I use the face registry thing on Sony. I don't think it works, BUT it does blow the bride and groom away every. single. time. They get so much relief by the simple act of being registered with the camera. Sony and R5II users, try it. I swear by it. Not because it works, but because it FEELS like it COULD work to the average person.
Well we watched Canon's version work right here on the internet. And team USA Olympic photographers have reported that the Canon's version works superbly.
Listen. I just want Steam on it. I wanna play Elden Ring between shots. I'm not asking a lot, here. This is a computer and it has buttons and a joystick.
Yeah I cut it from the video but I ranted for like 3 minutes straight about how they wasted their software development budget on in-camera AI post-processing. WTF.
@@TonyAndChelsea they could have been the first but nooooooooo they wont Listen to Tony! Come on Canon at least do that! (But I wonder Tony, could it be a liability issue?)
That would be cool. I currently use smallrig mounts for my airtags, but that eats up valuable space on my cage, and I often remove it to add more essential accessories.
@@cybervehicle I hate to break it to you, but if you carry a cell phone or smart watch you’re already been tracked. Unless you disable tracking on it.😊
Face recognition could be nice with a custom button to activate it. You save the face of the groom and bride in the morning of the wedding and if they are in a crowd with friends at the party you hit the custom button to lock on to their faces in the crowd. I see some use cases for it.
The price should have been lowered over the years. Right now, it’s definitely overpriced and I think Sony will release a camera around 4200$ to compete with the R5ii and the Z8. They kinda have to now
@@raphxwb That's what I've been saying and really hoping for. Maybe the next A1ii or the A7V or heck the A7RVI who knows but sony now has to release something to compete with the Z8 and R5ii and hopefully in the next few months we'll see that happen.
Exactly. Or you’re shooting a football match where a new player makes a debut or a superstar like Messi plays. It’s a choice to use this so I don’t see a problem.
There is no doubt that the R5 mkII, is probably the best all round camera there is on the market, and for those who need some of its features and can afford it, it is a no brainer. But I agree with Tony, that for most people, the original R5 will do most of what the R5 mkII does, with the same resolution. In other words, even for a top photographer, with demanding needs, in most case scenarios, the output of the original R5, will be near identical to the R5 mkII. Yes, if you push your cameras to the limit, the mkII will be better, but most of the time, the original R5 will produce the same output, at nearly half the cost. This is no criticism of the R5 mkII, just an observation on it, as a photographic tool. I agree with Tony, that we's at a point, where we're not going to see quantum leaps, like say the original R5 over the 5D mkIV. I think cameras will still improve a lot, and over several generations, we'll see even better cameras, but not from one generation to the next, as cameras are reaching that good enough level, without serious limitations.
As you said, r5 does maybe 80% of what the r5mkii can does…but only in photo…when you add the video parts, maybe the 80% will drop to 50%. C-log2 + 8k60raw and 4k60raw is a game changer…so if you are only photographers, yes maybe you don’t need to upgrade now, nut of you are a true hybrid shooter, I will upgrade without hesitation
@@stephenbarlow2493 To be honest I don't fully agree. Camera tech is still miles away from replicating the capabilities of our eyes. Mainly how we can see in low light and the dynamic range we are able to capture. Also high quality gear it's still way too big and way too heavy. And way too expensive.
no! you prioritise other things in you life over owning gear. Bet you think holidays, cars, housing, kids, eating and going out are more important than gear, Ken Rockwell has a page on his site 'how to afford anything' AND HES RIGHT!
Opportunity cost. What are you willing to give up to afford what you want. I no longer get coffee from a coffee shop (or whatever it is that you do on a daily basis that you’re spending the slightest amount of money on), I saved a couple thousand in 7 months! if you gave up your vice for a year, how much can you save?
@@MrWhatsHisFace2along these lines how much harder are you willing to work? Take the side gig, work overtime, sell other assets or something else. Plenty of ways or you could just wait a few years when it falls to less then half of what it costs today.
Get yourself a G9ii. Been testing it out for a few weeks - amazing Autofocus, 25MP, 60fps in raw, Pre-Burst, 4k 120fps no crop etc etc. £1600....makes this look like a bad joke BUT.... If you can afford one then get one! £5k is like £5 to me for some people!
@@suchetdas5392as a nikon shooter for 9 years now on the z9, the z9 does not offer uncompressed 14 bit raw at all. You have 3 different compression modes for 14 bit, but a 45mpx 14 bit raw should be around 85-90 mb, not 55-60 that you get with largest raw
The Z8 manual says that the flash sync speed is 1/200th, not 1/160th. The Canon R5 MII is 1/200 mechanical, 1/250 electronic 1st curtain shutter according to the spec sheet. The other thing is that in a studio, if you're exposing for the flash well then the actual duration of the flash is what freezes the action, a Godox V1 has an effective flash duration is about 1/1440 sec at full power, and it gets quicker the less power you use (there is a website that has measured it with a Sekonic L-858D). The shutter speed will mainly benefit in preventing camera shake but 1/200 would be enough for that. Both cameras can do HSS.
I have the R5 MK1 and will keep it. Over the past two years I have concentrated on moving to the best glass rather than worrying about an alternate camera body.
It would be nice if Z8 and R5II forces Sony to release their stacked sensor camera around 4000$ mark. Or maybe they will just release A1 II and then drop price of A1 to 4000 price point, their market segmentation on all of their lineups is done by keeping old models in production so that would fit quite well into their strategy.
The megapixel race ended a decade ago, because every youtuber complained about it. Canon's highest resolution camera is from 2015. And 24 MP is still the standard resolution 12 years after it became a mainstream resolution.
Possibly, but when using generative-Ai add and -remove, my images upload to the Adobe servers and get processed there. They will always be lightyears ahead of what you can put in a camera, unless of course the camera also uploads to the cloud. But editing on a 3.x inch camera really sucks. Since I fiddle around in Adobe and Topaz for about 10 minutes to make each shot perfect, that is simply not doable on a camera. Leave it for the smartphones. At least they have much bigger screens.
but you need a big big memory card to hold those images inflated by the Built-in A.I. right? Still this is not a major problem as nowadays there are more than enough huge capacity memory cards available in the market, my concern is how long would it take to complete the size enlargement and can the camera continue to take photos during the enlargement process???
3:48 This is false. CineD measured the rolling shutter of the Nikon Z9 at 14.5ms in both 7680×4320 25p and 4k ProRes HQ, and at 4.9ms in full-frame 4k 120.
5:50 For wedding photography, where you want the files visible during the wedding already. Just because you have no use for it, does not mean no one has, even if it does not work on anything.
As I was thinking, it is kinda unbelievably narrow-minded for him to judge like that. And also to my understanding, it is not a function that HAS TO be on. You simply do not use it if you don’t want touse it, for me it is nice to have that option and I can see a few occasions where I might want to use this. Plus, I think it is a nice thing/direction/trend for Canon to catch on the AI era. Coz compared to our other IT devices, cameras are the ones that definitely need to be more “intelligent “.
As a canon R6 II user here I’m not tempted at all with these new cameras except for the 45mp on the R5 II. But to be perfectly honest I don’t need 45mp! The files are too large, I’m waiting for Canon to release a 35mp full frame… god damn is that ever going to happen??!! Anyone else wanting this?
How about this as a feature: Eye AF Burst FS, the camera takes a photo of every person in the frame with their eye in focus, and does a focus stack of the images, use it to photo groups of people, having every face in focus, but keep a blurry background, since it can be taken at a lower f stop than the usual group pic. I think it would be more useful than the upscaling or denoise crap.
As primarily a studio shooter, I could never give up my 60mp goodness of the A7Rv. Even with on location shoots, being able to crop way in is so helpful. I could care less about frame rate, I am never in a situation where I would need more than 10 frames per second, especially when the files are 60 megapixels and I have to go through and cull them when I edit. Spray and pray photography is for amateurs. Finally having two type A card slots on the a7rv is freaking amazing, the pictures load on double cards immediately. That is a huge deal.
Spray & pray is for sports & wildlife shooters. I imagine soeme editorial/news reporters could use it. Relax, no apologies needed. It’s not hard to overlook other peoples needs when you have tunnel vision being focused on only your needs.
How is Tony not getting pre-productions! This is one of the biggest channels on cameras and most detailed reviewers. I’m not a super fan but appreciate the level of detail that goes into the work.
@@AzarathGirl123 I figured it might be related to his brutal honesty. But still, his viewership is huge and whether he likes a camera or not people will still buy it from his review. Getting pre-released gear isn't being sponsored because he'll send it back anyway. Their loss though.
@@DreamReleases I dont think I was explaining anything, I was agreeing with the other comment that perhaps Canon get a little nervous by criticism and followed up by saying it shouldnt matter. If they put their best effort out then they should let the public decide whether they have a hit or miss. Definitely Tony should get pre-productions and not have to buy the cameras himself, he's very well respected.
I would love to hear a regular person's reaction to the way we talk about gear on CZcams, where everything is the greatest camera we've seen or has so many flaws that make it unusable. The reality is that the current class of cameras are excellent and we all need to dial back some of the rhetoric. We're at a point where every channel grades every camera on how well they shoot sports, when only a small percentage of us (which is already a small group) shoot sports. Most people buying these cameras are going to shoot a wedding, an event, some landscapes, shooting video of something relatively slow paced or portraits.
Personally, I think we've been at the point where pretty much every camera, from every OEM since the Canon 5D is pretty damn good. At some point, it has to come down to the person behind the camera. Sure there are various bells and whistles that make the cameras more user friendly and able to get great shots, but if someone can't get good pics and/or video from cameras on the market today (regardless of the OEM), then maybe photography is not for them.
I wholeheartedly agree. It has gotten out of hand. One day the gear matters, the next it’s about the photographer. Let’s spend weeks speculating about a camera and when it’s not what we expect, it’s a failure 😂
I’m no wedding or event photographer, but I assume fast AF would be a huge benefit to make sure the important shots were captured. As someone with a small child who has attempted photography at school events, I want the fastest AF possible.
So I purchased a Canon R6 Mark II to replace my R7. It is hands down my favorite camera I have ever used for shooting wildlife. Flexibility of autofocus system and how well it tracks and nails focus is nothing short of amazing. But this new R5 II is basically a R6 II with electronic mode dial and 45 BSI sensor with more than twice as fast read out speed as R6II or R5. Then add one of the most sophisticated autofocus systems available and 30 fps Raw and what is not to love on this camera. That new action sport mode is very interesting, why couldn't you add birds and wildlife also? Load images just like you can people if you want to target certain species. Also 14 bit Raw on all photo's is also very welcome. Also some pretty great Video specs as well. I can't wait, my dream camera for wildlife.
If you're talking about R1, simply having more MP like Z9 would be even better. And before anyone complains about heavy files from Z9, Nikon also offers a high efficiency RAW that keeps the file sizes to about the same as normal 24mp RAWs.
5D IV user here. All I wanted was a 4 axis flip screen like the Sony and Nikons. Seems like a missed opportunity for Canon for a feature that can have a big impact on user experience.
@@bradw4773 yea, I’ve been waiting for this to drop bc I need to go mirrorless and they didn’t solve the main issue from the last one? That’s crazy! Might as well get the R6ii and save money.
@@bradw4773 people switching for the screen is really funny to read. I personally don't like 4 axis flip screen but it's not one reason I would consider before changing brand.
Funny. The Person priority feature is the big selling point, why I would buy a R5II over an R5. I am often fotographing my girlfriend at sports competitions and there are MANY people in the frame. I always want her in focus if she's in the frame. This is an absolute gamechanger for me. I know at least the A7RV has a similar feature, but I have tested it with a freind's A7RV (before he sold his Sony equipment for a Z8) and it was kinda unreliable. Tests will show if the feature is well designed this time. If so - take my money Canon :D
I still cannot believe they showed off 150 and 250 MP sensors *years ago,* yet Canon has yet to bring that tech to market. Mirrorless is a great home for that kind of resolution; we have the compute ability and fast enough storage these days to really make a compelling camera around that kind of resolution. I remember when Canon was a company that *out of nowhere* took its 5D Mark III and said "look at what we can do when we let the engineering department run wild" and gave us the 5DS R, which more than doubled resolution and set the 50MP resolution bar as a shot across the bow of the other manufacturers *IN 2016.* Where is that Canon today?! Also, the original R5 cost $3899, but this mild refresh is now worth $400 more at $4299??? I remember when the 5D Mark IV cost $100 more to get the 24-70 f/4 thrown in at launch.
I think it’s just shy of the total number of pixels of FHD due to different aspect ratio - the vertical is better than FHD (1200 vs 1080) but horizontal is shy (1600 vs 1920), however it’s almost the same total - 5.76m = 1600x1200 = 1.92million pixels Full HD = 1920x1080 = 2.07milion pixels. Interestingly, the 9.44m dot EVF of the R1 is 2048x1536=3.15million pixels… not the ~2x difference that the 9.44m name suggests, a bit misleading really!
@@julianschneider.berlin dots and pixels are different! 1 pixel = 3 dots (R,G,B), so the number of ‘dots’ is very misleading (making it sound way better than it is). 5.76m dot EVF = 1600x1200 pixels = 1.92m pixels. 1.92x3=5.76m dots. A quick Google of ‘5.76m dot resolution’ will confirm this, it’s the camera companies trying to make it sound way higher resolution than it actually is!
A new game changer feature is the ability to capture a range of focus points and store it in a special RAW file where in post editing you can select or even combine the best possible focused photo or best bokeh. Great for large aperture photography
Did the Custom White Balance on video mode improve? Or I still need to go tho photo mode, take a picture, go back to video mode and use the photo as a reference?
It still overheats though. Kai and Lok tested it with 4K for 40 minutes. Fan grip is a must and it's added cost. The dumb thing is the fan grip doesn't have shutter button.
That alone made me not want it. Can’t believe they didn’t fully fix the overheating issue before launching a whole new camera after several years of development and other brands have it with no heating issues.
@@ryanpallotta5 Just search for Kai's review for R5II in youtube. As for now, it's still overheating and hopefully firmware update will fix it. Canon knows it'll overheat and sell the fan grip. What is the reason for the fan grip other than that?
I dont know what it is with Canon, they seem to give with one hand and then take with the other.... eg they've added Full HDMI, added stacked sensor and faster readout speed but then still keep the slower SD slot instead of have two CF slots to allow for redundancy...thereby slowing down the camera if wanting to have recording to two slots The Neural Denoise and Upscaling are just gimmicks in the body as you alleviate too, its the same with manufacturers and pixel-shift - how many people are really going to be using that (especially outside locations when the weather has an affect on items being blown about) The different battery grips and battery types (some functionality cant be used if you dont have the specific battery mounted). The cooling vents seems just to be a 'quick fix' instead of a total redesign of the body
I've had nearly every iteration of the 5D (5D, 5Dmk2, 5Dmk3, 5DSR, 5Dmk4 and R5). But I think I might skip this one don't really see much to justify the purchase as a purely stills shooter. I'm not unhappy with that, it's mainly because the R5 is already great.
Seems like an amazing camera. If it has the apparent stickiness to the subject that the new R1 has that'll be amazing. I think it's best features are in the viewfinder, rear screen, c-log2, cooling solutions, frames per second, dynamic range and Canon colours.
I think the AI noise and upscaling are features if you want to share photos directly with an editor/publisher straight from the venue. The upscaling is more useful for R1 if you want to crop it and the noise reduction is more useful for R1, but they shared both features on the two cameras.
I really don't find the Z8 heavy. It's bang on and feels so much better built than the competition. This thing in the UK is £1200 ($1500 US) more than the price I was able to buy my Z8 new. The world has gone mad and Canon are leading the way in the madness department....... especially with the R1. £7000($9000 US) for a 24mp camera.
@@eldengard23 For sure, but since when did 200g become an issue? 200g is about the weight of my iPhone. I understand that it all adds up, but we don’t carry that many camera bodies at one time. It reminds me of the Nikon 14-30 f/4 vs the 14-24 f/2.8 weight difference debate. The 14-30 is described as lightweight but at 175g more, the 14-24 has its weight listed as a con. What total nonsense. Light gathering costs money and weighs more, this isn’t a con. Anybody that finds the Z8 heavy, needs a gym membership. Which you will be able to afford with what you save buying the Z8.
@@300ShadesofGreen Spot on mate. I carried around a D850 for years before that and the Z8 feels light. And I live and shoot landscapes in the Highlands. I'm always hiking with it up bloody mountains!
I mean, I agree about weight. I'm a little confused about the prices that you're naming. Perhaps localization (UK cost is more) plus price deflation are playing a very large role here, but the initial retail price of Z8 was ~$4k and R5ii is ~$4.3k. I will agree with you that the Z8 seems the better value proposition (probably the best in Nikon's lineup), but maybe compare new price v new price (not the huge markdown of the Z8 which I guess means it's lost a lot of its initial value for some reason?), and also don't include conversion to USD when the prices in US / CA / AU, etc are quite different and not so extreme... And yeah the R1 seems a bit underwhelming for the cost! :S
For me, photography gives me a satisfaction when i catch a precious moment. I had used cameras from different manufacturers like Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Olympus. I ended up keeping my Fujifilm X-T5. Truly it is not on par with other models in terms of performance but i have been having much fun with it.
Hey Tony, here’s the use for uploading a photo for the auto focus. I take photos of my son playing basketball and my daughter playing volleyball and I don’t really care about anyone else on the court so I just want to focus always on them so this is great for me, but probably not so much a professionalphotographer photographing a sports event in general
The pixel shift makes a lot more sense, and I know some companies have done a really good implementation of it that can be handheld so that would be more useful than artificial resolution increases
Geese, talk about fanboys. Didn’t know I’d trigger some sensitive Canon lovers with this comment. Didn’t even trash talk Canon, just said something positive about the Z8. Relax.
I'm excited for it. Ready to retire my 5D MKIV and move my R5 to my 2nd camera. Fingers crossed that the electronic shutter becomes useful for me. I have used the mechanical on the R5 95% of the time for the rolling shutter on action and wildlife shots and more information in the RAW files. While I like the fan grip option, I hate that you lose the vertical controls.
I appreciate your authentic, brutal, and passionate reviews Tony. Keep up the fantastic work! As an event photographer, I use a Sony A7r5. The only reason I'd switch to the new Canon is if the eye-control was bulletproof and the low-light autofocus performance was greatly improved over my A7r5. The remaining characteristics of the Canon R5 Mk II are insufficient to justify switching from my Sony.
The Person Priority can be useful for sports and concert photography; If I want to focus on the lead singer as he moves around the stage and band members, especially as the lights make the focus lose the person sometimes (if it gets completely dark for example). so maybe its not right for wedding photographers but for some it will be a very nice feature.
The simultaneous stills is really the only feature that would really interest me but it ought to do it in 4k recording modes as well. So that's a bummer.
Photography is like dating. You can spend your life chasing perfection, or you can settle down with something that may not be perfect, but it's faithful and reliable, and you can create something beautiful.
Only big leap left for cameras is a global shutter. Glad to see Sony introducing it. R52 Mechanical is still stuck at 12fps but they’ll master the electronic readout.
I guess you got have an error in your weight comparison. You compared R5 without battery to the A1 with battery. According to the Canon website the weight of the R5 II increased slightly by 6g compared to the Mark I.
Love the video. My R5 is great for bird photography in most cases. Getting rid of the rolling shutter would be a reason to switch but I’ll wait for the next gen. For Weddings the original is still a great option.
@TonyAndChelsea Would love the see a wildlife / sports shooter comparison of "1 body + 1 lens" shootout for the same price point. For example, For $7500 , Canon gets you R5II + EF 100-500 - a pretty compelling combo! How would a Nikon or Sony perform for the same money ?
But if you are in eye-AF, you can't tell it to use a specific focus point. You have to switch out of eye-AF to do it. If you use eye-AF + pre-registered faces, you get the best of both worlds.
I think its a great camera, and if has a lot of advantages over Sony & Nikon when it comes to locking on subjects for video. Paired with the 100-300 2.8, Sony has no answer for maintaining focus on a specific player or subject. Great video, Tony!!
I wouldn't bash canon for trying to innovate, especially when they are not forcing it on anyone. I don't want to go back to the days when Canon removes already established features to make their higher end cameras look better. Let's just hope these features get better, the concept of eye controlled AF could be the next best thing. Best regards, A concerned Sony shooter
If you ever do a proper comparison, with all cameras in hand, please also test the buffer. 30 FPS raw is amazing, but according to the specs, it's only doing 93 frames when using a CF-Express card, before the buffer fills. My Z8 never hits the buffer with 20 FPS lossless RAW, 1000 frames plus, at least. Depending on how low the speed drops after filling the buffer, that could be a huge disadvantage for wildlife.
I think there's one big leap in camera technology ahead of us - computational photography like we have in our smartphones. They made a huge leap in image quality with small sensor cameras, I'm kind of surprised it's taken us this long and we still don't have the same technology in our large sensor cameras.
For 35mm, in many areas, sensor tech has flatlined. Better dynamic range, 16 bit RAW. Those are now the preserve of larger sensor formats. Focusing tech is one area that is definitely improving. If camera manufacturers want to get people to migrate from smartphones, they need to focus on better feature sets and ergonomics. But will that ever happen?
One point you I didn't hear you mention: The in-camera AI functions (noise removal and upscaling) result in jpeg files. End of workflow. They are not good for continuing the workflow in Lightroom, etc.
Oh. I think your rant on Face Recognition perhaps did not take into account Sports Team shooters. If you want to concentrate on one or two or three players first and foremost, the AF will keep focussed on the Registered Faces almost instantaneously (faster than your brain can work out which face), when players run past each other, like in Basket Ball etc. Being able to pick up who you really want to stay focussed on instantly and continuously, faster than your own brain can work will be a massive feature for R5 MkII users.
Awesome camera! Registering 10 faces in a camera is a big plus feature. It may not be an everyday application that we use, but it's nice to know it's an advancement of technology. I just wish they added more megapixels to the EOS R5 Mark II, say around 15 mega. So it's a 60 mega pixels all in all. The 8K video is a bonus, but they should have made the storage both CF express card since we are dealing with big data in using 8K video. Overall, in my humble opinion, EOS R5 Mark II is a better pick than the EOS R1 or the R3.
I'm a little disappointed with the cooling solution for the r5II. Two years ago, I wanted to upgrade from my trusty Canon 7Dmkii, and I'm very glad I went with the Sony A7RV. It does everything I need very well. I'm now super excited to see what's going to be in the new Sony A7R6 and see how it competes with the r5ii.
This is your Weekly reminder that Canon has had a 250mp sensor for almost 10 years, and a 100mp sensor for 14 years. If they wanted to give you a photo centric camera they could do so in a heartbeat.
Regarding AI upscaling: The R5 Mark I got a HighRes mode with a firmware update. For me it looked like a beta version and I did not understand why the published it. However: As far as I could figure out this mode was removed with the R5 Mark II. That could mean there is a HighRes R Camera in the pipeline. Or it could mean Canon was not able to implement it in high quality. So they decided to ship the camera with an AI upscaling - just for those who wanted the HiRes mode in the Mark II.
Not to detract from this amazingly convenient summary of info, thank you for that, but what's going on with the framerate in this video? Sometimes duplicated, other times tripled frames. Hitching all over the place. No dropped frames on my end, it's encoded in the video. You can see it clearly when you go frame by frame.
A pair of Gen 4 Type B memory card slots would be a pretty big leap. Quad pixel autofocus would be a big leap. 60mp would have been a substantial leap. Not needing a cooling grip would have been a big leap. Not having functions that don't work without a battery grip would have been a big leap.
Sensor tech and overall speed may have plateaued, but Improvements can still be made with adding anti-theft features, modern communications, integrated memory, and adding a modern user interface (like an android device) in conjunction with excellent physical controls, (MCFA) Make Cameras Fun Again and less sterile to use etc.
The R5 II is definitely a camera to perform very well. At $4,300 USD, there are other options to choose from, such as the first Canon R5 with the 24-105mm f4 lens for $4,000 USD or the Nikon Z8 with the 24-120mm f4 lens for $4,400 USD. For the money, someone must really need the R5 II for professional work to overlook the other options.
I still shoot the 5D III, so this is my upgrade cycle and bought within the first 5 minutes. I’m very happy, except for the extra $300 at the last minute.
"the z8 has a faster readout speed if you're worried about rolling shutter, BUT the R5 is better for video because you have a flip screen, so you can film yourself"
I'm going to wait until the first bugs and glitches have been dealt with (just remember the overheating issues at the R5's launch), but I will get the R5mII eventually. I love the R6mII, but in some situations the 24MP can be a bit limiting. Same with clog3 and only 10bit RAW when shooting at 40fps. And having wished one too many times to be able to just look at the object that I want to focus on, I really want that Eye-AF. Those two camera bodies are going to meet every demand that I could ever have regarding photography and videography. The R1 seems a bit too pricey, but getting the R5mII at a 10% discount or so actually feels pretty fair to me, considering its specs.
Well, I think there are still some leaps to make: like a triple base ISO (Cannon c400), global shutter at high res, integrated ND and IBIS (sony burano), this all of course in a hybrid body not a cinema camera.
I am an amateur photographer who shoots a Canon 5D Mark III and a 5DSR. Like so many like me, I have a small fortune invested in Canon EF L lenses. What is your opinion about using a Canon lens adapter to attach EF L lenses to the R5 Mark II? Would you expect that to have a major impact on the R5 Mark II autofocus and other functions?
The dumbest thing might be that they spent all that effort on useless AI stuff, but didn't build in any computational features that even cheap smartphones have these days
I think only really useful computational photography feature is in camera focus stacking (but only if it keeps originals too in case you need to adjust for artefacts). Maybe also in camera pixel shift stiching. Other than that computational photography is mostly just gimmicks that arent really interesting, simmilar to in camera upscaling and denoise.
Tip don't pre order save up your pocket money by a cheap ticket to Japan Tokyo and a good hotel take a near empty suitcase fly over buy the camera for half price post the boxes back to your self return with camera in camera back still save money 😅 and a belly full of good food and some amazing pictures lol
Last time I was in Tokyo, prices of cameras were more expensive than back home. Some brands only have local versions with menus that are locked to Japanese language. Then you have the lack of international warranty issue...
at what point does it not matter anymore... aside from maybe the eye autofocus, assuming it works, is something to be excited about but other than that I don't get why anyone would upgrade. Oh look, we took this already almost flawless autofocus system and made it a little bit more flawless, Plus now we have locust eye recognition for dedicated insect photographers
And you can get a z8 for 3500 new, 3200 refurbished, and around 2800-3000 used. You can also get a z9 refurbished straight from nikon for 4500 and a used one from 3900-4500
registering a face does not mean a camera will focus only on that person : it will primarily focus on that person but the camera will always follow your eye movement to focus on the person you are looking at ...
I don't understand why you get so much hate. Your points are always spot on. There is little reason for Canon to have these AI features other than being able to tell their shareholders that they're jumping onto the AI hype train.
I've an R5 (love it) as my main camera as I mostly shoot Landscapes but have an R6 Mkii as my backup camera and for wildlife so I think any spend I do will be on glass. I recall a lot of pros jumped from their Sony A7Riii's to A7Rv's and wonder if that's going to be more of the pattern now. Some will always upgrade to latest camera/phone/car whilst others are quite happy to skip 1 or two models and then upgrade when the cumulative gains add up to something significant?
Global shutter will be the next bigger step for all brands with the same DR as current sensors. Also, a huge jump in better noise levels at higher ISO would be welcome some day...
I must say this is intriguing! The read out speeds scare me!! "Almost as good" means I might almost be able to use the photo. The A1 handles hummingbird wings and prop plane propellers like a champ. Not to mention baseballs and bats as well as golf clubs etc. There is no way I'm blindly switching till I see these results. I'm not ordering you to do them lol but it sure would be great if you did. 🙂
Well, advance in technology and features is always a welcome thing, because over time, the difference in features and capabilities of an equipment becomes significant. And I guess 99% photographers (and that includes me) barely survive to make a living through photography, to be able to upgrade with every new release. I do weddings, travel and landscape, and currently the 5D Mk4 is my primary camera. In many cases, when not doing professional shoots, I still carry my 5D Mk2 with me, and usually return with great shots. Here are my general thoughts, which I believe is applicable to most professional photographers: 1. I guess it's an extremely small niche of photographer (less than 1% ) who ACTUALLY require features like 1000 fps, or 20000 MP etc etc etc.. Most of us DESIRE to have such features because it makes us feel good, but rarely have any ACTUAL need of it. 2. I don't think I would ever switch from Canon to any other brand, irrespective of the features or price (within reasonable range), as the overall cost of switching is unfathomable for me. I guess this applies to lots of photographers (has nothing to do with loyalty). Though I do have several colleagues and team members who have switched to new brands every year (though there is no difference in the quality of their work or business). HENCE, while it is good to do cross-brand comparison, I doubt it has any practical impact on people actually switching brands (I agree a lot of people switched to Sony around 2016-2017, but that I because they revolutionised the Mirrorless market, and Canon/ Nikon were caught on the back foot). 3. After a certain level of technology improvement, I am mostly looking for ease of use and additional logistical features in my camera. for e.g. a fully rotating screen, ease of carrying the camera, a better/easier way to fit ND filter kit around the lens etc etc etc (basically features that are NOT technical in nature). 4. Auto focus (speed, accuracy and ease of switching btn modes of AF) is the only real game in photography. The rest is just fluff (I know I am exaggerating here). 5. The largest print that I or any of my clients have ever printed is 24x36 inches, so ideally a 12 megapixel camera suffices. At one end, camera manufacturers and constantly competing on 'my camera has more megapixels than yours', the end consumer is only switching to smaller and smaller screens for viewing their content. On any modern phone, 1920x1080 footage is more than acceptable. For a camera, 24 megapixels is the idea sweet spot, which I think Canon has aptly realised. 6. I and most of my peers/ friends have modern TVs and phones, but I dont think any of us have ever watched a 4K footage or channel. Even for YT channels that shoot in 4k, I switch to 1080p. We are probably a decade away from mass adoption of the 'need' to watch anything in 4K. So the ability to shoot in 6k or 8k is more of a need for the photographer/ videographer to be able to crop during editing, rather than a need for the viewer to watch in that resolution. I am aware this sounds extreme, but feel it's more of a practical approach. If I were a YT reviewer, I'd probably nit-pick every feature of every camera and shred it to pieces for not meeting 'our' expectations, but atleast in my mind, I'd be very clear about what needs to be said on camera (becuz thats what people want to hear) versus what I'd practically do. Phew.
I hope the R5 Mk2 can retain its high FPS until the battery runs out. It is always daft when you can only use a feature when the battery is above 80%, especially when this information is hidden away deep in the footnotes.
Is connectivity in a camera a tough nut to crack or something? It's crazy that a $200 smartphone has magnitudes better connectivity than a $6000 camera.
What they need to do is come up with a new camera body that is wider which can support 2 lenses of your choice. So, you can switch between 2 focal ranges, or switch to a low light lens and variable zoom lens. You may be able to use image averaging built into the camera with two lenses to achieve better low light images, improved autofocus in difficult situations, and even stereoscopic imaging such as 3D photos and videos. This would benefit people who swap between 2 camera bodies just because its faster to switch lenses. This way it's faster, simpler, and 1 camera body lighter. Imagine using the camera to take a wildlife telescopic photos and a wide shot of the same image at the same time or taking 2 photos at 2 different shutter speeds such as a fast-moving car with a blurry background and a sharp background. It's literally 2 cameras fused together. They can also make these in a smaller mount such as a micro four thirds to make it even more compact and lighter. Another biggest problem we have right now is there is not options for a long zoom range lens that is pocketable. Camcorders are the closest thing we have and zoom lens reflex cameras. But I don't see them around anymore. Our phones don't do this besides the Samsung S24. And even that phone is not as easy to handle as a camera while being really expensive. I want to see a pocketable or compact zoom range lens with 350mm (10x), 420mm (12x) or 525mm (15x) zoom.
I agree that for most of the time you would prefer Ai denoise on the computer. But let's say you need to share that photo right away. Then I would ai denoise in the camera and then copy to my phone and then share. Or let's say you're at a concert and are so far away. Use the camera ai up scaling to 200mp and then crop down to the stage while adding the AI denoise. Then copy to phone and share
Most I wanted: higher resolution sensor, RAW high res mode and faster maximum shutter speed. I got higher shutter speed but I doubt I will upgrade my R5. Will probably wait for R5 Mark III and hope they bring some 65+ MP sensor. Great camera for sure but not so big upgrade from R5 really. I think my money goes towards new lenses as those last usually better than camera bodies.
I use the face registry thing on Sony. I don't think it works, BUT it does blow the bride and groom away every. single. time. They get so much relief by the simple act of being registered with the camera. Sony and R5II users, try it. I swear by it. Not because it works, but because it FEELS like it COULD work to the average person.
Interesting.
Well we watched Canon's version work right here on the internet. And team USA Olympic photographers have reported that the Canon's version works superbly.
My wife will be upset when she see her 3rd in priority 😂
I have it set up on my A7Riv, and it definitely works for my daughter. Assuming like most things, mileage may vary.
@@DreamReleases I've seen a lot of things on the internet.
A camera’s job is to capture images. Don’t waste AI on making it a PC. Use the AI to better capture focus and process shadows.
Listen. I just want Steam on it. I wanna play Elden Ring between shots. I'm not asking a lot, here. This is a computer and it has buttons and a joystick.
You can play Pokemon Gold with the Sony a6500
lol you r sick
I bet it can run doom but will it run Crysis?
Microsoft Flight Simulator ?
Damn.
They need to add anti theft tech
Yeah I cut it from the video but I ranted for like 3 minutes straight about how they wasted their software development budget on in-camera AI post-processing. WTF.
@@TonyAndChelsea literally no one wants their camera to track them except retirees on vacation
@@TonyAndChelsea they could have been the first but nooooooooo they wont Listen to Tony! Come on Canon at least do that! (But I wonder Tony, could it be a liability issue?)
That would be cool. I currently use smallrig mounts for my airtags, but that eats up valuable space on my cage, and I often remove it to add more essential accessories.
@@cybervehicle I hate to break it to you, but if you carry a cell phone or smart watch you’re already been tracked. Unless you disable tracking on it.😊
Face recognition could be nice with a custom button to activate it. You save the face of the groom and bride in the morning of the wedding and if they are in a crowd with friends at the party you hit the custom button to lock on to their faces in the crowd. I see some use cases for it.
Weird that they haven't actually implimented that.
@@BrianHallmond Weird is that Canon implemented Face Recognition in the R3 over a year ago.
about time someone called out the A1 for being grossly overpriced!
The price should have been lowered over the years. Right now, it’s definitely overpriced and I think Sony will release a camera around 4200$ to compete with the R5ii and the Z8. They kinda have to now
Not for it's time. But the problem is the price never got a cut to today's standards
@@raphxwb That's what I've been saying and really hoping for. Maybe the next A1ii or the A7V or heck the A7RVI who knows but sony now has to release something to compete with the Z8 and R5ii and hopefully in the next few months we'll see that happen.
If someone wants the focus on his kids, playing with other kids, then registering the faces from your kids makes a big difference.
Ya this rant was a bit extra
That makes so much sense actually!
Pets too.
Friends performing.
Exactly. Or you’re shooting a football match where a new player makes a debut or a superstar like Messi plays. It’s a choice to use this so I don’t see a problem.
@@Jackscrj He had to rant about it, provided he didn't get invited by canon for this launch.
Sony and Nikon had that feature on entry level cameras for a while
There is no doubt that the R5 mkII, is probably the best all round camera there is on the market, and for those who need some of its features and can afford it, it is a no brainer. But I agree with Tony, that for most people, the original R5 will do most of what the R5 mkII does, with the same resolution. In other words, even for a top photographer, with demanding needs, in most case scenarios, the output of the original R5, will be near identical to the R5 mkII. Yes, if you push your cameras to the limit, the mkII will be better, but most of the time, the original R5 will produce the same output, at nearly half the cost. This is no criticism of the R5 mkII, just an observation on it, as a photographic tool. I agree with Tony, that we's at a point, where we're not going to see quantum leaps, like say the original R5 over the 5D mkIV. I think cameras will still improve a lot, and over several generations, we'll see even better cameras, but not from one generation to the next, as cameras are reaching that good enough level, without serious limitations.
I completely agree with you.
It shows how great the R5 is still today! Mine will be good for atleast 3-5 more years
jello rolling shutter is a deal breaker.
As you said, r5 does maybe 80% of what the r5mkii can does…but only in photo…when you add the video parts, maybe the 80% will drop to 50%. C-log2 + 8k60raw and 4k60raw is a game changer…so if you are only photographers, yes maybe you don’t need to upgrade now, nut of you are a true hybrid shooter, I will upgrade without hesitation
@@stephenbarlow2493 To be honest I don't fully agree. Camera tech is still miles away from replicating the capabilities of our eyes. Mainly how we can see in low light and the dynamic range we are able to capture. Also high quality gear it's still way too big and way too heavy. And way too expensive.
And here i am watching something i cannot ever afford🥲
Same here adding to wish list😅
no! you prioritise other things in you life over owning gear. Bet you think holidays, cars, housing, kids, eating and going out are more important than gear, Ken Rockwell has a page on his site 'how to afford anything' AND HES RIGHT!
Opportunity cost. What are you willing to give up to afford what you want. I no longer get coffee from a coffee shop (or whatever it is that you do on a daily basis that you’re spending the slightest amount of money on), I saved a couple thousand in 7 months! if you gave up your vice for a year, how much can you save?
@@MrWhatsHisFace2along these lines how much harder are you willing to work? Take the side gig, work overtime, sell other assets or something else. Plenty of ways or you could just wait a few years when it falls to less then half of what it costs today.
Get yourself a G9ii. Been testing it out for a few weeks - amazing Autofocus, 25MP, 60fps in raw, Pre-Burst, 4k 120fps no crop etc etc.
£1600....makes this look like a bad joke BUT....
If you can afford one then get one! £5k is like £5 to me for some people!
The electronic shutter now shoots in full 14 bit raw.
@@thelensmanphotography just like the 3 year old Sony A1 and Z9 lol
@@tonygerassi1502 Z9 sucks. No mechanical shutter, bad af.
@@tonygerassi1502yeah but then they are almost double the r5ii price?
The A1 does not shoot 14 bit RAW at 30 FPS, it shoots 12 bit RAW. The Z9 does 14 bit RAW at 20 FPS max. Get your facts right.
@@suchetdas5392as a nikon shooter for 9 years now on the z9, the z9 does not offer uncompressed 14 bit raw at all. You have 3 different compression modes for 14 bit, but a 45mpx 14 bit raw should be around 85-90 mb, not 55-60 that you get with largest raw
The Z8 manual says that the flash sync speed is 1/200th, not 1/160th. The Canon R5 MII is 1/200 mechanical, 1/250 electronic 1st curtain shutter according to the spec sheet. The other thing is that in a studio, if you're exposing for the flash well then the actual duration of the flash is what freezes the action, a Godox V1 has an effective flash duration is about 1/1440 sec at full power, and it gets quicker the less power you use (there is a website that has measured it with a Sekonic L-858D). The shutter speed will mainly benefit in preventing camera shake but 1/200 would be enough for that. Both cameras can do HSS.
I have the R5 MK1 and will keep it. Over the past two years I have concentrated on moving to the best glass rather than worrying about an alternate camera body.
Seems like a very compelling all-rounder. Sony needs a competitor in this price point that combines high resolution and speed.
It would be nice if Z8 and R5II forces Sony to release their stacked sensor camera around 4000$ mark. Or maybe they will just release A1 II and then drop price of A1 to 4000 price point, their market segmentation on all of their lineups is done by keeping old models in production so that would fit quite well into their strategy.
@@anupew3276 They got rid of the a9ii, so I don't think they'll keep the sony A1 when the mark 2 comes out.
@Carthodon What? The a9ii is still around, and I'm sure they'll keep the a1 around. The question is: how much will they drop the price?
@@RG-rm9jt Its weird that my original response got blocked. Sony officially discontinued the a9ii.
@@CarthodonSony’s after you ?
I think ai features in cameras gonna be the new "my camera has more mp than yours".
The megapixel race ended a decade ago, because every youtuber complained about it. Canon's highest resolution camera is from 2015. And 24 MP is still the standard resolution 12 years after it became a mainstream resolution.
Possibly, but when using generative-Ai add and -remove, my images upload to the Adobe servers and get processed there. They will always be lightyears ahead of what you can put in a camera, unless of course the camera also uploads to the cloud. But editing on a 3.x inch camera really sucks. Since I fiddle around in Adobe and Topaz for about 10 minutes to make each shot perfect, that is simply not doable on a camera. Leave it for the smartphones. At least they have much bigger screens.
but you need a big big memory card to hold those images inflated by the Built-in A.I. right? Still this is not a major problem as nowadays there are more than enough huge capacity memory cards available in the market, my concern is how long would it take to complete the size enlargement and can the camera continue to take photos during the enlargement process???
I'd rather have more megapixels then some ai crap
Looks horrible though, hopefully you can turn that crap off. Don't want the images and video to look shit like an iPhone.
3:48
This is false.
CineD measured the rolling shutter of the Nikon Z9 at 14.5ms in both 7680×4320 25p and 4k ProRes HQ, and at 4.9ms in full-frame 4k 120.
You've come to this channel for correct info??
My sweet summer child...
5:50 For wedding photography, where you want the files visible during the wedding already. Just because you have no use for it, does not mean no one has, even if it does not work on anything.
As I was thinking, it is kinda unbelievably narrow-minded for him to judge like that. And also to my understanding, it is not a function that HAS TO be on. You simply do not use it if you don’t want touse it, for me it is nice to have that option and I can see a few occasions where I might want to use this. Plus, I think it is a nice thing/direction/trend for Canon to catch on the AI era. Coz compared to our other IT devices, cameras are the ones that definitely need to be more “intelligent “.
@@xinyileemath This is the reason why this channel has declined to its lowest point.
As a canon R6 II user here I’m not tempted at all with these new cameras except for the 45mp on the R5 II. But to be perfectly honest I don’t need 45mp! The files are too large, I’m waiting for Canon to release a 35mp full frame… god damn is that ever going to happen??!! Anyone else wanting this?
Dude they had an EOS R and a 5d Mark IV. Nothing good.
5d4, And The First R are both 32mp
There u go 😮😊
@@EdvardKALEN 5d4 wasnt good? Really?
Also, the R was fantastic for portraits.. everything else, cant call it 😅
@@simonmaduxx6777 The worst skintone of all Canon cameras. You can look at comparison tests with r5 and r6
CRAW seems to work very well in this respect, reducing the file size without hitting the quality. Or maybe I'm just not seeing something?
How about this as a feature: Eye AF Burst FS, the camera takes a photo of every person in the frame with their eye in focus, and does a focus stack of the images, use it to photo groups of people, having every face in focus, but keep a blurry background, since it can be taken at a lower f stop than the usual group pic. I think it would be more useful than the upscaling or denoise crap.
As primarily a studio shooter, I could never give up my 60mp goodness of the A7Rv. Even with on location shoots, being able to crop way in is so helpful. I could care less about frame rate, I am never in a situation where I would need more than 10 frames per second, especially when the files are 60 megapixels and I have to go through and cull them when I edit. Spray and pray photography is for amateurs. Finally having two type A card slots on the a7rv is freaking amazing, the pictures load on double cards immediately. That is a huge deal.
Spray & pray is for sports & wildlife shooters. I imagine soeme editorial/news reporters could use it. Relax, no apologies needed. It’s not hard to overlook other peoples needs when you have tunnel vision being focused on only your needs.
How is Tony not getting pre-productions! This is one of the biggest channels on cameras and most detailed reviewers. I’m not a super fan but appreciate the level of detail that goes into the work.
Because he's not a canon simp, he will point out flaws and idiotic features
Also does not take sponsorship from camera makers
@@AzarathGirl123 I figured it might be related to his brutal honesty. But still, his viewership is huge and whether he likes a camera or not people will still buy it from his review. Getting pre-released gear isn't being sponsored because he'll send it back anyway. Their loss though.
@@kingtungstenworldwide4472 Therefore nobody else is honest? That's not really a logical explanation
@@DreamReleases I dont think I was explaining anything, I was agreeing with the other comment that perhaps Canon get a little nervous by criticism and followed up by saying it shouldnt matter. If they put their best effort out then they should let the public decide whether they have a hit or miss. Definitely Tony should get pre-productions and not have to buy the cameras himself, he's very well respected.
I kinda like the idea of registering the person's face, especially for sports videos when I am assigned one player to follow in a video.
I think i remember someone mentioning that it doesn't work in video. Would be cool if they added it though
I would love to hear a regular person's reaction to the way we talk about gear on CZcams, where everything is the greatest camera we've seen or has so many flaws that make it unusable. The reality is that the current class of cameras are excellent and we all need to dial back some of the rhetoric. We're at a point where every channel grades every camera on how well they shoot sports, when only a small percentage of us (which is already a small group) shoot sports. Most people buying these cameras are going to shoot a wedding, an event, some landscapes, shooting video of something relatively slow paced or portraits.
100%, but I'd add to your comment, for most people, even pros, any high-end camera from the last 5 years is more than enough for their needs
Personally, I think we've been at the point where pretty much every camera, from every OEM since the Canon 5D is pretty damn good. At some point, it has to come down to the person behind the camera. Sure there are various bells and whistles that make the cameras more user friendly and able to get great shots, but if someone can't get good pics and/or video from cameras on the market today (regardless of the OEM), then maybe photography is not for them.
I wholeheartedly agree. It has gotten out of hand. One day the gear matters, the next it’s about the photographer. Let’s spend weeks speculating about a camera and when it’s not what we expect, it’s a failure 😂
I’m no wedding or event photographer, but I assume fast AF would be a huge benefit to make sure the important shots were captured. As someone with a small child who has attempted photography at school events, I want the fastest AF possible.
And i am that person disappointed with how far behind the software of all these cameras is compared to even 5 year old smartphones..
So I purchased a Canon R6 Mark II to replace my R7. It is hands down my favorite camera I have ever used for shooting wildlife. Flexibility of autofocus system and how well it tracks and nails focus is nothing short of amazing. But this new R5 II is basically a R6 II with electronic mode dial and 45 BSI sensor with more than twice as fast read out speed as R6II or R5. Then add one of the most sophisticated autofocus systems available and 30 fps Raw and what is not to love on this camera. That new action sport mode is very interesting, why couldn't you add birds and wildlife also? Load images just like you can people if you want to target certain species. Also 14 bit Raw on all photo's is also very welcome. Also some pretty great Video specs as well. I can't wait, my dream camera for wildlife.
The upscaling will be very useful for photojournalists, crop to 20% of the frame, upscale, send...
If you're talking about R1, simply having more MP like Z9 would be even better.
And before anyone complains about heavy files from Z9, Nikon also offers a high efficiency RAW that keeps the file sizes to about the same as normal 24mp RAWs.
5D IV user here. All I wanted was a 4 axis flip screen like the Sony and Nikons. Seems like a missed opportunity for Canon for a feature that can have a big impact on user experience.
I love Canon’s screen, totally fine for me
And not not overheat like those brands. I’m seriously considering changing now which I never thought was possible.
Same here. Never imagined I’d seriously think about switching after 35 years with Canon.
@@bradw4773 yea, I’ve been waiting for this to drop bc I need to go mirrorless and they didn’t solve the main issue from the last one? That’s crazy! Might as well get the R6ii and save money.
@@bradw4773 people switching for the screen is really funny to read. I personally don't like 4 axis flip screen but it's not one reason I would consider before changing brand.
Funny. The Person priority feature is the big selling point, why I would buy a R5II over an R5. I am often fotographing my girlfriend at sports competitions and there are MANY people in the frame. I always want her in focus if she's in the frame. This is an absolute gamechanger for me. I know at least the A7RV has a similar feature, but I have tested it with a freind's A7RV (before he sold his Sony equipment for a Z8) and it was kinda unreliable. Tests will show if the feature is well designed this time. If so - take my money Canon :D
I still cannot believe they showed off 150 and 250 MP sensors *years ago,* yet Canon has yet to bring that tech to market. Mirrorless is a great home for that kind of resolution; we have the compute ability and fast enough storage these days to really make a compelling camera around that kind of resolution. I remember when Canon was a company that *out of nowhere* took its 5D Mark III and said "look at what we can do when we let the engineering department run wild" and gave us the 5DS R, which more than doubled resolution and set the 50MP resolution bar as a shot across the bow of the other manufacturers *IN 2016.* Where is that Canon today?! Also, the original R5 cost $3899, but this mild refresh is now worth $400 more at $4299??? I remember when the 5D Mark IV cost $100 more to get the 24-70 f/4 thrown in at launch.
Why sorry? Sony has entire lineups of amazing cameras. The A7IV is amazing. The A7RV is amazing. The A1 and A9iii are amazing. The FX3 is amazing.
😂
@@ajeshsugathan8484The Sony is amazing lmao
He’s saying sorry because they don’t have a camera that can directly compete with the R5ii and the Z8.
@@raphxwb really? Those cameras have a global shutter? Thought so.
@@TheLinesEnd the a9iii is far more expensive. I’m talking about a camera that’s roughly the same price as the R5ii and Z8
Thanks for the update!
5,76 millions dots is actually more than Full-HD, but less than UHD (approx. 8 million)
I think it’s just shy of the total number of pixels of FHD due to different aspect ratio - the vertical is better than FHD (1200 vs 1080) but horizontal is shy (1600 vs 1920), however it’s almost the same total -
5.76m = 1600x1200 = 1.92million pixels
Full HD = 1920x1080 = 2.07milion pixels.
Interestingly, the 9.44m dot EVF of the R1 is 2048x1536=3.15million pixels… not the ~2x difference that the 9.44m name suggests, a bit misleading really!
@@WilliamJohnston no, Full-HD has 2 million dots
@@julianschneider.berlin dots and pixels are different! 1 pixel = 3 dots (R,G,B), so the number of ‘dots’ is very misleading (making it sound way better than it is).
5.76m dot EVF = 1600x1200 pixels = 1.92m pixels. 1.92x3=5.76m dots.
A quick Google of ‘5.76m dot resolution’ will confirm this, it’s the camera companies trying to make it sound way higher resolution than it actually is!
A new game changer feature is the ability to capture a range of focus points and store it in a special RAW file where in post editing you can select or even combine the best possible focused photo or best bokeh. Great for large aperture photography
Did the Custom White Balance on video mode improve? Or I still need to go tho photo mode, take a picture, go back to video mode and use the photo as a reference?
It still overheats though. Kai and Lok tested it with 4K for 40 minutes. Fan grip is a must and it's added cost. The dumb thing is the fan grip doesn't have shutter button.
That alone made me not want it. Can’t believe they didn’t fully fix the overheating issue before launching a whole new camera after several years of development and other brands have it with no heating issues.
Link to this? The previous r5 got much better with firmware for over heating
@@ryanpallotta5 Just search for Kai's review for R5II in youtube. As for now, it's still overheating and hopefully firmware update will fix it. Canon knows it'll overheat and sell the fan grip. What is the reason for the fan grip other than that?
Is Sony A1 better then?
I dont know what it is with Canon, they seem to give with one hand and then take with the other....
eg they've added Full HDMI, added stacked sensor and faster readout speed but then still keep the slower SD slot instead of have two CF slots to allow for redundancy...thereby slowing down the camera if wanting to have recording to two slots
The Neural Denoise and Upscaling are just gimmicks in the body as you alleviate too, its the same with manufacturers and pixel-shift - how many people are really going to be using that (especially outside locations when the weather has an affect on items being blown about)
The different battery grips and battery types (some functionality cant be used if you dont have the specific battery mounted). The cooling vents seems just to be a 'quick fix' instead of a total redesign of the body
Honestly, all the other R5ii videos sound like noise compared to this. Thank you Tony. Great coverage as always.
I've had nearly every iteration of the 5D (5D, 5Dmk2, 5Dmk3, 5DSR, 5Dmk4 and R5). But I think I might skip this one don't really see much to justify the purchase as a purely stills shooter. I'm not unhappy with that, it's mainly because the R5 is already great.
Seems like an amazing camera. If it has the apparent stickiness to the subject that the new R1 has that'll be amazing.
I think it's best features are in the viewfinder, rear screen, c-log2, cooling solutions, frames per second, dynamic range and Canon colours.
I think the AI noise and upscaling are features if you want to share photos directly with an editor/publisher straight from the venue. The upscaling is more useful for R1 if you want to crop it and the noise reduction is more useful for R1, but they shared both features on the two cameras.
I really don't find the Z8 heavy. It's bang on and feels so much better built than the competition. This thing in the UK is £1200 ($1500 US) more than the price I was able to buy my Z8 new. The world has gone mad and Canon are leading the way in the madness department....... especially with the R1. £7000($9000 US) for a 24mp camera.
Fellow Z8 owner here. Totally agree 👍
Its perfectly balanced, but its not light. Its the heaviest pro camera without a grip. Its more than 200g heavier than all of its competitors
@@eldengard23 For sure, but since when did 200g become an issue? 200g is about the weight of my iPhone. I understand that it all adds up, but we don’t carry that many camera bodies at one time.
It reminds me of the Nikon 14-30 f/4 vs the 14-24 f/2.8 weight difference debate. The 14-30 is described as lightweight but at 175g more, the 14-24 has its weight listed as a con. What total nonsense. Light gathering costs money and weighs more, this isn’t a con.
Anybody that finds the Z8 heavy, needs a gym membership. Which you will be able to afford with what you save buying the Z8.
@@300ShadesofGreen Spot on mate. I carried around a D850 for years before that and the Z8 feels light. And I live and shoot landscapes in the Highlands. I'm always hiking with it up bloody mountains!
I mean, I agree about weight. I'm a little confused about the prices that you're naming. Perhaps localization (UK cost is more) plus price deflation are playing a very large role here, but the initial retail price of Z8 was ~$4k and R5ii is ~$4.3k. I will agree with you that the Z8 seems the better value proposition (probably the best in Nikon's lineup), but maybe compare new price v new price (not the huge markdown of the Z8 which I guess means it's lost a lot of its initial value for some reason?), and also don't include conversion to USD when the prices in US / CA / AU, etc are quite different and not so extreme...
And yeah the R1 seems a bit underwhelming for the cost! :S
Is Chelsea due a switch yet? 😊
For me, photography gives me a satisfaction when i catch a precious moment. I had used cameras from different manufacturers like Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Olympus. I ended up keeping my Fujifilm X-T5. Truly it is not on par with other models in terms of performance but i have been having much fun with it.
Hey Tony, here’s the use for uploading a photo for the auto focus. I take photos of my son playing basketball and my daughter playing volleyball and I don’t really care about anyone else on the court so I just want to focus always on them so this is great for me, but probably not so much a professionalphotographer photographing a sports event in general
The pixel shift makes a lot more sense, and I know some companies have done a really good implementation of it that can be handheld so that would be more useful than artificial resolution increases
Makes it seem even more amazing that the Z8 doesn’t seem to have any overheating issues in 8K, without a special ventilating grip..
Which videos would you like to watch regarding the Z8 overheating in 8K?
Says who?
Afford to own? Nobody has to own every camera released. They are for rent too. And not expensive.
@@Jviotr Watching Gerald Undone's video on the Z8 and he talks about the overheating in 8K. But that's not important to the Nikon fangirls.
Geese, talk about fanboys. Didn’t know I’d trigger some sensitive Canon lovers with this comment. Didn’t even trash talk Canon, just said something positive about the Z8. Relax.
I'm excited for it. Ready to retire my 5D MKIV and move my R5 to my 2nd camera. Fingers crossed that the electronic shutter becomes useful for me. I have used the mechanical on the R5 95% of the time for the rolling shutter on action and wildlife shots and more information in the RAW files. While I like the fan grip option, I hate that you lose the vertical controls.
No, I am very happy with my Sony A7RV !!!
I appreciate your authentic, brutal, and passionate reviews Tony. Keep up the fantastic work!
As an event photographer, I use a Sony A7r5. The only reason I'd switch to the new Canon is if the eye-control was bulletproof and the low-light autofocus performance was greatly improved over my A7r5. The remaining characteristics of the Canon R5 Mk II are insufficient to justify switching from my Sony.
The Person Priority can be useful for sports and concert photography; If I want to focus on the lead singer as he moves around the stage and band members, especially as the lights make the focus lose the person sometimes (if it gets completely dark for example). so maybe its not right for wedding photographers but for some it will be a very nice feature.
The simultaneous stills is really the only feature that would really interest me but it ought to do it in 4k recording modes as well. So that's a bummer.
Photography is like dating. You can spend your life chasing perfection, or you can settle down with something that may not be perfect, but it's faithful and reliable, and you can create something beautiful.
Tony you missed the thumbnail!! you should have 2 fingers up - showing the Mark II as in 2nd version. Love you guys stuff!
Only big leap left for cameras is a global shutter. Glad to see Sony introducing it. R52 Mechanical is still stuck at 12fps but they’ll master the electronic readout.
I guess you got have an error in your weight comparison. You compared R5 without battery to the A1 with battery. According to the Canon website the weight of the R5 II increased slightly by 6g compared to the Mark I.
Love the video. My R5 is great for bird photography in most cases. Getting rid of the rolling shutter would be a reason to switch but I’ll wait for the next gen. For Weddings the original is still a great option.
3:55 imagine still having mech shutter in 2024 :P
@TonyAndChelsea Would love the see a wildlife / sports shooter comparison of "1 body + 1 lens" shootout for the same price point. For example, For $7500 , Canon gets you R5II + EF 100-500 - a pretty compelling combo! How would a Nikon or Sony perform for the same money ?
But if you are in eye-AF, you can't tell it to use a specific focus point. You have to switch out of eye-AF to do it. If you use eye-AF + pre-registered faces, you get the best of both worlds.
I think its a great camera, and if has a lot of advantages over Sony & Nikon when it comes to locking on subjects for video. Paired with the 100-300 2.8, Sony has no answer for maintaining focus on a specific player or subject. Great video, Tony!!
Maybe the a9iii?
@@lizlana4200that’s far more expensive tho
I wouldn't bash canon for trying to innovate, especially when they are not forcing it on anyone. I don't want to go back to the days when Canon removes already established features to make their higher end cameras look better. Let's just hope these features get better, the concept of eye controlled AF could be the next best thing.
Best regards,
A concerned Sony shooter
If you ever do a proper comparison, with all cameras in hand, please also test the buffer.
30 FPS raw is amazing, but according to the specs, it's only doing 93 frames when using a CF-Express card, before the buffer fills. My Z8 never hits the buffer with 20 FPS lossless RAW, 1000 frames plus, at least. Depending on how low the speed drops after filling the buffer, that could be a huge disadvantage for wildlife.
I think there's one big leap in camera technology ahead of us - computational photography like we have in our smartphones. They made a huge leap in image quality with small sensor cameras, I'm kind of surprised it's taken us this long and we still don't have the same technology in our large sensor cameras.
For 35mm, in many areas, sensor tech has flatlined. Better dynamic range, 16 bit RAW. Those are now the preserve of larger sensor formats. Focusing tech is one area that is definitely improving. If camera manufacturers want to get people to migrate from smartphones, they need to focus on better feature sets and ergonomics. But will that ever happen?
One point you I didn't hear you mention: The in-camera AI functions (noise removal and upscaling) result in jpeg files. End of workflow. They are not good for continuing the workflow in Lightroom, etc.
“C’mon man, we’re talkin’ about caaaahhmrass!” - Gerald Undone
Oh. I think your rant on Face Recognition perhaps did not take into account Sports Team shooters. If you want to concentrate on one or two or three players first and foremost, the AF will keep focussed on the Registered Faces almost instantaneously (faster than your brain can work out which face), when players run past each other, like in Basket Ball etc. Being able to pick up who you really want to stay focussed on instantly and continuously, faster than your own brain can work will be a massive feature for R5 MkII users.
Awesome camera! Registering 10 faces in a camera is a big plus feature. It may not be an everyday application that we use, but it's nice to know it's an advancement of technology. I just wish they added more megapixels to the EOS R5 Mark II, say around 15 mega. So it's a 60 mega pixels all in all. The 8K video is a bonus, but they should have made the storage both CF express card since we are dealing with big data in using 8K video. Overall, in my humble opinion, EOS R5 Mark II is a better pick than the EOS R1 or the R3.
I'm a little disappointed with the cooling solution for the r5II. Two years ago, I wanted to upgrade from my trusty Canon 7Dmkii, and I'm very glad I went with the Sony A7RV. It does everything I need very well. I'm now super excited to see what's going to be in the new Sony A7R6 and see how it competes with the r5ii.
This is your Weekly reminder that Canon has had a 250mp sensor for almost 10 years, and a 100mp sensor for 14 years.
If they wanted to give you a photo centric camera they could do so in a heartbeat.
Regarding AI upscaling:
The R5 Mark I got a HighRes mode with a firmware update. For me it looked like a beta version and I did not understand why the published it. However: As far as I could figure out this mode was removed with the R5 Mark II. That could mean there is a HighRes R Camera in the pipeline. Or it could mean Canon was not able to implement it in high quality. So they decided to ship the camera with an AI upscaling - just for those who wanted the HiRes mode in the Mark II.
Not to detract from this amazingly convenient summary of info, thank you for that, but what's going on with the framerate in this video? Sometimes duplicated, other times tripled frames. Hitching all over the place.
No dropped frames on my end, it's encoded in the video. You can see it clearly when you go frame by frame.
A pair of Gen 4 Type B memory card slots would be a pretty big leap.
Quad pixel autofocus would be a big leap.
60mp would have been a substantial leap.
Not needing a cooling grip would have been a big leap.
Not having functions that don't work without a battery grip would have been a big leap.
All of those should have happened this gen, especially for the price. No excuse.
integrated flash trigger, but will never happen
Sensor tech and overall speed may have plateaued, but Improvements can still be made with adding anti-theft features, modern communications, integrated memory, and adding a modern user interface (like an android device) in conjunction with excellent physical controls, (MCFA) Make Cameras Fun Again and less sterile to use etc.
The R5 II is definitely a camera to perform very well. At $4,300 USD, there are other options to choose from, such as the first Canon R5 with the 24-105mm f4 lens for $4,000 USD or the Nikon Z8 with the 24-120mm f4 lens for $4,400 USD. For the money, someone must really need the R5 II for professional work to overlook the other options.
I still shoot the 5D III, so this is my upgrade cycle and bought within the first 5 minutes. I’m very happy, except for the extra $300 at the last minute.
Is it flagship? Not on par with Nikon z9 or Sony offering
Nikon fanboys never talk about their AF system.
@@80-80. which is now as good as any
@@abdeo777 to think the autofocus system in the Z8 is on par with the R5II is ridiculous.
@@80-80.you got to try it to believe it. Just watch Olympics and see how many z8 a/z9s are going to be there.
Actually a fair comparison of this vs the z8 and A1. Weirdly enough the R5 II seems to be the more exciting camera vs the R1
"the z8 has a faster readout speed if you're worried about rolling shutter, BUT the R5 is better for video because you have a flip screen, so you can film yourself"
R5 II has also a better AF.
I'm going to wait until the first bugs and glitches have been dealt with (just remember the overheating issues at the R5's launch), but I will get the R5mII eventually. I love the R6mII, but in some situations the 24MP can be a bit limiting. Same with clog3 and only 10bit RAW when shooting at 40fps. And having wished one too many times to be able to just look at the object that I want to focus on, I really want that Eye-AF. Those two camera bodies are going to meet every demand that I could ever have regarding photography and videography.
The R1 seems a bit too pricey, but getting the R5mII at a 10% discount or so actually feels pretty fair to me, considering its specs.
Well, I think there are still some leaps to make: like a triple base ISO (Cannon c400), global shutter at high res, integrated ND and IBIS (sony burano), this all of course in a hybrid body not a cinema camera.
Did you see the upscaling in Gordon Laing's R1 and R5ii videos? WOW
I am an amateur photographer who shoots a Canon 5D Mark III and a 5DSR. Like so many like me, I have a small fortune invested in Canon EF L lenses. What is your opinion about using a Canon lens adapter to attach EF L lenses to the R5 Mark II? Would you expect that to have a major impact on the R5 Mark II autofocus and other functions?
The dumbest thing might be that they spent all that effort on useless AI stuff, but didn't build in any computational features that even cheap smartphones have these days
Best comment here.
I think only really useful computational photography feature is in camera focus stacking (but only if it keeps originals too in case you need to adjust for artefacts). Maybe also in camera pixel shift stiching. Other than that computational photography is mostly just gimmicks that arent really interesting, simmilar to in camera upscaling and denoise.
@@anupew3276 Olympus's live composite isn't a gimmick. It allows you to do complicated photos which require long exposures.
Tip don't pre order save up your pocket money by a cheap ticket to Japan Tokyo and a good hotel take a near empty suitcase fly over buy the camera for half price post the boxes back to your self return with camera in camera back still save money 😅 and a belly full of good food and some amazing pictures lol
Explain lol Is this camera substantially cheaper in Tokyo?
Then get stopped by customs and be forced to pay massive import charges.
And of course you'll want to pick up a book on punctuation to be read on the flight to Tokyo.
Japan isn’t cheap for cameras. US is usually cheaper.
Last time I was in Tokyo, prices of cameras were more expensive than back home. Some brands only have local versions with menus that are locked to Japanese language. Then you have the lack of international warranty issue...
at what point does it not matter anymore... aside from maybe the eye autofocus, assuming it works, is something to be excited about but other than that I don't get why anyone would upgrade. Oh look, we took this already almost flawless autofocus system and made it a little bit more flawless, Plus now we have locust eye recognition for dedicated insect photographers
And you can get a z8 for 3500 new, 3200 refurbished, and around 2800-3000 used. You can also get a z9 refurbished straight from nikon for 4500 and a used one from 3900-4500
registering a face does not mean a camera will focus only on that person : it will primarily focus on that person but the camera will always follow your eye movement to focus on the person you are looking at ...
I don't understand why you get so much hate. Your points are always spot on. There is little reason for Canon to have these AI features other than being able to tell their shareholders that they're jumping onto the AI hype train.
I've an R5 (love it) as my main camera as I mostly shoot Landscapes but have an R6 Mkii as my backup camera and for wildlife so I think any spend I do will be on glass. I recall a lot of pros jumped from their Sony A7Riii's to A7Rv's and wonder if that's going to be more of the pattern now. Some will always upgrade to latest camera/phone/car whilst others are quite happy to skip 1 or two models and then upgrade when the cumulative gains add up to something significant?
Global shutter will be the next bigger step for all brands with the same DR as current sensors. Also, a huge jump in better noise levels at higher ISO would be welcome some day...
I must say this is intriguing! The read out speeds scare me!! "Almost as good" means I might almost be able to use the photo. The A1 handles hummingbird wings and prop plane propellers like a champ. Not to mention baseballs and bats as well as golf clubs etc. There is no way I'm blindly switching till I see these results. I'm not ordering you to do them lol but it sure would be great if you did. 🙂
When you test and compare the new model… can you also throw the R5-C into the comparison? - You rock… that would be a powerhouse review.
Well, advance in technology and features is always a welcome thing, because over time, the difference in features and capabilities of an equipment becomes significant. And I guess 99% photographers (and that includes me) barely survive to make a living through photography, to be able to upgrade with every new release. I do weddings, travel and landscape, and currently the 5D Mk4 is my primary camera. In many cases, when not doing professional shoots, I still carry my 5D Mk2 with me, and usually return with great shots.
Here are my general thoughts, which I believe is applicable to most professional photographers:
1. I guess it's an extremely small niche of photographer (less than 1% ) who ACTUALLY require features like 1000 fps, or 20000 MP etc etc etc.. Most of us DESIRE to have such features because it makes us feel good, but rarely have any ACTUAL need of it.
2. I don't think I would ever switch from Canon to any other brand, irrespective of the features or price (within reasonable range), as the overall cost of switching is unfathomable for me. I guess this applies to lots of photographers (has nothing to do with loyalty). Though I do have several colleagues and team members who have switched to new brands every year (though there is no difference in the quality of their work or business). HENCE, while it is good to do cross-brand comparison, I doubt it has any practical impact on people actually switching brands (I agree a lot of people switched to Sony around 2016-2017, but that I because they revolutionised the Mirrorless market, and Canon/ Nikon were caught on the back foot).
3. After a certain level of technology improvement, I am mostly looking for ease of use and additional logistical features in my camera. for e.g. a fully rotating screen, ease of carrying the camera, a better/easier way to fit ND filter kit around the lens etc etc etc (basically features that are NOT technical in nature).
4. Auto focus (speed, accuracy and ease of switching btn modes of AF) is the only real game in photography. The rest is just fluff (I know I am exaggerating here).
5. The largest print that I or any of my clients have ever printed is 24x36 inches, so ideally a 12 megapixel camera suffices. At one end, camera manufacturers and constantly competing on 'my camera has more megapixels than yours', the end consumer is only switching to smaller and smaller screens for viewing their content. On any modern phone, 1920x1080 footage is more than acceptable. For a camera, 24 megapixels is the idea sweet spot, which I think Canon has aptly realised.
6. I and most of my peers/ friends have modern TVs and phones, but I dont think any of us have ever watched a 4K footage or channel. Even for YT channels that shoot in 4k, I switch to 1080p. We are probably a decade away from mass adoption of the 'need' to watch anything in 4K. So the ability to shoot in 6k or 8k is more of a need for the photographer/ videographer to be able to crop during editing, rather than a need for the viewer to watch in that resolution.
I am aware this sounds extreme, but feel it's more of a practical approach. If I were a YT reviewer, I'd probably nit-pick every feature of every camera and shred it to pieces for not meeting 'our' expectations, but atleast in my mind, I'd be very clear about what needs to be said on camera (becuz thats what people want to hear) versus what I'd practically do. Phew.
9:29 17:9 to be exact and this is also how it is mentioned in same cams, like Pana GH6
I hope the R5 Mk2 can retain its high FPS until the battery runs out. It is always daft when you can only use a feature when the battery is above 80%, especially when this information is hidden away deep in the footnotes.
Many of the functions used in the Canon EOS R5 II have long been used in their cameras by the OM System (Olympus)
The A1 does not have a read out speed of 1/270 as this video states - it has 1/240.
Is connectivity in a camera a tough nut to crack or something? It's crazy that a $200 smartphone has magnitudes better connectivity than a $6000 camera.
Yesssss! Where’s the camera with airdrop files already!?
What they need to do is come up with a new camera body that is wider which can support 2 lenses of your choice. So, you can switch between 2 focal ranges, or switch to a low light lens and variable zoom lens. You may be able to use image averaging built into the camera with two lenses to achieve better low light images, improved autofocus in difficult situations, and even stereoscopic imaging such as 3D photos and videos. This would benefit people who swap between 2 camera bodies just because its faster to switch lenses. This way it's faster, simpler, and 1 camera body lighter. Imagine using the camera to take a wildlife telescopic photos and a wide shot of the same image at the same time or taking 2 photos at 2 different shutter speeds such as a fast-moving car with a blurry background and a sharp background. It's literally 2 cameras fused together. They can also make these in a smaller mount such as a micro four thirds to make it even more compact and lighter.
Another biggest problem we have right now is there is not options for a long zoom range lens that is pocketable. Camcorders are the closest thing we have and zoom lens reflex cameras. But I don't see them around anymore. Our phones don't do this besides the Samsung S24. And even that phone is not as easy to handle as a camera while being really expensive. I want to see a pocketable or compact zoom range lens with 350mm (10x), 420mm (12x) or 525mm (15x) zoom.
The ability to take stills while in video is something I’ve been waiting for with Canon
Thanks for the insight
I agree that for most of the time you would prefer Ai denoise on the computer. But let's say you need to share that photo right away. Then I would ai denoise in the camera and then copy to my phone and then share. Or let's say you're at a concert and are so far away. Use the camera ai up scaling to 200mp and then crop down to the stage while adding the AI denoise. Then copy to phone and share
Most I wanted: higher resolution sensor, RAW high res mode and faster maximum shutter speed. I got higher shutter speed but I doubt I will upgrade my R5. Will probably wait for R5 Mark III and hope they bring some 65+ MP sensor. Great camera for sure but not so big upgrade from R5 really. I think my money goes towards new lenses as those last usually better than camera bodies.