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- First Take's Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and NBA legend Tracy McGrady argue about the LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan debate.
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I love how T-Mac is completely calm while Max and Stephen A. are freaking out that an NBA star chose LeBron over Jordan in something
lol hes just a laid back guy.
BEAST MODE06
His point is true though
The only person lebron had in his first championship run was Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Thats a fair point because he wasn’t near the level of scottie pippen
But tmac has Jordan as the goat. As the best ever. As the pillar of the modern nba.
Naruto Uzumaki it’s not a fair point because they had no one to go through in the east that year!
@@Ali-vk6jm U meant first finals because they lost that year to the Spurns 4-0
I'm so tired of this LeBron vs Jordan debate on every show a minimum of 3 times a week...
i'm tired of people getting tired of lebron vs jordan debate .but will still click on the video and watch and comment how tired they are about the topic...if you are tired...dont watch and tell the whole world you are tired of watching jordan lebron debate...and YOU have to tell the whole world about how tired you are...are you baiting for a like...there i will you one.
Shahmir ik we all know its MJ. Lets move on.
@Ethan Petro same here bro they need to let this debate go like bruh come on it's getting on my nerves, MJ is the goat period
lil nope
They make money out of LBJ & MJ that is why they never stop comparing them 2 great players that has very different skills & generation. It is incomparable
I don't understand how they miss the whole point of T-Mac's original statement. He said that him being a scorer, him wanting the ball as much as MJ, it would be easier for him to team up with a guy that's not like him. And I m sure that if MJ had to pick between a guy that's not like him for example Pippen and T-Mac, he would choose Pippen every single time. Great teams are not built by putting 5 people with the same characteristics. And T-Mac knows that
I’m confused how was t Mac going to defend his words when all they do is talk over him 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Starting my team with Kwame Brown
Oh how blasphemous...KaaaWwaaaaameee Brown!? You have got to be kidding me! *SAS voice*
I'll take Sam Bowie, see you you in the finals!
Big Boss “ you came in the league without a jumpshot, without the ability to rebound to do nice footwork and is years later and you’re still that dude”
-Stephen a Smith 2007
The goat
That's not fair
why is SAS telling a former NBA Star/Hall of Famer how he should feel like SAS ever played a NBA game.
T mac overrated
EA cookeditup because stephen a thinks only he knowns anything and everything about basketball and uses shouting loudly to get every point across. SMH
EA cookeditup another example of old people not realizing how great LeBron is they won't they won't figure it out until he retires
cause he a loudmouthed 12 year old child
i definitely agree! i say this all the time
I’ve watched both Jordan and Lebron play from their very first year. To say that Lebron is a great player is an understatement but to suggest that he’s on the level of Jordan is absurd. Watching MJ dominate games is something you had to see in order to believe. That pixilated CZcams doesn’t do him justice. I don’t think people realize the impact of HD and 4K at various camera angles play into how great a player appears. No doubt that MJ would average 40+ a game by today’s rules. And that’s not a stretch given that he had a season in which he averaged 37pts/game and 35/game. Just let that sink in for a second. 37 points a game while also being a first team lockdown defender.
Jordan was from another planet, and that's it. From 1985-1993 just unbeatable.
I saw MJ play too. He did a load of damage. My problem isn't with him or LeBron. The thing that gives LeBron the edge to me is the caliber of the teams he's faced in the finals. All of those teams had at least three Hofers on them. The opponents Jordan faced only had one or two. Utah having the most. Jordan was every bit as good as I said he was. His opponents is the difference between him and LeBron.
The fact is LeBron would've average 40+ if he wanted to in his prime.
Put each player in each other's era and they would still be the best player. They like to say that the game was much more physical back then but think about this. If MJ was 6'6 around 220 lbs and was a slasher what would LeBron be as a 6'8" 250 slasher with a Jump Shot.
@nabil chowdhury So you're saying that centers were not physical because they aren't fast, explosive, couldn't shoot and weren't quick?
Stephen A Smith trying to tell him how he played 😂💀
Like a talker would
I dont like Mac as an analyst. But Stephen A was unnecessarily aggressive. He was acting like Tracy said something about his mother 😂
Sandernista they just being black.. culture difference. Nothing to see here
Sandernista that's how a lot of Jordan fanboys are they get personally offended
LetMeGet Ughh A lot of the time they forget that we're just talking sports it really isn't that deep to get all mad about that.
felt like his aggression was deserved, tmac was terrible here
Because he want MJ to be his daddy
Damn. You would think T-MAC molested a amputee the way how Steven A is acting. Why is it so much of a crime to prefer Lebron over Jordan. You ask a question let the man give his own answer.
I really wish they brought up Jordan when he was asked to be a point guard. He had a triple double in 10 of 11 games
Sports 23/7 hell nall
Did he really?
@@SMohinder yeah he did. LeBron has the ball in his hands so much he could be a point guard. MJ was just a force. Unstoppable
@@SMohinder No this really happened.... It was either his first or second year I think. Look up "Michael Jordan The Puppeteer" on youtube. Dude was an all-time passer who just ended up with a teammate who could play point forward.
It's like Steph. He's a great passer, but the system he plays in will never let him show that off like he would if he was ball-dominant.
@@Saxandfifths Damn. He is the goat without a doubt.
Lets not forget that Michael Jordan averaged 31 points and 11 assists in the 1991 finals and out point guarded the goat pg Magic Johnson.
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Plus they I had one of the top 5 defenses in the league at that time. They always throw in that he beat old teams. The teams Jordan beat were at least top 7 in defense at least when he went into the playoffs.
Brianaxel44 magic was old
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Where does this come from, this idea that Mike doesn't care or doesn't try to make his team better? He WILL get on his teammates for not performing. He DID put in the work to be an example to his team "this is what I am willing to do to win, what about you?" Where is this coming from? This idea that MJ didn't care about teammates and didn't care how good or bad they did as long as he got 30 or 40 points? MJ was about winning, and he's not an idiot, he knows he can't just drop 40 and win, he learned that in his earlier years when facing the pistons and celtics.
REAL spill!!!
I already know u don't know what u were talking about cus MJ didn't face a celtics team in the playoffs
SixBrosGamingHD I already know you didn't read properly. Where did I say playoffs in any of that wall of text I call my comment?
SixBrosGamingHD I don't understand MJ face the Celtics in the playoffs and held the record for most points scored in a playoff game on Boston Garden floor so what is this about
*T Mac got buried alive!*
YourTechGuide why? Because sas was screaming and didnt let tmac talk?
YourTechGuide
Stephen A Smith yelling and screaming and won't let Tracy Mcgrady talk
Of course 😂
he sure did lol
If you think that you already decided who you thought was right before it started
Yeap he did stupid coment by tmac
Did Dirk and Jason Terry build a super team to beat LeBron ?
They built a smart team , that's why they won .
Flashyfinancier Good points sir. My how they forget
They already had a superteam. Dirk was playing with 3 other All Stars on that team. People don't like to acknowledge that. Dirk Hall of famer,. Jason Kidd HOF,. Shawn Merrian All Star, Caron Butler All Star, with a good bench.
@@cubbdacrossfacecrippler you are a moron. LeBron got outplayed by a bench player in that series and you really try to push that false narrative? Dirk was the only star with an old Jason Terry and Jason Kidd. LBJ had D Wade and Bosh. How TF did he lose bruh? Jordon over LeBron any day of the week, month, year forever
@@cubbdacrossfacecrippler Yup I would really take Jordon over Lbj. But I would never take Kobe over lebron.
Lebron is better than kobe.
What I hate about this topic is that Stephen A doesn't let anyone finish before he starts talking
Why would I wanna build my team around Lebron? He just gonna leave 😂
he's a lazy bum no heart
LAKER NATION that comment is gold pure gold🤣
Kobe wanted out never forget
Never forget that he DIDNT THO. He stayed and dropped 60 in his last game and then retired a laker
Actinike he didn't want out is false don't matter if he left or not Jordan never wanted to leave he played baseball bc he was doing a tribute to his father n stunk it up n came back so like I said never forget Kobe wanted out too
T Mac’s ending argument 😂😂😂 Kd needed to join a super team to beat Lebron, but Lebron needed join a top 3 all time shooting guard in d wade and all star in Chris bosh and then ditch them when they weren’t good enough and join kyrie and Kevin Love 🤭 Kd a snake, but Lebron is a repeat offender, but shout out to ESPN for cutting the video before SAS could get to that point to show mercy to t Mac and his foolish argument
Locust&WildHoney Chris Bosh and D Wade were not healthy dumbass
Locust&WildHoney so LeBron should stay on a declining heats team
K love wasn’t there yet dumbass and the Cavs was a lottery team
Locust&WildHoney: Kyrie was leading the Cavs to the lottery every yr n missing the playoffs. Bosh was a big fish in a small pond only reason why he was an All Star was cause he was in the East. He wouldn't start over Duncan or Dirk. U act like he had 06 Wade n not two bad knees Wade. Love wasn't even making the playoffs. To compare that to a 73 win team who already won it all without KD is ridiculous
Hi T1000 Kyrie All Star Chris Bosh All Star Dwyane Wade All Star Kevin Love All Star don't try to play Down then being all stars lol
For this generation Lebron, but in comparison to Michael Jordan.
I would pick Jordan, seeing Jordan perform in the 80's and 90's.
He took over the game on defense and offense. He had 100+ blocks and steals 2 seasons in a row, while being the scoring leader.
Plus the NBA back then was rougher/physical than it is now.
But I guess the generations are changing, women becoming more masculine and men becoming more feminine.
LBJ is far better. LBJ da GOAT
+Jacob Hickman You wish. MJ was a leader especially during the second 3 peat. Jordan was just like Lebron during the second 3 peat. Lebron can't win without any other allstar. No one can. Ĺebron gets praise for carrying them to finals but you lose. It didn't make any sense what these idiots are saying. I get what Tracy saying but you still lose with Lebron. I don't want to go to the finals to lose. Lebron gives up unlike any other top player.
The game was played differently back then, but McGrady DOES have a point, no matter what Jordan dick riders say, LeBron DID have lesser talent to work with. You can't become the next Jordan without another player with the same talent as Pippen.
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Lebron is amazing, but there is no way I would choose him over Jordan. Jordan was actually a solid all around player who was required by his team to be a scorer first. When they needed him to run point guard, he averaged 32pts/8rbs/8ast. Jordan accomplished more in less time, with less help. Tracy, you lost this one.
CJ Chewjore FACTS
CJ Chewjore also played nobody if we’re being honest. In his short lived career... there were 6 new expansion teams. With a top 50 player and one of the greatest tenacious defensive/rebounder. He played mostly bigs. Not many great guards in his time..
Lebron would've averaged 15apg if his teammates weren't shooting bricks.
T C O V so why didnt anybody else dominate like jordan LOOL stop lebron out here playing teams in the east that dont even have A SUPERSTAR... derozan lowry .... tatum brown.... oladipo come on 😭😭 all the superstars besides giannis and lebron are in the WEST
you fucking high? "WHY DIDN"T ANYBODY ELSE DOMINATE LIKE JORDAN?" Kareem, Magic, Bill Russell. folks. jeremiah greenwood is the perfect example when someone watched way too many nike commercials and considered it facts.
This Gonna Forever Be A Debate. Just Agree To Disagree
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Baked Benji nope. Jordan wins over a 5 time loser gtfoh we not celebrating losers in 2018
Fitness Transcendence oh so being 2nd is worse than being 3rd. Alright mate (y).
Lol Jordan never got swept in the finals 😂😂😂😂and don’t bring up mj first few years in the league when he got swept by the Celtics twice the bulls were the 8 seed and Celtics only needed 3 wins to advance
Baked Benji what tmac is saying isn’t a debate. Lebron has not and will not lead a weak supporting cast (like he has now) to a championship, so what’s the point? If Lebron was in the west as the 6th seed or whatever your not making past the 2nd rnd if that. Lebron needs more help than anybody 😂 quiet as kept
I'm starting my team with TMac
Very fun team to watch, that's for sure.
goodluck making it past 1st round of the playoffs 😂
If you starting your team with Tmac you ain't getting any rings lol
🤣🤣
And there goes THAT one guy that plays Fantasy Basketball, after the first few months he will be inactive because of his silly drafts. 🤣🤣
Here's an easy way to settle this. Yes Lebron passed Jordan in mostly all Playoff stats, but he also had to play 45 more games to do so. If u compare Lebron's stats at 179 playoff games (which is how many Jordan played), Jordan beats out Lebron in almost every category. It's pretty simple, when comparing the 2 evenly game per game, Jordan has the better numbers, more points scored, higher average, more clutch, ect. I don't even know how this is a debate. The guy who had to play more games just to brake even with the guy ahead of him is obviously not the better, a 5 year old can figure this one out.
Gross numbers... But percentages NO... It is about efficiency not about who can take the greatest percentage of the shots.. that does not prove shit
It took LeBron more games to outscore Jordan in the playoffs but Jordan still took more shots in those less games
Mikey Teflo Is it his fault, he went further in the Playoffs?
RYan Samuels Jordan's PER is higher than Lebron's so I do not see your point.
per game all that matters, Dirk is 6 all time in pts but not even a top 10 scorer for example
Pleaseeeee Jordan career average 30 playoffs 33 damn 33 in d playoffs career average 6 NBA titles 6 NBA final MVP defensive player of the year offensive player of the leave Mike led the league in steals . how dare u compare LBJ to MIKE
So how many top 20 players did Mike play against in their primes? Go on I'll wait.
Right. Lebron not on MJ level.
Larry bird...magic johnson. Shaq..hakeem..u want me to keep going? Lebron how many top 10 players he play? Maybe kobe? Jordan played prime bird prime magic prime isaih prime shaq prime hakeemthats 5 top 10 players lebron played kobe 1 top 10 player u r a fucking simpleton thats the worst thing u could hsve said..he played magic n bird in their mvps seasons god u r dumb..shaq was in his prime from 95-2004.. N prime kobe in 2002 u fucked up
He didn’t play those people in the finals so that’s y they always won
Stop Think Observe Proceed who you a fan of MJ or LBJ?
Seriously why do people only judge LeBron’s from when he went to Miami? Like everything he did before that was irrelevant? Yet they bring those « irrelevant » times against him when it comes to counting his finals losses. Bring up the times Mike didn’t make it to the finals too then. Let’s keep it objective all the way
so we're gonna count how many 2nd place he have instead of how many rings he had ? stupid , lechoke 2011 MAVS , no argument ! talk about lebron 2011 finals first
Jordan NEVER ONCE even got to .500 without Pippen. Yes, the "goat" had a losing record EVERY SINGLE YEAR (Five seasons) Pippen wasn't there. He played 11 playoff games without Pippen...and lost TEN. Yes, he was was 1-10 without Pippen in the playoffs, and yes, he made the playoffs with LOSING records every year (including a 30-52 record in 1986), but the "East is weak" in LeBron's era.
Stunna P man I’m tired of people missing out on greatness smh.
BRUHH THIS FAX
Stunna P naw bru you missing the point when mike made it to the Finals he Won when Lebron made it too the finals!! 3-8 you can’t compare the two
Max's argument is so flawed. First of all, Pippen wasn't just an "all-star". Pippen was a top-5 player, elite on both ends of the floor. He was the Kawhi Leonard of the 90s. Think about that! Michael Jordan's wingman FOR 10 SEASONS was a Kawhi Leonard level player. Secondly, notice the verbal gymnastics Max engages in. He started by blaming Pippen's migraines for Jordan losing game 7 to the Pistons in 1990. Then he says JORDAN swept the Pistons the next year, failing to give Pippen the credit he deserved. THEN he very cleverly says that Jordan never didn't win the title "when he played a full season" and had all-star level Pippen. That is such a weak argument. It's a shame how Jordan lovers try to dismiss his loss to the Magic by saying that he didn't play a full season. What a joke! Furthermore, Max's disingenuous argument belies the fact that Jordan didn't just have Pippen. He also had Rodman, Harper, Kukoc, Kerr, Cartwright, Armstrong, Salley, and 2 legit 7-footers in Longley/Wennington to bang with teams that had dominant centers. Michael Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen (first 3 and last 2). In those 5 seasons without Pippen, Jordan's team was below .500 every time.
so you completely missed everything Max said? remember Pippen became great because he played with Jordan.
djuanOD - No. That's the bulls**t argument Jordan lovers make, but it ain't true. Pippen was a top 5 draft pick, so he was expected to be a great player. Pippen is a 1st-balot HOF'r and one of the top-50 players in the history of the NBA. Jordan doesn't deserve credit for that. If Jordan "made" Pippen great, then why the hell didn't didn't Jordan make any of his other teammates HOF'rs and top-50 all-time players?
did you even bother to see Pippens numbers during his first 3 years with the Bulls? he became a Top 50 player *AFTER* they had already won the chip, not before like Jordan. no one claimed that Jordan could make *EVERY* teammate a HOF/All-Star (Pippen was at a level to start with that was a good base to build on) but without Jordan, Pippen would not have been great, literally just take a look at his first 3 seasons even with Jordan and the Bulls and then watch what *HE* himself said made him great; paraphrasing here but, "scrumming everyday at practice *AGAINST* Jordan". so while it may be an unpopular narrative for one such as yourself because it goes counter to what you want to be the truth, the truth is Jordan and Phil helped make Pippen the great player he is known for today.
i find it fascinating that you expected Jordan to beat the Magic after not playing ball for almost 2 years and coming in at the last ~15 of 82 games of the season, now that's called mental gymnastics and such a disingenuous statement to even make given that it's a *FACT* that he did not play a full season. Max acknowledged the loss but gave context to it, so how is that a joke?
djuanOD - Did you even bother to see that before Pippen, Jordan’s Bulls only won between 30-40 games every year and were never even competitive in their 1st rd series? The Bulls went from 40 wins the year before Pippen was drafted...to 50 wins (and a playoff series win) in Pippen’s ROOKIE year. Forget individual stats. Pippen immediately made the Bulls better. The only reason it took 3 years for Pippen’s offensive numbers to reach all-star level is because it took time for Phil Jackson to convince Jordan that his teammates were good enough to help him win titles....if he would just learn to trust them and the system. Jordan NEVER had a winning record without Pippen. He also never won a playoff series without Pippen. Pippen did both without Jordan. So GTFOH with that bulls**t argument of yours!
Every teammate that ever played with Jordan “scrummed with him every day”. Yet NONE of the others ever became what Pippen did. If you’re going to give Jordan credit for Pippen, then he deserves criticism for failing to have that level of impact on any other player throughout his career. When did Jordan develop that magical ability? Because he sure as hell didn’t show that “special” ability during his first 3 seasons or his last 2 seasons (the 5 seasons he played without Pippen). Coincidentally, those 5 seasons are the only losing seasons of Jordan’s career. Those 1-on-1 battles against Jordan may have been a benefit to Pippen, but Jordan did not “make” Pippen. FOH!
you really have an peculiar way of debating don't you? you keep presenting logical fallacies in order to push your narrative. i never said that Pippen was not a good player what i did say was that it took him years to start making it to an All-Star level, when was not even starting or playing more than ~20 mins mind you. Pippen was good and due to his personal talents (base), Phil Jackson's coaching and Michael Jordan competitiveness and demanding the best from his teammates, he was able to reach All-Star level. saying that Jordan should make the other Bulls teammates All-Stars just because he helped Pippen become one is illogical and rather facetious; the other teammates need to have the potential to become All-Stars in the first place, they at least became better ball players due to playing with MJ, but more importantly why you are trying to even make such a specious argument, in the first place, is rather disappointing.
also saying Pippen won a playoff series without Jordan, is just such a ridiculous statement to make without context, as Pippen only won that series *AFTER* they were already 3-peat World Champs. by your "logic" i could say that Pippen also subsequently did not make the finals or win a championship without Jordan either, just to show you that i can make ridiculous non-sequitur statements too. that's not what we are discussing or what Max was even saying. he was just saying that MJ only had one All-Star on his team for all 6 chips, and you even admitted that the other players on the team, while good at playing their role, were not in-fact All-Stars as well. that is all.
I dont care how wrong he is.....Love me some T-Mac, my favorite player.
It’s not that LeBron makes others better, that’s the wrong narrative.. LeBron puts players in better and more efficient positions, TO BE better. There’s a difference. No player can make another player shoot better or make more free throws, but they can enhance their chances of doing so, as LeBron does.
Jay Kelz well said!
alray Blasphemy.
Fax
and he'll jumpship again after this year. the whole thing about making others better is a myth. why? cos lebron gets high assists- assists don't always mean "making teammates better", in the words of dean smith, assists can also be selfish. if lebron made people better as the narrative suggests, he wouldn't always whine about needing help, he wouldn't always switch teams, and he wouldn't always feel the need to play as the point guard. say what you want about mj, but he never did the "we are top heavy" route. the only time he went public was when he came back from baseball and said he wanted pippen to stay, cos bulls and pip where at logger heads.....if lebron really made folks better, people wouldn't be crying everyday about he needs help
el84oro I see you didn’t acknowledge my first sentiment when I said “LeBron can’t make others better, there’s no such thing.”
SAS fake hype is cringe asf
Jay and he thinks he knows more about tmac's game than tmac, I mean he's so fucking idiotic.
Jay YallMad. StayMad
It's so hard to watch.
They had nothing on tmac he made all points in the first minute and they knew its pointless to argue but still pushed to lol
Jan Kaufmann it was pointless bc any human with a brain would pick MJ
This argument completely disregards the level of competition of the opponent which Tracy started to bring up at the end. LeBron has lost in the Finals to a Spurs team with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli twice, and they had Kawhi the second time. And, he's lost to the Warriors twice, the second time when they had Kevin Durant. Michael never ever played against teams that were as good as these.
What SAS said is the most accurate description of LBJ: he never sacrifices, other players who play with him had to sacrifice to contribute to LBJ's 'greatness'.
Title should read SAS and Max beats T Mac at a shouting contest. You brought a guy to explain his opinion but you don't actually let him explain. You could have just shown a tmac clip and proceed with adoring the sounds of your own voices. Cheaper too.
Not one team Jordan beat in the finals is even close to these warriors teams
how about spurs and dallas lol ? stupid
william alexander alexander spurs had Duncan Kawhi Tony and Manu and the greatest or second greatest coach ever. Try again casual
william alexander alexander dallas had 3 hofs..jason terry ,dirk and kidd
Gamin Messiah. Lololol revisionist history man. Lebron and the cavs couldn’t beat the rockets with Hakeem, Barkley and Drexler. Period
Gamin Messiah thats because he was that team
I'm taking Stockton.
Tracy is so right on this!
Micheal Jordan is the greatest of all time !
Jordan’s era was just totally different man. The talent level was totally different. Jordan was the only dude with his talent and skill level. Now the league is full of athletically gifted, skilled and talented freaks of nature. The game was different. Jordan’s Bulls teams would have a tougher time competing in today’s NBA. Yes, the great ones can be great in any era and Jordan would get his, but today’s game would create all kinds of matchup issues for yesterday’s players. Guys in that era were usually known for being good at ONE aspect of the game (ie. A “dunker”, a “rebounder”, a “bruiser”, a “defender”, a “shot-blocker”, a “scorer”, a “passer”). Now these guys are doing multiple things in ways we’ve never seen before.
Pippen was in his prime about the same Time as mike. Which is why they were able to sustain that for so many years. D. Wade started to decline in play after the second year. First year back in Cleveland his two all stars were hurt. 2nd year 73-9 team down 1-3. He won. That same team get KD to win. This year his All star and supporting cast aren’t playing any where near a level any time during his finals runs
Chosen TheBarber
Brush over the Mavs finals you Bronsexual
dont know why this is an argument. MJ is greater than LBJ BY FAR.
Wali Toor Jordan has a better Career but LeBron is a better player
@@yrnxkj7607 that's not true either. After watching both of them, you can't tell who is better because it was a different era and they play different styles of basketball. Then I look at records. Records that LeBron can't match and records that took LeBron longer to pass MJ in. LeBron is a beast don't get me wrong, but he's not at MJ's level. And yes, 3-6 is a huge reason why
I’m so sick of these debates. 🤦🏾♀️Nobody is better than Jordan he will forever be the G.O.A.T. Point blank end of story.
The difference is:
Jordan played with the only super team in the league, while Lbj plays in a super team era... so naturally, in Lebron’s era it is harder to win championships as it is more reliant on the team you end up with
Thank you Sir
How does lebron make his teammates better when everybody he plays with play worser with him
jacoby mannie that stupid myth came back in 06 when Daniel Gibson went off on the pistons. And it was because the pistons were focused on lebron driving the paint it left Gibson open. The pistons under estimated Gibsons shooting so they paid for it.
But yea lebron doesn't make anyone better. He turns everyone into spot up shooters
Dude! Thank you for pointing that out. This is why Philly is foolish to go after LeBron. He would ruin them at an early stage in their development. He makes people jump shooters cause he is a stat chaser.
That's not true everyone he's played with since Miami had jumper except for a few centers they could knock down their shots wen they were open u get wat I mean n then players that were traded this year are shooters
Are you dumb? It doesn't mean players literally become better then lebron, the best player in the NBA right now, it means he makes bench/role players better then what they really are
jacoby mannie Back in 2009, Mo Williams was an all star when he played with LeBron. LeBron leaves and Mo Williams becomes trash
- Lebron got swept in the finals
- Lebron has as many finals losses as Kobe has rings lol
- Lebron lost back to back finals
- Lebron never three peated once, let alone twice in this weak era
- Teams celebrated winning a title on lebron's home court on 3 different occasions. ('07, '11, '15)
- Lebron lost to a Dwight Howard Magic team with no superstars in 6 games
- Lebron been the best player since 2008 according to Lebron fans but he couldn't beat the magic to meet Kobe in the finals
- Lebron is so great and goat that he had to leave his team and jump to another team with two franchise superstar players not role players, superstars.
- Jumped ship joined two superstars and still lost to a team with one superstar and a bunch of role players past their primes lol
- Jason Terry averaged more PPG's in the '11 finals than Lebron, goat lol
- Lebron would've lost the 2013 finals if it wasn't for Ray Allen's shot
- Lebron loses the finals in the following year by a record margin in 5 games lmaooo but he's the goat lol
- Lebron got cramps in San Antonio meanwhile Kobe and Jordan will play till they die basically
- Lebron then jumps ship again since he's the goat and so great he bails on Miami and goes back to Cleveland, like talk about loyalty smh
- Lebron loses in the 2015 finals where he was in position to win when he was up 2-1 with game 4 in Cleveland with Kyrie being hurt he had the chance to cement his goat status by going up 3-1 but couldn't and lost those finals as well.
- 2 years ago if Kyrie doesn't hit the dagger three Golden state wins
- Lebron scored 11 points in the 4th quarter in the first 3 games of this years finals
- Lebron lost in 5 games again lol
- In the biggest stage of them all doesn't matter how many times you made it kids all that matters is if you won it and Lebron's finals record is
2007- L (Swept)
2011- L (Lost in 6 games)
2012- W (Won in 5 games)
2013*- W (Ray Allen's finals winning shot)
2014- L (Lost in 5 games) goat
2015- L (Lost in 6 games)
2016* - W (Kyrie's finals winning shot)
2017- L (Lost in 5 games) goat
- Lebron lost back to back finals
- Lebron almost three peated in the finals with losses
Stop the comparisons with Michael when he's got to catch Kobe first smh. Kids and millennials stats don't tell the whole story in this watered down era of basketball with no physicality, hand checking, true 4 and 5's. Watch you Lebron fans make an excuse for each blunder in his record that I just pointed out lol and never accept the blame lol. So when he's 3-6 after June, provided his team even goes, can you Lebrobtards think of better excuses and blame for failure?
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Omar Carrington he got swept twice now lol these debates need to stop. It’s an insult to MJ
Ultimate lebron hater
Tmid4life 02 He's not hating you doughnuthole!!! He's laying down the facts!!!!!! Quit being salty you "bronsexual"!
There’s nothing left to say.
wow. how much hate do you have in your heart to make such false statements? sure a few are correct, but most aren’t. gtfo of here w that bullshit bro
I love how a player can sit and tell debaters about their own career and the say he’s wrong... smh unreal
Exactly 💯 smh
"Lebron elevates his team"...B.S... those guys at cleveland where solid pieces before turning into spot up shooters to fit the 'Lebron System'.
Championship Barbosa Lol I have been telling bronsexuals that for a long time. He actually makes his teammates worse. Jordan played off the ball alot because he was a killer from the midrange. In turn his teammates actually had the ball more than LeBron's teammates.
Championship Barbosa Thankyou bro. I can tell you know basketball. Jordan made his team mates way better because he actually played in a system. Lebron holds the ball way to much.
Mr Apocalypse Lol last game he held the ball for 47% of the time. He is a stat padder and can't play in a system that prioritise team ball. He turns his teammates into one dimensional spot up shooters. This is just facts you bronsexuals cant stand. But hey atleast he can get his triple doubles while playing no defense whatsoever, his fans love that right?
Mr Apocalypse yeah Flopden, LeBrick, Westbrick they’re all stat padding
Championship Barbosa they wouldn't be in the playoffs without lebron dumbass
Stephen A was flatout lying too when he said that Lebron has never sacrificed. Lebron had to learn to play off the ball (which is something he never did before) in order to make things work with D-Wade AND Kyrie. He also had to develop a post-game. He also had to embrace playing the PF position when he didn't want to. He also had to defend the opposing teams best player in crunch time....EVEN when they were PGs or Centers. Also, Stephen A asked the question as if other players didn't have to sacrifice to play with Jordan. Max and Stephen A exemplify perfectly how irrational and delusional Jordan lovers are. You can't have a reasonable debate with Jordan lovers if you prefer anybody over Jordan for anything. It's f**king ridiculous.
Jordan fans/ lebron haters: Mj is the goat 6 FMVP, 6 rings, 10x scoring champion
Lebron fans: lebron is gassing Jordan is almost every stat
Also Jordan fans/lebron haters: stats are just Numbers
Tmac should not be in the hof
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🤦🏿♂️ nonsense y'all didn't watch this man torch shit
He’s a first round virgin
Smh.
@@mtdubdachamp6917 can i ask u a question.
Who got these # in the nba & is this hof # .
1. Rookie of the year
2 . 4 scored titles
3. League mvp
4 . All star mvp
Are these # hof 🤔
Mikes the GOAT.
Julius Isome 2011
no hes not
There's no one I would start a team with over Michael Jordan. No brainer.
What Shit you talkin. Didn't the Bulls win 6 championships. I know i building a team around MJ. You could build a team around MJ Lebron Kobe Magic Leonard.
Max is basically comparing Pippens greatness to Kevin Love. Kevin is good but not that good especially defensively.
Ya but even though kyrie is a d bag he's better than pippen was
5:26 that's my way of arguing
The Great Western Trendkill SAS had a moment
Lebron needs more because everyone needs more in today’s nba. No two all stars an a roster would be able to win a championship in today’s nba. Let alone 6
Michael Peck what did dirk do? He beat a team with 3 all stars. That was only 7 years ago. The spurs won and they're extremely old except for kawhi
Michael Peck the Celtics right now could've gone to the finals and this is without an all star on the team
Michael Peck not playing*
@@PritDeLaGhetto the Mavricks was well equipped to beat the Heat that year. Two Hall of Famers,. A defensive player of the year a deep bench, and two more All Stars in Caron Butler and Shawn Marion. ( Who should be in the HOF). The Mavricks was loaded.
psingh ok and the warriors had 4
Tmac nailed it at the end haha
Tmac still getting it done off the court
Secondly I would take Jordan over Lebron any day. Lebron is great but he ain't no Jordan
McGrady argument is weak. He's contradicting himself. Lebron HAD to JOIN forces with WADE and BOSH to win in MIAMI!
Kev D hes saying kd had to team up to beat Lebron..1 man..lebron didn't join those teams fearing 1 player..he just wanted to win..where kd had to join a 73win team to finally beat Lebron
stupid, he's joining the heat to be celtics, ( pierce )
omgegalul ? nerd. if you dont think he try to beat the celtics by joining the heat than u are stupid
celtics doesnt have pierce allen and garnet in 2007 ? lol
NERD
If MJ joined the Heat they would’ve won all 4 finals by sweeps...I rest my case
DreDaGr8$ Very well said!
DreDaGr8$ sweep.who 😂😂😂. The Spurs ? 😂😂😂
with Wade14.9 ppg and Bosh 10 ppg vs Duncan? and Wade and Bosh getting abused on D that series? Ano NO bench vs the Spurs SHOCK Troops?? and LBJ shooting 50% from 3, 58% from the field 28-29 ppg? And Chalmers quitting on Erik Spo? And HEAT getting outscore 15-0 in a tie game the moment LBJ went out with leg cramp? I rest my case too dumbass, MJ wouldnt of went no 4-0 clown.
Xanninja you know it’s funny you said all of that and not mention the Dallas finals one time...just ☝️ , that alone let’s me know you and I both know MJ wouldn’t had let that happen. And the MJ wouldn’t have got beat by the Spurs and even IF he did it wouldn’t had been no blowouts 4-1 I’m sure we can both agree to that
Have you ever looked up some of Jordan's stats in the finals... he had plenty of games where scottie pippen carried the load....
Before you choose who is the GOAT, lemme spill the facts before you choose. Jordan has:
- 3 more rings
- 3 more finals MVP
- 2 3-peats
- 1 more season MVP
- 4 more All-defensive 1st teams
- 3 more All-defensive teams (total selection)
- Won a DPOY (Lebron never did this)
- 9 more Scoring Leaders
- Won Steals leader 3 times (Lebron never won one)
- Lebron had to play more games than Jordan to reach his playoff points record
- Jordan never scored less than 22 points in a finals game. Lebron melted down in 2007 vs. Tim Duncan's Spurs (swept), 2011 vs. mavs (8 points in 1 game), 2014 vs. spurs (blown off the floor by a record margin in point difference), and 2018 vs. warriors (swept)
- Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (lebron only beat 10)
- Jordan never AVGed under 40% FG in the finals (Lebron did twice)
- Jordan never had a teammate who AVGed over 22 points in the finals. DWade scored 26.5 points in the 2011 finals, which is the same finals that LeBron scored only 17.8 ppg and lost. Kyrie Irving scored 27.1ppg in 2016 finals, which was barely won with a 4 point difference in a game 7. Kyrie scored 29.4 ppg in the next year's finals and Lebron still lost.
- Jordan never had more than one other all-star on his team at any point of his career
- Jordan is the only player ever to lead a team to the finals with only one other teammate (Scottie Pippen) AVGing double digits in scoring
- Jordan never allowed a game 7 in the finals. The only time Lebron didn't allow a game 7 was 2012.
- Lebron scored 30 pts 416 times in 1,117 games. Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games
- Jordan is undefeated in the finals with 6 wins and Lebron has lost 6 times and only won 3 times
- Jordan has had 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then did it again the next year
- Has had 5 playoff series averaging at least 35 ppg (one of them being over 43!)
- Highest scoring avg in any finals ever: 41 ppg vs. Charles Barkley's Suns in '93
- Only rookie ever to lead his team in 4 stats
- Only player ever to lead in scoring, win MVP, and DPOY all in the same season
- Only player ever to lead in scoring and win finals in the same season more than once, and he did it 6 times
- Only player ever to have a triple double in an All-Star Game
- 1 of 2 players ever to drop 3,000 points in 1 season, only other player is Wilt Chamberlain
- Only player to score over 40 pts at age 40 (he did it twice)
- Earned All Star Game MVP, NBA scoring leader, League MVP, and DPOY in the same year ('88)
- Jordan's AVG playoff PER of 28.6 is above Lebron's 28.28. In fact, MJ has the highest playoff PER ever.
- Jordan's season record PER of 31.71 is above Lebron's 31.67. Jordan also has the highest PER for a season ever.
- Jordans career win shares per 48 mins is .2505 over LeBron's .2377. The only player who is above Jordan in this category is Chris Paul.
- Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, and 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron never came close to this stat line for a season
- Playoffs stats:
- Jordan AVGs 33.4 points over Lebron's 28.9
- Jordan AVGs 2.1 Steals over Lebron's 1.8
- Jordan has better Free Throws at 82.8% over Lebron's 74.3% (almost 10% difference)
- Best Playoff Season:
- Jordan's playoff season record for PPG is 43.7 over Lebron's 35.3 (over 8 points)
- Jordan's playoff season record for SPG is 2.8 over Bron's 2.3
- Jordan's playoff season record for BPG is 2.3 over Bron's 1.8
- AVGs 1.6 offensive rebounds total career over Bron's 1.2
- In only 11 seasons with the Bulls:
- 10 scoring titles
- Won DPOY
- 9x All-defensive team
- 9x All-NBA
- 5 league MVPs
- 6 Finals MVPs
Is the choice obvious now?
Yeah, it is. LBJ has to be the GOAT!
mj won by far
mj,Kareem,Larry bird,wilt, magic,CURRY, kd,Kobe and Bill n Hakeem is better than Lebron
*FUN GAME* pause at literally any point in the video and Stephen A’s face is like he’s about to say “BLASPHEMOUS” like he did to Lavar 😂
Max come in the cut all nerdy. "Actually guys did you know.."🤓
Jordan had style, swag and killer instict...it was beatifull to watch him. Lebron is great but not on jordan level...my opinio tho
Elvisnation go watch LeBron witness greatness
Elvisnation E your idiot that note
Yup, Jordan and Kobe were way more fun to watch than Lebron. Iverson and prime D.Rose too.
Elvisnation E "killer instinct" LeBron has 4 more career game winners and game tiers at a higher percentage
funny how athletes are more stronger, faster and smarter than ever in literally every sport but basketball apparently.
If other players have to sacrifice, then its not elevating others. Tracy needs to acknowledge that Wade, Bosh, Kyrie n Love were already established players. However, Pippen was not an established and all star calibre when he joined Jordan. As a matter of fact Sonics traded Pippen.
So a guy whose eyeballs look opposite directions think Lebron is the GOAT over MJ? Got it.
um....Phil jackson vs Tyron Lue....
um Spolestra (Pat Riley)? He run away from good coach or he dismiss him (David Blatt) so what???
OH MY GOD, this is the first time I have ever heard ESPN ever admit this crap about LeBron. finally. he's had at least 2 other all stars with him the last decade and has had the highest payroll team also. you better make the finals with that kind of talent. MJ the goat. always will be
The Karnige Just like they keep saying the warriors team Lebron beat is better than any other team Jordan beat,this is a bunch of Rubbish they forgetting LeBron had two other future hall of famers in Irving and love
Brian Lane future hofs because they won with lebron! Stop acting like these guys werent on lottery teams before joining lbj.the first time they played in the playoffs was with lbj but they were just that good huh? Foh😂😂
And half the games they were injured
What talent does he have nobody scores more then 15 then love an bron and they have terrible coach unlike Jordan with Rodman pippin and Phil so don’t talk about goat
aka Storm Rodman was like 35 when he went to the bulls and they only had him for defense
what i want to ask tmac is. since he admits that someone should sacrifice when teamed up with another allstar. would lebron really defer to you? do you believe you are better than lebron that you would be the first scoring option of the team? The way I see it, lebron would not sacrifice for you. he usually is more effective when he has the ball,which also means You(tmac) would probably be 2nd. with that being said. if you wanted to win, which of the both would you rather defer to? I'd pick MJ 24/7.
Even Lebron himself would volunteraly hand over the ball to prime T-Mac to take the last shot what you talking about
To win, just pass the ball to Jordan. To get some spotlights & last shot, team up with LeBron
Get'em straight T-Mac!
Stephen A just yells at the guy to make his point sound better
Brady Ferg I swear this show so bias
Why does PHIL JACKSON never factor in. Jordan did not coach the triangle himself!
Lmfao GTFO that is weaker than tmac last statement thats why it doesnt factor. soon we'll hear y does steve kerr not factor for curry or heck tylue for bron. great players make great coaches and vise versa.
Rizzy idiot it doesnt matter????
Jordan had to sacrifice his style of play from '84 to '89 (most dominant version of MJ) to play in Phil's system and Tex Winter's Triangle Offense. Tex was the one who invented the triangle offense and Phil was the "conductor" (like an orchestra) to execute it. MJ can play any system and under any coach, just ask Doug Collins, Phil Jackson, Dean Smith, and other coaches who he played against or played with in All Star games. Jordan was the perfect competitor and student of the game, he evolved his game throughout his career, perhaps the only one to truly do that. But Phil was never the legendary coach before coaching Jordan and winning the first 3-peat. Phil did not get Chicago the championship in 94 and 95, in which Rudy T of the Rockets won with Olajuwon. Phil never won in LA with only Kobe as a superstar, he needed to have Shaq and Pau Gasol.
Anthony Moore, perhaps if lebron didn’t kill his coaches, aka allow himself to be coached better coaches would wanna coach him. Why would a great coach go where a man can coach the team to the finals have two all stars go down still compete thanks to the best player on the team and get fired. Blatt isn’t in nba because he tried to coach lebron.
Anthony Moore mj didn even wanna PLAY in da triangle 😅😅
KD didn’t join the warriors to beat LBJ 🤦🏽♂️ he couldn’t beat GS so he joined em
Facts lol.. and LeBron did it first.. couldn't win a chip so he joined D'wade, a proven winner and already won a chip, and Bosh. He still kept losing finals with a stacked team
Q logic but miami didn’t beat lebron, BOSTON did! I wonder why lebron didn’t go to boston because that make his championship runs easier? BECAUSE HE NOT KD. When lebron joins miami FINALS WERE STILL COMPETITIVE AND EXCITING TO WATCH. Unlike that dumbass snake that could sign anywhere else and build his own team rather than joining a already-built team LOL
Q logic stacked? Gsw is more stacked and spurs were more stacked LOL
@@daddydaddysititobadang6947 doesn't matter. Two snakes, just different shades. If KD wins a chip on a different team, he'll be on the same level. Both are 🐍. LeBron's Miami team with D'wade was a stacked team
Here's the worst part, LeFraud joined stacked teams and failed miserably!! Got his ass whipped by the Mavs the 1st year and Ray Allen saved him. At least KD took care of business immediately. Unfortunately he got hurt on the 3rd rodeo..
KD joined the warriors and nobody had to sacrifice their game. Steph still averages 25+ in the high forties and Klay is still getting his. LeBron makes it so everyone has to revolve around him.
LOL Klay is not getting his numbers and lost money due to that.
Klay averaged the same number of points since Durant has joined
Tmac sounded stupid the last few seconds of this vid bringing up kd joining a superteam when LeBron made 2 different ones to win championships in the first place
Did Kyrie or Love make it to the playoffs pre-Lebron james? Did Wade and Bosh make it to the playoffs the year Lebron left (2015)?
Nope
soldier2009 did LeBron win a ring without either of them???? oh ok
treyymacc Did jordan win a ring without pippen? Oh ok
Did Jordan win without Pippen? oh ok
Did Kobe win without Shaq and Gasol? oh ok
Did Magic win without Kareem? oh ok
Did Bird win without Parish? oh ok
What was your point
OG March no but he won 6 with him what's LeBron excuse?????
Max is such a liar and Stephen A thinks being loud and disruptive is being right. Am sure Max's knows but ignores that Scottie Pippen started playing with MJ in 87. They had to gel and wait till 91 for their championship. That's 4 years! So where is this 'as soon as Jordan got Scottie he won' rubbish coming from?
thekenyanpaul Scottie wasn’t an allstar the first chip
MAYBE U SHOULD GET URSELF AN EAR or brain , BECAUSE U SURE DO NOT HAVE ONE , MAX SAID " AS SOON AS PIPPEN BECOME AN ALL STARS "
@Rico Wins Scottie Pippen was an ALL-STAR in 1990 and played with Michael Jordan but they didn't win the championshiop in 1990. I don't accuse anyone of being a liar lightly. Max is a liar with his 'As soon as Michael got an all-star ...' rubbish.
william alexander alexander It is inaccurate even if you shout. Scottie Pippen became an all-star in 1990 but Bulls/Jordan lost in conference finals. So the "as soon as Jordan played with an all-star' is a nonsense Max loves to regurgitate.
thekenyanpaul not rlly bc lebron got swept in the finals with 2 all stars on his team and lost 2 more times with more 2 all stars on his team and he lost to a team with 1 all star so i don’t wanna hear they didn’t win the championship the first year Scottie became an all star bs bc lebron played with 4 established all stars and lost 4 times you wanna know how many times Jordan played a full season with an all star and lost... once... yikes that hurts ur argument
Stephen A. Smith would be a great pastor with how loud he yells and his repeated use of the word Blasphemy
What??? Has Lebron played with lesser talents???
OMG 😂😂😂 D- Wade: champion, finals MVP, top 3 player in the league at the time.
Bosh: Best player on the Raptors, multiple all-star games, olympic roster, raising star in the league.
Irving: Probobly they fastest and excited dribble/offensive player of all time, multiple all-stars, FIBA world championship MVP, all-star game MVP.
Kevin Love: two seasons in a row with 26 ppg and 13 reabounds, double double record, on the olympic roster, multiple all-star.
Westbrook: Former MVP, superstar, greatest triple double player of all time, Probobly the most athletic PG of all time and one of the fastest, HALL OF FAMER.
AD: Top 2 bigman in the game, top in MVP voting for a couple of years, the best defensive bigman in the game, multiple all-star, olympic player, the best player in New Orleans history.
So Lebron has have lesser talent than Jordan??? In what world or universe.
Michael played with ONE regular all-star player in his prime, and that's Pippen, who many times even couldn't score above 20 ppg.
And that's the guy Jordan won 6 straight chips with when healthy.
C'mon now
T-Mac, how you gonna say MJ doesn't make his teammates better. Jordan's first 3-Peat Jordan, Pippen, and a bunch of role players. 2nd 3-Peat Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman(who wasnt a scorer), and a bunch of role players.
James when he left for Miami had Wade, Bosh, Battier, Allen, and other high rated players. James back at Cleveland, had Kyrie, Love, J.R. Smith, etc.
James has always played with higher rated rosters than Jordan did.
Here are some role players Jordan played with B.J Armstrong, Craig Hodges, Cliff Levingston, Dennis Hopson, Randy Brown, Jud Buechler, Dickey Simpkins, Jason Caffey.
Here are some role players from Lebrons title years Shane Battier, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller, Ray Allen, Chris Andersen, Rashard Lewis, Channing Frye, Richard Jefferson, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams.
Jordan 6 for 6 in NBA Championships
Lebron is what 3 for 8.
Stupidly biased list of role players Jordan had. Conveniently forgot to mention: Steve Kerr, Tony Kukoc, Horace Grant, NBA All-Defensive Player and 7x Rebounding Champion (who you just disregarded as some average player) Dennis Rodman, Phil Jackson as one of the all-time great coaches and of course top 50 all-time (8x Defensive First Team) Scottie Pippen. 72-10 team had no role players? Look up 2007 Cavs that Lebron got to the Finals vs the Spurs. The 2010 Cavs had a record of 61-21 after Lebron left they were 19-63, that's called making a team better.
Matt Robinson even adding those, Lebron still had higher rated role players. Kerr, will be remembered for one shot, he wasn't a scorer., Horace Grant is in the same group as Rodman. Kukoc was a decent player. So Kukoc and Battier cancel each other out. With the teams Lebron has had, he should be 8 for 8.
Ultimately, this is a debate that will never end. Two different era's.
"James has always played with higher rated rosters than Jordan did."
James went to the FINALS with Mo Williams as his second best player. In 2015, Love AND Kyrie were injured. LeBron took a team to the Finals where Matthew Dellavedova was the next best player. Jordan NEVER ONCE got to .500 without another Hall of Famer. He played 11 playoff games without Pippen. He was 1-10 in those games. You REALLY think there is a comparison?
THEGR8ONE it should end. Lebron played better teams than Jordan did. Nowadays everyone’s so athletic. I just watched some Jordan games on CZcams and some of the people guarding him wouldn’t be in the nba today.
Jordan couldnt win a chip before he got help either. To win you need a core of good players end of story.
beterbutz Terrible argument. No one has ever won a ring by themself. No one.
Tmac not even trying....coz he knows, what they don't, that what it really takes to be a great basketball player 😌
Love T Mac but he lost this argument. When u have SAS and max agreeing with each other and their right just admit defeat because those two usually don’t agree with each other.
Jordan is a better competitor than lebron its "mind over matter". I like lebrons game better for a team sport but I do believe Jordan was a better competitor and winner than lebron because his competitive drive plus game pushed him to a level most players can't hit. Lebron has the most God given talent plus basketball IQ but does not have the same competitive will that Jordan had it's not a knock it's just what it is. Lebron is a general he wants to win as a team whereas Jordan is a assassin he does most of the work himself to win.
Kyle Adams this is actually a really good assessment. I like this.
Kyle Adams well said. U are absolutely right that is the difference. Lebron is genetically a better player period. But lacks the will to win that mj had. Kobe had that will thats why he will always be better than lebron.
Jordan is more naturally talented then JeBrawn.
I just want to hear your explanation? It's all subjective for the most part but please explain
Kyle Adams perfectly said
Stephen A. is the biggest joke ESPN can offer. Makes me sad to watch Tracy endure through it
Tracy wanted to punch stephan a smith
he entertaining though . Imagine this show with max and a random guy
Mantas Šlečkus this man said "wah wah wah, lemme get my point out" 😂😂
Good shit Tracy !
durant joined warriors not because he wants to beat lebron, the truth is he doesn't want to play against warriors again.
Such a great interview. Steven A and Max made two perfect points abt LeBron. 1: players sacrifice to play with him. 2: it's easier to build super team with MJ. Such perfect, precise and accurate points! Hats off to you guys!
all mj do is score and defense that's why its so easy and people love when players score a lot, they under estimate when players pass and make plays because they dot understand basketball like that
See what Steven A not saying is LBJ sacrificed his first year in Miami and they didn't win. If LBJ sacrificed that would mean the team loses. You don't sacrifice to lose you sacrifice to win. MJ had to sacrifice by trusting his teammates. That's a known fact. That's why he didn't win early in his Career. That's why we only talk about 6yrs of MJ career. LBJ is at yr 15.
Max Kellerman is downplaying the help that Jordan got. When Jordan got help he still lost in the semis. When Lebron has help he has always made it to the finals.
And Max is ignoring the fact that you need more help this era because the top teams have multiple allstars and multiple future hall of famers. Jordan’s teams were simply better than the other teams, not because it was just Jordan but he had plenty of quality help over the competition.
Lebron James teams were usually underdogs in the finals while Jordan was always the favorite.
Michael Pun was lebrons team an underdog when playing the 2011 Mavericks???
Michael Pun and the reason why Jordan’s team was never the underdog was bc they had michale god damn jordan
@@lukegentry5131 the Bulls were still good while Jordan was playing baseball. Don't leave that out. And Pippen was hooping too.
Carlos Golden yea but be honest if Jordan would’ve kept playing basketball the bulls woulda had 8 straight championships
@@lukegentry5131 Maybe. But the problem with that is Jordan couldn't beat the Rockets. He actually said that he's glad that monster can't get out the West. So that whole discussion is a toss up. You first have to realize that Olajuwan was that good.
McGrady: " I came in (Orlando) as a pass-first player NOT a scorer "
And in his first season there he averaged like 27 ppg
He's talking about Toronto dude. It was Stephen A who brought in the Orlando part of his career.
The league may be less physical today, but people completely neglect the fact that the league is at such a deeply talented phase. There are so many damn good players in this generation. The league wasn’t as deep then despite it being tougher and more fun to follow.
Lebron making his teammates better has been the fakest plug ever created by the media in nba history.
Gmoney Mozart bro you don’t know what you’re talking about look at all the teams he played with statistically with and without Lebron.
lebron makes his teammates worse holds the ball to long takes his teammates out of rythem
Gmoney Mozart that is so true 2007cav players numbers dropped when lebron came
STATS DONT LIE no they don’t. Statistically and performance every team he’s played for played substantially better. Don’t talk out your ass.
STATS DONT LIE ur dumb lmao
Why does molly look like shes about to perform a rendition of "whats its gonna be" with busta rhymes?
T-Mac is my favorite player. He made me become Rockets fan. When he played I had the same feeling when I watch Harden play: This team can do something. Unfortunately injuries he and Yao suffered stopped any success they might have had. When Rockets got Harden, I got that same happy optimistic feeling about Rockets potential I had with T-Mac on the court.
That last statement was the worst bail out I seen lmao. KD joining the warriors has nothing to do with a Jordan or James argument on who makes a team better. KDs move was weak but who has already done something similar to that TWICE! And about to be a THIRD time after he either gets beat by the Celtics or 4-1 in the finals. MJ made Scottie who he is easy
If you think lebron going to Miami is equal to KD leaving to Golden State, you need a new brain.
He's a great player but yes, you're right.
And scottie had a 55 win team without Jordan
Bulls without mj will win vs lbj without cavs thats how these two affect their teams
jordan only needed one other player in a time where each team would only have 1-2 allstats. GSW has 4 hall of famers on their team man. of course lebron gunna need more talent to beat more talent. Compared to the their competition tho, Jordan needed more than Lebron.
Except Lebron needed 2-3 superstars before The Warriors became a contender.
Wasif Zulkernine made a super team in 2011 then ran back home n made another super team in 2014. Warriors made theirs in 2016 so wtf u talkin bout😒
Nathan Thomas celtics didn’t have 3 superstars?
Nathan Thomas spurs didn’t have 3 superstars?
Mikeman Jordan at the rate they going all 4 gunna be hofs
Lebron do not elevate his teammates. FACT! Everyone else on lebrons team,even superstars, becoming spot up shooter. Look at kevin love, and now kyrie left because he is not willing to be spot up shooter. He is not elevating his teammates , he making them a role players and most of the time he is just standing around, not defending and only waiting for rebound for his stats again.
FACT... there are no facts in your opinion...FACT
Okay! you tell me which of his teammates become better and significantly elevated their play? Jr smith looks awful unlike few years ago, isiah thomas became less of a player the time he was playing with lebron. Kevin love is more like a spot up shooter than a superstar? back in miami bosh was less of a star after pairing up with lebron, his game was not elevated and have to change his game for the diva queen. Seriously i cant come up with a player that became better after they played with lebron aside from washed up Richard Jefferson.
How can he elevate his team mates if he keeps on leaving teams and trading his team mates. 😂
Tmac- “ These guys had to build super teams to beat Lebron James”
He must have forgotten about the Mavs, or the Spurs, or the first time the Dubs beat them. Out of his 6 finals losses he lost to a super team twice.
first of all LBJ started it.
All of you saying SAS killed mac... how does being louder than your opponent qualify as a victory?
Tretch Mac agreed with him at the end tho
In today’s Era MJ would average 47ppg and a Triple Double, if we’re talking Prime years I’d Take Kobe over LBJ.
lmfao in this era people can jump and block,jordan jumper worked well because nobody could jump with him. he played in more physical era but it was weak.
@Stephen can't Curry what the fuck are yall talking about? Less competitive because it wasnt flashy. Yall dont kno basketball. You seem like a curry fan boy.... Curry wouldnt be the player he is today if he was drafted in 1990.
Rody in Japan say that again slowly . More physical era but weak.. sigh
There's no such thing as THE GOAT, All Great players were Great in there generation
Corny
Thanks Tracy, it's not hard. Step A and Max are trying to be smart.
Which player forced a 73 Win team to get the LAST 3 CURRENT MVPS TO BEAT HIM 🤔🤫