontruscott
    @marlontruscott Před 2 lety

    ..am I that old!? I remember my friend buying this set new when we went to the old Harrow GW..
    Nice work Duncan- thanks for the trip down memory lane..

  • @Vaderian88
    @Vaderian88 Před 2 lety

    Wow this brings back memories of when I was painting mine in my early teens... And that Goblin Green.... Really missed that colour.

  • @EnclaveAJones
    @EnclaveAJones Před 2 lety

    Loving the retro style in the beginning.

  • @jusztinnemeti6380
    @jusztinnemeti6380 Před 2 lety

    This is great stuff. Thanks for doing this.

  • @RevanR
    @RevanR Před 2 lety +2

    Duncan : *post tutorial painting classic Ultramarines*
    Me : *today was a good day*

  • @brokenheroics8223
    @brokenheroics8223 Před 2 lety

    Flipping loved this retro video

  • @kungpochopedtuna
    @kungpochopedtuna Před 2 lety

    The old coat de arms paints were great. Love these retro ultras. Can't wait to field some beakys for the horus stuff

  • @stormyandcold
    @stormyandcold Před 2 lety

    And that's the kind of content we love.

  • @hamishglenn4900
    @hamishglenn4900 Před rokem

    So good!

  • @yodhanhunter
    @yodhanhunter Před rokem

    The intro was fire. Damn amazing.

  • @ZubbaKon
    @ZubbaKon Před 2 lety

    Glorious!

  • @malosua9790
    @malosua9790 Před 2 lety

    Man that came out amazing

  • @Winter420
    @Winter420 Před 2 lety

    yesss more retro stuff!! do the whole 3rd ed 40k starter box!

  • @billyclement5141
    @billyclement5141 Před 2 lety

    Fantastic! Takes me right back... :-)

  • @uluairi
    @uluairi Před rokem

    I have just got an old termie squad for my Space Hulk and this video made may day. Thanks !

  • @Eviscerator18
    @Eviscerator18 Před 2 lety +1

    Beautiful.

  • @Karlosovic77
    @Karlosovic77 Před 2 lety

    Hahaha, great video Duncan, thank you!
    I sure enjoyed the 2nd Ed nostalgia, being an older gamer, but I'm equally happy to move on to the amazing contemporary sculpts!
    It's kinda like remembering how great the original Half Life video game was... and then actually booting up those ancient graphics :| !!!!!!

  • @AndreiPek
    @AndreiPek Před 2 lety

    Here I am with the first free hobby 2 hour time I had in 6 months since my baby girl came and what a good time to spend it! building space marines and this vid! YEEE BOYYY!!!

  • @TheSlamburger
    @TheSlamburger Před 2 lety +1

    I’m glad the retro thing is becoming a series. I would kill to see some Squats.

  • @XploreNorfolk
    @XploreNorfolk Před 2 lety

    Duncan, that brought back some happy memories. Even around 96-97 when I got into wargaming, you could still pick that set up around here from some retail outlets. Now go do the whole army, 1500 points, the Emperor demands it. :D

  • @doug12341988
    @doug12341988 Před rokem

    Unlocked a core memory when you said carboots, I went to car boots as a kids around the same time finding similar things

  • @KimKhan
    @KimKhan Před 2 lety +2

    If you play Eldar, you should have an easy time playing Oldhammer!
    Jokes aside, great stuff! Love to see you branching out and making the fun oddball video like this!

  • @YohanPlaine
    @YohanPlaine Před 2 lety

    The Coat d'Arms paints are excellent ! They are the same as the old citadel paints from the early 90 's 👍🏻 I love their smell !

  • @vegancam
    @vegancam Před 2 lety

    Probably my all-time favourite GW miniatures! I actually bought that box set from my local book shop in the small town I grew up in. It was my second ever 40K purchase after picking up the Rogue Trader rulebook and RTB01 Beakie Marines box. Had to save up for weeks and I was in constant fear it would be gone by the time I had the money. This was before I realised layby was a thing. Ah the good old days.

  • @lupo1185
    @lupo1185 Před 2 lety

    thats so cool, great memories. I got an old fashioned terminator-librarian from a friend a while ago, don't know wich year, but I will paint him in a similiar way! :D

  • @pedrobastos8132
    @pedrobastos8132 Před 2 lety

    Gotta say, I kinda like the proportions on this model, and the pose too! Modern terminators sometimes go too much in the "short legs, squatting like crazy" direction. Really cool to see one that actually seems to be standing up straight!

  • @MrTrenttness
    @MrTrenttness Před rokem

    🔥🎸🔥
    Haha! Brilliant retro look to the video!

  • @reubengariby9199
    @reubengariby9199 Před 2 lety

    This video was fantastic! Please PLEASE do some retro 2nd Ed BRIGHT Tyranids! I NEED to see this done!

  • @culturalliberator9425
    @culturalliberator9425 Před 2 lety

    Uh, my god! They look so good!
    They look like stocky suits, so good.

  • @zombiefleshcult2124
    @zombiefleshcult2124 Před 2 lety

    GOBLIN GREEN!
    Also great Video, I'd love to see some 3rd Edition Tyranids!

  • @jlee995
    @jlee995 Před 2 lety

    That classic paint pot for the goblin green made me so nostalgic!

    • @vegancam
      @vegancam Před 2 lety +2

      My friend I can remember the round pot design that came before that, the _original_ Goblin Green that was actually a slightly paler colour!

  • @dannyeccles1894
    @dannyeccles1894 Před 2 lety

    The older sculpts really show their age when you compare them to the newer ones, but daaaaaamn is the nostalgia strong when looking at that mini.

  • @patricklefevre1342
    @patricklefevre1342 Před rokem

    Nice one, I'm planning on painting up some new Savage Orruks in a 90's style for WarCry 😀

  • @demcrusher7086
    @demcrusher7086 Před 2 lety

    The man could take a rock from the back yard and make it a MASTERPIECE! 👍

  • @YohanPlaine
    @YohanPlaine Před 2 lety

    Love early Warhammer ! Love the intro !

  • @GiuseppePasquali2780
    @GiuseppePasquali2780 Před 2 lety

    Now, because of this wonderful video, I feel a moral obligation to collect a 2000 point army of "old style" Ultramarine Primaris. If we are all going back to the 90s, why can't they do it?

  • @johnndamascene
    @johnndamascene Před 2 lety

    Soooo dope 😍

  • @meyogy
    @meyogy Před rokem

    Thanks for the trip down mem lane

  • @boscopit
    @boscopit Před 2 lety

    Oh man I remember these. I had a few back in the mid 90s when I lived in Europe.

  • @TheSynthisis
    @TheSynthisis Před 2 lety

    That comment on the enemy not knowing the power glove was dangerous, that one had me laughing. Can imagine the tyranid hive mind "why that looks big and friendly... BAD BAD BIG YELLOW GLOVE BAD!!"

  • @hazzingtonpaints
    @hazzingtonpaints Před 2 lety

    Oh nice, I spotted an Old School Heroquest in the background!

  • @Swrdfshtrmbns
    @Swrdfshtrmbns Před 2 lety

    This retro series is the best.

  • @soundgarden8885
    @soundgarden8885 Před 2 lety

    I have like 30 pots from the same range as that Goblin Green! Only they are dryer than a desert during the summer :( :( such a pity.
    At least the smell is still there.. oh man i need that shot of retro paint scent now!!!
    So good! BRB!!

  • @carlesriberaberenguer7469

    This guy is a machine!

  • @wiggy5209
    @wiggy5209 Před 2 lety

    My eyes weep to see such culture! Perfection.

  • @dachadMWO
    @dachadMWO Před 2 lety

    Love it. I still use red guns and hazard stripes chainswords on my Primaris Ultramarines.

  • @DrFerazza
    @DrFerazza Před 2 lety

    For some reason, seeing this classic model really brought up those images of classic Fallout power armor. It was definitely an aesthetic in the late 80's, very early 90's.

  • @SanguinaryG
    @SanguinaryG Před 2 lety

    So many times where simplest is best. I have kept the classic 2nd edition scheme on my Ultras since I started. Tried other more current schemes, but found the classic makes them pop far more.