Large bore vs. small bore (jazz) trombone
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2016
- Demonstrating the difference between large bore vs. small bore (jazz) trombone.
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Check out a recent in-depth comparison I did on large bore vs medium bore! czcams.com/video/f8Yx5anfidg/video.html
I'm personally a fan of the large bore sound. As for playing experience, people always say the small bore is easier to play, but as a complete amateur who plays low brass infrequently and hasn't figured out the 'proper' embouchure, I'm much more confident on a large-bore, symphonic horn. I have a very wide aperture when I play low brass, and this doesn't pair well with the 'barky' nature of jazz horns. Nice comparison and great sound!
Same here! I transitioned to large-bore in band rather quickly and eventually played and majored in bass trombone late high school/early college. Up until I started a doctorate, I played on large-bore, so after some time, I've found the medium-bore a nice middle ground. As primarily a jazz trombonist (though I spent 8 years studying classical), I do think it's important to address the small-bore horn at some point, even if it's not preferred; when you start working, versatility can really come in handy and specialty work can be extremely hard to come by. Good luck out there on your musical journey!
Good demo and presentation, man! As a trombone player myself(h.s., college and now the Lake Charles Community Band; we're here on CZcams and Facebook as well. Check us out.), I can say right away that the smaller bore sounds "brighter" and crisper, which is to be expected. The larger bore should be played when you're desiring a darker, more mellow tone
Good rule of thumb, @Dale Andrews! (I'll check it the band in a bit.)
Transcribe it! That's how you really learn the music. Whatever it takes, it's up to you to figure it out!
The large bore has a nice sound but my small bore student horn is very ideal for the high notes of pep band and it’s a lot more lightweight and has taken more of a beating than my recently acquired large bore Getzen 725
Agreed! This is on of many issues that causes conflict over what the ideal horn is and can complicate what horn(s) you ultimately decide to play on.
great information for me
You sound more easy on the small bore and on the trigger horn like your being expected to play better, prefer the second example in how you play on this video, nice work!
Wow, great insight! This makes sense; I was working on the small bore that summer, which got me wondering what sounds better to other people. Thanks!
Im a saxophone player alto tenor an baritone .lm waiting for a trombone in the mailI like the small bore what would be the best mouthpiece for a small bore trombone? Thank you .😊
That was amazing!
Thank you!
No problem bro! And I'm currently in 8th grade and i play a large bore trigger trombone, but i have so many troubles playing high notes, for example a high G, but when i use my friends small bore its easy and i can play the G very clear, but on my trombone, it's very difficult, and tips to help me hit high notes on my large bore? Or you can make a video lol, but thanks for reading this if you can ;) Keep up the great videos.
you may have to take a few steps backwards, but learning this now will really help you in the long run.
make sure you relaxingly breath in, filling in from the very bottom of the lungs to the tip-top of them. then, exhale, all in one motion. like the ocean on the shore, in & out in one, relaxed breath. EVERY time you play.
next, is the embouchure. set it like you are blowing out a candle, and don't let it change.
followed by this is the aperture. before "blowing out the candle", let your lips come together, like you're about to say the letter 'p'.
put it all together and there you have it!
and remember, to play higher, raise the back of your tongue, as if saying the 'ee' syllable. 'oh' syllable for lower notes.
"sneeze" and raise the rest of the tongue for higher notes! always relaxed, take care and hopefully see ya in the music world soon!
Thanks homie! Thanks for all the help too! i hope to be very good just like you.
Check out the new video I just made explaining some of this stuff!
Both were great but something about the large bore that was extra special
Pebble Beach Thanks for sharing! Do you happen to have any specifics on why the large horn may have sounded special? Also, do you play either of these sized horns?
@@jazzbonept I play a .495 ....they both sounded terrific but the large bore produced more fidelity... maybe a different melody would have spotlighted the small bore. Trombone’s are the best sounding instruments on the planet they are all music to my ears. I enjoy your channel 🙏☝️👍🍖
@@pebblebeach8517 Interesting! It makes sense because at the time of recoding this video, I had only been playing on a small bore for a few weeks. Similar to learning any instrument and feeling 'at home,' I would imagine it takes years of daily practice to find the sweet spot (of small bore) and really let it shine. Glad you're enjoying my channel! I agree, trombone is the BEST sounding instrument 😎 (we need a trombone emoji...)
Of course, mouthpiece sizes can change the sound as well. The super is a dual bore if I'm not mistaken. I have the olds Studio which is the same bore I believe. Both are very good horns. I would take it over a Bach 6.
Adam, I didn't know that about the Olds, thanks for sharing! I'm a Bach lifer, but I did love the sound that came out of the Super. I sold it a couple years back to purchase a Bach 36 LT (good fit for my classical training and jazz-directed career path), but definitely a great horn. I'd love to try a Bach 6! Why do you prefer it?
I thought the sound of the bach 6 that's a little harsh a little bit too tailgate for my taste. Lol. With your tone and intonation, you would definitely make any trombone sound good.
Interesting! Might be a good fit with my research (studying early jazz trombonists) 🤔
All large bores don't sound the same either. Some are a bi darker than others and I can tell when the trigger is used.
There is a difference of course, but the essential quality of the sound remains the same. Both versions have similar core. This once again bears out what I already know, that understanding the style one is playing is more important than equipment. Equipment does matter, but more important is how you play it. Both horns sound great here, best of luck
Question about small bore. I have an Olds Recording model. How does that compare to Olds Super? And is my recording considered small bore? May seem novice question but I put my horn away 35 years and just recently pulled it out and started practicing
Hi WD, I'm not sure how a Recording compares with the Super (as I've only tried the Super) or if the Recording is small bore. IA Google search would possibly answer these questions to some degree, but I'm glad you pulled the horn back out! I've run into a few folks over the last few years who have pulled out their trombones and have been enjoying playing and continuing exploring the instrument (and music) again. Keep it going and maybe share a video on CZcams sometime!
What technique do you use for vibrato? I like your jazz sound!
I use the combination of a jaw and intensity (air) vibrato. In the past, I predominantly used my air to create an intensity vibrato, but I studied with a trombonist who showed me how to use my jaw to create vibrato. Thanks for the feedback, Dave!
My trombone instructor - who is a university professor of music as well - also told me once that the jaw is the preferred vibrato.@@jazzbonept
@@daleandrews9356 It's definitely the more learned vibrato technique! It really depends on desired effect you want to produce; I believe there is a place for most all trombone techniques. Being self-taught for most of my jazz "career," I'm quite fond of "raw" instrumental playing and the accompanying techniques.
Have you checked my video on vibrato, Dale? czcams.com/video/YG0N5lXsF3o/video.html
Sheet music for this so I can use it as an Warm up???
Google “My Ideal” or ask someone you know that has Real Volume III (for this version)
What bore is the smaller trombone you’re playing ?
I'm not entirely sure and am not able to check since I sold the horn a couple of years ago, but my guess is that it's a .485 or .500; many of the Olds Super models were dual bore
What brand is the small bore
It's an Olds Super
which one did you enjoy more?
The large-bore because it has a special place in my heart! Just started shedding small-bore this summer, but people have different opinions on what trombone to play in jazz. What do you think?
I've got a 2b, dropped down from a 3b simply because someone wanted my 3 in the worst way! I like my 2b, but miss the 3. Looking for something similar to a 3b just as backup and for fun. Thoughts?
I am looking at a Yamaha 3530 with dual bore or a Conn 78H. The Conn needs a good go over though.... and on the fringe is a Getzen super deluxe.
Those are great horns. Pick a horn you really like and hit the shed and bandstand hard!
+trombonone Thanks man! Great video by the way!
They literally sound the same to me. and I've skipped back and forth between them. what difference should I be hearing? I'm thinking you've got to be a serious connoisseur to hear any difference. So I'm getting a small bore. (30% cheaper for one thing). ((Bach TB501 if you must know.))
lol connoisseur could be one word for it. I'd guess that most of the folks checking this video out probably play trombone in school, either professionally or on a regular (amateur?) basis, or maybe are trying to learn/relearn the instrument. There are probably others who just love the instrument or whom are clicking out of curiosity. It is subtle, but for those who play on a daily or weekly basis, for years, that subtle difference is quite audible. Then again, this was recorded on an older smart phone, so the true timbral nuances of the horn are likely not fully present. You should be fine with that horn! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching the video. Good luck with it.
Would like to hear you really ripe on the horn
which one, large or small?
I play a Bach 6. Much prefer smaller bore for jazz.
Wow, that’s a small horn! I like the sound of small horns but after playing on large bores most of my life, I found it tough to adjust. Got the medium bore down (Bach 36) so far. Any tips for small horns?
There is no sound for me on this video lol
Oh no! Is it maybe your location that is affecting internet service? Sometimes restarting the device you're listening on helps. Let me know if you still have the same issue...it's still works for me and I'm guessing most viewers since I've never had anyone tell me about this problem.
Peter Tijerina it works now. My ears have been blessed . you sound great