How The Refs Killed Offense In The NBA
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Since the all star game debacle, the scores in the NBA have gone done dramatically, and you can point to the way the referees are calling fouls as the culprit. Coach Nick explains exactly how they've done this and which calls they've decided to let go.
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Thank god. Seeing offensive players create contact by jumping into the defender etc, made me sick
for real
It always reminds me of a little kid trying to get their sibling in trouble by falling down dramatically - they IMMEDIATELY look to a parent, maybe work up some tears, to see if they can manipulate the situation. The difference, of course, is that a 4-year-old is doing it because their brain is still developing and learning how to regulate emotions and behaviour. These are grown men... ostensibly...
anything inorganic is disgusting. Same with the swing-through.
I get it when defenders were too close but to intentionally awkwardly swing your arms during a shot to tangle with defenders(Harden, Dbook, KD, CP3) is disgusting. As if their shooting form are that wack if there is no defender in front of them.
@@august6281to be fair the rip through isnt the same, because thats just the defensive players being idiotic
Players act like it's a gotcha moment when in reality they're just manipulating a referee instead of a defender. Shit's shameless, and its why guard play has sucked ass for the past decade.
I like the direction the NBA is going now with the whistles down.
Crazy how the whistle is called less and people are still complaining
@@wswann34almost like people love to complain
If it’s harder to go to the rim, shoot more threes 😂😅 “even more”
Some players had whistles down their whole carrier.
@@wswann34 maybe because they realize that their team is dependent to free throws and losing thats why they are complaining
"hair starts to thin out" *Trae Young on screen* 😅😂
And then Caruso, lebron, kd, and a bunch more bald guys or dudes with receding hairlines😂
Savage
Damn lol
Hurts my heart
My man was violating lol...
Adam Silver punishing the players for mailing it in at the All Star weekend.
It’s definitely this one here 😂
Underrated comment.
Good, they embarrassed the league
Has he should
I love it‼️ might get back watching it more often
This was long overdue, NBA shouldve taken the hint when nba players were expecting the same treatment overseas during the WC and Olympics. Glad to see a change in officiating
Wait - didn't the league try to get rid of "non-basketball moves" back in 2021? I recall it worked for a while until the players union complained loudly, after which, the refs went back to allowing them.
it was implemented for like a month or two, then back to disgusting calls and foul baiting.
They’ve said this at the beginning of every season for the last 10 years.
@@drewelric118no they haven’t lmao
@@drewelric118 bro is just capping for no reason
I think you really have to see who is initiating the contact. In the last years it always baffled me how physical offensive players are allowed to play, bumping, backing down in the post, bully ball, hard and often moving screens while defenders essentially have to overthink every limb that they are extending more than an inch from their body.
If an offensive player is unnaturally initiating contact to draw a foul they don't get the call, period. It is not the objective of basketball to run into your defender, it is to get around him and it really has to return to that.
Tell Lebron James that
Exactly.
Back in the olden days the foul would be called on the player that initiated contact. These days Giannis can push, shove, elbow and shoulder 4 guys out the way before dunking, then they call a defensive foul on one the guys that got bowled over.
There will always be different foul calling for centers, as it is nearly impossible to play the post without contact. More contact is allowed. @@Schiltzenberger
Commissioner said “y’all can’t play hard in the all star game for me?! I’m going to let the defense eat!”
I'm glad to see the change, but why can't the NBA get consistent with this. Really makes it tough on both offense and defense when you don't know how they are calling games. And to just abruptly change this after the All-Star break is so weird. Did they not see or consider making this change earlier in the season?
What happened was that scoring surge we saw and they knew a change had to be made immediately cause it was just too ridiculous
@@rockett3756 Scoring surge is because noone cares about midseason games and D is played on 50% effort most of the nights
@RobustMustache Consistency has been the problem the whole time and this change shows how inconsistent things are and how much discretion the officials have to impact the outcome of games. Keep in mind, the NBA didn’t change any rules on what constitutes a foul… they just told the officials to officiate differently.
the trae young clip before the ad😂this guy knows what he’s doing
He threw in Caruso too 😂
@@deiondre0and Bron…
Why klay and Caleb Martin tho
and kevin durant
Still entirely too many uncalled travels.
Yup, totally agree 💯
Every possession you can call it, and thats with a gather step, which was added. Guys don't plant the pivot foot, and i guess if no calls i would bend the rules too
And illegal screens
@@suiken3149 really? I think the refs are good on calling illegal on-ball screens, often times I don't think the screen was illegal/moving when they call it. I don't really pay attention to off ball screens though.
@@ChiTownOriginator Warriors made a living with illegal screen
@@melian9999 the gather step is really "gather steps" these days. Players take 4 steps because they changed the definition of planting your pivot. And it's so fucking awkward for someone like myself that was coached without a gather, 3 steps without dribbling = travelling, to even attempt things like that at the park. I so often take off foot layups because I don't want to get called for traveling, and luckily I'm pretty decent with the left hand left foot lay up.
and some fans said hand checking wont matter.
These sample clips clearly showed that offensive players were affected even by a little, even those strong players like Ant.
What more of the flopping players?
Hand checking can affect the post up player, but Ant or Lebron driving to the basket, I can't imagine pushing them not being a foul even in the 90s.
@@Pit_1209 not the push-PUSH but did you see the push/hold by the defender on his hips during his dunk? That affected his air time and even missed the dunk.
Too bad Embild got injured. It would be hilarious seeing him cry for refs not calling his ridiculous fouls....
Yeah, I'm thinking 90s Basketball Kino is on its way back. No more being allowed to carry, no more foul hunting. Refs are going to keep an eye on people trying to bend the rules now and I am all for it.
That’s not 90s basketball only I swear people only think the 90s were the only era
I see what you mean but players were definitely foul baiting in the 90's lol. MJ definitely got 'star' calls and he took advantage of it just like everyone else did. I do agree that they should call more offensive fouls though, since alot of players get away with throwing themselves into defenders on drive.
@@merify3391 No offense, but karate chops on the way down were definitely warranted fouls.
Every Allen Iverson crossover was a carry. Much more than now
@@Sizdothyx Of course but refs had bad calls back then too.
Long over due. Last year and this year have been the worst I’ve seen… as a fan of defense, it was ruining the game
Agreed. The games might as well have been Globetrotters games. I want to see defense again. Get rid of the 3 second rule in the lane too. I prefer the FIBA rules that forces more teamwork and passing to create better shots than one guy dribbling for 15 seconds and everyone standing around. Don't peeps remember the 2014 Spurs offense? Now that was beautiful basketball
That All Star game was such a disgrace. It was like watching the Globetrotters
Nah the Globetrotters at least try to put on a performance.
first they complained they killed defense now they will complain they killed offense💀
😂😂😂😂defense is still trash wtfru talkin bout. They're just allowing the bare minimum of hand checking. Imagine if a defender could post and defend their space properly. Wed see real basketball again.
@@johncrowley3322 What does "defend their space properly" even means? Bring home the lumberjacks?
Someone commented before they watched the video
Did you watch the video?
That nutrafol segment was cold 🤣😂😅
😅😅🏀🏀🧑🦲🧑🦲
not just cold, it's bold and bald !
I'm glad they aren't calling stuff, we need to bring back the physicality of the older days
Physicality is the greatest equalizer it should be apart of the game.
Think about what you are saying. The older days was bad basketball. Unpopular basketball. Everybody talking about "the older days" but very few people today watched basketball in 1995, when it was terrible. We don't cater to old men in this fashion.
Are you high ? @@chiggsytube
90's and early 2000's had the most viewership ever .
@@papifuego5273 ? Physicality is the greatest divider in the game. Skills like ball handling and shooting are the great equalizer.
It's good direction, but it's extremely inconsistent. Now refs went from being stupid to also being blind.
now refs intentionally trying to be blind and blow whistle based off players' reaction. For example, someone clearly got hard fouled under the rim with arm completely grabbing offensive player, no fouls called; but when someone got hit in the face ref saw they are clearly in pain then they blow whistle. I mean, please, establish actual some standard of officiating rather than blowing your random god damn whistle.
Take it further! Stop bailing out bad offense. The travels, the carry’s, foul hunting by jumping into defender.
I like this change in the interpretation of the rules. But it should have been communicated before to the players and the audiences. Now I go and fetch some popcorn while watching LeBrontosaurus play and lament ... :)
Lebron numbers are higher since the break 😮
So players, the rules stay the same but we are actually going to start calling them. No blood, no foul, keep grinding!
Seems like punishment for star players not putting any effort into the all star game. It's beautiful
Rudy is wrong to do that but it was a weirdly officiated game:
First 25min: CLE 3 FT attempts
Last 28min: CLE 33 FT attempts
First 25min: CLE 54poss & shot FT's on 2 of them (4%)
Last 28min: CLE 50poss & shot FT's on 16 of them (32%)
When old NBA heads say this era soft and they couldn't play during handcheck era, this video is proof of it.
Great video man! And awesome decision by the NBA. Thank you for a much needed breakdown coach
It's about time. Players today are so highly skilled, more physically tuned, and have more basketball IQ than ever before making them more adaptable to more contact plays . It definitely makes the NBA more exciting to watch.
Agreed, we are getting closer to a good balance
They're not so highly skill , they're allowed to do more things than before.
Palming the ball, carrying, discontinuing dribbles , travels disguised as gather step
@@matthieusaade3616 Jordan and Iverson were allowed to carry and palm the ball.
I guess they were not as skilled as 60s players.
Your IQ is apparent from simply reading your comments@@matthieusaade3616
@@matthieusaade3616this is big. None of this matters if the offensive player can go everywhere. Dribbling is the balance. Without travel calls basketball is like soccer players being allowed to pick up the ball.
Perfect. Shouldve never been called like it was in the first place.
Scott foster called that foul on rudy from the other side of half court the ither refs should have made that call on rudy and its scott foster that is why rudy was mad and the calls all game seemed to favor the cavs
The NBA has to make their minds up. What are they going to call? Then tell the coaches!😡
Bring back solid basketball
Games are more fluid now without all the whistles. Great offensive players will perform without fouls baiting too
Yep
I don’t mind the adjustment from the refs but my issue with the league doing this is the lack of consistency from ref to ref and transparency from the league. Just inform the teams that they’re not getting those types of calls anymore
Adam silver saw all these 70 point outbursts and said "enough is enough"
Love it. Could not be more happier with this. I have felt this was a problem for a long time. Pace and flow were brutal for a while
Another thing that should be mentioned that I've seen mentioned on other pods is the impending media rights negotiation. There's a large impetus from the NBA's point of view to improve the product now so as to reach a better media deal with potential partners. After seeing the offensive explosion before and during the All Star Game, it's not unfeasible to say the league office wanted to bring scoring down and make the game flow better to broaden the appeal of the league.
Why don't they just tell the players their goals if they want a better game? Surely that would cut down on a lot of frustration and actually lead to players changing their behaviour before a call even needs to be made? It's childish to have a hidden interpretation of the rules that can't be argued against for fear of getting a technical.
I was watching another video in the basketball CZcamsr was complaining that it could be NBA gambling, but I'm glad you refocused my mind, that it is trying to get a better game on the floor! Videos can swing your opinion so much.
05:08 this segment on Rudy Gobert is obviously the whole reason this video was made. Coach’s bias shows for the referees, ignore the title, it’s a misdirection.
Better product but there games rn after the all star break taking 10-15 mins for 3 mins of play at the end of game.
Foul bating is one thing but those nudges to the hips are fouls that aren’t being called. Just call the fouls call all the calls don’t ignore fouls don’t ignore travels or carries call everything.
Focusing on Trae Young when mentioning hair thinning out is diabolical 💀
Just in time for the playoffs. You love to see it.
Hey good vid. Do you guys do a livestream on any other day than Monday on a regular basis?
Just because the refs aren't calling certain stuff doesn't mean it's not a foul.... baiting or not
This is so good. People are fucking tired of players getting bailed out by the refs
Cleaning up foul baiting and give the defensive player legal verticallity back are great, but they need to call the off arm pushing. It not only affects the shot but can also be dangerous depends on the amount of force applied.
Deadass. If defenders are allowed to push offensive players while theyre shooting then wtf is a shooting foul?
They didnt think all of this through
Im liking what im seeing, physicality is part of the game, you never call some of those fouls when you are playing ball in the playground, you learn to score despite contact, and that is much more exciting to watch then having the game stop every time on ticky tac fouls. I think we all played with that guy on the playground that would call those ticky tac fouls that they created by running into you all game long and everyone just throws up their arms and rolls their eyes every time the guy yells foul, its horrible to play with and horrible to watch.
I think it’s not surprising Jalen Brunson and Jaylen Brown have been thriving. Those dudes are such tanks, mentally AND physically, I think it actually benefits them to have the refs let them bang their way to the hoop. Dudes literally bounce off them sometimes
Ya but it’s frustrating sometimes.The refs are still entirely too inconsistent with the calls and players are confused.They miss a lot of blatant fouls but then randomly start calling soft touch fouls for stretches.
this call change might bring back some mid-range games. i hope we can see more variety in skills not just 3s and driving for fouls.
Banger video, wonder if ESPN or NBA Media talk openly about this
Good. We dont want to see a FT fest
Luka is "notorious for his foul hunting", huh? The same guy that has the highest PPG since the merger if you exclude FTs? Sick job buddy, you got him!
Small but good change.
Don't imagine the NBA will be changing the death of the travel call and carrying.
People were saying refs were manipulating the games because of foul and call *inconsistency.* Not because of high scores / foul baiting.
Crazy how Shai wasnt mentioned once in this. Not a single clip
He's basically makes living of these 50/50 calls
I like what they are doing right now. This will stop players crying for foul..
they need to be strict with ball carry (palming the ball)
That Nutrafol ad was something else 😂
I saw what you did at the end, perfect coach
Good video coach. As a Wolves fan im a little biased. In that Cavs-Wolved game, Jarrrt freakin Allen shot 22 fts!!!! I think that was also boiling under Ant amd Gobert. He was getting a lot of calls im his favor and shot nearly as much FTs as the Wolves by himself.
Point inflation has literally made me stop watching the games. I start watching at the Conference Finals.
Say what you will about older eras, but points haven't been this cheap since the sixties.
Definitely a needed a change
we done with the 20s
how refs killed shitty offense more like it
Trae Young catching strays on the ad intro hahahaha
Im glad the refs are swallowing the whistles. The All Star game made Silver furious and rightfully so. Even if its an exhibition game the game was comical. Might as well be a Globetrotters game. The next thing is enforcing carrying/palming the ball
All this sneaky grab-ass judo stuff has been a core discipline in NBA defense for as long as I can remember. The state of the art is more subtle than ever. Happens on offense too. Watch Embiid in the low post, he can hip-check a big defender right off the court and make it look like nothing. "IDK, that huge guy just went flying, so weird." It's not just size, either, it's a whole wrestling match down there.
5:46 I really appreciate that the ref told Ant why there wasn't a call instead of giving him the cold shoulder, like most refs. We need more of that type of communication between players and refs, instead of refs calling techs every time a player breathes in a manner they dislike
In other words, some balance is restored.
Good! Keep it that way -A happy Knick fan
Hand checking is not solving foul hunting. It essentially replaces one problem with a different one. Things are pretty stupid. Dont allow hand checking because it bails out bad defence but also dont reward the players who are driving and charging to an opponents torso.
Good point tbh
Completely agree! Btw it was funny to see unathletic George niang defend correctly in a couple of clips
Honestly, I think most people missed the point of Rudy's money symbol to the ref. It's not "you're betting on the game" it's "you're getting paid to keep it close or get them the win etc"
Coach, how can you make such a fantastic breakdown where nearly every clip has me nodding my head, yet give it a godawful title?
Btw hats off for showing the inner trae young that doncic possesses and the inner harden in brunson.
Nah, the refs will obviously miss some calls, but overall it's been long overdue. Too many ridiculous foul calls, every game.
This is a great change. As a defensive focused player myself, having that bent arm down to protect the body when the offensive player is throwing a shoulder to try to create space is critical to cushion and avoid the defender getting cracked ribs. So long as the defensive player isn't significantly shoving them on the ground or initiating significant contact after the offensive player has gone airborne (e.g. to throw them off balance, rather than to cushion their own torso when the offensive player leaps at them), then this should be a no-call. The goal of having foul calls is to minimize injuries, while allowing the maximum intensity of play that isn't likely to cause injury. That's best accomplished by not calling reflexive actions to protect one's own body when the other person is the one initiating or dramatically intensifying contact.
I’m glad the league is actually giving defenses a fighting chance,
Finally !!!! I noticed it during the mavs vs nuggets game
I’m just glad I’m not the only one who noticed the recent trend of low scoring games
yo that hair ad he did was sick lmao
I think it would be interesting to find out if the lower scoring games this season have significantly less points from free throws than the higher scoring games, or if theres no correlation
showing trae when he said hair thinning 😂😂
Hey Coach. On CZcams there’s about an hour long interview w the ref who got arrested for gambling.
If you watch that you can get a lot of insight into how the nba instructs the refs (prioritizing players/ teams)
I am a fan. However, a push on the hip on an airborne player should still be called. That is a potentially dangerous play. Slaps on the arms are still shootingfouls and we did just see an example of such a play not being called.
Yeah, get rid of some of the stuff where offensive players initiate the contact, but an arm on the hip in the air is no good. I like if they allow it while in the ground to better be able to follow the player they are guarding
Wow it’s almost like the nba allowed teams to play defense.
This is what I have been trying to explain to people who think the changes in officiating over the years just boils down to simply hand checking.
It isn't just hand checking.
Offenses were being rewarded for cheap tactics when the defenders were using their hands or arms at all.
The offense could just throw their arms into defenders: rip-throughs, intentionally locking defenders' arms, jumping back into defenders behind them after pinning them (though it seems they put a stop to that last year).
Even if they let guys hand check, (and sometimes they do or just miss it happening) it was mostly pointless and just generally risky because offensive players could initiate contact and get a call regardless.
Hand checking has it's benefits for defenders, but when the offense can just jump into you or throw their arms at your arms, it's impossible to even casually put your hands out.
When foul-baiting is too easy for the offenses to exploit like that, defenders can't even put their arms where near the offense.
And that's not really even getting into other advantages that offenses currently get: more leniency on travels when catching the ball or gathering/euro-steps, more leniency on dribbling rules (although they started clamping down on that last year) and, of course, defensive 3-seconds.
Teams have all figured out the 3pt vs long2s efficiency and spacing hacks.
As a result, offensive spacing is more appropriately implemented by everyone across the league and defenses are generally more spread out.
It really makes it feel like a lot of these rule/interpretation-related offensive advantages are kind of antiquated now.
Offensive strategies have moved beyond the slow-paced, cramped offenses of the early-mid 2000s that sparked all these offense-benefiting rules/interpretations in the first place.
that NUTRAFOL ad 🤣🤣🤣
Im all for it 🙌 Bring back defense
I noticed this as well and i like the games better now
Am I the only one trying to predict when the ad is gonna pop up? 😂
Never been happier.
If I see one more offensive player initiate contact then turn into a pretzel and get two shots for it then I might’ve put two shots in myself fr 😩
I think the focus should be that offensive players shouldn’t bank on getting foul calls to score, or maybe rely on less. Foul calls should be a punishment for bad defense, not an incentive for the offense.
Nice ending!
The traveling and carrying completely changed the game. Along with the prevalence of threes and layups/dunks.
Coach outta pocket for the whole hair ad
Finally players start actually shooting the ball not flopping and complaining about non calls like the lakers
I don’t mind embellishing fouls when u attack aggressively in the paint. But actively seeking fouls in jumpers/ floaters wit minimal contact
..until the start of next season when FTAs, fouls, and PPG are even higher than they were before these changes. Just like every other time they've briefly enforced points of emphasis that benefited defense.
You’re wrong for the selection of players in the background for your hair growth ad 😂
Such a good move I didn't think the NBA had enough dignity to actually do something good with their officiating.