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*Video shows boss*
Chat/Asmongold: WHAT?!?!?!
Explains why boss was hard:
Chat/Asmongold: Yup.. mhm.. this is true
Heat30Productions its so true
Chat: haHAA
Yup.. mhm.. this true
Heat30Productions He didn’t even do some of them on the difficulty. For example Vanilla Naxx 4 Horsemen.
The people in his chat sometimes are just retarded xD like they rage till he agrees then the same people "yeah okay" it's like they worship him as a god or something lol
lol I love his friend giving him shit, what a legend 😂
and as always, his chat is full of cancerous morons blindly agreeing to everything asmongold says and bashing the vid hes watching. If anyone asks what an example of a cancerous twitch chat window is then all u need to do is point at asmongolds chat window
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww Lol u don't get it, that's how twitch hype chats are xD
That's what makes them interesting, they all want attention.
but hey why the hate lol u guys are losers.
(I liked my comment, like it too so we could prove this guy wrong)
@@flamingbow10 yikes, more like LIKES
@@flamingbow10 indeed
Hasn’t done half the bosses on this list when they were progression and complains they aren’t that tough
No one had any idea how to play an MMO like wow when it was first released. When classic releases again it will me min maxed to fuck within 2 weeks, everything will get steamrolled and it will be a giant waste of time.
@@r-kwarlord3652 right, thats why the private servers are failing so hard.
@@jaaq3887 Private servers are not filled with the countless thousands of people who are planning to do what i just said. Good try though.
@@r-kwarlord3652 except they are...Good try though
@@jaaq3887 Vanilla private servers are filled with IRL gold sellers, multiboxsers, Real money run sellers, and top progression guilds clearing content before most people level? They arent. Take the L and move on dumbass.
That's the "Bosses i never did on this list shouldn't be on this list " face
''Spine was harder than a boss I never even attempted in vanilla''
dmzhorz You can’t be serious. It used to be significantly easier to play a class to its full potential. You didn’t have to spend countless hours looking over logs checking how many wasted GCDs you had, what your uptime was, what your wasted casts were, what procs you overlapped, what resources you capped, etc. Worldoflogs was a significantly worse tool than warcraftlogs, and most players prior to its introduction were completely brain dead. Rotations were harder in MoP than any previous expansion, which is what lead to pruning to begin with. It was the height of managing snapshotting which lead to micro managing trinkets like Rune of Reorigination for Feral and Windwalker, Fabled Feather of Ji’kun for Festermight playstyle for Unholy, Petless Demo, etc.
Knowledge of your class was also significantly worse pre-Cata due to lack of resources. EJ has some decent posts, but most weren’t kept up to date. People rarely knew why they took the stats the took. They just looked at better players or looked up BiS lists and used those. Today there are so many resources between the class Discords, countless forums, multiple guides for every class, and dedicated websites for certain classes that absolutely dwarfs the amount of information available in previous expansions.
You’re talking about spewing autistic shit, yet I doubt you’ve ever even raided higher than top 500 world with ignorant comments like this.
@@ZaneTheBaker Can't take serious someone saying this dumbed down, copy pasted, bullshit of a class design we have now is harder to play. If you 'know' how to play a dps now, it means you can hop onto ANY other dps and perform not much worse than on your main. Stop fanboying this hillbilly, and you might realise that he's an 'entertainer', someone who needs to keep his audience interested with stupid statements and fake reactions.
Edit: I'll actually address a couple of your points.
You always had to check your logs, and you always had space to improve. Information was there, it just wasn't served up on a platter to you. Its kinda what separated dedicated players from scrubs.
Also, i have raided since vanilla, but since we're assuming shit, im gonna assume that you started out mid cata/mop and that you're talking out of your ass.
"i have raided since vanilla" does not prove any level of skill, there's a difference between "raiding" and actually cleaning raids
@@mercenaryforhire3453 Are we nitpicking now? What do you think i meant with that? Actually, don't bother, this leads nowhere. Also, talking about skill on Asmongolds vid, oh the irony.
I'm just saying "I've raided since vanilla" is a poor argument considering there's a lot of different levels of raiding
I love how he disagrees with each pick and then agrees but the time hes finished explaining why.
Vaelstrasz wasn't technically hard, but he was the first HUGE wall for raiding guilds in Vanilla. I think half the Horde guilds on my server were stuck on him for at least a month.
Most were stuck till KTM was released by kenco.
It was RNG too because tanks could explode. It fucked with agro a lot.
He disagrees with all the bosses he hasnt killed himself :P
He is just being ironic to drive mcconnel mad.
He's done all of them when they were current
@@benp9793 thats not true at all..
@@benp9793 That is absolutely not true
BenP he has never done any boss pre nerf he should just stfu
I still have nightmares about heroic spine.
When we did it on heroic I had to be the kite tank for the bloods as a paladin. I had REALLY SHITTY prot gear, but our 2nd tank had rage quit the guild.
Kenny M i tanked healed and dps ed that fight it was fucking hard ,Ragnaros was harder . Cata had the hardest bosses in my opinion . “Vanilla wow was hard” yes it was but not because the raids were hard it was becouse the classes were gay and people didn’t know how to play the game not hating but these are just facts
M'uru the guild killer pre nerf was hands down one of the most difficult encounters in any video game period
Hogger clearly should have been #1 on the list.
EVERY SINGLE FIGHT is harder when it's progression than when it isn't.
I beat M'uru pre 30% nerf, and while he was the hardest boss I ever beat, I didn't raid hardcore in Legion, and haven't bought BfA.
Heroic Rag in the Firelands was stupidly hard, and I can't remember if I ended up beating him, but the group I went with got him pretty low at least. I knew the mechanics, and to compare M'uru to Rag?
Well firstly, Rag was 10man for me, so that automatically changes the dynamic.
Second, my guild/raid leader for M'uru was a super talented guy, and is probably the only reason we did so well.
2 minute downtimes between attempts and 4-5 raid nights per week...and it still took a very long time to finally down M'uru. Rag might have far more variety in insta-wipe mechanics, but M'uru had many more opportunities to wipe your raid; both have their own difficulty association.
So all that said, M'uru was more difficult, but not on a personal level. The hardest part was getting the entire raids to do the fight PERFECTLY just so you could get into P2, and then hope your numbers are enough once you reached it.
Just my take, anyway....I haven't raided in a good while; partly cause my computer can't handle it. :(
C'thun and Twin Emps were the two hardest bosses I ever downed. C'thun actually killed my guild (Iniquity), which was #1 Horde guild on our server. We ended up merging our best players into the #2 guild (Meet in Kargath) before I was able to down C'thun. Both bosses were a nightmare for guilds that had players with low spatial awareness and clickers.
Killing Vael before KLH Threat Meter was insanely difficult.
I like McConnell not gonna lie 😂😂😂
McConnell has been part of some of the funniest moments I've ever seen anywhere online -- not just Asmon's stream. It's even better because half the time you're laughing at him and half the time you're laughing with him.
BarfyMan362 lol I know I slowly realized McConnell is a big name in the community, a lot of the times I’m not even laughing at him I laugh at the dick things he says to asmon 😂😂 he’s the voice for us ignored in chat 😂
Muru was definitely the hardest non impossible boss. Did it prenerf as a resto shaman with of Blackhand. The video doesn’t mention it but the fight got nerfed.
Ahhh i love McConnel for putting asmond in his place.
Before i watch this whole video if M'uru (pre-nerf) isn't here the list is invalid.
He specifically said he will exclude impossible bosses. So that's probably M'uru, Ouro the Sandworm and maybe more that I don't know.
You won't be disappointed?
nice to see mconnell back with asmon they work so well together
More like Asmongold questions every boss on the list in "Top 10 Hardest Raid Bosses in WoW"
The problem is most people who beat the boss and then speak from experience downed them after they were fixed/nerfed or on easier difficulty/10 man/no special achievement mode. The difference between these bosses on release, the first fix patch and then the first nerf patch are huge. Some bosses are nerfed even more after that. As someone who raided on raid release in Vanilla and BC and wiped endlessly I can also say alot of these fights back then were learning experiences, people literally didn't know how to raid like they do today and there was little resources to teach you, you learned from failure and many aspects of fights like Vael that look like a joke were the first time a guild had to manage threat and do insane DPS, there is also people forgetting history: DPS metres back then were really bad, not accurate and did not sync well, making DPS play safe to not pull boss agro.
Vael killed my guild. ...kinda
After a few weeks of not being able to beat him, our warriors started leaving for more advanced guilds.
Our guild became the gearing up springboard for the top guilds. We never recovered.
Muuru is hands down the hardest boss ever in wow and since Asmon disagrees, his whole chat does
The fight was insanely simple it just wasn’t balanced correctly like a lot of vanilla and bc bosses because blizzard were still learning how to correctly balance encounters. Everyone has a different opinion to what they would constitute as ‘hard’. If you put a rock as a boss with no mechanics and infinite health in a raid it would never die and be the hardest boss ever under the mentality of this list. A boss that required insane raid coordination and individual mechanical skill and excellent class knowledge is what I would constitute as a hard raid boss personally. Again that’s subjective, but for me mythic KJ, avatar, Azshara, yogg 0 and rag 25h would be my top 5.
KJ was harder than Muuru for me
That's exotic guy
its true that its simple, but that doesnt make it easy.
Mythic KJ took the most wipes before it was killed. Think method wiped like 650 times before they downed it.
the chat sperg is strong with this video
Feelsgoodman that during my glory day that I killed M'uru pre-nerf.
Sames. But still fuck muru....
I love how you started changing your opinion as soon as the other guy on the mic started putting you in your place! Hilarious
Sunwell temple in general was too damn hard in TBC. Caused my guild to quit raiding and wait for WoTLK.
I remember killing heroic spine pre nerf and before finally killing it we had to replace about 5 people in our core group. Shit was no joke.
I had a hunter with 650 days played time prior to BC and was in Exodus the 2nd guild to kill C'thun on my server. I can confirm, C'thun and Twin Emps were the hardest with out a doubt in my opinion.
M'uru was idd the hardest boss.. but just cause we didnt had weak aura's or so we had to comunicate proper and other related stuff was more a gear check or dps check
-mimiron was a pain but also a dps check, while on 10man we dropped a healer down then original we used.. so we had more dps yet more space, but on 25man we had to stick with the healers and we had to split more so it was more a dps race.. but also group wise to slow down fire spread and other related stuff. Fight it self was not hard but one mistake drained the mana of the healers.
-cthun was anoyed, if you wiped you had to run 30mins before you reach the boss.. plus the engage on cthun was anoyed one mistake or at the very start the boss was bugged.. the beam could one shot the raid instantly. The Fight it self was decent but cause of the long run it took longer then it should.
-fight on deathwings back was patethic,more of a dps check for destroying the shells.. stacking classes with high burst to do the fight within 2 explosions else you were overwhelemd with adds.
-Lk heroic,just weak aura's would have made the fight easier. One mistake and the raid wiped,also if the platform was a little bigger it would have solved the problem. Also 25max attemps limited the tries you had to fight him each week holds most guilds back.
-yogg saron into the darkness. Not hard but just control of your insane. Bad thing was the instance was mostly bugged,sometimes if you didn't look you still gained insane..
-ragnaros rework, final phase was never intented for the whole raid to stick on the frost buff. Somehow figure that it was possible to stand in a triangle without trigger it was a good find.. this reduced the damage but aswell the rng from spawning this was always in the fire that spread on the floor.. this causes lots of wipes as fire was overpowered.
Must say im kinda dissapointed cause there were fights that should have listed in here instead of this top 10. From aq until end of pandaria ive raided within the top.. nowada WoW requires addons.. kinda destroy the fun of playing and yet old days before cataclysm all classes were good to raid.. now you need to stack certain to kill it, blizz better put max 25 attempts a week so people dont rush them self. Go back to how Icecrown was or crusade..
Gotta rate the bosses in the context of the content and experience of players at the time they came out.
0:33 I can imagine he's actually wearing a shirt for 3 weeks straight without washing to give his personal opinion about the quality...
That intro was tremendous. McCool coming in with the fuck you was a real treat.
FYI we beat m'uru with a tank in ZA/t5, a druid in t5, and a holy paladin heal aggro'ing. It was PURE execution and DPS. The reason we used the za/t5 tank was because I was the only person who built a block set on a warrior(for pvp). Turns out M'uru didn't hit that hard on a tank, and it was a pure dps gatekeeper during the burn phase. There was also 0 RNG from 'resists' because they didn't resist dispels, you misssed them. All people doing the job of dispelling and taunting had no miss chance though.
This was a normal, entertaining Asmongold video where he instantly disagrees with everything until he hears the reasons and suddenly agrees UNTIL... ZALGRADIS. Fking legend! Zal's the reason I rolled a horde pally :D
I love that his friend is there to keep him in check when he’s wrong lol.
who is the guy yelling "why u always making that face when he is naming a boss?!" ahahahha xD
McMaster
Firefighter 10 man was hard as fuck pre nerf, it's my proudest achievement
Yogg hardmode was the epitome of difficulty in wrath. I remember my guild still wiped a couple of times even after clearing heroic ICC. I didn’t attempt when it was progression but to see how hard it was even after two raids came out afterwards was insane to me at the time.
I used to run pug groups late in wrath. I could lead them to arthas but no one even wanted to try yogg with a pug
Killed Vael on the second raiding night my guild progressed on him. Pretty much all credit goes to Omen and tanks paying attention to it.
I will never forget LK... We wiped over 60 times in one night, you didnt have the option to skip the intro back then so that was more than an hour of intro....
Buy a shirt, I have one. I lost 200lb's grew a beard and can now take anyone in a duel with my eyes closed??! . Thank you glorious shirt.
but you also smell now
@Kal Sizzle Nope, I am now smell-less. Not showerd in 2 weeks!
What about Kil'jaeden in tomb of sargeras mythic?
It is still so hard to kill in pug raid.
3:55 the voice in my head appeared in the video
Kill all bosses in actual patches. Alone in the dark and Arthas 5% was a nightmare.
i was in a guild that had 4 rogues to do the adds at muru. they were cross realm recruited because they had the legendary weapons. at the time gathering that many of those rogues in a single guild was pretty unique. i miss those dayz of proper legendary weapons
Yh it was more fun like that but it takes a lot of the skill away and replaces it with rng and time spent playing. Wow now days is a lot more balanced and competitive, imagine if the top guilds just couldn't get their legenderys to drop they would have a massive disadvantage in world 1st races.
As a prot pally progressing spine of deathwing on 10 man no nerf heroic that fight was so hard you needed certain classes ie arcane mage resto shaman or you had no chance you can still see my first kill if you search nox noctis vigilo vs spine keep an eye out for me tanking bloods then tell me it’s tenth
I played WoW for the 1st 9 years and fought each of these bosses during their release/pre-nerf and almost perfectly agree with this boss list. I dont think Asmon played all these bosses on release due to his disagreements.
Happy to say on Dalaron server my guild short bus special was the first with Gruul. And magtharadon but because we had to change our guild to sbs we disbanded it soon after sad times
He's doing the smart thing. You can't stop piracy, you might as well make it convenient to spread your marketing with it and benefit mutually.
So long as the leechers have enough integrity to put it on 'their' videos.
I mean, he can’t really complain considering that he’s stealing content by watching the video
My guild downed m'uru on the last day before the sunwell nerf and huge buffs for classes went live. It's too bad we didn't get to try kil jaeden but damn it took us so long to beat him. Definitely the hardest boss.
8:40 no it is not on normal. Platform would self destruct and reappear every time in "transition phase" ergo when LK starts casting remorseless winter from the center platform. And this happened in all difficulties, 10 or 25, normal or hc.
He meant that the exploit was from their normal kill, not HC.
heroic rag is one of the hardest because said reasons , looooooooong damn fight dps war + the most important healing & mana management because in order to kill it you have to do a 25 raid with 3 healers 2 tanks and 20 dps. I was a holy pala and believe me it was super duper hard. I had to review logs in order to have a perfect healing cd and mana management for the fight.
My guild couldn't get Firefighter down in full ICC 25-Man gear LOL. We got to like 7/12 heroic 10-Man too.
i have over 30 cthun kills on northdale and lightbringer combined, he is a pain in the fucking ass, but only because of the pull, the actual fight is pretty ez, but if you got one noob in your raid its a wipe
vanilla raiding sure was hardest.. i didn't even get to raid.
2:50 @assertonsin :D
really funny watching the classic andys in the chat talking about how hard some of these bosses were
how does KJ ToS not make this list but KJ sunwell does
Twin Emps were horrible... especially when the switch came and the dots were still ticking and the warlock tank lost aggro for a second...
Why are you using dots on a classic raid lol?
Who is Zalgradis?
What about Heroic Blackhand pre-nerf. Only 33 guilds got it world wide. Nerfed 3 days after release.
Goddamn he was in such a contrarian, baby mood for this.
I swear to god half of the people spamming ????? never even raided the boss in their life
9:54 lmao. Every time he names a boss Asmon freaks out and doesn’t agree, then the guy explains why and asmon’ like ya ok that makes sense
Spine was hard based on the make up of your guild, for example my guild had a lot of dot cleave so that made the boat prior on spine easy and the final boss easy but spine incredibly hard, we level 2 bust alts and downed it the first night we used them, so not really a hard boss fight.
I know this old, and even older news. I think its very unprofessional that they banned or suspended those players who found that exploit. Its not THEIR fault YOU the producers cant find these problems before the launch.
Truth
hholy hell i remember the only way i was able to get my heroic Spine of Deathwing kill was by bringing in a rogue with legendary daggers from another guild that shit was tough
kj and vael on this list is nochting but a meme. firefighter took about 250trys and is harder than rag hc which took 500trys? garbadge list overall.
Clearly you never did them pre-nerf
I found the AYAYA and DansGame chat spam when Jibril came up funny
Maybe not the hardest boss out there but Garalon literally made me stop raiding/playing for a few months after my guild wiped 400+ times before clearing him.
He didn't even mention post-buff Hodir
How was Mythic KJ not on this list. Was this video made before him?
And Argus... or Jaina now :3
That video is a joke. A BC/Classic fandom joke. Simple.
4horsemen vanilla was hard as fuck too
In that time there was no mythic as i remember, so HC was cutting edge. Talking about Ragnaros
hes saying it FELT like a mythic fight in comparison to the rest of the raid
i think that you cant make such a list with that many people agreeing. for some certain bosses are harder than for others and the other way around.
His reactions... "carries were not around then"
@Asmongold Firelands had no mythic difficulty........
Man, McConnel was really pissy that day.
Vael hard lol. Guilds failed it because they had shit raid composition and would go right into BWL from their first couple MC clears (on FRESH servers on top of it), since it wasn't locked, and didn't have the gear to do it. Every crap guild also used the same old turtle meta with holy priest rotations and stacked mage dps which had shit scaling. They didn't have the proper dps setup to do a simple burn down fight.
See also M'uru and 4horsemen for the exact same general reasons.
Oh god, how many times we did that yogg fight. That nearly killed raiding for me.
Did you do yogg zero? Honestly if you dont have thorim and freya the fight Is hell
The hardest 2 bosses were Muru and Kael’thas sunstrider, because of the difficulty of sunwell, your raid was pretty geared by the time you got to Muru and Muru was essentially 2 bosses, but Kaelthas on progression in crap gear was hard, and it was an attunement boss , so you had to do it with your bench players to get them attuned, you know the big dick dps that stand in shit and never do mechanics that why there on your bench, or when ever a person left your guild the new person oh course wouldn’t be attuned so you would have to go back and do him again, he was hard every frigin time. Shout out to sapphiron who was hard because of the bugs, you would hide behind an iced player and because of how buggy the fight was u still might get frozen, you also had to craft frost gear, and we were pushing world first and had her at 5% and then magically her health went back to full, very few guild completed the last 4 bosses before they were nerfed
Dat mythic Firelands Ragnaros tho LMAO 😂😂😂
Hopefully they bring back buffed cthuun in season of mastery!
Just proves again how TBC was the best xpac ever. “Boss that requires 100% execution throughout the whole fight” probably the only real skill check for pve players ever. GJ blizz for embracing those type of encounters instead of giving us same boss mechanics in different order and new ugly skins
Kael'Thas Sunstrider, Illidan, M'Uru, KJ, Gruul, Vash'Jr, Magtheridon are some of my favorite bosses in the game.
Asmon, clearly having never played vanilla, is giving his opinion on the difficulty of vanilla bosses....
He did, but he was too busy wiping in Strat at the time
lol, I was gonna say, there's no way someone that raided in vanilla looks at Vael, 4H or C'thun and doesn't cringe.
4H was the killer for my guild, C'thun was cancer, twin emps was a nightmare, Vael destroyed servers, and even razorgore was enough to kill a lot of guilds.
@@Taalanos It's not the twin emp that were nightmare but the freaking respawn timer on the adds in front of those guys. Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to have adds that get random abilities requiring for each combination totally different strat, can wipe quickly your raid if you mess up in the engage, and then have them respawn so quickly that you need to clear them 2-3 times per day of trying the twins? And add to that the fact that the run back after a wipe was total bullshit in there, even with your whole raid equipped with AQ40 mounts. That was such a chore to go through the run back and then them on your attempts again and again every week. C'thun pre nerf was impossible so w/e, but post nerf he was one the most fun boss of vanilla with Thaddius imo. 4H 's idea was great but it requiring so many tanks was total crap.
The problem with vael that isn't mentioned here, and why he killed so many guild, was due to the disastrous server lag that was starting every times you pulled him until the AQ patch fixed that shit. DPS could simply not dps as quickly as they should have been able to due to the lag. Add to that the wipes 15 secondes after pulling him that were regular and many guilds indeed threw the towel here.
Yeah, the respawns were a huge problem because of the size the raid. And back then half your raid couldn't mount because you could only use the AQ specific mount in there which meant everyone was at normal mount speed or running.
Thaddius was fun, so was razuvious, especially if you were one of the priests responsible for MC'ing, and the LoS yell mechanics? It's a shame that WotLK totally neutered one of the better raids out there.
@@Taalanos I had my ZG shitty hit gear for my priest to do MC's. I underestimated how touchy MC was and would outrange myself. Exhaustion on the add, it was time for rogues to evasion tank until we could get another one. Oh the memories. I still have a token on my priest for boots, just never had the wartorn scraps to turn it in =(
Was the guild that cheated on hard mode Yogg Saron the same Exodus that was on Shadow Council? Or a different Exodus... Shout out to when shadow council was relevant?? Maybe??
I like how the twitch chat acts like they beat them all
THIS BOSS AT THAT SPOT IS HE FUCKING HIGH COMPLETEL- true. True. Good point. Cogent remark. True. Excellent point. Agree.
I miss Brutallus on the List :/ He was really hard for the Tank Healers and the DPS Guys.
The most exciting thing in this video is zels appearance..
Complains about 7 bosses in Firelands, but claims to have fought MYTHIC Ragnaros
The other guy in the call is way more chill and not so butthurt like the main guy.
I know nothing about WOW, so watching Asmongold is like:
pepegeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Yeah... my guild was cockblocked on classic 4H in Naxx40 back in 2006.
We just didn't have enough tanks geared for it. >.
Naxx40 in 2006? Waw
@@jurgenbuntinx1 well this is correct, Naxx40 was released around june 2006 IIRC and the burning crusade was released early january of the next year.
What's the name of the image app at 02:30?
Sorry but the hardest boss in WoW history was Sapphiron or KelThuzad in Naxx.
didn’t even do Vanilla Naxx but still complains
How the fuck is blackfuse not number 1? That shit was absolute insanity.
I was in the 2nd guild in na to down heroic deathwing and I'll tell you this 1st this guy has no idea what hes talking about in the video yes it was easy af tbh had it on farm after first time we figured it out BUT the class death thing not at all our shadow priest was pulling over 120k dps on spine our feral druid was also pulling over 100k and me as a dk top geared on my elune server was pulling 100 or so depending on movement it wasnt class specific at all