Karen Read Trial Day 13 RECAP - Colin Albert's Knuckle Problem | LAWYER EXPLAINS
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- This is the Recap for Day 13 of the trial of MA v. Karen Read.
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
0:26 Defense's Request to Review "Harassment" Evidence
3:41 State's Witness No. 37 - Colin Albert (Cont'd.)
24:40 State's Witness No. 38 - Matthew McCabe
30:56 What Do YOU Think?
CONTEXT:
On the morning of January 29, 2022, John O'Keefe's body was found on a snow plow in front of the home of fellow police officer Brian Albert. The night before, he had gone to a bar with his girlfriend, Karen Read, as well as some friends and acquaintances, including Brian. Not long after, Karen was charged with John's murder, but her defense alleges that she is being framed by the group of people who met up at Brian's home after the bar closed. Trial begins Tuesday, April 16, 2024 with jury selection.
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I live in MA close by where all this happened. I am so glad that world is seeing allbthis play out. We've been screaming from the rooftops about how corrupt and wrong this prosecution is. Karen Read was framed and she could be any one of us.
It’s so validating how the world is seeing this finally!!! I grew up in Norton, figure skated in Norwood til last year, and live in RI a town away from the mass line. This case feels real to me in a way that other high profile trials don’t, just from having experienced the culture of that area for so long, but also the local news has been talking about the case well before the national media got into it. It got so ugly locally pre-trial!!
I love the defense exasperated "Seriously?!!?"
I think he knows the prosecutor would object BUT you cannot take it off the jury minds. I think that was the purpose of it
It was a pretty ridiculous story
I watched it, no joke, 10 or more times laughing everytime! I think Alan did a really good job with his cross, he called out the obvious "I don't remembers" and I feel like after that actually got some answers out of Colin (not right after), he didn't stay with his cross examnesia like Tristan did. But at the end of all this, I'm like why are you fighting all this so much? What are you hiding Colin? Or why are you so caustic? What did KR or JOK do to you? Which maybe is the question. If this family doesn't have guilty knowledge then what is going on??
That was the best! 😂
The defence have made a better case for John O being beaten, than the prosecution have for being hit by a vehicle, thus far
Unless the defendant backed her car up at 150mph….to shatter a tail light like that.
@@laurenurban3942150 mph? Wtf stupidity logic is that? 🤣🤣🤣
@@MegaJordan1980 Exactly, that's why the prosecution theory is more absurd than the beating theory
@@Arthur_King_of_the_Britons don't forget the dog bites that aren't dog bites and the fact everyone in Canton is covering up murder because, reasons?
I mean the defense shown that a paramedic was on track with her and at social gatherings. They're best friends that would cover up murder along with convincing other paramedics too because, reasons? Then there's a teenager talking trash to a hockey team. Thar never happens and makes him the strongest kid in town that beats everyone up because, words? Also, even though Jens testimony lines up with Karen she is obviously lying no matter what because of, reasons?
@@laurenurban3942The light is heavy plastic and doesn’t shatter into a million pieces like glass. She couldn’t control the car, flooring it in reverse in the snow. John had a rectangular hole in the back of his head, which could not have happened, in a car accident, with almost no damage to the car.
You don't have to talk about it if you know John was never in the house. You don't have to be cagey about your answers if you have done nothing wrong. You wouldn't remember everything when the prosecutor asks and remembers nothing when the defense asks.
I'm thinking, "If you see odd tire tracks, but don't see a man lying in the snow, those are two very different, unrelated incidents.
Yeah that stood out to me. If the dusting of snow was distinct enough to notice tire tracks, certainly a body nearby those tire tracks would have been pretty obvious.
One would think.
And there is no way that bumping into him while turning at a slow rate of speed would have caused the injuries he had.
Not to mention the plow driver who was interviewed by the FBI as saying when he went by the house at 2:30 there was NO BODY on the lawn
@@hockeytalk6084where is this at?
His story of how he injured his knuckle is SO suspicious. The way it was perfectly recited is suspect 🤨
Especially when he could barely remember anything else he didn’t want to admit to
Probably too much alcohol to clearly recall anything.
It’s a lie. Let’s call it what it is
It's because it's physically impossible. Lol
You don't land on your fist, instinctively go for padded palm instead of bone
I’m starting to believe the defenses theory. The lack of evidence so far in this case blows my mind. What little evidence the prosecution has is all tainted by the collection , preservation, contamination and lack of chain of custody. There’s no way we get to a guilty verdict
This kid is awful. I’d be mortified if one of my boys acted that way on the stand. He’s clearly defensive and has a chip on his shoulder.
the whole family is defensive on the stand. definitely hiding something. i feel if they had nothing to hide everyone's demeanor would be different.helpful, cooperative, even pleasant.
Total Cop Kid! Daddy will protect him.
I looked for pictures on Turtleboy's website and so many of their pix,INCLUDING family pix w the parents, is all of them flipping the bird! Like it's the family crest or something. There's something wrong w their maturity, credibility, IQs...
Colin Albert gave off american psycho vibes. the police conspiracy theory seemed weird pre-trial but each albert just makes it seem more and more likely except for the one that was cooperative, the rest were all dishonest snakes bordering on lying or just acting smug repeating i don't remember i don't remember.
@@miaknig3130I love how you mentioned 🐢 boy and then talked about maturity 🤣🤣🤣
The guy constantly threatening witnesses and making self love videos is your source of maturity. The guy Karen paid to spread propaganda 🤣🤣🤣
Why the judge cannot say over-ruled to the prosecution's objections is mind boggling.
It only plays into that conspiracy….even the judge is in on it. I believe it because this whole trial is unbelievable! I can’t believe this is happening in America….right now.
The way she's says..I'll give him that".... not only annoys me but she's comes across so unprofessional and too pally pally with Lally how she replies to him.
@@nicoljane3083 Agree. I notice she says "I'll give HIM that" about the defense but "I'll allow IT" for the prosecution.
Judge's brother defended Albert for DWI death & got him off‼️- Biased & conflict of interest ‼️They call her "Aunt Bev"
.she appears bias and corrupt.
2nd guy admitted to having 5 or 6 drinks were they all drunk driving to and from the party??
I've heard somewhere that whatever ppl tell cops or authorities is not the actual number but add 3 more is a good estimation (or something like that). So far checks out.
Yes.
Right ? Even the kids apparently wasn’t Colin like 17 then?
I’m a nurse and I have worked in ER. Yes, it is a reflex to stop your fall with the palm of your hand. This is how we line up the story with the injury.
Anyone notice no one cried for John, no one cried for his mother, no one cried for his children, who had already lost so much, but Allison, the 1st person to cry on the stand, cried for herself... she cried only because her friend was harassed, over how it affected her... that would be in the closing statements if it was my case, those exact words
I love the parks and rec clip every time something is suspicious 😂🤣😂
I have a very specific fall with similar injuries. I was tipsy. I was dog sitting my bosses house and his two Newfoundlands. When I took them out to tinkle, one took off and dragged me on the sidewalk. It ripped up the back of my hand holding the leash, and destroyed my engagement ring. BUT also scraped up the side of my face. My boss was mortified and couldn’t have need nicer.
No way no how you slip on ice and only injure only your knuckles.
This kid wasn’t walking a dog…he, supposedly, was just walking and slipped.
But because you were holding something? He said he had something in his left hand so he punched the ground with his empty right hand to break his fapp
@@HLB313 Well that was an unfortunate bukka- I mean typo.
His knuckles also would have healed more if it was from a month before the photo was taken sooooo.....
I agree, this cross-amnesia is the most outlandish that I’ve ever seen.
The claim he made that he has never once discussed the case with his mother or father is outlandish as well
@@m.g.7828 Or ever looked at social media...
@@Arthur_King_of_the_Britons right, he said he doesn't use social media, so what apps was he talking about communicating through instead of text messages?
I think they defense attorney waited for a LOT of witness 'forget' things to finaly question it. Question that his memory is faulty. IF he did that early on trial they might have change some answers, fabricate some things. Now they are stuck with cross-amnesia. And certainly he'll address that at the end
@@m.g.7828 As i said since first witness. If i was on jury duty i would find very hard to believe on sombody that remember everything, even with details, when it's for one side and suddenly forget everything when it might hurt this side. And after some witness i would stop to believe in all defense, even prosecutor at all.
WTF is with all of the dark SUV talk. Every goddamn person at the party saw Karen Read’s car (supposedly) but NO ONE SAW anyone get out? NO ONE saw the accident? NO ONE saw O’Keefe staggering around out there?
What timing!
Because John got out past the treeline just beyond the property line at 1:31 am. Opening the door is what caused the dome light to come on - and if the car is in park it will stay on few several seconds after closing the door. That’s why Ryan didn’t see John in the car. He was outside on the passenger side and the Lexus blocked their view of him.
That makes zero sense.
Ryan isn’t the only one who didn’t see him by the way.
I know your focused on the Lexus.
You should review his injuries.
How did a Lexus cause deep lacerations on one arm. A deep gash in the back of his head.
A cut above his eye. Black eyes and cut knuckles.
Yet zero midsection or lower body damage?
Are you familiar with vehicle/pedestrian accidents?
It’s physically impossible he would not have injuries to his lower body.
Honestly, I’m starting to wonder if John didn’t get out of the car…..then, anyway. Maybe Karen and John were discussing whether or not he should go in (remember, Karen thought they weren’t really invited), hence the scooting forward, and John finally said “ok take me back to the waterfall then,” so Karen DID leave him there. Then he decides to walk back to the Albert’s, and maybe one of the drunk drivers was now leaving, and they hit him. Or the dog attacked when he arrived bcuz the dog was outside at the time, and maybe John went through the yard. Then he threatens to file charges and a fight happens. Idk, bcuz I think we have tech showing he went up stairs shortly after the suv was shown. And wasn’t the waterfall closed by then? It just doesn’t make sense. I’m def not convinced Karen hit him, intentionally or otherwise. But I don’t know what else could have happened. There’s too many unanswered questions and attempts at cover up. I think Jen McCabe is at the center of whatever really happened to John. Her ending testimony that “Karen was insistent to go back to Fairview bcuz she knew John was there bcuz she hit him,” then the very next witness says Karen never brought up going to Fairview until Jen told her she saw them there. The kicker? This was said over car Bluetooth. My guess is, Jen didn’t know Kerry could hear her say this. She didn’t know Kerry would be able to directly dispute her testimony. 😅😅
@kari
They have John’s phone and the geofence data.
Which shows you exactly where the location is. He didn’t leave Fairview.
Seriously everyone spotted a dark suv when they were LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW and everyyyyone looked out the window like three times at least.
Do we have proof that Karen even dropped him off there ? Because she says she didn’t remember that and if Jen was the one suggesting they look there …
This judge blatantly prefers the prosecution, but I think her actions are actually more helpful to the defense. She cuts off the defense attorneys all the time, sustains bizarre objections, and seems to favor the prosecutions narrative by displaying her irritation with the defense’s theory. I’m 85% sure the jury is picking up on this and won’t like the fact that Karen read isn’t being allowed to properly defend herself.
I hope.
she had a statement where she refused to let the defense continue another line of questioning where the reverse happened saying "but but it wasn't objected to.." The defense was trying to get this judge to step down from this before the trial due to bias and Its getting clearer and clearer they had a point.
The defense will have a lot to appeal on if she’s convicted.
the judge seems extremely unprofessional to say the least. im sure the jury sees it too
Judge's brother defended Albert for DWI death & got him off‼️- Biased & conflict of interest ‼️They call her "Aunt Bev"
@@MissteryDivaOk, I just saw this same info commented a moment ago. This judge’s brother is/was also a judge, and was the judge for Chris Albert’s hit and run trial? And that was also a DWI hit and run?? Was the person hit killed?? This is crazy. This judge can’t be impartial. Edit: I see, this judge’s brother is an attorney who defended Chris Albert.
Of course Colin is a punk. The adults in his life are a pseudo mafia from all appearances. The only harassment I see is KR being on trial
If I recall, Ally’s answer to why the screenshot was shown so much later is because she was not asked. How did that open any door? Or lead to the reason being harassment?
Colin seems to be aggressive when consuming alcohol
Reminds me a bit of Paul murdaugh (but possibly just because I've been thinking about the case lately)
I think this was the idea of this cross-exam. ANd to me the defense succeeded
@@-c3202my fellow friend! I've watched Murdaugh trial last summer and have been listening to Cup of Justice podcast past month so Murdaugh is fresh in my mind. There are definitely similarities and I wonder if it's inevitable if you have a family name with power and money who aren't held accountable that these 3rd generation kids as teens/young adults are just gonna self destruct.
I think he came from an aggressive family😮
And he seems to always be consuming alcohol.
The _cross-ex-amnesia_ is getting worse for every witness!
If I were on the jury I would vote for sending the witness to prison just for his attitude.
"Ladies and gentleman of the jury, have you reached a verdict?"
"We have, Your Honor. We find a bunch of the witnesses Guilty AF!"
The whole family kinda has the same attitude
It felt shady, that the judge didnt even say with which words that defense is supposed to have opened the door. They didnt.
I would think she would be able and inclined to be specific since she disagreed with Yanetti "in the strongest way possible."
She ruled in favor of Lally who’s argument was that the door was opened because they asked her WHY she didnt show the texts for so long … and her response was 2 parts - because the defense hadn’t formally implied Colins involvement and because of the harassment to him once they did. So fear basically.
Hopefully it backfired on them all. The jury isn't allowed to hear or watch anything on this trial outside of the trial. But her claiming harassment, is showing the jury that people outside of the trial don't believe them!!!
As a mother of boys, if my boys came home with knuckles like that only on their right hand and tried to tell me that they were slipping on the ice or hitting a bag. They would immediately be grounded for lying to me!
Many of the witnesses seem defiant in their lack of memory. Or have ridiculous excuses, like Colin falling on his knuckles. He’s a liar and a punk.
Colin Albert’s defensiveness makes me think Karen Reed certainly, had nothing to do with John O’Keefe’s death.
I love how they dressed him up to look like a choir boy.
@@laurenurban3942 Especially because he had the backwards baseball cap on in the photo's. Such a cliché teenage rebel.
She caused it! Would you have a bruise on your knuckles one month after a fight? I don't think so! Do you think a 20 year old kid could beat a 6'2", 220 lbs 46 year old man in a fight? I don't think so. And, what would the motive be?
@dawnmills6755
Maybe motive will come out when the Defense calls Kevin Albert.
They retrieved his phone and messages as well.
Part of the reason they did was because John O Keefe called the Canton PD over suspicious activity in his neighborhood. Kevin Albert was the person he spoke to and sent video via email to.
Maybe it’s nothing but will be interesting to see all of that communication.
Why would he lie about his knuckles?
Pictures from 2/11 show no injury to his knuckles, which proves that whatever he did to his knuckles didn't have anything to do with John O'Keefe.
So why would he lie? Even if it was from a separate fight, what would that actually prove in regard to O'Keefe?
He doesn't seem to have anything at all to gain by lying about the knuckles.
This case is so bizarre
Who carries their phone or drink in their none dominant hand and no one makes a fist 👊🏾 to break a fall!
Anyone else like to know which side the person was representing who kept coughing after Colin said each answer? Almost like a distraction to forget the question (&/or) his response. But also potentially a way to say: "Colin stick to the story."
I have spidy sense with Colin. Something is off.
Colin definitely has a black eye and bruised knuckles in those videos
It looks like he could have maybe had a black eye in the bang bang video, but he also seems to have eye bags just as part of his baseline and in the first vid those def looked like eye bags to me
@@-c3202Yes! Same eye bags as Chris Albert! (his dad, I think? Too many Alberts to keep track of) Initially I thought he had a black eye in the video, I still do, but lighting was dark to be certain. He seems like a mouthy sh!t disturbing “tough guy” who thinks he can be that way because he’s connected to the police in Canton.
He had a black eye and some scratches on his forehead….as if he was pushed….face first….into hard ground.
First thing i thought when the 1 month texting gap came up and Colin was like "sometimes we jump around to other apps" : you mean those other social media apps you said you don't have??
There's something about "You indicated, 'You're a bitch, bro!'" that cracks me up every time. 19:52
Those injuries are not on the front of his knuckles - they’re on the top. He’d have had to not fall on his fist - he’d have had to fall on the top of his hand, bent under itself.
It’s just a really bad lie. He could have said he scraped it walking past a stone building and been more believable.
And also, recognizing this fact, I don’t necessarily think it looks like a fighting injury. But why lie?
I can think of reasons to end up with knuckles scraped that way in a fall from things like failing to actually get the hand into position during reaction, or sliding afterwards, but he didn't explain it that way and suggested he tried to catch himself with his fist which is just insane
@@twitchascension my experience is if you catch your body weight on one hand bent under in that manner you break a radius and an ulna. A scrape was the least of the problems. But I suppose to each their own.
Also he said he got them from punching a bag in a previous testimony
@@twitchascension there really isn't a way to fall on the knuckles like that without injuring the wrist.
Does anyone KNOW for a FACT that she was picking Colin up from the Albert’s? Because she had also dropped him off at his friends…. Maybe this is actually when he was picked up to go TO the Albert’s instead? Anyone else think this?
The recaps are so great, i dont get to watch the lives very often in full so the condensed summery is great
I need a spreadsheet of names and relationships for this one to keep track of all the players. I keep forgetting who’s who.
Brian Albert: home owner of #34 Fairview.
Nicole Albert: his wife.
Jen McCabe: Nicole's sister.
Matt McCabe: Jen's husband. Ali McCabe: their daughter.
Brian Higgins: friend of Brian Albert. Possibly had a thing for Karen Read.
Chris Albert: Brian Albert's younger🎉 brother.
Julie Albert: his wife. Also friends with Courtney Procter, sister of investigator Michael Procter.
Their son, Colin Albert: He is best friends with Ali McCabe.
Brian Albert Jnr: son of Brian & Nicole Albert. Friends with Julie Nagal and Sara Levinson.
John O Keefe: the deceased. Friends with Jen McCabe, and Colin & Julie Albert.
Karen Read: his girlfriend.
Crossexaminesea!!! That is awesome!!!
I think one really big deal about the videos of Colin Albert is the voir dire to introduce them. The judge asked if these videos speak to third party culpability, to which defense responded yes. The fact that she let them in means bricks may be getting removed before she lets defense bring the theory up before jury.
I wasn't expecting a dent in third party culpability til the defense got to call witnesses. Perhaps cross examination of the Commonwealth's medical examiner at the earliest. I think this is a very good sign for defense, as the sooner they chip away at this the more opportunities will present themselves
He fell and punched the concrete?! Who does he think he is, the hulk?!
The hulk who listens to Adele 😂
Honestly a more believable story from this guy. “The sidewalk called me a sissy punk so I was just defending my honor sir.”
He just walks around with his hands balled in fists at ALL TIMES 😂
Colin said "I DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA". What!?! 😱 Liar 💣💥💣
What about the red piece of tail light that was ON TOP of a shoe print that had no snow on it?
Did they find out who’s shoe print? I haven’t heard this piece!
Is that true or turtle boy propaganda?
Multiple snow plows had come by prior to finding it so things could’ve gotten moved from their original place. Remember the road was reopened after 8am on the 29th. Unfortunately
That photo was shown in court, it has nothing to do with Turtleboy.
@@Patsanford220 it's hard to tell what's facts vs propaganda when a CZcamsr is pushing propaganda left and right to profit off it and is allegedly paid to do so
I disagree “in the strongest way possible “ with the judge too!
thank you for keeping us updated with the shenanigans. I am shooketh!
Camille Vasquez has spoiled me - the prosecution sound so dreary and bored when placing objections
Yessss I was thinking the same thing!! But so does the judge, judge Azcarate was assertive while this judge sounds plainly bored
Love your recap videos !
how did anyone buy Colin's story about slipping on ice?
I didn't buy it.
I'm not sure why he would lie. The picture from February 11th proves that whatever those bruises/cuts were, it wasn't from punching John O'Keefe. If he is lying for some reason, it's not really relevant to this case.
@@drewc771
Please connect the dots as to why the Feb 11th proves he didn't do anything?
@@Sentientdreamer The bruises/cuts people are referring to are from a picture in late February.
In a picture taken before that photo, on February 11th, there are no bruises/cuts. So whatever cuts he had in the later picture came after February 11th.
John O'Keefe died January 29th.
@@drewc771 it actually is very relevant because it proves he has a track record of fighting and being aggressive. It also shows him as not being credible for him to lie.
Thank you for these Recaps! I’ve checked out watching all this. I just can’t anymore. Lally has killed my joy 🤯
Still just getting nothing but doubt. I have NO idea what happened, let alone what the Commonwealth thinks happened.
I love your sum up and commentary. It's spot on & my favorite part is actually your clip from "parks & wreck" lol don't be suspicious don't be suspicious 😅! You got to have some levity with all this because the prosecutions case against Karen Reed is so absurd & ridiculous that it brings tears through my anger so a little comic relief is always a good thing. Thank you❤
The craziest case ever. Where the innocent is really innocent And the criminals are in the stand
If you knew Karen hit Johns car intentionally would you think she’s innocent? Because she did and I have proof.
@shauna I thought that was addressed prior? You mentioned the system in the Lexus.
People don’t always use that.
I have a a“similar and it is disabled as it distracted me.
What proof is it that you have?
@@LeannaMurphy-mx7zy it can’t be turned off permanently. Three things cause it to reset back to on… starting the car, shifting to park, or hitting something. So by default it was on when Karen started the car. She turns it off - shifts into reverse - hits Johns car - it’s back on again.
@@2TurntKaren makes no sense. So why pieces of light are scattered all over canton higway? And the retired chief happen to find the rest? You live here in England when is cold ❄️ blizzard windy. You hit a park car u no coming out... now way and Tha the every. Person in new England agrees is a fact.. Why will she do that makes her more guilty ? Is no about Karen. John was 6 foot tall. The injuries look closely are no the result o being hit by a car .. yes her car was working she had all those functions turn on thank God a good guy who took the car to the garage wrote it down .. then Proctor took Karen her car 90 minutes no telling anybody why? People need to give it a rest after Friday testimony. Of THeGUY. The secrets chats. Taking picture. Missing dog. Phones Enough The only thing Karen is guilty being in the wrong place at the wrong time
Notice their testimony. Now they are trying to throw proctor on the the bus .proctor I don't think is like them. I think he respects Brain and was doing evrithing Brain say. Thinking he was helping him Proctor let his guard down just because he knew them Brain is smart. Look at he group chat in secret no using phones. FBI was the one who was able to recover those texts. FBI is giving the defense cookies Also the rest of the family is true. They dint see John. Because John went straight to the basement only Brain. Higgins Collin's and Jennifer came after to help ..knowing he was dying they need it a plan when Karen call Jennifer. lol she even had time to make coffee 🙅🏼♀️ her plan was to keep Karen away from the Alberts reason. Karen all crazy goes back to John place,, because when Karen was getting. Close Guess what? Jennifer says let go back to John maybe he is there reason they go back Giving then time to place the body. The other people could they dint see because they took his body through the basement door .. this kid Allyson I'm pretty sure Jenn told Allyson when it was getting close to trail ..Allyson is another victim of. Brain . Brain I bet dint even told his wife. He waited reason she look like she wanted to confess No everybody in the house is guilty they are nervous panicky. Because they find out weeks Ago..what happen the night. .after the CW place then as witness's
Thank you for these recaps. I don't have the time to watch live with you anymore. Work work work.
Am I the only one that thinks if he truly landed on his knuckles he would have broken fingers?
a broken wrist possibly
I think if Matt McCabe saw wave tireprints, it would make thevmost sense that those were Ricky D's, as he testified to having gone around Karens vehicle.
I cuss like a sailor, so I love when professionals say cuss words. Especially the F bomb in court. The first time I ever heard it it did kind of make my stomach hurt but now I just think it’s hilarious
If Turtleboy never reported on this i don't think many people would have covered this case. The Albert's have hired attorneys that are legal analysts for the local news channels and those channels just recently started to reluctantly cover the case. Brian Albert knows where all the bodies are buried up on Beacon hill, he had close ties to Mayor Menino. A dirty cop that has a lot of dirt on powerful people is a scary thing.
This breakdown is K O bang bang 😂
I'm currently feeling like Rocky listening to my Adele playlist.😂😂
There was no snow or ice in Canton in February when he said he slipped on ice...
This group of people, parents and young adults alike are rather scuzzy in my opinion
Welcome to Boston.
There is an epidemic of liabetes in Canton and it's running rampant through the McAlbert families!
It doesn't exactly look like a fight either, but his explanation? Seriously?
This case is the most stunning courtroom fraud I've ever seen. "I don't remember. I don't remember."
Allison's justification, that she was trying to protect her cousin from harassment wasn't the win they think it was if you ask me.
Because there was no harassment when they initially started "protecting" him - so I'm sure the defence is going to swing back to this.
Good point. You are obviously intelligent. What if I told you I can prove Karen hit Johns car intentionally at 5am? Would you think she’d innocent?
@shaunna
But your point is inaccurate.
I mean his car or John ? And if you said that I would ask you for the evidence
@@MsCatzrock there is no such thing as an accidental love tap in a Lexus. The car has a pre collision system that will slam on the brakes before her car can get within 6” of John’s. She turned off the setting at 5am.
@@MsCatzrock it only stops the car at slow speeds - it’s called Parking assist
Why can’t the defense obtain the Albert’s phone records from their cell phone providers?
They can get who they called, but not what was said. Numbers they sent texts to but not what was said. (That might depend on the provider and how long police wait to subpoena the records. FYI Verizon doesn’t keep text records ever. So carrier is gonna matter. They might be able to recover data from the phone but everyone else got rid of/ got new phones. Not Colin though….
The defense saying “Really?!” to Colin falling on his knuckles, might need a cutaway of Joe Pesci from My Cousin Vinny saying “That’s all you got?!” From the scene when the guy says his grits cook faster because he’s a fast cook.
Why does the judge keep repeating whatever she will “allow”? Is she unfamiliar with the term “overruled”?
And procedurally, how is an appellate court supposed to parse her constant “sustained” with no information? I really hate that she isn’t even at least saying “sustained for asked and answered”, “sustained for argumentative”. It means she’s not just making herself look more biased (possibly without cause, possibly with), but the line of questioning being objected to could be reasonable were it rephrased. Or her judgement could be wrong. But like the hearing yesterday she just gives no evidence or reason for the judgement besides “I disagree with your characterization, motion denied”.
@@mostlyvoid.partiallystars for the sake of brevity when the reason is obvious to counsel
@@Mr._Chievous is it obvious?
@@mostlyvoid.partiallystars certainly
@@mostlyvoid.partiallystars Thank you, I was wondering the same thing and you seem to know what you’re talking about LOL! This prosecution’s really doing the ol’ “Objection! That was… objectionable!”
Colin’s response doesn’t sound reasonable to me.. Snapchat isn’t an app you use for normal everyday conversation. That would be like only communicating via instagram…
Or telegram...
Also, who jumps between apps to communicate with the same person? I get using sth differently if the other person doesn't have my preferred social media but with the same person? How bizarre
Wait but, there's a few people I mostly talk to through SC and Insta 🙈 Also switching apps isn't too uncommon, replying to a story on SC and having a convo there for a while, then maybe chatting on discord after being in a call together... That kind of vibe
I switch between communication services with my family, friends, and even colleagues regularly.
I wouldn't say it is unreasonable, but I would say a month gap is a little suspicious.
Jen McCabe stated the two are very close friends. While a lot of people will communicate on multiple platforms now a days, I think it is strange that she was also there and knows people who were there, and before the case a majority of their communication was through text and then the death occurs and between then and a month after the case he is switching how he communicates with this person to mostly through an app that is known to delete data…I think that is suspicious.
Day 17 testimony by the Brian Higgins indicates a misitrail is coming!
I would appreciate if anybody could give me their honest opinion about this-
I hate conspiracy theories. Generally I consider them to be the worst explanation for any given event. They make everything seem twice as complicated as they actually are, and apart from anything else human beings are just no good at keeping and maintaining secrets and conspiracies.
Given all that, I went into this trail super skeptical of the defenses conspiracy of silence explanations. But, as I listen to each of the witnesses who are supposedly involved in the death of John O’Keaf, it keep getting the same impression about all of them- that they are hiding something. Their defensiveness, the “cross examnesia” (brilliant name), the pretending not to be able to tell time, the sudden changes in their mode of communication, getting rid of evidence hours before the judge orders it preserved, being combative and hostile to the defense while acting docile and cooperative with the prosecutors… All of this stuff just keeps leading me- in spite of my deep desire not to succumb to conspiracy theories- to the conclusion that these people absolutely must be hiding something.
Now, what they are hiding is up for debate. It may have nothing whatsoever to do with John O’Keaf’s death. In fact, they may not all be hiding the same thing- perhaps each of them have their own secrets that they don’t want the world to know about. Whatever the case may be, I no longer believe these witnesses. Their testimony has lost credibility to me. And the stupid conspiracy theory no longer seems impossible anymore. I’m actually wondering if there is the slightest chance somebody in that house DID do something dumb to O’Keaf. Maybe they didn’t beat him up. Maybe he was drunk and said something awful and someone pushed him out of the house and told him to go sober up, and he slipped and fell unconscious.
Like, that really seems like it might have a chance of being real.
Anyway I am super duper curious what everybody else thinks about this?? I need to know if I’m the only one or if there’s anybody else- not anybody who has believed in the conspiracy from the start, but who started off skeptical and budged from that position over time.
Anyone? Bueler? Anyone?…..
I have only heard about this case this year. I am also suspicious of the witnesses… they can give some really specific detail and then with other things that are simple to answer they simply have no idea.
If I am on the jury I would be sitting there asking myself what are these people trying to hide??
The trail so far looks like a total mess for the prosecution, everyone at that police station must be so embarrassed
Just remember that the defence doesn't have to prove an actual conspiracy. They just have to show reasonable doubt that Karen did it, which is pretty much already a given even without the defence's witnesses.
I came into this trial neutral.
I hadn't heard anything about it.
The CW has shot all of their toes off with such a poor showing of boring useless repetitiveness.
One of the things that occurs to me is that the small town relationships have made these folks kinda dumb.
They may be SO used to treating others with contempt and getting away with it that they're clueless about how bad it is and looks.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is LEO collusion in general for other cops. That'd look like conspiracy but not actually be conspiracy.
The CW has not got a good case against KR so far.
I don't think so. I don't see a cover-up at all. But I'm admittedly a very Occam's Razor kind of person.
As far as the evasiveness of these witnesses, they've basically been under attack for over a year. They have a lot of statements on record, even people attempting to tell the truth in good faith will have minor discrepancies in between various tellings, and the defense lawyers are very skilled at amplifying any mis-statement or discrepancy they can find. These witnesses know that the defense attorneys are big shots, are being paid well to take them down, and they know what they're being accused of. You have to be guarded. You not only don't want to slip and have a mis-statement, you also don't want to lose your cool.
Imo, there's simply too many people that would have to be blatantly lying for the conspiracy to be true. And most of them simply don't seem to have the motivation to risk their own livelihoods to ruin her's and dishonor his. I'm not sure why any of them would want him dead in the first place. I don't think she really wanted him dead, either, but an emotional lover's quarrel ending in one partner acting in a moment of rage is nothing new.
There's absolutely no actual physical evidence for the main claims of the conspiracists, such as O'Keefe ever being in the house or Collin Albert still being there. It's all just based on a circular type of logic that everyone is lying and nothing else. And the story we've been given has come from the defense, whose job is literally to do anything they can to get their client off the hook, and it's all been bolstered by youtubers and media, who are drawing great numbers appealing to conspiracy theorists and the "free karen read" crowd.
The conspiracy narrative simply doesn't add up to me, though especially considering the alleged "event" hasn't been covered/reconstructed yet, I'm not saying I could find Karen Read guilty at this point, either.
To be a conspiracy theorist is to assume conspiracy in EVERY situation or complicated issue. But real conspiracies do happen sometimes nonetheless, and it’s only reasonable to acknowledge when it’s a possibility (with due skepticism, of course). That said, “conspiracy” feels charitable for what I suspect at present was a bunch of drunk people with delusions of invincibility hastily covering up a suspicious (though perhaps not intentional) death on their property.
It’s so suspicious to me how many people have testified about HOW MANY TIMES they looked out windows and saw the suv in different places. Like you’re at a party ? Looking out the window ? Nah
Can i ask why the judge asks "can you answer that" to the person testifying so often when an objection is raised? Its something ive never heard before in US trials and im from the UK and have definitely NEVER heard a judge ask that. It seems redundant? Surely an objection is to the question being asked and not whether or not the other side thinks the person is able to answer or not
Is it my imagination or is the judge changing her attitude towards the defense and allowing them to do their job now?😮 She's seems to be objecting a lot less...
I was pleasantly surprised by how much she let AJ go off on Colin! It gave me life 😂 at one point even Bev seems to have realized “this kids a little shit” and changes the way she speaks to him. I appreciated it 😂
I don`t think that punk kid could pass a lie detector test. He`s guilty.
This judge is so biased towards the prosecution, it’s unbelievable.
Seams we are missing time of death information. Not just this case. Others like that one in AZ where a body was found near the boarder. Rigger had already set in when it was found. But prosecutor thinks was shot recently.
The red is saturated to make knuckles look worse.
It appears Colin was trying to call her. She let him know she was on a zoom call. They talk all the time and he can’t say last week or last month?
could the judge be biased ?
Is there a different set of rules for Mass judges? Instead of overruling an objection and telling the witness they can answer, the judge asks the witnesses questions. I feel like I'm watching the old classic To Kill A Mockingbird with the crooked court case.
The real question is could this judge be any MORE biased 🧐
I think I’ve seen that she is familiar with the family? But she stayed on anyways?
@@tartnouveau3652 OMG, is that true? She is def setting the grounds for an appeal in the case of a conviction. I guess that's a silver lining.
I've been hearing accusations of her being biased but as far as this trial (I know nothing of pretrial motions or hearings), I don't see it. The not saying what the objection is and her ruling on it makes it seem like mind reading to me, but I'm not a lawyer. The lawyers I watch tend to explain the objections and it makes sense
You could fall and scrape the knuckles if you were holding a beer! 😂 Always save the drink!
Didn't Matt McCabe also get challenged on the group text he sent, saying something like "Just tell them the guy never went inside the house."?
Interesting to me how Nobody has shown any type of real tears or emotion besides John’s brother and his wife.
From my experience in jury duty, I suspect the Colin testimony hasn't really made much difference to the jury.
In hindsight, I think a characteristic that describes the jury mindset (again, in my experience) is basically, first and foremost, filtering out information that doesn't actually seem that important. The example I remember most was being on the jury for someone who had collided with a city bus, and the city was on the defense. This lawsuit had apparently been put through the bureaucratic wringer and so it was 6 years old at the time we were sitting for it. I remember the driver of the other car (the plaintiff) testified that she hit the brakes with her right foot, but the defense lawyer pointed out that in prior testimony years earlier she had said it was her left foot. I remember it so well because he really hammered the point home, like he thought this was his smoking gun, like this contradiction would undo her whole story. The entire jury didn't care. It had been years, none of us could fathom why it mattered if she said she used a different foot, the end result would be the same anyway.
I suspect that the jury may well say, alright he's just an annoying kid, that doesn't mean anything. But to that point, it seems like the vast majority of the prosecution's examinations have been about nothing. Driving here and there, seeing a car or not seeing a car, none of that puts a murder in the defendant's hands. Even the "I did it" statements, which feel like we last heard about them years ago, aren't infallible evidence. I suspect more than any one piece of evidence 'winning' the case for the defense, the fact that their examinations seem to actually focus towards a point will be their greatest asset (especially since the burden of proof is on the prosecution, who seem to be generally muddling about).
I feel like the prosecution has put the early focus on countering the whole conspiracy/frame job that the defense led with. It's the "accident/reconstruction" and medical examiner testimonies that will be the real key to this case, and that's all been saved. They may have wanted to take the time to shoot down this whole frame job narrative up front so jurors can later focus on those aspects as they are.
I believe they've actually done a fairly good job on this, albeit slowly and clumsily at times. I understand that there are people on the internet who wildly disagree with me on this, but I wonder how many of the jurors actually would. Presumably, the jurors haven't been following any media, which has majorly impacted public perception of this case.
I agree with you both. As a juror I probably couldn't even identify all inconsistencies on their real value because the days are so long and you can't fast forward or speed up in court. Lally's wasting of the juries time should put him in prison for life.
But I don't think the jury really cares about inconsistencies because they will just trust prosecution and the Canton cops/EMTs and think any cover up is by definition crazy talk. If prosecution gets an expert to testify that John could have died because of a car hit, even if the evidence is full of holes, I think there is a 50/50 chance to convict.
@@hkr667but but but they were on a high school track team together
Her Lexus will convict her - she turned off the sensors at 5am - disabling the collision avoidance- enabling her to hit Johns car. Otherwise her car would have stopped beforehand. “Accidental” bumper taps are impossible in Karen’s car. The car will stop within 6” of any object when backing up at speeds under 9 mph.
@shauna
My husband shut mine off the week I got my car. It hasn’t reactivated on its own.
I like the term "cross-ex-amnesia" but I doubt the defence will be complaining if any of their witnesses suffer a bout of it on the stand. However, when a witness persistently states he/she "doesn't recall", it probably gives jurors a bad impression of their testimony.
I'm just going to throw this out there--Higgins testified that he left the Albert's between 12:30-1am and Colin Albert says he left at 12:15'ish. Any chance Higgins saw Karen's SUV in front when he left at 12:30'ish and ran into John walking to the house from the street? I ask mainly because it would explain what I currently can't, which is---why did Jen McCabe ask Julie Nagel to send her a screenshot the text exchange between Nagle and her brother regarding him picking up Nagle at the Albert's house? (She ended up deciding to stay and later left with the McCabes.)
Be prepared for the defense case. Witnesses will testify he does fight and he is protected by Canton PD
There is evidence of Colin fighting? I mean, injured knuckles like this repeatedly is a good indicator to me but not gonna take just that as proof
Why no follow-up by the defense or prosecution who he was threatening in those videos? Either side could’ve interviewed whoever he was threatening to ask if Collin had in fact followed up on his threat and had a physical altercation with that person and perhaps even that person if he’d ever seen Collin get violent with other people.
How is an 18 year old allowed to drink in / at a bar when the drinking age is 21 in Massachusetts !
He looks drunk !
Can someone please give that poor person in the lobby a cough drop for that freaking cough 😅 every day of trial they keep hacking up a lung.
I really did not find Colins behavior in the videos to be anything more than teenage bravado/ political theater. And given some time, i thought his testimony was exactly like so many of the other witnesses, much like was pointed by many commentors. But, i have- for the first time , begun to entertain the 3rd culprit theory, and thus the possibility that John Okeefe could have been beaten. That said, i feel that there is alot here that doesnt make sense, and i feel it is because John Okeefe is not really known here inspite of many testimonies. That seems odd.
Ya, I punched the pavement 🙄 you don't land on your fist you go for pad on your palm instead of bone instinctively
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Why is defense attorney not directly asking Colin „did you see John” did you get in a physical altercation with John” did you kill John”
Where’s the ring footage?
Nobody in the history of mankind has ever stuck their hands out in a closed fist to break a fall and a hard surface. It is literal human survival instinct to do the exact opposite of that lol, unless you wanna break both of your hands at the same time.
Well his knuckle explanation isn’t horrible, it’s unbelievable because it shows he can remember something and it also sounds rehearsed
Do you think Brian Higgins and Karen Read will end up together at the end of it all?
Omg the coughing person is killing me!!!
Is it the woman with the thing up to her mouth? I’ve been wondering what that is! It’s honestly kind of distracting I would think
@@danseavec_moi no she's the court reporter. She doesn't write down, she speaks into this thing so the testimony gets transferred.
I can't believe the person coughing isn't hideously embarrassed to come into a court continuously hacking, distracting everyone & spreading their germs.
I get abused kid anger vibes from Colin, bullied becomes bully…. Anyone else?
I hopped in a couple of days ago, and this judge is so biased and unprofessional.
How often is this under aged kid drunk ?
Where are his parents ?
I live in Massachusetts and have 3 boys.
I never went to bed till they came home. At which time we had a conversation where i would have been able to tell if they were drinking !
Only an ape would " fall " on their knuckles !
Why was this witness never interviewed by the Canton pd ?
Why was he only interviewed by the state police for 10 minutes ?
great assumption!!!
This kids is. Punk and his gotten away with crimes his whole life
that kid has to be scared shitless ❤