Dr Eggman - A Terrible Villain?
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Time to talk about villains again my friends, and let's talk about one of the most iconic villains in gaming - Dr Eggman.
Chapters:
0:00 - Start and Spoiler Warning
2:02 - Origins
4:33 - Nature vs Machine
10:13 - A Joke or Threatening?
15:10 - Versatility 'n Personality
18:38 - Conclusion
19:53 - End Credits
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I love Eggman because of how flexible he is as an antagonist. In one story, he could be an incredibly funny character that bounces off the heroes really well, and in another, he could be the scariest person imaginable, capable of some real, inhumane cruelty.
He works because his character combines comedy and terror into one being
Literally every game he partners with sonic to fight and even more evil antagonist
@@lokkomotive8153 That's the point, you just don't know what 'antagonst' means. Not every story can be ww2 propaganda for American supremacy, Eggman turns against "the even bigger evil" the same way japan wishes USA didn't solve every war by killing civilians and hiring the dictators.
That's why a big word like 'antagonist' exists, it means the actor in the STORY who unleashes the crisis, not the crisis itself. The big evil in this world is 340 million people who are getting awarded 15 cents less cost for a gallon of gas, only to then let their government take $2 on the top anyway and murder everyone just for the sake of petrodollar and sweatshop air jordans.
@@lokkomotive8153 Really, what about Forces or Sonic 1, 2, 3 and Knuckles
@@senabecool7232 dont forget sonic generations
Personally I think eggman is awesome. He can be in the more funny than threatening side sometimes but he he’s very enjoyable. One of my favorite things about him is that he’s still rather successful even when sonic is foiling his plans. He has a massive empire of robots and fleets of ships, that’s impressive
Even after forces his empire was still intact even when he was defeated. He always has a plan. And if he dissappears again sage will continue his legacy. As she knows he was doing it for her
He is established as a genius without rival in most appearances. Some of the things he pulls off could be considered miracles and if he was a more good-natured person then he could easily be a messiah figure in the sonic setting for how quickly and easily he'd be able to improve global technology.
By far, one of my favorite moments from Eggman comes from the IDW comics. In short, Eggman himself answers the question of why he's been struggling to beat Sonic all these years despite his 300 IQ: he wants to beat Sonic at his own game. If Eggman simply wants Sonic dead, he can carpet bomb the hedgehog anytime he wants or go to some other similar extreme. However, this is about pride. It's not a win for Eggman unless he can prove his superiority over Sonic.
It's like: "Yes, I _could_ pick up a gun, shoot this high-level martial artist in the face and win like that. However, to prove that I'm truly better than them, I'll fight them in their area of expertise and win." This motive for Eggman also explains why Metal Sonic and other such creations exist. Fight fire with fire.
Pre-IDW I thought that he actually tried carpet bombing (S3&K) and it failed.
I don't like how IDW made both Sonic and Eggman basically hold their punches. Sonic thinks he can kill Eggman anytime but he won't because good Eggman would be extremely beneficial for the world. Eggman thinks he can kill Sonic anytime but doesn't want overkill. I think they both are wrong, both are too overpowered to kill each other. Sonic is too fast to kill, Eggman is too good at escaping killers as well. This means that diving into why they limit each other was unnecessary.
@Gnidel I disagree, I think there have been plenty of times when Sonic could have killed Eggman. In unleashed if he simply went for the kill right away before he could press the button, Eggman would be toast. There is no way he can react faster than super sonic could attack.
As for Eggman killing Sonic, I mean it is more debatable, but he could have killed sonic easily in forces.
Nah I feel like egg man is more so at Sonic’s mercy. egg man really doesn’t have the technology to consistently beat sonic. Meanwhile sonic could very well snap one day and just kill egg man in the literal blink of an eye.
I LOVE THIS SCENE SO MUCH
I feel like they're both going easy on eachother.
Eggman works BECAUSE he can be very nuanced in his writing, simply because he clearly shows even HE has people he cares or cared about...
Too bad this franchise sucks lol
@@MasterAlpha1000 for what reason does it suck?
@@faresalsayed9005 the world bulding is constantly being retconded along with the characters that inhabit the world.
Do they live in the same world as humans or do they not?
Where is blaze from? Why does shadow act like a different person? Does it even matter?
So far sonic world building is basically “wherever the writer wants it to be at the moment”
Eggman has stopped working as a villain since SA2. What kind of nonsense fanfiction are you talking about ?
@@jerrithegentlemen6070 that problem has more or less been fixed since sega after frontiers has hired a team of lore masters (yes that’s what they’re called) whose job is to keep the series’s world building and characters consistent
Eggman is a fine villain as you can incorporate him in a ton of different moods and it can still work. Eggman is threatening enough to do some heartless and low actions to get any advantage over Sonic, but he is also goofy and funny so you can depict him as a person with some level of good and conscious to them like in Sonic Frontiers. Eggman just suffered from flanderization and a poor script in the mid 2000s - the 2010s as they either deprived him of any comedy in Sonic 06 or usually made him nothing except comedic relief like in pretty much most games.
He had comedy in 06. "Wouldn't the Door have been easier"? "Throwing a temper tantrum in Sonic's second to last cutscene. It was one of his best portrayals for him being threatening.
In terms of having a sense of humor, Dr. Eggman during Sonic 06 was just like Black Doom from Shadow the Hedgehog.
Nothing about this works on this dumb franchise lol
@@MasterAlpha1000 for someone who says this franchise is bad you seem to be very obsessed with it
To me, Eggman's always been the kind of villain who enjoys being goofy and bombastic, but at the same time knows when to take things seriously and be really menacing. It's a shame the writing wasn't really good over the last games, but thankfully Frontiers came to show him once again in all his glory.
Too bad this franchise sucks
@@MasterAlpha1000 why are you posting this under every comment? what are you trying to accomplish?
"but thankfully Frontiers came to show him once again in all his glory."
WTF are you talking about ? Eggman didn't do ANYTHING in Frontiers but whine about being trapped in Cyberspace. And no, giving him a daughter was one of the stupidest choices SEGA could ever make. Since it's not even well handled, as it's based on nothing but AUDIO EXPOSITION.
Honestly, I love Eggman. To the point where I've almost come to see him as more of a draw to the Sonic games than Sonic himself, or at the very least I've come to like him more than Sonic. And while he does lack some consistency and balance between being a serious or goofy villain, it kinda feels like that works in his favor, making his character more flexible so that he can still feel like a faithful adaptation of the same character in almost any role he's put in. It's never really felt like he's acting out of character, regardless of whether he's slipping and falling over like a goof, or strapping a bomb to his enemies and launching them into space. He could be written better, but he still has that odd silly/serious charm that a lot of Japanese media does so well. Being a goofball is fine, but they need to dial back how dumb he can be, because that is the one sticking point in his characterization for me. After all, being as smart as he is, I find it REALLY hard to believe he would've ever released ancient evils like Dark Gaia or the Flames if Disaster after that mishap with Chaos in the first Sonic Adventure.
I think that his ego really plays into his repeat failures, like with the afformentioned death monsters he releases; of course he thinks he's smarter than those mere beasts and therefore can control them, he's the smartest man alive, nothing can outsmart him
@@featherlan sure but imo that's not that interesting because that is like every villain ever's personality flaw
You mentioning how Eggman isn’t a man of destruction even though he could easily destroy everything reminds me how Eggman Nega is truly his opposite in that regard. While Eggman is only interested in ruling, Nega is a man who only cares to see the world burn around him and wishes to cause as much destruction as possible. It sucks that we don’t get to see the two doctors interact more.
We don't see Nega more due to it being impossible to say his name without the N word pass.
@@bestaround3323That is a lie. The writers simply aren't using him. Don't go around spreading false information like that
@@sliceninja4546 You hate me for speaking the truth
@@bestaround3323 what truth? Are you this delusional that you can't own up to your dumb mistake? lol
@@bestaround3323 Source: BeCaUsE I sAiD sO
To me, Dr. Eggman is a Fun Villain, he can be entertaining and can be very terrifying. It all depends on who knows how to write him and How Sega wants him to act.
Too bad Forces made him cringe and he was without humor.
@@ChiefMedicPururu IKR
@@ChiefMedicPururu so true, Forces did nothing with idea of Eggman taken over the world
@@FrostTheHobidon Not only that, the whole Fake Sun thing. I've seen a few people who said that Eggman really deserved to be killed after something like that.
I love how IDW Eggman threw Starline off guard with his easy going and goofy attitude and pulled the UNO reverse card on him later down the line with exactly that.
Being silly while staying true to the threat you pose as a character is something i absolutely love about this specific iterration of the evil genius. It really puts him on this level of being so good at what he does that he doesn't see the risks...of course that's also a huge weakness that's been exploited by multiple people...but thats why i think he's so great.
Can't write a good character without flaws that are as crucial as his strengths eh?
Give me a break, Eggman being lazy and complacent after he achieve his zombi apocalypse nonsense lead -Starline- Walmart Snively to betray him by employing the Undeadly Koopalings. No amount of "DURRR UNO REVERSE CARD" can excuse how stupid he is.
Stop pretending this is a godd character lmfao
I think right now Archie Eggman during Ian Flynn's run is my favorite version of the character, with a close second being IDW Eggman. No other version of Eggman has pushed Sonic to his limit quite like Archie Eggman. I'll never forget that time he *completely razed Sonic's home and made him think all his friends were dead.* And I'll never forget that when Sonic *sprinted from coast to coast* while screaming "Limit?! I'll SHOW YOU MY LIMIT!" Eggman's mech took the hit, and *no sold it.* No other version of Eggman has been quite as much of a threat to Sonic as Archie Sonic.
Archie Eggman feels gratuitously evil in an unsatisfyingly stupid and cheap way. Partly because of the plot stupidity Sonic and the Freedom Fighters have. And don't even bother to bring IDW Eggman. He's such an idiot, he didn't know what else to do with his Metal Virus garbage plot device which lead to his minion betraying him by calling The Undeadly Koopalings from Lost World back. Just stop please......
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Dude we're talking about the same character right? Eggman has been gratuitously evil since his inception in the very first game. I don't even know what you're talking about with "Plot stupidity of the freedom fighters", and Eggman has always been infamously short sighted. Even some of his best game portrayels don't have plans for the long term and it fucks him over. That's always been part of his character, so I don't know what you're complaining about. And- Just stop please? You're coming at me like we're having a month old argument when I've never seen your name in my life.
He’s a great villain specifically because of how flexible he is. His methods, aesthetics, even his goals are very easy to twist. Him being a genuine apocalyptic threat is just as natural as him being a Goofy Villain. He wants to rule the world, uses animals to power his machines and his perfect empire is Theme Park themed. He can desolate landscapes, summon Eldritch monsters and enslave innocent creatures and how dark you want that to be is entirely on you because it’s entirely valid
I think egg man is a perfect villain for the sonic universe being the lines of chaotic evil and sometimes chaotic neutral when it fits the theme sonic goes for he's like a joker to the batman his goals are never quite clear but for all intended purposes he keeps the audience entertained by his numerous antics schemes and plans and you know its to oppose sonic he also works as a perfect foil to sonic with him being a human who wants to control everything and sonic being a animal who just wants to be free and freedom for all
Eggman is a great villain because he can be either A legit MENACE or a goofy silly guy or straight up both. It all just depends on how effective it’ll be based on the writing
Eggman has stopped being a great villain since SA2. Stop pretending he still is one.
My personal favorite eggman is from the boom cartoon. I tend to like comedic villains way more than serious villains and I just find him so dang funny in that show
Personally I think Eggman is a Great Villain and I don’t mind when he’s a goofball(when it’s not too much ofc) bc it makes his serious moments that more intense although I do love when his Goofy and menacing side are at a balance with each other like in the Archie comics/Idw comics, Adventure games, and Unleashed
Agreed. I like making small jokes on him or him doing something funny for 10 seconds. And doing more menacing things. He is a genius his not an idiot. We all have a goofy moment once in a while but we're not like this
Archie eggman is so underrated
A perfect mix between SatAM and adventure era eggman
IDW Eggman is an idiot and those comics are trash.
I loved his Archie counterpart the best. There he actually killed people or worse. He was a legit threat with real success and ruled most of the world. It was great and I really miss that version.
Same he was a proper villain.
Insert Egg Grapes flashback here...
Yah plus in archie he basically playing roulette in archie plus my god he both funny and a threat still
Idw comic Eggman is a MENACE
Definitely has that DAWG in him
Eggman will probably always be my favourite villain. There are definitely better written more impactful ones but there's something about the bad doctor that tickles my fancy. His eccentric nature, his charisma, his awesome mechs, his freaking laugh all make excited for his next evil scheme. Another cool part about him is relationship with Sonic. They both have a lot of pride and ego to them but especially stubborness. Eggman will never stop coming back and enacting some plot of world domination and Sonic will never stop thwarting said plot. They'll never say it to each others faces but there's a lot of respect there.
For me personally, I like Eggman with a mix of both comedy and seriousness. I want it to feel like there will be dire consequences if I let this egg shaped super genius win but let's all be honest, no one's taking a guy named Eggman riding around in his Egg Mobile seriously 100% of the time. I feel like Eggman's the type of character you want to nail a balance with and really add a sense of unpredictability to him, never knowing what he'll do next. It's just that the 2010's did an awful job balancing it (still think Eggman was the most entrrtaining in the cast at this time. Not saying much, I know).
Eggman has stopped being a good villain since SA2. Since then, he was either too boring, too incompetent, too goofy, too soft and never taken seriously.
0:45 I would recommend Sonic P-06
7:38 I kinda imagine if Games Eggman met Archie Eggman, he’d end up teaming up with both Sonics to defeat his counterpart
What I would say for any protagonist and antagonist is this: "it doesn't matter what type of character you are if you don't use it probably." I can't really say much about Eggman since it was a very long time since I played a Sonic game. The latest game I played was Sonic the Hedgehog 2. So all I can say is Eggman can be at times at his highest but also can be a joke sometimes. All I have to say is one thing:
GET A LOAD OF THIS!
*properly
One part I found interesting from the IDW comics is when Dr. Starline tries to blow up Sonic and Silver Eggman berates him for it, not wanting some new lackey of his to take down the hedgehog. When Starline asks if Eggman wants him gone, Eggman says he could bomb Sonic whenever he felt like but that's too easy. That's why Eggman waited 6 months to actually drop Sonic into space intead of getting a Zavok illusion to strangle him or something. Eggman wants the last laugh. For Sonic's final moments to be ones where Eggman seems unstoppable. This has a pattern of not working but Eggman's too prideful to just go to Sonic sleeping under a tree and nuke him. He needs to *beat* him.
Even the not-well-received games is consistent with that aspect. Eggman rather had Sonic's shoes be switched with slower-moving ones while putting him in a confusing place than outright killing him in Labyrinth, or how he kept Sonic alive in Forces just to be launched in space to show him how much of the world he had conquered.
That sounds insanely stupid and contrived. "DURRRR MUH PRIDE". IDW Sonic is trash.
" That's why Eggman waited 6 months to actually drop Sonic into space intead of getting a Zavok illusion to strangle him or something."
That's.......NOT how things went in Forces. Stop injecting your laughable headcanon to defend a garbage game lol
@@spongebobfan78 "how he kept Sonic alive in Forces just to be launched in space to show him how much of the world he had conquered."
Except he didn't. Again, stop projecting your fanfictions into Forces lol
Funnily when Eggman was unleashing unstoppable evils and getting betrayed by them without learning his lesson, that was during the period where a lot of fans consider the writing to be at its strongest. But the moment the games went in a more comedic direction, Eggman would consistently go back to being the final boss. Even when his new toys did cross him a la Lost World, he'd still find a way to get back on top in the end. In Generations he even managed to maintain control of the Time Eater the entire time.
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Honestly, Eggman works because he can be comedic and funny.
I mean the guy gets under cut how many times, yet still can stick around and make a mega death robot.
This video covers all the reasons why Eggman is my third favorite Sonic character. The guy to me is threatening as much as he is comedic when given a good script. I feel as though Eggman is at his best when the more comedic parts of his character are used to offset the darker and more threatening aspects of who he is and the things he’s willing to do to accomplish his goals. His character is versatile enough to work in a variety of stories that have different tones but still be entertaining to watch if written well. This was a great analysis.
When it comes to Eggman, I kind of prefer when he's more lighthearted yet still a threat. Sure, in certain games, the comical aspect can overshadow the villainous side, but he still pulls his weight in that regard. Plus, I find Eggman kind of boring when he's completely serious. Like, yeah he can be threatening, but when you're only character trait is serious world conqueror, it becomes bland and unmemorable. I mean, Bowser doesn't have all that much depth to him in the mainline Mario games, yet people still remember him because of how long he's been around. Eggman has not only been around almost as long but has been made memorable through his cartoonish villainy. He has depth to his character, and no matter what, he's always entertaining.
The fact his name is Eggman points to the fact that he intended not to be taken 100% seriously. Even his redesign was said to have been modelled off a circus master's outfit. He shows he's goofy and loves a good show.
The only problem with eggman in frontiers is that we didn't get enough of his and sages interactions (and no the memos don't count because you have to go out of your way to get them)
This channel has become one of my favorites
Something that makes Eggman stand out as a villain to me, is that as a kid, my first exposure to him was Sonic Underground, a dystopian version of Sonic's world where Robotnik rounds up rebels and civilians to robotizise them. Not only was that the first time I had seen a dystopia (which obviously made it stick) but the concept of robotization just was scary as heck to me. Even today, it's a kind of body horror that makes me slightly uncomfortable and, by extension, cemented Robotnik as a very intimidating evil, despite his appearance.
Sometimes I wonder if *that* is the reason why became such a joke. Because the idea could be considered too scary to kids? Then again, I don't think robotization has been a part of the character in a while. I'm admittedly not too deep in Sonic lore. My last extensive venture was Sonic Forces and SA2B before that.
I've been around since the beginning and I can attest that Eggman is perhaps one of my favorite antagonists. From the early Sega games (not including Mean Bean Machine) to the 90's OVA, and the Archie comics, Sat AM, and beyond, I think he's a great villain that stood the test of time. He does have goofy moments, I think we all do. Not everyone can be 100% genius mode 24/7/365. And that humanity where he does have those moments is what makes him more compelling, imho.
Someone out there made a really great fanfic/video of a possible origin for Eggman, idk what it’s called but you should definitely see it
I love Eggman! Growing up with the cartoons like Boom and a little bit of X, as well as watching cutscenes from some of the games, I don't necessarily think of him as a villain, but more as Sonic's antagonist. Antagonists aren't always villains, just look at Silver from Pokémon or Jiren from DBS. Plus, I love it when he's used for comedy and when he teams up with Sonic.
In X and Boom he is more of an antagonist but in the games he is a villain. He literally makes an effort to kill Sonic in the game canon.
God, you grew up with the WORST cartoons possible, no wonder your vision of him is so skewered lol
Great video, man.
Aw i thought we are going to talk about *Genius Scientist Villains in Video games.* I want to talk *Specter from Ape Escape.*
Per usual, this’s a very solid video and a great analysis of Eggman’s character. Honestly, I think the main reason that Eggman has stood the test of time more than most other videogame villains, with the only one who’s remotely as iconic as him being Bowser, is how malleable he is. As you said, there’s plenty of different takes and interpretations of his character, some being more serious and intimidating and others on the comedic and humorous side. And while some are better than others, I wouldn’t really say there’s a flat-out bad version of Eggman since each one serves their role well: that being a foil to Sonic as well as a diabolical and egomaniacal doctor who stands in his way at every turn. He’s certainly simple as far as villains go, but very effective, and with Frontiers exploring his more human and grounded side with his relationship with Sage, I’ll be more than looking forward to how he’s written in the future.
Also, a large shoutout goes to Mike Pollock, who’s been voicing him all the way back since Sonic X and captures his pompous personality perfectly with every game he’s been in. Along with just being a delightful human being in general who’s surprisingly very active on Twitter.
The Netflix series “High Score” mentions the developer at the park with Sonic, another animal, and a human character (likely the beta pajama Dr. Eggman). I thought Classic Eggman was round in order to spin dash when he was planned as the main character. But the question still remains, why is Dr. Robonik related to eggs most of the time? There’s the name in Dr. Eggman, the machines in the Egg Wrecker, Egg Crusher, and Egg Dragoon, and him serving eggs and bacon to his ex (Twitter Takeover 5). What started that?
I thought that it's because of his shape.
@@sayer4148 Modern Eggman is shaped like an egg. Classic Eggman is round like when Sonic curls up into a spin dash. Where did the developers started the egg related names and motifs?
@@juanca2567 I don't know, but Billy Hatcher gives for a good evidence that someone at Sega really liked eggs.
@@Gnidel Is Billy Hatcher a Sega employee? If so, then the “Hatcher” part of his name is the giveaway.
11:14 I've been waiting for this!
I love Eggman as a villain or antagonist. My favorite is still the Sonic X with it being the first time I saw him show any humanity or kindness of any sort. While also being both a menace and joke. Which also first showed me how flexible of a character he is.
this is a more in depth analysis version for eggman from the ‘the right way and wrong way to make a villain’ video
I didn't expect that tribute to jay briscoe at the end but to get to the topic if eggman, GET A LOAD OF THIS!
I was not expecting a Briscoe tribute at the end. Knowing that you're into pro wrestling makes ma glad I found your videos a few years ago.
I want a game that is a follow up to Frontiers, where Sage has a family and Eggman is more focused on being a father and looking after his own. Metal Sonic would make for a really... interesting big brother. I don't know, I just want more of Dadnik.
That sounds so utterly cringe
Dr. Eggman is definitely one of the more fun villains out there. He can be entertaining and can be very terrifying. I personally prefer the comic versions of him, but Frontier was also interesting due to coming off as more human that he is. Cannot wait to see your video on Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V as well and I am curious to hear your critique about it.
I like how he used a fandub to show how he holds amy at gunpoint - 8:24
Great video for a great villain :)
Not sure what I can add, so GET A LOAD OF THIS !
@MangaKamen Honestly with how Robotnik's history was I think it was just Inevitable that he would become a father of sorts like his grandfather Gerald heck if you think about it hard enough SA2 was a Seed planted for Robotnik until we got to Sonic Frontiers for it to finally take effect
"GET A LOAD OF THIS!"
The thing I have wanted the most from my childhood to now, is a Eggman video game
I wasn't expecting a Snapcube reference (even though I should've) and my day is immediately more giggly because of it
I am not a Sonic fan but man the way you explained Dr Eggmans motivations and personality kinda makes him interesting. I almost would pick up that IDW comic just to see him be more dangerous.
He is like Batman. He can be goofy or scary. The execution and tone have to work.
in the Archie comics eggman is even more terrifying here’s a comment by trox that explains it best “Eggman is actually nuts in the comics. The Zombot Virus in the IDW run is a pretty good example, but in older series he did even more extreme stuff.
You know, like paralyzing his subordinates but keeping them conscious and just locking them in small dark cabinets for god knows how long for fun. I think at one point he traps Snivelv in an animal capsule deep underground and lets a clone of him roam free so no one even bothers to look for him.
Hell, at one point he straight up just builds a mech that completely counters Sonic just to prove a point, that the only reason the Freedom Fighters had any chance was because he held back so it wouldn't be boring for him.” and that’s not even mentioning the eggs grapes which eggman used to drain thousands of people of their life and use their bodies as fuel
Don't bother with IDW, it's complete trash.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Why do you hate the IDW comics?
@@rustyshackelford4224 Because they're poorly written, Sonic is a hypocrite, the worldbuilding is nonexistent and is reduced to just "member old games ?", several characters have been bastardized like Shadow and Silver, where are the humans and GUN ? The new OCs range from godawful to lazy and uninspired, to a complete waste of potential.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 So Sonic still hasn't really recovered from that Ken Penders fiasco, eh?
The Eggman from the sonic anime was always a treat to me from how wacky he could be like taking over tv broadcasts and playing his own to make people love him to to his absolute evil nature and disregarding dropping a child from hundreds of feet in the air. His respect for sonic was also in full view where he even found sonic injured and took him in to recover stating that if he’s gonna destroy sonic it’s gonna be when he’s at his best not profiting off of someone else’s work.
I notice the Unleashed footage being shown often (note very time) when you reference his more comedic side but I must say, I find Eggman in Unleashed to be great, maybe at his best even (maybe SA2 or Frontiers take that title tho), as he’s shown in-game and in cinematics to be very very dangerous, as well as a bit funny. Notably his space fleet and trap for Sonic in the opening, his successful creation of Eggmanland, and literally everything about the Egg Dragoon fight, from the music, to his dialogue, to the setting and utter desperation to stomp Sonic out, you can tell he’s really REALLY trying to just straight up KILL Sonic as they fall together to the center of the Earth, even Sonic is caught off guard by his attitude this time around. Makes sense given he’d finally beaten Sonic at the beginning of the game (only survived because Chip saved him) and yet he came back from the grave, restored the planet, and now demolished his dream creation of Eggmanland.
My favourite version of Eggman is hands down SA2 version. Not just because he's threatening or powerful, but also because he's smart. Like actually smart. Not only Eggman discovered Tails' plan to use fake Emerald to destroy Eclipse Cannon, he was also able to keep the fact that he knew until a better moment. He announced that he knew about the fake Emerald plan right after trapping Sonic in a capsule, and he does so so forcibly it shocks Tails, making Eggman's bluff that more effective. This and the pyramid scene before made me fell in love with this version of Eggman's character
That being said, Boom version is my second favourite. He's not dumb as rocks (I'm looking at you, Boost Era), but also show's great writing made him genuinely hilarious yet relatable. Frienemy aspect of Sonic wields a lot of potential
Yeah... Basically that's my overextended way to say Eggman is versatile. Just please, Sega, hire better writers
I like the idea of dr robotnik having the eyes as of satam robotnik behind the glasses.
While the bad endings are noncannon they do a good job to show how Eggman even with his main plans foiled can just bounce back and rule the world if given the chance, and we do get to see echoes of that in cannon in the bad futures in Sonic CD, Blowing up half the moon with some of the chaos emerald in SA2, ripping the world into 7 parts with the 7 emeralds, doing that with one emerald in Sonic Advance 3.
10:48 A clip of Mr. Perfect.. a man of culture I see.
No he’s one kid the best alongside King Koopa himself
Metallic/Robotic counterpart of heroes villains is a troupe I love could you make a video on them?
4:12 The Sonic Bible was for the US continuity (as well as the Fleetway comic and the EU Sonic canon guidebook, Stay Sonic) and made by Sega America. I'm _pretty sure_ it got tossed out in the Adventure era when the US continuity got tossed out. And then Sega just kind of stopped caring about the canon after the Adventure era until recently. Like how Knuckles just casually stops guarding the Master Emerald whenever something important happens instead of him only taking action whenever something happens to it. They acknowledged this on that Tails CZcams series but didn't bother to justify it or retcon it in a way that actually works.
Eggman is a unique villain in that he wants inspiration for his work. What better inspiration than fighting a blue rodent that moves faster than the speed of sound.
8:24 Okay, that caught me off-Guard
Nice and informative video. I had a question though.
By chance did the Sonic X clips featured in this video come from my video, the A-Z of Dr. Eggman's Insults? Not upset or anything, I'm just wondering. 🤔
Not that I know of
Eggman: get a load of this & no way I can't believe this
6:19 Eggman with a clock at the end of the metal virus arc was wild ASF🤯( I’m so happy that Ian Flynn saved the forces storyline in the comics, the IDW comics are good👍🏻)
Egg man has always been one of my favorite villains and while I don't follow sonic franchise that much that still hasn't changed. I've even made character's in other games to look like him.
Eggman is probably one of my favorite videogame villains... if we talk about him between Sonic 1 and Sonic Adventure 2, and then Frontiers. Pretty much everything between SA2 and Frontiers is pretty trash, sadly.
He wasn’t really doing anything in Frontiers so he’s trash in that one as well
Yay, he’s gonna cover arc V! My wish came true
19:29 - 19:34 - GET A LOAD OF THIS!
And as a bonus:
We all danced in fire trapped in this machine.
Don't know how long we've waited as the Eggman's watching.
^
Only dabbled in a little bit in the Sonic franchise(Mostly the cartoons), but man do I love that song.
Yes!!! Finaly!! I feel as tho Eggman hardly gets any coverage at all. LETS DO THIS!!!!
Eggman is honestly a very versatile antagonist, to the point where the kind of character he is is entirely dependant on who's writting him and what kind of story he's in.
That's why we can have:
The Sonic SatAm version eho is a complete inhuman monster , the Sonic Boom version who is a goofball with a chip on his shoulder, his recent Sonic Frontiers version who is pridefull and arrogant but still cares about a select few etc. While staying fundimentally the same character.
Honestly if there’s anything I can complement Sega on, it’s that the characters of Sonic can be incorporated into many different tones and styles without it feeling strange most of the time. The problem is the varying quality of games tbh
In terms of eggman's writing, it might be a time for a change of pace
Whats the music that plays at the start of the Nature vs Machine segment? I know I've heard it before, I can't remember what its from, though.
Weather Report's theme
Ayo can someone tell me the song in the intro? The bass is amazing!
Love the character both for his charisma and his cutthroat nature. Eggman has his good and bad games but in some ways I find that has a charm to it too, just like us we have good days and bad days. But his comic panels that is him at his best.
On the comedy part, I felt like generations did it well,he showed up at the end with his past self and laughs like a maniac, then his past self is just like whoa, do I really go that insane? It wasn’t something that had my sides splitting but it was still funny without taking away too much from the threat.
I love how Eggman can be so threatening yet so goofy it's great to have a fun villain. He's absolutely just entertaining and fun to watch
what is that round eggman animation from it looks nice
The one thing I can say about Eggman is my surprise with how both Paramount and Jim Carrey handled him. The trailers made it seem like he was going to be the typical bumbling goofball idiot villain like most kids movies. Instead he was very smart and intimidating! He even said Tom's last name correctly instead of the cliché of always getting it wrong.
Which is ironic since Tom then says Robotnik wrong.
Wasn't the whole torture bit exclusive to the _English_ script for Forces? I remember reading how there is no mention of torture in the original Japanese script.
"Hack into my systems, will he?!"
Proceeds to pull out laser Glock
2:40 IIRC, he was actually based on a sports mascot version of Teddy Roosevelt, hence why he looks more like a caricature .
I do like it when he is the Main villain of the game and isnt replaced by The One in the game and is forced to work with Sonic, like in Lost World or Heroes. Or is suddenly not the final boss because he couldnt Control the new energy or the new being, like Chaos or Dark Gaia.
It's hard for me to pinpoint what I like about Eggman. I either enjoy when he can be a bit cartoony, after a while he's gotten to know his adversaries so much that he could easily have a casual conversation with them, even if he still intends on destroying them, on the other hand, I do love his interpretation in the comics. I love the level of power and authority he had over everyone, Sonic just never took him seriously because he probably knew it would tick him off. I guess I like it more when Eggman has power and authority the most in my opinion, I guess cause I think it works well with Sonic's dynamic.
I will definitely say when I think of Eggman, I usually imagine hearing the E.G.G.M.A.N. Doc Robeatnix theme in the background.
6:51 I'm guessing this is after the Genesis Wave because I'm _pretty sure_ the Dark Legion absolutely could.
Yugioh arc v review? Nice ill be waiting!
Most underrated channel on CZcams
Channels like this are a dime a dozen
13:51 Funny you should say, Morio Kishimoto, the director of the current Sonic games, hinted in a recent reply Tweet that Infinite may be coming back in the future.
1:21 "Cameo!"
Considering how much you've been doing about villains lately, maybe you should probably try and do a video about Mao from Disgaea 3 some day.
6:08 He also had a deep, smooth voice while Sonic had the grating, higher pitched voice of Steve Urkel
I mean all three 90s Sonic cartoons used the same voice (especially Sonic Underground) but that was the only time Robotnik had a voice the exact reverse of his because at the time Sonic was given a unified voice but for some reason Robotnik wasn't (I mean Baldry probably had a smooth singing voice at least but his Robotnik was just as nasal-y as Sonic and his Robotnik was intentionally a terrible singer). And now Mike Pollock is somehow the only Sonic voice actor with job security lol, how turned the tables have (granted 90s Sonic had like two or three other voice actors before Adventure, including the person who sang "They call me Sonic." Course even then they all had the same direction, nasal-y and higher pitched while the three robotniks sounded completely different from each other).
I wasn't expecting a sad moment from the voice actor. may you rest in peace.
Eggman was always a comedy villain in Japan but the American version named Robotnik was designed to be a true dangerous villain. It's now in the later years the writing has begun to merge the two.
Love those moments when Eggman helps out the team to save the world. Granted he's doing it so that he could take over it in his own way, but it does show he isn't a cold-hearted person. The endearing yet very intimidating character is what makes Eggman, well Eggman. Glad you brought up Robotnik from SATAM since he is a pretty good villain and he definitely looks very intimidating. The comics still do have a good portrayal on how to make Eggman an intimidating villain. I really don't like how Eggman started turning into the butt of the joke. Hence why Sonic Boom's version of Eggman didn't click for me.
*"King Dragon sends his regards"*
Eggman in my opinion has been holding back more and more on Sonic. Not cause he knows he will lose, but cause Eggman wants to keep testing Sonic and keeping him on his toes.
As a rival, but still has his own ambitions.
Releasing an Ancient evil? He's not doing it cause Eggman thinks he can control it, no it's cause he knows SONIC WILL STOP IT.
Have you noticed from all the ancient evils he has released.. Eggman infact... has NOT assisted sonic at all with em?
Sonic Adventure 2 he did, Sonic Lost World he did, but unleashed? NOPE! Sonic Adventure 1? NOPE! Sonic 06? NOPE! (Well unti the end but didn't contribute much)
Even in Sonic Battle you could say Eggman knew Emerl wouldn't listen and Sonic would stop him... the real reason eggman did what he did back then was to make Gemerl his own Emerl WICH DID BETRAY HIM and DID TEAM UP WITH SONIC to defeat it, cause he though he had full control.
This is why in Frontiers he is abit stubborn at 1st cause he was stuck unable to fight Sonic and Test Him, but in the end, worked with Sonic to stop The End, cause let's face it.
Eggman was never intent on using The End for his own profit, he was after the Ancient's tech and the intergration of Sage.
If anything you noticed when Sage reports that Sonic seems to keep going, Eggman doesn't seem as annoyed Sonic is advancing to his goal... maybe since he secretly is cheering on Sonic.
This is why the line he says: "He is a true adversary but I hate him" is him more saying: "Yea I trust sonic to do the job, but still... I have to beat him too"
In the end... when Eggman TRUELY THINKS Sonic cannot deal with a thing, he will team up with him. Eggman knows Sonic is gonna keep getting stronger and keep pushing Eggman's limits.
In the end... Eggman will never kill Sonic, cause Eggman wants to keep improving too and Sonic is the only one who can do that.
You can 100% know that Eggman can also kill Sonic very easily, but in the end... as we see in "Forces"... Eggman doesn't want a dead sonic, he wants a sonic to keep beating over and over. Knowing that he is in control of that dang hedgehog!
I will NOT be seeing Eggman SLANDER on my timeline!!
I can't HANDLE IT!! 😭😭😭
Archie Eggman was terrifying honestly. It's like in a world with gods and monsters. Eggman is the one force that reminds everyone why he is the main villain.
Like he was so dangerous even Dr Wily saw him as a danger because Eggman straight up tried to murder him!
GET A LOAD OF THIS.
A good Eggman is basically like early Paper Mario's Bowser imo: someone with a clearly gigantic presence that is enjoyable to watch because he's surprisingly ham for someone who wants total rule/control, but is also still a force to be reckoned with.
The sassier characters (like Sonic or PM Peach) can taunt them and make it an interesting dynamic, but you also need to legitimately acknowledge the danger they pose; otherwise they're all sauce and no meat. The reason Eggman holding Amy at gunpoint in SA2 works is because it's clearly a tense scene if not for Sonic's snarkiness, and yet this is the same game where Eggman scratches his butt while watching a news broadcast.
Sonic Unleashed started, and the following "Boost" games plus Lost World (or "Meta era" if you want a group name for all of them) continued to make him just the butt of everyone's jokes, even his own assistants's. Frontiers works by legitimately working around that, acknowledging he has been taken both seriously AND lightly before in cleanly separate instances, and providing an extra side to him by writing around a missed opportunity from SA2.
If you want a new villain, then they need to either be opposite to someone else, or oppose a different side of Sonic himself (without somehow being a rival instead; Metal Sonic already does both, and both Knuckles and Shadow have once done the same and are now more or less just rivals to Sonic due to the same clashes of personalities that had them be enemies before). Infinite looked promising not because he was trying to be a Sonic rival, but because he was more or less the big threat that the masses, including the Avatar, feared; and thus helped push the Avatar's character arc instead. Meanwhile his interactions with Sonic fall flat. On the other hand is Mephiles, who targetted Sonic but never interacted with him; and yet it worked because he clashes with Shadow and dupes Silver instead, challenging both of their beliefs in different ways.
Eggman is the best. I like how sometimes his funny to be introduced to a younger audience who don't know this guy has killed with his creations a few people. Out of all of that his a brilliant genius man. He always has a trick and shows his genius and is cool. Out of all the villains in the world I would always say he is the greatest. Because he is a human being who doesn't rely on magic or God powers like many do. He is a genius.
And most importantly. He is the Eggman.
I feel like the issue is in the main series he hasn't had a lot of times to shine. He's either not well-written or being undercut by another villain. Are there any modern games where he's good and the main villain?
I feel like a lot of people like the idea of Eggman moreso than how he's actually portrayed most of the time, if that makes sense.