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The Canon R5 Mark II launches in just a few days on July 17 - and Tony Northrup (via CanonRumors.com) has the leaked specs! Well, hopefully they're accurate specs.
Here's what we think the R5 Mark II will look like. CanonRumors expects the price to be $3,999 (sdp.io/R52):
45 Megapixels
12 FPS stills with the mechanical shutter or 30 FPS stills with the electronic shutter
up to 8K at 60 FPS video (probably raw internal)
Eye-controlled autofocus point selection, like the Canon R3
No EVF blackout
Improved PixelShift for high-megapixel images
Some illuminated buttons
Autofocus to -8 EV
Better battery life
Shutter speed faster than 1/8000" with the electronic shutter
up to 16 stops of dynamic range... WHAT?? I talk about this a lot in the video
New IBIS modes.
You’ve now unlocked a new fear: having my camera stolen after photographing a wedding
Still can steal lenses
Maybe it has dual output gain; high gain for shadows and low gain for mid-tones and highlights
I have Magic Lantern on my Canon 6D and one of the features of that software is dual ISO images. I haven't yet been able to play with it but it seems like a really cool idea.
Usually that introduces ghosting
Flash sync!! Nobody seems to mention this. It’d be great to have a higher synch speed
What's the sync ?
its the biggest thing i'm waiting on - otherwise i'm going OM
totally!!!!
That dynamic range would be huge.
There are specs that say the R5 has 14.6 EV for dynamic range. I think it is more plausible that however that measurement was reached is the same way they are getting 16 for the rumor.
Built-in memory sounds nice, but only if it is switchable. You need to be able to replace it after a few years.
Re the possibility of 16 stops with software - how is this "smartphone technology never before offered by Canon" different from the HDR mode on my 70D from 2013 where 3 different exposures are captured as fast as possible and combined in camera ? I'm sure that a new camera would do it better, but isn't it basically the same thing ?
Shhhh! They changed up the words…. You’re not supposed to figure that out…. Now some poor Japanese guy is gonna get fired.
I am sure it is basically bracketing. But older cameras couldn't do those really high burst rates so you would have to either use a tripod or align them in post.
I guess what Canon is doing here is using electronic shutter to get a burst of lossy images of different exposures and stacking them. Canon sensors generally aren't known to have ISO invariance so using really high ISO and dropping it down to normal would benefit them even more.
Another option would just to take a bunch of underexposed images at really high shutter speeds to recover highlights, and add up the shadows to get a normal exposure.
A third option, I heard Canon has the ability to expose each pixel for different lengths, but I doubt this will look good if there is any motion blur going on.
Now tell us the truth you and Chelsea already have it in your hands?
Definitely not if he’s releasing this video. If he had it he wouldn’t be able to even speculate about this type of thing.
@@_cjmccullough Jared does it all the Time and he is always getting Canon GEAR. So you must not have noticed.
Plot twist: Tony has the R5 II next to the Sony A1 II just out of frame. That's how he says Sony will have the new one "pretty soon".
They sometimes have them even when they do rumor shows. It’s why they focus on the rumor site at the beginning. However Tony mentioned “when I get a production version” which I think is his way of saying he doesn’t have one now. It will be weird if both Fuji and Canon aren’t seeding to the Northrups.
@@_cjmcculloughpoor thing, you don’t know CZcamsrs
I’m looking forward to some of the subtle enhancements seen in Canon’s recent offerings - improved battery life, no 30min record limit, reduced rolling shutter, the ability to select slower burst shooting (R5 in electronic shutter is either Single shot or full 20fps, nothing in between!), maybe a quicker way to switch between photo & video like the switch on R6 ii.
I agree that for cameras to succeed in today’s market, the wireless connectivity needs to get MUCH faster and the app connection needs to be way more stable!
you can buy a used A1 for $4200 and have been able for couple of years. Are there R5M2 features that make it significantly better than A1?
Lower base ISO? Modern Wi-Fi speeds? YES, YES!
Modern wifi speeds...or just an app that works well. Or modern bluetooth workability.
@@matteout_woodworking wireless tethering could benefit from faster wifi speeds
@@futoenjoyerThis is very true. I’ve used Canon app on iPad on a job, it was slow, but it was better than showing the tiny screen on the camera. Even with Capture One with a cable, it’s not an instant transfer, but I welcome any improvement on WiFi transfer speed. I just worry about the battery drain that comes with it.
@@blackbugmedia I use it all the time to create content. I'm grateful it's there but I would rather it would go through bluetooth than wifi. My phone can connect 8 devices at once but only has one wifi connection. So I need to choose between knowing if I get an important e-mail or controlling my camera who is 8 feet away from me.
In a wireless world why can't they make cameras more compatible with devices.
@@matteout_woodworking Bluetooth is way slower than WiFi. Ideally, what you want is a WiFi Protocol that allows you to connect to a camera and internet at the same time. I think it’s technically possible, we’re just not there yet. But I don’t see Bluetooth speed catching up to WiFi speed anytime soon.
Please give us GPS, I had it on my 7DII, with the R5, I had to go back to putting a GPS receiver in the hot shoe. Using a cell phone is unreliable and uses too much battery. Extra dynamic range will be wonderful.
I too want GPS
I would like menu systems that not only work in vertical orientation but upside down. Macro photographers often invert the camera on the tripod. Upside down should be a no-brainer even easier to implement vertical orientation.
I'll keep my R5 m1 .. its all I'll ever need !
Interesting... seems to be more features than I expected... thanks a lot... now I have to work this into my budget.
The Live ND of Olympus/OM System and the Sigma FP's ISO 6 work the same way. Computational frame averaging to increase dynamic range. It's a really nice feature for getting super clean images despite the sensor size or shadow illumination levels!
Internal memory like the Hasselblad X2D would be great on a Canon.
Internal storage is bad unless exchangeable (not soldered) or it is enterprise quality = very expensive.
@@TrekCZ isnt exchangeable internal storage just sd or cfexpress card
Why would you want that?
I have been waiting for the price drop for r5.
Considering it's selling for $900 less than the original price, that itself is a significant drop.
There has been a deal in Europe for the R5 plus Canon 85mm 1.2 for 4780€/5220$ VAT included. 🥳🤯
It’s a shame that a 2024 $4000 camera is not smart. I want computational photography capabilities that rival the iPhone 15 Pro’s. Particularly the ability to blend 100s of images pre and post clicking the shutter, masking in and out portions of each image to produce a single RAW with insane DR. No excuse for not having that in 2024 in any camera. I also want an iOS operating system in addition to all the smart features that you mentioned.
About that Dynamic Range figure of 16? Almost certainly that's 'Video' dynamic range, not 'Still Image' dynamic range!
The difference...
Posted Still Image dynamic range is generally measured stopping at a black floor Signal-to-Noise-Ratio (SNR) of 1:1, where the black/shadow image data and noise data reach parity; i.e. image data and noise data are equal.
Conversely, Posted Video dynamic range is generally measured stopping at a black floor Signal-to-Noise-Ratio (SNR) of 1:2, where the black/shadow noise data is *2 times* the image data.
The reason?...
In video we normally view a stream of image frames, and the human eye/brain interprets this as continuous. The effect is that the frames somewhat blur together, which helps to reduce the visual appearance of noise; we just don't perceive the noisiness as much.
That's why video dynamic range is generally expressed as better than still image dynamic range on the same camera and in the same conditions.
Ah this makes sense.
On your list of useable features: in-body image processing like smart phones. For example, they can auto correct their lens distortion, they should have auto aligned/blended focus stacking, auto align/blended panos, etc with RAW outputs.
4:33 Also they misuse the term EV. It should be LV. LV measures the light. EV is just the combination of the shutter speed and the aperture. With ISO 100 you should expose a specific LV value with the same EV value.
See I’m not sure. Tony mentioned it’s a bad measure because of different lenses but I think that’s the point. It can do -8ev based on how much light the lens is gathering. Meaning it can work in darker environments if you have a faster lens. The measurement for effective AF is relative to the lens. Hence EV measurement and not LV.
I want all the other aspects he mentioned, security, wifi that doesn’t suck, encryption, menu usability enhancements, before an additional 10 frames per second and slightly better autofocus. He’s mentioned this over and over and is correct. Why can’t we lock our camera, even something as simple as a button combo to unlock would be very welcome. Id be happy with power on, and hitting FN1 3 times and ok on the back 1 to unlock or whatever combo we want, ability to register the camera serial with the manufacturer and a authentication to unlock it if we forget what the combo was leaving it on a shelf for 6 months. This gear is very expensive and it’s insane we don’t have security aspects to prevent theft at this point.
Thanks Tony - you just saved me $4k. I'm going to continue to shoot with my iPhone.
I would appreciate a square sensor so that the choice of portrait vs. landscape would shift to post-processing.
❤
Planning to upgrade to an R5mk2 from my R6 once the R5-2 is available. Agree on most of the usability features, but if they do add internal memory I hope they don't remove the 2nd card slot. If there's a problem with a memory card its easy to swap to another card... if there's a problem with internal memory, thats likely to be an expensive repair. Also if you fill up the internal memory you can't swap it out to a "new card" if you're storing photos redundantly. I do wish they'd add security features though... would definitely pay for that, heck they could make it a subscription service like lojack or something...
Doesn’t Hasselblad X2D have 15 stops of DR?
Medium format sensor
It's 12.3 according to photons to photos, i.e. that's what it's been shown to be capable of during independent tests and not what the company marketing team says it can.
The original R5 also claims 14.6 in dynamic range. I'm thinking the claimed 16 stops of dynamic range for the R5 II is also just marketing bullshit and will actually have one of 12 to 12.5
Needs Oled color top display and option for larger text
6:04 A pixel doesn't store light. The well capacity is a measure of how much charge can be stored, which only indirectly is a measure of how much light a pixel has "captured." Consult your favorite solid-state physics or modern semiconductor devices textbook for a fuller discussion.
The pixel does not exist in the physical world. Values of four photo sensors (RGGB) are combined (computationally) to create a pixel data set in the file. So "pixel" is a name of a group of four light sensors plus their color filters.
Tony great the way you explained about dynamic range i.e. bucket. You're absolutely fabulous
We’re talkin’ about caaahhhmras man! - Gerald Undone
Does this camera come with a stacked sensor?
14:14 Minolta´s Maxxum (Dynax) 7 has a rotating menue for vertical shooting. It´s a film-camera.
Would like more options for FPS in the electronic shutter.
The anti-theft sounds like a great idea on paper, and maybe it needs to start someplace, but how would it work in practice?
You buy a new camera with some anti-theft device - some thief comes up and grabs it (or takes it from your car, whatever) then they run away. When they get home they open up the camera bag, realize they can't sell it, and throw it in the dumpster. You still don't have a camera and have to buy another one. Yes, it is nice to know that your images will not show up someplace but you are still going have the hassle of police reports, insurance claims, ordering a new camera etc.
So... yes we need to get the ball rolling, but until all of the other non-anti-theft cameras are off the street EVERY camera is a target to get stolen.
Maybe we could just focus on making it harder to sell stolen cameras?
I agree. If thieves could only sell them to me that would really hurt their ability to make money stealing cameras and I would have enough cameras to play with as well. It's a win-win.
Do you think the used r5 will be more available and cheaper once the r5 II comes out?
A little bit. I cannot imagine large number of people spending $4k on a camera at this time. Am I wrong? I did some travel recently. Seeing people with cameras was extremely rare. I did not bring one either (I have a few).
Over sampled 4k at 60 or 120??
Imagine being able to speak to your camera to change settings between shots, once it has trained on your voice and finger print.
Yes. I wonder if this ever happens (I mean not anytime soon). At least they should put it in the phones. The phone could send instructions to the camera.
Not worth the upgrade for me. I’ve told people the current R5 competes with the Sony A1 and Sony people are offended. As someone who loves Sony as well, I tell people NOT to be offended just to know that most of you won’t notice the difference and neither will your clients at 45 vs 50 megapixels. Same is said for the Z9 and Z8. No one can tell the difference. You can’t tell the difference between stacked sensor vs non-stacked. And if you want to talk about rolling shutter, flicker and other things, just use the mechanical shutter and it eliminates that issue (and yes reduces the frame rate but no one cares). So these minor changes don’t mean anything to me. I might still get it because I need to update my back up camera and I could make this my primary and my current R5 my backup. But other than that, all these updates are non factors for me. And the R1 seems great, but the only thing that would interest me is if it’s 16 bit color depth.
It won't be even £4000 in the UK I bet. Canon will not only use a $1 to £1 exchange rate they will add another £300 at least on top. They won't be able to justify that any more than they could when I asked them to for the original R5. I'll be sticking with my R5 and next time I want to upgrade I'll either wait for the Mkiii to come out or wait until I can get the Mk ii as a grey import for a significant saving like I did with my R5 & R6 Mk ii........or I'll change systems!
I have an R5. I would upgrade if it has over 13 stops of dynamic range, 4k60HQ, no record limit or overheating, full size HDMI and 10 Bit Wide DR.
It is shocking that 2 days before a new R camera announcement that no one has really leaked any pics or real information. Everything is still speculative… really odd.
I find dynamic range to not be dramatic and I had to call Canon to see if IBIS was working at all. It was but I didn’t think it was effective.
Sorry the suggestion of internal memory and only one card for pro level R5 would send me shopping for something other than Canon for the first time in 20 years. Not being able to off load my back up copy of my photos instead of pulling the cards would be a major deal breaker.
Looks like the new R5ii looks disappointing. High cost with small gain.
Yeah that’s what I’m seeing too. I need to update my back up camera though, so I’ll consider the R5 mark II and move my R5 as the backup. Or just see what the R1 is really made of! If I’m still hoping one of the 2 (if not both) have 16 bit color depth which is vastly more superior and accurate than 14 bit. It’s the reason I’ve considered moving to medium format like the Hasselblad.
I agree with you 100%.
Yeah that 40 fps of the Hasselblad is killer. What a load of BS spew
Great if the r5 I prices drop.
What Camera has lower cost and beats this?
Great video. Thanks!
Umm. 16 stops of -EV is the same amount of stops, regardless if your lens is f1.8 or f11. Your argument that maybe they shot with an f1.8 lens to get more stops of -EV for their focus is off. That would mean that they autofocused in an even darker environment than if they shot at a higher aperture like f11 or f16.
What is canon planning on the video cameras? With Olympics in July maybe some of the prototypes will be used there. I am sure Chelsea and your daughter need a trip to Paris to see the Olympics, and you could go there to brush up on your French.
3:20 …Lumix (& Olympus?) does this internal too for a long time.
16 stop DR in RAW?
- No
So R5ii is basically a Z8 (3 year old tech). I have a feeling canon will have some type of features that haven’t been talked about yet
There is a new camera that is vertical-first. It's called the Pentax 17. (Joking)
Does the flash work in the electronic shutter?
I’m an amateur photographer and see no reason to upgrade to the R5 Mark II. I would love to see some of the upgrades that you proposed. I would pay to get those.
Tony said that he will do more testing when he gets a production Canon R5 Mark II, so he must already have the testing one.
With all the continued rumors still waiting for the announcement to determine if I will update my current R5 or just add the R5 II so I have two Canon RF mount bodies to use. I also own Sony and an A1 and A7RV but I don’t shoot video so not sure I want to continue to buy into RF mount without some significant differentiation in some way. Too bad no dual CFexpress type B. So my stills benchmark are the A1 and A7RV right now so what will it do better? Thank you and take care.
I'm looking to get an A7RV as my first mirrorless, coming from Canon DSLRs. I mostly want to continue using my EF lenses and the options Sony mount opens up for future lenses. How do you like the A7RV vs the R5?
@@MisterLongShot_Official The Canon EOS R5 and Sony A7RV are both fine cameras but the Sony and now the excellent 3rd party lens manufacturers offer a wider variety of lenses at many price points and can be more affordable. Color wise with Cobalt imaging software I can produce very similar colors for RAW images but the A7RV will have higher resolution for landscape and architecture and the Canon R5 is very nice for event shooting at 45 Mpixels. Just my opinion and experience. Take care.
I THINK that the original R5 have 15 stops of DR (or at least advertised as that) so if they're saying the mark II will have 16 stops
It might be just one stop increase
Even if the usuable dynamic range is about 11.5, they simply won't say that
I can watch Tony say "Breaking news" all day....
What about a comparison of the R5 II to the Sony A7RV? I feel like that would be apples to apples considering the price.
when will Canon RF 70-200mm F2.8L IS USM Z be available?
I went to your website and I couldn't find any camera recommendations.
According to DXO Mark, the R5 has a dynamic range of 14.6EVs. It looks like you listed the DR of the 5DS-r instead by mistake.
it's 11.85 @ iso100 according to photons to photos
dxo's dynamic range measurement is holy inaccurate.
@@ChrisThe1 why is it inaccurate
@@ChrisThe1it’s not inaccurate. They just use a different base read noise value than photons. As long as each one is consistent it doesnt matter.
You out of all people should know not to compare manufacturer claimed dynamic range vs 3rd party tested as the methods used to test are drastically different. Find how much DR did Canon claim for the R5 and compare to the claim for the R5ii to get a more accurate number.
Hope u can have sound with eletronic shutter and more than 30 min recording
I hope it is a great camera like the first version. I feel like most brands are coming with marginal improvements.
I just want anything which makes image quality better. I have a 5Dr. It is 50M pixels. How about a hi res camera or anything which improves image quality. I don’t need high frame rates.
Hello Tony, how is Chelsea?. enjoying your content from Nigeria.... Though I am shooting with Canon 600D, that's my capacity for now....
Stay blessed.
All of us need security features starting from camera lock.
Could they be extending the DR by capturing the image in log mode and applying a LUT in-camera?
DR is limited by the sensor so log mode can't overcome that.
I bet the 60FPS will be via a power supply. Otherwise this would outdo the R5C
You want a camera with vertical first? Sounds like what you need is a Pentax 17!
Maybe a DGO sensor?
I'd like to opening invite you to a 1 on 1 livestream on Vahagraphy Talk where you can openly address the Z6III video and maybe take on some of the hate you been getting from the Nikon community over this. If you guys want to see Tony come on the show , Like this comment and comment down below this thread.
Great offer Vahagan ...
Cannon stands no chance against Nikon especially in Video except for the millionth sec difference in irrelevant AF ...
Try compare with Nikon s Lenses if you trust DxO mark ....canon s kicked out of the park .
16 Stops of dynamic range is not happening except as a huge trade off with some other spec...
Good going Vahagan
Tony & Chelsea's channel is fine without going on someone else's...
Yes Tony. Accept the invitation please.
YES YES
I will watch for sure.
No stacked sensor? Even the base z6iii has at least a partially stacked sensor
I think 8k60 will be limited to the cooling grip maybe?
Aaah that sounds right
@@TonyAndChelsea no worries I'm always here to help beginning photographers with my genius
No pre-capture?
@@chuckmorton8823 pre capture 100% and in RAW also.
What an eloquent and poignant rant at the end! Good job Tony!
I disagree only in one point Tony:
The suggestion for a fast internal memory, although it sounds great as an option, and it could be very useful if you’d forget to bring any card with you, it’s also a long term reliabilty issue. Flash memories wearout over time, and they tend to fail. You out of all people experienced it quite some times already and advocated that in your videos multiple times. If that would happen to the internal memory of the camera, it could render the camera usless. It would also be a quite expensive repair, compared to replacing a failed external CF Express or SD. It could also mean not having your camera as a professional for the time it’d need to be repaired. I’m guessing that’s the main reason most manufacturers avoid putting these kind of flash memories internally in their cameras. Other than that, I’m excited to see what’s going to be new in the R5 II, but I’m sticking with my R5 regardless. I bought it in January, knowing that the price drop was due to the II coming out soon, and at that time it was even rumored for that to be in May instead of July.
I’m hoping we get 4K 180 at minimum, 4K 240 would be a game changer for my work. 🤞
If it has animal eye detection specifically for butterflies, I will buy it. (Have an R5 currently)
If Sony planes to answer with an a1ii in the next 6 months it is strange that the price of an a1 don't go down at all.
I wish Canon can throw in GPS again
The only REAL Key feature is whether or not the R5ii has a Properly STACKED Large MP sensor.
I think the 5D mk II will be something less than what Tony says, it will be boring with incremental upgrades. Canon will have eyes on the R1
One of the rumors a while ago mentioned it might have 16 bit color. Guess that isn't true.😢
I wish the camera manufacturers would listen to the Northrups' suggestions.
love your videos. I'm curious about how long it takes for a digital camera sensor to degrade and affect image quality. thanks
DGO sensor is what's coming and it will greatly increase the dynamic range. Question is, how will they manage the processing requirements of a DGO sensor...
Nope not with R5ii
And imagine a DGO with computational photography Ehehehe. Definitely not coming this body though seems like a cinema body thing only rn sadly
Did you run out of W's and have to use upside down M's for your thumbnail? 😅
Dude, no way they'd only charge $4k for 16 true stops of DR... (unless sales on bodies with the current spec/price ratio are plunging or predicted to plunge?)
i have 14,8 stops DR on my a7s3 arw files
What about cinema cemeras? don't they have a superior DR?
Sony's A77 had twilight mode which combined 6 images for clean low light shooting.
Personally, I am excited by the idea of a lower base ISO. I would be even more excited by some anti-theft tech. I think wedding photographers and journalists and street photographers the world over would jump on the possibility of not needing to worry about losing pictures/equipment again.
You have been making the same thoughtful case for safety features in cameras for years, alongside many other photographers I'm sure, so it's disappointing that nobody has listened yet.
why cant we get 6K/75fps
Too many things are like Nikon z8/z9🤣
Did I just learn that camera manufacturers inflate their DR readings like amplifier companies inflate their RMS watt ratings? How do they get away with this marketing without getting called out
I'd like 16:9 video recording without a cropp.
Not global shutter?