Karen Read Trial Day 12 RECAP - Dog DNA, Doctored Texts?? | LAWYER EXPLAINS
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- This is the Recap for Day 12 of the trial of MA v. Karen Read.
Primer Video on the Background of This Case: • Who REALLY Murdered Jo...
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Day 12 MORNING: czcams.com/users/liveBiU3tKaPoWg?...
Day 12 AFTERNOON: • LIVE: Karen Read Trial...
Day 13: czcams.com/users/liveyY1RDbxCLh0?...
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
0:21 State's Witness No. 31 - Julianna (Julie) Nagel, Cont'd.
1:08 State's Witness No. 32 - Teri Kun (Expert - UC Davis Veterinary Lab)
5:19 State's Witnesses No. 33, 34, & 35 - Ryan Nagel, Heather Maxon, Richard D'Antuono
10:40 State's Witness No. 36 - Allison McCabe
20:28 State's Witness No. 37 - Colin Albert
22:35 What Do YOU Think?
CONTEXT:
On the morning of January 29, 2022, John O'Keefe's body was found on a snow plow in front of the home of fellow police officer Brian Albert. The night before, he had gone to a bar with his girlfriend, Karen Read, as well as some friends and acquaintances, including Brian. Not long after, Karen was charged with John's murder, but her defense alleges that she is being framed by the group of people who met up at Brian's home after the bar closed. Trial begins Tuesday, April 16, 2024 with jury selection.
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OMG they found pig DNA outside a house full of cops…
Needed this😂
I feel offended on behalf of kind, intelligent, piggies. But still funny af😂
😂😂😂 your comment needs to be pinned!
Yep. Not lost on us. A blob?
Someone had eaten a BLT sandwich while drinking from a Red Solo cup
The red solo cup song needs to be the theme song for this whole case...
they are getting so much free advertisement
Is there such a song?
man someone must have taken her phone and driven it around or she’s got amnesia like the rest of the prosecutions witnesses
Do you mean cross-examnesia? Symptoms include precise knowledge of the exact size of a black blob on a snowy ground through snowfall and drunkenness on direct, while barely remembering if you were even there that night on cross...
Here's a theory, what if she was with John driving around and her BF found out and was the one that killed him.
@@davidbowser3181 ooohhh I like it
Well they all remember 00:10 alright despite every other video showing otherwise.
Tbf, could be machine error, like triangulation tower error, but she could also be lying.
Suddenly, Ali doesn't remember what she did after 12:30 but remembered everything up until 12:10, very suspicious, she didn't say no, said she's not sure
There is ZERO chance that I (or any reasonable person) could convict within a reasonable doubt at this point. None of the stories match up, so much shady inter-workings and the ridiculous handling of evidence is truly a peek into this clown show of an investigation! And the defense hasn’t even started yet. If this is the prosecutions best evidence/witness’/ case then so far no juror can vote guilty…or the corruption is even deeper than anyone dreamt.
I really, really really hope that the truth comes out… for the victim, for the actual innocent people and for everyone that loved and cared about John, but most of all for John . Never mind those poor children that have endured an unbelievable amount of loss in their short lives. 😔🙏🏼❤️
Wait!
Until we get to the Idaho4 trial.
Corruption is spreading worse than a virus across the US.
Definitely agree at this point. And if prosecution is holding the good stuff for later I'm really getting irritated with them. You can see his timeline he's showing witnesses and the dog expert is "out of order". My question is was she told this was the time so she arranged her schedule and this is when she was supposed to testify and they are this far behind?!? Hoping it's just from jury issues in beginning.
So frustrating. I hope they all are secretly being investigated and get caught
The red solo cups, leaf blower and the late questioning of the witnesses have tainted the investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that John O’Keefe’s shirt was wrapped in butcher paper, stored in the Pizza Parlour’s fridge next to the ham and bacon bits.
Right? And if there is kot evidence of where the shirt was swabbed it's like ok. But even if it was in the right spot, and chain of custody was flawless and even not touched by Proctor or Lanke - no dog DNA can mean the shirt was off or sleeves were up when dog bit his arm...wouldn't you swab the arm and submit that too?
It sounds like the witnesses that testified that they saw the black SUV supports the defense. There was no fighting or screaming and no one was seen getting out of it. At this point, I still have a lot doubt in the prosecution's case and all of the testimony seems to be off along with their evidence and how that was handled.
Is it me or is fairview road the busiest street in america this night.
It’s also the road with the most snow in Boston it seems ,
@@francescawilliams8177lol, all year long probably.
Both right!
It’s the ONLY place where snow falls in Mass hence WHY everyone rushes there when it snows.
The people at the Waterfall were eating loaded potato skins (this came out earlier in trial). My theory is that the pig DNA came from the bacon bits in those potato skins. It could be innocent-someone eating the bacon and then touching John as they were at the bar together. Or it could be from carrying his body out of the house. Either way, this evidence doesn’t do anything to help the prosecution. They really thought they did something by being able to show that there was not dog DNA in the sample, but they actually just made things worse.
Was the content of John’s stomach analyze? That could be very telling if he had ingested something served at the Albert’s home.
They should have obtained the DNA swabs from the injuries, especially the arm.
I thought the same: pig dna.
I could see a lot of issues "proving" that. I believe defense's theory is he was there and like immediately went into basement (that's how many others in house didn't see him). And either messing around turned to fighting or intent to fight him and teach a lesson (or Colin did??) happened pretty quickly then then put him outside after everyone left.
1) the screenshot is altered because there is no new date stamp before the first text is sent on 1/29 at 12:10 am
2) this (altered) screenshot was taken in 2023 because all the date stamps indicate the prior year (2022). iphone only does this when texts are sent in a prior year and not the current year.
3) alluding to 2), this screenshot was taken on Ally’s new phone she acquired in december 2022.
Whoa yeah, good catches! I think your first point is the biggest here, that would mean the image was spliced.
I would question why she even took this screenshot of a text exchange from this night.
I found it . For someone she claimed had no relevance to the events of that night , she went out of her way to keep texts for just that particular occasion and didn’t talk to him until 20 days later.
@sandradugan the same question!
@@Sir_Psych it doesn't necessarily mean it's spliced, it means it's fake/altered. It's so easy to create fake text conversations, or to photoshop existing conversations.
@LegalBytes thank u so much for such great recaps while keeping it all wrapped up in easily digestible segments! You're the best coverage I've found on YT ❤
Sign me up for the docuseries version if the trial ever ends
Agree about John not being seen helps defense.
The girl in the car saw a male in the passenger. The car behind them. We know he’s there. He sat out front for 10 mins. Right at the time of this speedy reverse, his phone say on the yard underneath him. It’s not looking good for Karen.
@@stevenprice6957 what?
@@katherinedinwiddie4526What do you mean what? As 2 cars are heading to 34 Fairview, one lets the other go first at an intersection. That is Karen’s car. The female in the other car said she saw a female driver and a male passenger. She didn’t know them or the people at 34 Fairview. Then both cars stopped at the same address. You with me? John is in that car as his phone and her phone tells us that. That’s coming. Her car data tells us that too. Those 3 people that sat there for a few minutes while the sister walked out to them said they saw no one step outside of that car. Meaning John is still in the passenger. His phone shows he didn’t move at that time. One of Karen’s story’s was she said she dropped him off watched him go inside then sat out front for 10 mins. We know that’s a lie as his phone tells the story and so did 3 people behind that car. The 2 men in the front seat didn’t see a passenger but the driver was driving and the front passenger said he just saw a female as they passed. He didn’t say there couldn’t be a passenger, he said he just saw king hair and a lady with hands at the wheel. They go and drive home. Karen moved metres up twice. Then her car data shows she reversed at high speed minutes later. Then John’s phone which is under his body doesn’t move. So she hit him. Then let him die. Do you understand that.
@@stevenprice6957 nope
@@stevenprice6957BASIC LOGIC!
How fast do you need to drive to knock someone down? How many feet do you need to reach that speed?
Huge damage on victim YET only a “busted tail light”??? No damages on the bumper? No marks on the fender?
BTW they car manufacturer ALREADY stated those tail lights are not just plastic, some composite;
they can sustain strong impacts.
NOTHING supports their theory.
NONE of those has been explained so far.
Is it normal for the judge to reask a question instead of saying "overruled" and letting the attorney ask it again?
I no longer expect the 'normal' out of this trial. Lol. I DO feel better being a Southerner & realizing there are other areas of the USA with a 'Good Old Boy' mentality.
@@Bess9779Good ole boy is everywhere, it just looks different from place to place. Where I grew up in MA, you were an outsider if you weren’t irish, italian, or catholic. That might be different the town over where it’s polish or portuguese.
Ma State Troopers have been in the news over the years for falsifying OT pay or not paying tolls. There’s cliques inside of cliques or who can get paid to look away by mafia or who knows what. There’s always a club, it just looks different….
I remember Judge A helping "coach" Elaine like this, but others have not. So no, not every judge, but some do. From my perspective she does it evenly for CW vs Defense.
If life360 is said to be inaccurate that is not good for the people who use it with confidence. Her body language changed too while answering these questions. Very suspect. Then she breaks down.hmmmmm suspect again. What are they hiding I wonder.🤨
I thought the same. What’s the use of an app that won’t show where my lives one is to a metre? Isn’t it mainly for emergency?
The fact that she was “home” but not on Wifi apparently makes me more suspicious of the story than anything
@@sallycinnamon5370I don't believe them at all but I have to shut my wifi or service off bc my phone will actually toggle between the two, and not send texts or receive calls. If I only have one or the other turned on, there is no problem.
@@sallycinnamon5370VPN?????? 🤔 I can use that to make work network think my laptop is there so I can use that printer etc. Pretty awesome but yeah.
What AREN'T they hiding? That seems like it'd be a much shorter list at this point
This girl lying on the stand about her location… Why don’t they charge these people with perjury?
I’m confused as to how witnesses have seen John in the car but he like disappeared into thin air?
🙏 Thank-you! I live for these updates!
Living for your recaps!!!
Texted myself the same way as I saw those screen shots and they don’t make sense at all and what’s that comma in the time ?
see my comment above (or below idk lol)
They're obviously (poorly) faked
Turning on wifi and off wifi doesnt change your location accuracy.
I will say as a Pokemon Go player, I does to some degree. While in the basement of my home, if I'm on cell data then my location pings around the neighbourhood and if I turn on wifi my location mostly remains static. However with that said, the most my location would change on cell data is it'll run a range of about a few house, not miles away.
Teleport WiFis!
I want one!!!
😂😂😂
There’s too many convenient coincidences with the evidence.
And too many convenient amnesia
@@BeneSkywalker cross examnesia
I don't remember.. can't recall.. wasn't me...
@@justjoy143 The 'problem' with this strategy is that's a gamble. If the other side manages to prove anything they didn't remember now they "can't" refute. And if they do refute it's the same, their credibility is already destroyed
You mean "evidence"
The only problem with Life 360 is it will say you are at a location because it pings a business in the bubble and you won't actually be at that location but near it. That happens to us all the time.
Thank you for these recaps.
All this makes me a little jealous of all these friends and family get togethers haha
Thanks for the coverage @legalbytes ! Any chance you can upload in Spotify too? Love listening to your live/videos while walking/gym
I missed that Miss Kun was entered as an expert... I thought she was just entered as someone who had performed some testing, and happens to have a masters. But then, I can hardly hear a word Lally says, I just sit and hope defence explains who the prosecution's witnesses are 😂
I think they admitted the expert witnesses in pretrial motions/hearings. That’s not uncommon, since it helps to speed trial along
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense
Or the pork could be from pepperoni from d&e pizza?
John didn't go to D&E though...
@@mrs.g.35 but if he was punched by someone who did... Still it's a bit of a stretch. Not out of possibility but it has nearly the same level of unlikely chance as the dog having pig DNA on it's claws from it's dog food, again not out of the question, but requires some specific circumstances, like for the person to have not washed their hands very well the entire time.
A 12 mile drive in 2 minutes seems unlikely. She would have to have driven at 360 mph
That of they made a really, really large bubble for both the home and highschool locations... I agree this particular point seems more like a fluke, but then again while she was "home" she apparently wasn't on WiFi until later on when the data showed her "actually" getting home.
About that pig DNA. What kind of snacks were in the house that evening / morning?
Pig ear treats for the dog
Didn’t someone say the other day, that they were eating potato skins at the bar?
Arn’t there usually bacon on those?
Heard on EDB that if the shirt was placed in a Shop and Save bag that previously had groceries inside then the pig DNA could have come from there
There hasn’t been any evidence that Karen showed the kind of rage you might expect for someone to run over their significant other. That with the poor investigation by the police, I would not find her guilty.
She's absolutely guilty. No one else.
@@sandscorcher3332 Frankly, that's irrelevant. The State cannot prove it; the jury must acquit her. At least, based on the evidence presented so far.
@@sandscorcher3332I’m waiting for someone to convince me that she hit him at 12:30-12:45 at night when the snows just started falling but then he ended up on top of inches of snow that they had to leaf blow away.
Because I am not seeing it.
I heard they had a guy come over to plow the snow at around 2:30 and he did not see the body at that time
Plus GPS and a camera show Karen at home at 12:41. The timeline, It is so tight it is hard to blame her
Karen Read in that town most have been the equivalent of Miss Universe (just saying).
There really should be an expert to testify in terms of determining range, accuracy and all features/settings of Life360. Thus far, the prosecution appears to be a little thin on the expert front. The animal DNA expert was impressive, but even her test results are only as good as the samples she was sent. No one needs a reminder of those red Solo cups, the Stop & Shop paper bag and of course that delicate and technical tool...the leaf blower regarding local forensics standards.😉
Their foggy memory is getting to me.
All this underage drinking by cop kids. Wild culture.
Omg was the fire alarm that went off false alarm? WAs everyone okay? Had to rewind the video a little bit cus I was too caught up with you guys' safety for the next few seconds 😅
Colin also said that also Allie picked him up to take him to the Albert's house
Wait, so if someone came out and talked to them in suv in driveway then WHY did they not notice if he NEVER made it inside? And didnt that person notice they still weren’t fighting??
So her life 360 correctly describes everything she had explained beforehand but after a certain point denies everything after. What the fuck
I also thought the screenshot was super suspicious because iPhones note the date and time a text was sent, and so it *would have* put in a date and time change in between the text at 11:55pm and the next 12:10am text…
I really liked Allison. However, didn't her Dad then testify he was a knowledgeable computer guy as a career? When so many people are related or close friends, they probably would be prone to protect each other.
The dad is a cop, Brain Albert jr, his son, is in IT field though
There are going to be movies made about this trial.
the APP sales will now have a slow download month. Time for an upgrade.
I guess Life360 is fairly accurate but it depends on where you are and if you’re in a tower/satellite accessible area. Basically the same as just about every gps on a regular phone. But I doubt it would say that you traveled around without you traveling around. I think the errors would be the exact opposite. Like not pinging your location in a remote area.
She didn't anticipate:Defence 2actually find that out,hence the(l'll prob start crying)She makes a good actress(the type that can cry)at a drop hat,bravo
Isn’t it possible that he was dropped off and hit by some other car driving by?
Why would food be a common thing for Veterinary labs to test?
From the testimony, it sounded like they actually most often test for food contamination issues, which would include cross-contamination of DNA of different animal foods.
Life 360 does make mistakes on locations.
Yeah our family used it when our kids were young. It was never wrong.
I really wish we had more information on how this works. I could imagine it being slightly off like getting the location across the street from where you actually are or maybe the times not syncing up perfectly but it can't just be making stuff up though... right? just totally adding random things in there?! how much different can it be?! she is denying entire sections of movement. I am genuinely asking I find this whole thing so odd. 😅
@potatopirate5557 it's a great question and critical thinking! I'd recommend looking up how location services works.
@@lborate3543 I tried, but everything I've found only supports what I presumed about how it works and how that accuracy can be impacted. I still don't have more than a basic understanding of the broad strokes but essentially, everything adds up to- modern cellular GPS is highly accurate, around 99%. This accuracy can be negatively impacted by things that interfere with satellite transmission like buildings and bad weather. However, the accuracy is also bolstered by wi-fi and tower connections. So as I said, the speed being slightly off, the time being slightly off, even the location being slightly off- as in showing the address next door instead of the address you're actually in, etc.- are possible but I haven't seen anything that explains how it made up entire sections of travel which she denies. Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something. This case is frying my brain. 😅
@@potatopirate5557I would absolutely believe small errors.
12 mile drives. I don’t think so. A 17 year old not using the wifi at home? I think not.
I thought she said that they did find inhibitors
Free KR don’t believe your lying eyes and ears
Let's get one thing straight, pretty much everyone at 34 Fair View on January 28-29 was likely very drunk. All of this talk of whether this person or that person was drunk just seems silly to me. Julie Nagel was probably one of the most drunk people there as she had been drinking for about 6-7 hours by the end of the night and she couldn't even keep a straight face when asked about her intoxication level by Yanetti on cross. She was obviously hammered that night. The only person who might not have been drunk that night would've been Matt McCabe. These people are clearly alcoholics who like to get drunk. I'm not judging them for that; I was a wicked bad alcoholic myself for about 15 years and I know that people who like to get drunk like to be around other people who also like to get drunk and people who don't like to get drunk, tend to avoid drunk people.
That being said, some people like to get more drunk than others and it is possible that Matt McCabe either didn't drink at all or limited his consumption and stopped drinking early on that night so he could be the designated driver. But it doesn't seem like any of these people really cared about drinking and driving despite the fact that they were all either police officers or were in the presence of police officers. I think Karen Read was likely very drunk too, especially based on how small she is and the fact that she may have also been on Xanax which would increase her level of intoxication and explain her amnesia when she woke up and realized John hadn't returned home but she may have also continued drinking by herself when she got back to John's house around 12:45-1:00 am.
I still don't understand what the Common Wealth is trying to claim happened here though. Karen and John arrive at 34 Fair View and begin to argue, eventually John exits the vehicle presumably to go into the Albert's residence but rather than walking into the house, John just stands on the side of the road (doing God knows what) as Karen pulls away, then Karen suddenly stops the car, slams it into reverse, and accelerates towards John until she hits him and he just stands there the whole time until the SUV plows into him? That's the Common Wealth's theory? I'm sorry but that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would John just stand on the side of the road after exiting the vehicle and why wouldn't he move out of the way when he saw it speeding backwards towards him?
And how in God's name would no one have seen John's body laying on the lawn as they passed by exactly where he was laying? There would've been no fewer than 25 distinct opportunities to see John's body between at least 11 different witnesses and yet not one of them saw anything except Julie Nagel who supposedly saw a black blob but never told anyone about it for months after the incident. Sorry, not buying it. Especially when you combine all of the other weird anomalies and highly suspicious "coincidences". I don't believe John's body was laying on that lawn until sometime after 2:30 am on January 29th, 2022. Something is rotten in Denmark and it's coming from the Albert clique, Canton PD, Mass State Police, and the D.A.'s Office. And I hope and pray we eventually get to the bottom of it.
God bless.
Refreshing?
Allie lied, period...
Mi take?
This was an accidental death caused by one or more of the kids.
And the parents stepped in to cover from them, thereby creating this shi+sho+ of messed up case…
Mistrial is their goal.
This case is a 💩 sammich so far.
The pig dna was probably on the dog's paws
He ate pork chops.
Naaah! Dog had pepperoni pizza for dinner.
Pig dog? Another reason why dog was re-homed🙀
Strange, taking a screen shot of one part of a conversation, why ? An alibi ? Hmmmm and not providing it to police seems weird
Does anyone know if there is a significant camp of people who believe she is guilty? Everything I see seems to think innocent
Yellow cottage tales on CZcams. It's a very small group. There is even a retired fbi agent who goes on. She was the one caught trespassing on the Albert's property after they sold it. The new homeowners doorbell cam caught her walking up to the front door, take pictures of the front lawn, then literally scurrying away.
@@ThomasJones-ij6hvand that proves what???
Wouldn’t you be doing your best to work on or verify our alibi? Wouldn’t you attempt to go there to find OTHER EVIDENCE in case you’re being FRAMED?
I certainly would.
NOPE! When even MSM or CZcams’s “Legacy tubers” jump in, you know only 3 people may disagree. Oh wait! How many “witnesses” were in that house? That many “believers”.
@900108Chale wtf you talking about?. Prove anything? Work on your reading comprehension for christ sake.
The poster asked if there was a camp who believes Karen is guilty. I answered a question. Anything else you get out of that is your assumption.
Also most of those were quite young 2drink,while still in sch....
Yes. The legal age for alcohol in Massachusetts is 21. Those under that age were breaking the law.
THERE WERE NO TEARS
I think she is legitimately traumatized by this case. I don't think anyone that night was thinking "I should pay attention to times and details".
There are never tears from Karen. She's absolutely cold.
Been a couple of years....and her life is on the line
@@sandscorcher3332 isn't she the one who tried to do CPR?
Not Karen. There were no tears coming from Allie McCabe, a witness for the procescution.
So pig DNA like that of maybe an animal treat that a dog could have been eating hmmmm
Alternate theory on Colin and Allison: Perhaps they fooled around that night? That could explain the awkwardness, the silence about each other, and the additional time spent together that is otherwise unexplained even if they have nothing to do with the other big thing that happened. If that is what happened I feel like they should just come out and say it and get it over with though.
I’m thinking they probably were smoking or something. I could see them never being able to tell the truth about that due to cop family and reputation.
I asked myself the same thing , what could be worse than being suspected of murder? They are willing to gamble on that rather than admit he left later or earlier and where he was. Does that library near her way home have video surveillance footage?
@@SewFloSewinghe was drinking underaged at a cops house. Pretty sure a kid smoking literally anything is less scandalous that a murder suspicion
@@sallycinnamon5370 I meant that I can see them not wanting to admit it publicly.
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For the record Allison is not Colin’s cousin. She is cousin of the 34 fairview home on their mother side. And colin from the father side. Does ir matter? Idk.. at this point we know nothing. Also 8 think she was genuine and not evasive like many others witnesses… still Whatever happened that day the harassment and horrible attacks are not ok specially to the kids of those involved.
Even if they were involved directly or indirectly in covering up a murder?
Actually she seemed genuine,till then but otherwise*
Crocodile tears......
Anyways they seem 2hav"good examples cos adults were bar-hopping n quite sure they drank at home(while entertaini
Life 360 is accurate
I'm on the side that the prosecution has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt......but I will say I have 2 daughters, one of which always has her phone on battery saver mode...... that affects life 360 accuracy
Some versions of ios have the comma. This is insanity though as you have around 10 people saying JOK never entered the home and evidence Colin was not at the home the same time. It's disgusting how people are trying to claim minors/teenagers are murders without any evidence indicating as such.
I've not seen anything saying someone un-alived john at all. On either side.
@@lborate3543I've only seen Karen to be the one accused of anything.
Lol what version of iOS has the comma?
Oh my gosh I watched a ton of videos on this case and I have never seen anyone call those young people murderers 😂 but what I have seen is everyone seems to believe that they are part of the cover-up in our covering for their aunts their uncles their parents etc
I've watched a ton of videos on this case and never seen one comment Calling those young children murderers, what I have seen is they are trying to show that these young people are complicate in trying to cover up for their parents and their aunts and uncles...
I really liked Allison. However, didn't her Dad then testify he was a knowledgeable computer guy as a career? When so many people are related or close friends, they probably would be prone to protect each other.
Sorry! It’s one of the witnesses I felt was hiding the most. Convenient “Time-lapses” in her memory.
@@900108Chale I agree. She just reminded me of Ali McGraw & I liked her. Lol.