NEW Class 805 Units FAIL at Crewe on Test Run!
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2023
- Oh dear.. Trouble for the Class 805 units on today's test run from Oxley Car MD to Glasgow Central.
I believe this was the first test run double-headed for 805001 & 805003 however ISTBC on that..
An unscheduled stop at Platform 6 at Crewe was needed for a (possible) electrical fault. Luckily these units are Bi-mode so can rectify some failures by switching to either diesel/electric mode if required.
After some on platform tests - It was decided to take the units off to Crewe Down Refuse Sidings under diesel power for further systems analysis.
The test run to Glasgow was later abandoned and both units retraced their earlier steps back to Oxley Car MD in Wolverhampton.
Hope you enjoy the video! Thanks for watching.
#class805 #805001 #805003 #failure #breakdown #crewestation #trainsatcrewe #hitachi #class80x #avantiwestcoast #wcml
The Avanti West Coast Class 805 Bi-Mode (and Class 807 Electric) will look amazing in Avanti West Coast livery before they enter service later this year.
until Avanti get stripped of the franchise lol
@@dizzy4017 franchising ended you know
Still I think that the Class 805 and Class 807 will be in service before the end of this year. No matter what’s happens to Avanti West Coast.
I can’t wait to see these coming to Avanti west coast, Glad they are getting some Electric only units aswell as they can be used to Edinburgh/Glasgow/Blackpool
Better to have issues now rather in passenger service !
If its anything like IT faults at school......
Have you tried switching it off and switching it on again 😂
Nice catch.I was wondering what was going on. I was at the Heritage Centre, saw it on 6, and wondered why it eventually reversed out again.
It wasn’t clear what was happening from my view for a good while 🙈🤣
This is what testing and mileage accumulation runs are for. Not sure its 'embarrassing' as oithers suggest. Its just a train on test. No passengers so no one inconvenienced.
exactly - nice to see the testing is actually achieving what its aimed for i.e find problems before they go into service!
Unfortunately none of that is true, these trains are identical in every meaningful way to ones that have been in service for almost 5 years. For Things to still be going wrong with them is an embarrassment
@@Trainman10715 Oh dear God not another comment with that word 'embarrassment'. Used by people who have struggled to find an argument...... 🤦♂
Well straight off you show your ignorance. These are in no way 'identical' to trains built 5 years ago. There are massive software differences brought about by selective door opening, new routes with new electrical interference and the advent of new signalling systems like European Rail Traffic Management System ( ERTMS). Of course no Class 805s have existed before so this is a first in class and no Hitachi '800' series trains run on the WCML which is why they ran months of dynamic testing in Wolverhampton and are now in mileage accumulation runs like this. And yes new machinery does fail as it beds in.
What is not shown is what the alleged 'failure' was. It could have been a simple trip out of an electrical breaker which would take 5 minutes to fix. But no to you its all an 'embarrassment'?
@@1chish @1chish oh dear got, not another one who doesn't understand what 'train thats been in service for over 6 years' means. It would seem you're just another armchair expert who reads lots of stuff about these things and then think you're educated enough to explain their 'differences' to other people and how supposedly they could cause problems. Most of what you've described are not differences between the older ones at all, Class 80xs have had SDO since the first ones were introduced, "new routes with new electrical interference" what? If you refer to the fact that they have different service patterns in their PISs, why on earth would that be the cause of issues? its just a PIS, let alone electrical interference, tf are you on about? this is a train, not a radio station. These trains don't have ERTMS fitted, they are capable of having it installed, just like all previous 80x classes, so again, identical. Route has nothing to do with the fact that the train is identical, if they can run on the ecml and gwml they can run on the wcml. You talk the talk about ignorance and not having an argument and all you're doing is describing yourself, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so rather than trying to defend a topic that you're clearly ignorant on, why not go do some research on it. Whatever failure it was, it shouldn't have happened as these trains are identical to ones that have already been serving for years. Do you remember the 707s or 717s getting caught up having problems during testing testing? No, any of the post 2010 electrostars? No, any of the aventras after the 345 (701 notwithstanding) no. When a competent manufacturer introduce a train that is almost identical to one that they've already made it sailes through testing cos it's not gonna have any issues as its tried and tested technology and it's issues have been ironed out, only Hitachi are incompetent enough to keep producing trains that are almost the same as their previous designs and still yet still have problems, and that's why we call it an embarrassment, because it is
@@Trainman10715 I got to 'armchair expert' and lost interest as you are clearly far better at self righteous arrogance and stupidity than I am.
You have a very safe weekend 'trainman'.
good to see class 80x's doing what they do best
Being a total failure in every part of the job
@@leonblittle226 that is right.
Bieng a complete downgrade?
YOU'LL BE GOING NOWHERE
Wow the catches are awesome 🤩🤩
Well I've learn't something from this, I didn't know they were bi-modal...good job they are as it was able to clear the line under diesel power. I suspect therefore that it was an electrical fault, but until further info' comes out I'm afraid I cannot speculate on what caused the fault.
Rumor says it was some sort of power issue
Order to replace 221s and go to Holyhead, Chester and other non overhead wire places.
Would have been funny to see a Voyager overtake them!
Now that would have been hilarious.
It would have definitely made Avanti reconsider their choices
No it would, no one like Voyagers, most unloved units on the railway.
Not even Cross country have taken the off lease ones Avanti West Coast 😂.
@@corinheathcote9868 if it helps i love them
@@corinheathcote9868 people prefer them over these nasty things, people hated voyagers cos they replaced HSTs, these things make the voyagers look good
Great video, thank you.
That 730/1 looks nice
We should see a few more test runs from those over the next few weeks now 👍
I think that the Class 730/2 will also be the same as the Class 730/1.
Great video as usual👍
Thank you! 🙏👍
@@trainsplanes Anytime! 🙂
Wow i can not believe how you kept your lovely camera still on a tripod beautiful video well done great camera work as usual hope to hear from you and your lovely videos bye for now Philip
Thanks Philip.. Appreciate your kind words as ever 🙏👍
Amazing
They were both running on diesel power when they stopped at Stafford before this stop
In the early days the Pendolinos regularly failed. There would be discussions between bathe drivers & the train manager, everything would go black it would reboot & off we’d go again. By the time I’d stopped using them in 2011 they seemed reliable.
Funnily enough, the last time I was on a Pendolino last year going up to Glasgow, we stayed for quite a while in Lancaster. The train manager eventually told us they were rebooting the train and as you described everything went dark for a few minutes. Thankfully we were then on our way.
What is the difference between the Class 805 and the class 800/1/2
Anyone got a shilling for the meter?
what was the issue? electric failure, software anomaly, clearance?
I doubt that you really meant 'refuse sidings' ... but perhaps given the failure, you did 😅
Haha! I did indeed mean ‘refuge’ sidings! A typo that kind of worked out for a change 🙏👍
Figured things had really gone south and these are now junk 😂
I was working in the Crewe PSB that day and that thing cause no end of problems for us
I can imagine.. It looked like it was creating a few short term decisions to be made 😜
@@trainsplanes Yes short term issues finding a margin to run it to its depot (Oxley) at 30 mph And not seen one since on test
@@waynemonaghan7938 Ouch - I can imagine that being a real pain. Did you hear what was wrong with it out of interest..?
What is the difference between class 805s and 807s than the current 800s,801s,802s,803s. And why is there no class 804 and 806? Also is it me or do those windows look like the smallest train windows ever? Nice catch btw!
Avanti wanting to be special
Software issue slmost uncertainly. It's always software with modern Trains. I do think they look great in overall white, shame they'll (i suppose) be given Avanti's rather messy livery
Power issue, the rumor says
Maybe ran out of 50’s for the meter 😂
@@blairleipst4508 WITH THE COST OF ELECTRICITY NOW DAYS ITS A 50 POUND NOTE FOR THE METERS NOT FIFTY PENCE.
IF IT WAS IN FULL AVANTI LIVERY IT WOULD NOT HAVE TURNED UP AT ALL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CANCELLED.
Always good to read the comments of the armchair pundits.
Testing is an important part of the proceedure to shakedown new trains. 1,000 miles of Faultfree Testing, and if it fails, then its back to 0 miles, and start again.
Indeed. I think the Anglia units were 5000 miles fault free but not sure.
Armchair rail experts always make me smile/cringe in equal measure. Spend all day on various platforms, writing numbers down & chatting to like minded folk & BOSH - expert in all things rail. Very reluctant to any change too, even though all things have a life span. HSTs etc are good and I’ve been driving them for 25 years, but big units are so much nicer to work on, to be honest.
@@nedseagoon5101 - Big units? In which way? Doesn't sound like a very technical comparison between units, for a supposed real life train driver.
If they have to keep going back to zero then I look forward to them making their passenger carrying debut in 2075
@@BobC250 Nice. Make some tea & watch some more Railway videos, then give us your insight.
The hatred at these seems a little curious. "Boring modern trains a million steps backwards in comfort and joy!!" These will replace the Class 221 Voyagers. Have those suddenly become much-loved by the enthusiast community?
no, people are just realising that the voyagers are better than we thought. the voyagers are more comfortable than these things and faster thanks to tilting
Right place at the right time.
That’s very true - Lucky to be there 👍
"Passengers will have to get used to seats that one compared to an ironing board" - Tom Edwards of bbc london news
Apparently they will have the same seats as the class 390
@@Serial_designationN225 guess that could be a up but they still can't tilt and aren't as reliable as the 221s
@@darksars3622 yeah
Cheap plastic new tat. There's a reason rolling stock like the Class 43 HST was in service for 40+ years before replacement. Will these last?
Funny, the LNR 730 front actually doesn't look too bad with the black, maybe because the green is quite dark, whereas the WMR one with the orange looks awful (reminds me of Brak from Space Ghost!). This obsession with black fronts needs to go in the bin honestly.
I thought called class, 800 trains is 805 newer updated
Thank You
They don't tilt is that because acceleration and deceleration is way better than the Pendolino's?
It was decided that the extra 5 minutes or less tilting saves isn't worth the significant maintenance cost, and they think they can raise normal EMU speeds in a few areas
@@andrewreynolds4949 Thank you 👍
no they just couldnt be bothered to spend the money on adapting the IET design to tilt. so they just decided that journey times and passenger comfort arent important anymore if they can save a bit on the design
@@Trainman10715 They decided it wasn't worth the extra complexity and cost. More complicated moving parts also usually means less reliability
@@andrewreynolds4949 apart from with the pendolinos and super voyagers which are among the most reliable on the network. If you put the effort and money into a tilting design then you can counteract the added complexity of said design, Hitachi being lazy cheapskates couldn't be bothered with and of that
Great looking train though
They look better in all white versus train company liveries imo 👍
God I can’t wait to see these be scrapped
They’re not gonna be scrapped lol… if anything voyagers will probably get scrapped because of their age and unreliability
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Not 'down refuse siding' but 'down REFUGE siding. Sorry for being so pedantic!
Hi Brian, refuge it is indeed - It was just a typo I’m afraid! 🙈😫
is the 805 for avanti
Yes - To replace the Avanti Voyagers..
@@trainsplanes Damn that's a downgrade in looks imo
@@trainsplanes voyagers I’ve never really been in one but I’ve heard they are unreliable and crap is is true? Coz I’ve been on similar units (222 meridians) and they have been a smooth ride
Well these Class 805's don't seem to be fit for purpose! I've seen several videos where they've had issues or failed! Not exactly confidence inspiring!
People like you who got APT scrapped.
Most trains have teething problems. I have been on a few HST fails over the years also, the first time I took a 225 from Kings Cross, it ran brilliantly to Peterborough, and then failed. That's life I am afraid. Don't like the IEPS though. Seats are terrible. A journey from Truro to London gets really uncomfortable.
@@jamesbarrett1583 these arent teething problems, these trains have been running in service for 6 years now, the 800s only differ to these interior-wise. no excuse for issues now other than build quality
@@jamesbarrett1583 man's got teething problems at 6 years old, cuh.
@@z00h Not suggesting this is a new design. Where I live in Truro, we have had the questionable pleasure of IEPs for quite a few years. All of these units have the feel of a product built to a price, hence the hideous seats, and complete lack of sound insulation, not to mention the terrible ride quality over all but perfect track geometry. However, when something is new, any imperfections will eventually surface. This could be build quality, but may be faulty components. Remember also, who the builders of this train are.
Here we go - Everything new is crap! No, it’s being tested so it hopefully doesn’t end up being ‘crap’ when it enters revenue service. I love 50s, & they were very troublesome when they were new. They got sorted eventually.
50050 went from Nottingham to Scotland Today to rescue a class 37. Do you think these units will still be running in 40 years time. No me either.
@@darrylrichardson7940 Yes. Yes I do. They’ll probably be running for longer than that. 323s are 30 years old and have got many years left, if needed. Not sure why a 50 rescuing a 37 is relevant though.
@@nedseagoon5101 You said you loved 50's but they were troublesome when new but I said to prove how good they were/are that one was out on the mainline to rescue another old and classic machine. Re the 323 if they have many years left why are West Midlands railway getting rid ?. Next time you reply to anyone look what you have written first. SO AS TO NOT MAKE YOUR SELF LOOK FOOLISH.
@@darrylrichardson7940 That’s me told. You bellthronk.
these things are crap. testing aint relevant, apart from some slight interior differences, these trains are identical to the class 800s that have been running for near of 6 years now, so theres no excuse for issues other than poor built quality - cant call them teething issues anymore.
Are they avantie new trains
Apparently they will be replacing the Voyager units on the Holyhead routes from Euston. Eventually.
@@iancroot1388 yes will be replacing the Voyagers on the North Wales Coast Line & on the WCML.
I guess this is why they have run down periods just like the car manufacturers, great catch and highly embarrassing for the train builders.
Cheers Paul - Hopefully it’s fixed and back out again soon.
@paultaylor9652. Not sure it is embarrassing to find faults during the testing/ shake down stages.
Maybe they are Refuse, but they went to Crewe REFUGE Siding - hiding from irate passengers who have had to change platforms.
Hi Ray, a typo I’m afraid - I meant refuge 👍
could have been worse it could have been a platform full of refugee passengers.
Classic Hitatchi 🤦♂
Could we not do what us dose to some of their diesel locomotives and modifie them to keep them going
Ie Could we not have retrofit hst to be bi mode and up date some aspects to make them more up-to-date but with out detracting from what makes them so grate
That would cost more than the cost of a new train! To retro fit AC power to a train designed as a diesel loco. Probably not even physically possible.
Companies have tried to update old units with very little success. like the class 230 from old underground stock and class 769 that were modernised from 319's being sent back at the end of the leases.
@@BobC250 nope, 57s 69s, always cheaper to re-engineer than build new
@@darrylrichardson7940 that's because the projects have been fundamentaly mismanaged and not properly funded, when done properly like the 57s, it always works out cheaper to re-engineer stuff than to build new
All im saying is both those new units better have good seats or else....
They will have the same seats as the refurbished 390s and the Lumo units
@@andrewreynolds4949 doesnt help as i havent seen either of those seats
@@class50thrasher - Assuming you've heard of 800-803s, IETs and Azumas, they all have ironing board, thin seats that most passengers have negatively reported. These will be the same. Paper thin seats, too bright lighting and rattly panels.
@@BobC250 Well yet ive been on the GWR sets they were horrible but the LNER ones feel a lot to better to ride in
@arthurboxington1112 they are not ironing boards
Hitachi have live monitoring systems on these trains so most likely know about the fault before the driver would, it is up to Hitachi on how to deal with it and they are always going to take the easy option and get it off the line and out the way over trying countless fault finding tests while blocking lines or possibly making it worse, not to mention these trains are brand new and while the people driving them will have had training, it doesn’t always mean they know how to deal with everything in the correct way pressing the right buttons at the right time and in the right order
A Million Steps Backwards as far as Travel is concerned and Passenger comfort 🤮🤮
They'll be replacing Voyagers
I won’t travel on LNER since they phased out 125 and now doing same to 225. Going where I need to by car instead. Loved going on 125/225 enjoyed the comfort reliability sounds they make when coming into the station and leaving.
Biggest mistake phasing out 125s/225/ on east coast/GWR routes still got plenty of life left in them. Glad cross country and Scot rail took some 125s on love to go on the 125 midland pullman one day.
Kudos to those companies seeing the light taking 125s on. Just shame about 225s don’t really see them much part from the LNER intercity livery or Malcom logistics.
@@AndreiTupolev Am aware of that, Cheers.
@@LoneSheWolf09 Can't blame you for doing that.
@@stephenstack7858 I used to love travelling on 125 back in the GNER days til the day it got pulled out of service. I just loved hearing the sounds that it made coming up to the station or flying past the station. Beautiful train. Comfort you couldn’t fault seats just adapted to you no back ache no discomfort just sit back relax enjoy the journey. Yeah granted it costs lot to keep 125s/225s maintained but you get moneys worth from them both looks how old 125 is fgs over 40yrs old still going with some train companies yeah granted some heritage centres have taken some too keep nostalgia alive. But those 40+ work horses is worth the salt compared to hitcahi azumas which doesn’t even come close to our reliable work horse 115/225 fleet.
That’s why it’s a test run. Fail now rather than in service. That’s the point of the exercise.
If only we built trains like we used to in the UK🙄
What, with no safety features like the Intercity 125s?
@@isnitjustkit Bit of a silly statement, the class 43's are over 40 years old so at he time they were built and designed to the standards of the time.
@@Dreamweaver787 That’s kinda irrelevant considering you want to go back to making trains like that
@@isnitjustkit but the HSTs had considerable safety features and are of a stronger construction than current trains (including these) so actually make sure you know what you're talking about before making ignorant remarks
@@Trainman10715 The Class 43 has no crash structure, at all, and the Mark 3 carriages immediately fail when they derail, crumpling like paper
I do know what I'm talking about, evidently better than you do. You don't get to claim that "HSTs had considerable safety features" when the driver could reasonably be ejected from the vehicle in the event of a collision
that means the 805 service is getting a delay
What, one minor issue probably related to software is likely to delay introduction?
@@AndreiTupolev Have you not heard of the class 701.
@@darrylrichardson7940Hitachi and Bombardier are no where near in terms of how many issues they always seem to have
@@isnitjustkit well yeah, Hitachi always have more, the 701s are an exception with bombardier, everything else they've made has entered service on time with few problems and have proven extremely reliable, unlike Hitachis junk
@@Trainman10715class 701s are shit
これはHITACHI製ですか
Hi, Yes this is a Hitachi train.
We need to go back to Locomotive and Coaches designed and made in Britain by a British company.
Hitachi Rail Europe is a British company and makes almost everything in County Durham
@@isnitjustkit Hitachi is Japanese.
@@jammiedodger7040 and Hitachi Rail Europe is an almost completely different company
@@isnitjustkit there's no registered company in the UK trading as "Hitachi rail Europe", if you refer to Hitachi rail, "Hitachi, Ltd. Railway Systems Business Unit, trading as Hitachi Rail, is the rolling stock and railway signalling manufacturing division of Hitachi". Bro doesn't know what 'division' means
@@Trainman10715 Companies House has a listing for “Hitachi Rail Limited” which went by the name “Hitachi Rail Europe” until April 2019. This is a name the general public and experts still use for the company to distinguish it from Hitachi in Japan, both the company and the city in Ibaraki
Is it just me or does anyone else think hitatchi has no creativity? Cummon man, they're producing the exact same looking train SEVEN TIMES over. They've turned into the apple of the railway world. Of course you could make the same argument with the electrostars, but this is on a different level.
Commonality pays unfortunately - Minimal extra development work, tooling, other capex all equals more Hitachi profit.
I’m sick of seeing these fking trains everywhere lol it’s gonna get to the point where all intercity express trains are hitachi IETs… and all commuter trains are now either Siemens/desiro city or electrostars.. it’s repetitive
The sheer ugliness of contemporary British railways is so depressing to behold. I would have like to see the horrible thing get towed away by a Stanier 8F, with a lined maroon livery Mark 1 BG in between. That would be nice to do in a sim.
Rust everywhere, paint peeling off and scaffolding holding the place together and you think the *train* is the ugly bit?!
@@Paul_Harper
That as well. The entire scene. The GWML is the worst with a 100 mile long corridor of heavy duty gallows and gantries strung along the Thames valley and Vale of White Horse. The Hitachi trains add the finishing touch. White liveries show up the ugly proportions of the trains and a side view reveals the masses of rooftop clutter. Goodness knows what the air resistance from that, and the wide spaces between the carriages, adds to energy consumption.
@@physiocrat7143 Despite looking absolutely appalling, they are in fact very slippery through the air. The wind tunnels showed that the roof was no issue, the gangways no issue and the doors no issue. Leaving aside the seats and lack of proper buffet, basically the things that the politicians dont think we should have, the trains themselves are actually very advanced. Not quite ahead of their time, but, still state of the art. Just a shame they dont have the looks to match.
@@LiveFromLondon2
I am surprised. The gaps between the vehicles and the rooftop clutter look like perfect ways of generating turbulence. What is the reason for these gaps - they are a lot more then you would get even with buffers and screw couplings; compare the close coupled with Mark 1 with buckeye and Pullman gangways (which are an important contributor to ride quality). I suppose the wide spacing will at least look right in the 00 gauge models when they come out.
@@LiveFromLondon2 sliding pocket doors arent as aerodynamic as plug doors so anyone who stated that theres nothing aerodynamically bad about the doors was talking out their arse. nothing advanced about these, cramped interior, poor interior layout, poor ride quality, poor noise levels, poor build quality and poor reliability dont sound very advanced to me
And modern tech dies .....bring bck proper traction
Please 🙏 trains 🚂 🚊 🚆, don’t let this happen by failing to work. Do the job well. There must be alternative West Coast train 🚊 drivers can happen. There’s bound to be. Behave yourselves trains 🚂 and don’t upset 😢 the railway 🚃 staff and customers by breaking down. Trains 🚆 are supposed to survive for around perhaps 🤔 50 years is more or less. All class 805s have first class accommodation and toilets 🚽 🚻. Conveys a carpet perhaps 🤔. All accommodation is non smoking 🚭. The windows 🪟🪟🪟🪟 on all class 805s have rectangle. They will be repainted into the West Coast livery. The long distance trains 🚆 in the world 🌍. 👍👍👍👍👍
郝车机破😂😂
I'm sorry that i couldn't stop loughing when i heard the voice of motor which is similar to an unreliable train（DKZ5-H432） in beijing subway line 13😆
Units like these are so ugly. Be ideal on a test track running into a flask!
Train failed? Sounds like a Skill Issue
CHILDISH comments regarding failure
Childish comments trying to defend them more like, anyone questioning as to why a 6 year old design is still having problems has a valid point
@@Trainman10715 but it can be articulated better than using childish commentary
@@ianpage2765 yeh true but same can be said of the armchair experts trying to defend them who seem to think they have special knowledge about how new trains have to do a certain number of miles without failure, all the while they completely forget that these aren't new trains
Typical Avanti not so much rolling stock more of a laughing stock.
Shows how rubbish they are
How exactly are they rubbish?
Just because there was a slight electrical fault doesn't immediately equal to a train being crap. Just give them time for crying out loud it's still early days for them.
@@jamtart606 the 800 series in general are. Rubbish seats, rubbish reliability
@@Sophiebryson510 Rubbish reliability???
Are you just taking that out of your own arse or do you have actually any proof when the last 800 was taken out of service due to a fault?
The pendolinoes had several technical problems when they were new, which gave the old locos a reprieve for a few months to almost a year. Teething troubles are very common with a lot of new trains and many other things. Even in the old days, things had teething troubles, but with technology changed so much since then, it's expected with pretty much everything from cars, planes trains and much more.
you are forgetting the chassis problems they had when they arrived up in UK requiring quite significant repairs to get them running again.
They have had more problems than the HST ever had but all the drunk reporters slagged that off so much it ended up scrapped.
Don’t forget Pendolinos only came about by using APT technology.
What a joke
expensive foreign produced rubbish - whatever happened to good old british builds, at least we supported our own economy