Can The U.S. Power Grid Handle The EV Boom?
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- The EV revolution could put a major strain on the nation’s electric grid, an aging system built for a world that runs on fossil fuels. To upgrade the grid to meet growing electricity demand, the U.S. needs to build a massive amount of new transmission and distribution lines to connect new renewable energy resources to population centers. But there are major regulatory hurdles to grid infrastructure buildout, and the government is not investing near the amount that analysts say the nation needs in order to meet its electrification targets.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:42 - Increasing electricity demand
05:56 - Grid needs
09:33 - Challenges faced
12:19 - Future
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Can The U.S. Power Grid Handle The EV Boom?
this needs to be done regardless of the EV boom. our grid is antiquated and it’s a bit embarrassing that this country is falling behind and falling apart. not everything has to be political. a better and more efficient grid is a win for everyone.
what if i dont hv houses connected to the grid.
The grid is not antiquated. More electricity is being used/delivered than ever before and no one wants new transmission power lines.
Unfortunately, everything is political. In the US, one political party is dragging their feet while the other is trying.
@@mrrogers4591 It is. Much of the grid is from the 80s and before. On energy, the point is that demand is outstripping supply at an increasing pace. Of course we produce and use more energy today. But demand is rising faster than supply so we need to bridge the gap in production to avoid massive shortages in the near future. Extreme temperatures, expanding EVs and urban sprawl all require increased production and distribution of electricity to meet the rising demand.
@@tims8603 I don't know what happens in other states but in Texas thousands miles of new transmission lines have been installed over the last 20 years. It probably easier in Texas since FERC (federal government) approval is not required to do most energy related things.
Almost every country is going through this, all transmission lines need to be changed to put more megawatts where renewables are favoured to where they are not. This is not about the EV adoption but the grid overall and its modern smart capabilities.
Even without a transition to renewables energy demand is constantly increasing. At some point the infrastructure from decades ago gets overloaded and you just have to start some major projects to upgrade it no matter what.
IMO there is no need for large scale grids, especially in sunrich California. Generation and distribution should be local. Combining rooftop solar with community solar projects would be sufficient to provide for the electricity needs of communities. This has the added benefit of large corporations profiteering. Generation and consumption should be local.
@@versach49 it's way more efficient and reliable to share. There's times where your local generators are down for various reasons and you'd never know it since your power is being piped in from far away. There's a reason nearly every place around the world connects to much larger (typically international) grids where possible.
2:00 he said $3.5 to $5 trillion. That's over $10,000 per person in the country with the lower figure. If it was cheaper I think more people would be on board.
replace transmission lines? who's gonna pay for that? honestly this is all insane to me considering we have a cheap and readily available source of energy that isn't going anywhere anytime soon-oil. I for one will never own a electric car
It's like watching a worldbuilding video game play out in real time where you have to choose how to invest your limited resources: growing crops, building stuff, adding people to your team, etc, and you can't do everything at once that needs doing.
You nailed it with the magic word "bureaucracy." The US system is burdened with extensive regulations, bureaucracy, and corruption that permeate from local counties all the way up to the White House. The country is lagging behind by trillions of dollars in infrastructure development and it seems increasingly difficult to catch up without accumulating deeper debt.
Yet that does not apply to the bulk electric power system. Bulk electric power in North America is an international affair - US and Canada share the same system. If the US Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) and the Canada Energy Regulator (CER) agree, it shall be done. If not, not. The specters of corruption and bureaucracy are not a part of the picture.
Corruption, where and who???😮
Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing.
- After they have tried everything else.
Sadly this is more true of humans everywhere than it is comfortable to admit.
Seems odd to mock the only nation that has ever sent men to the moon-some 50 years ago!
Still the greatest country in the world, though. :)
@@turbofanlover You change your tune quick when you get cancer
@@turbofanlover Now that is more an indictment of the sad state of the world than anything.
Power grid couldn’t handle everyone getting home air conditioners decades ago, but we made it happen. The grid is broken and outdated, it needs a national clean super grid overhaul - if EVs are the catalyst for this than so be it
Exactly, and there’s a huge profit motive behind it which will motivate companies to invest into it.
Power grid couldn't handle everyone with a/c on decades ago? You mean now... don't remember what happened in Texas? Hell, we lost power last week during a power spike on a hot day.
@@matthewrupp5526 hence me saying it’s broken and outdated. Read in full before commenting, much?
Ask how well the ACs switching on in California does. California has brownouts all the time.
There is a big difference between the Eastern part of the country and the newer Western part of the country. The older parts naturally need rebuilding, so would need it regardless.
Local generation and distribution is the future. Limited grids required.
Yep, and there are ways for the utilities to make good money while at the same time not even having to gouge the consumer.
One day someone at the utilities is going to figure that out, and their utility will become a giant in the industry.
California's grid is sad and the Texas grid is even more pitiful.
No problem Ted just fly to Mexico 😄🔌
No one uses the Grid at night time, that is why it is CHEAPER, when most of us charge's up.
99% of evs only need to be recharged for 40 miles per day or less on average.
Don't make the mistake of thinking evs will be recharging 300 miles a day of range.
A small, cheap solar setup can charge 6 miles per day. I only drive my gasoline car 100 miles per week.
Exactly, like 5kW a day. Easily done in off peak times.
@@AORD72 And a 5kW system right now- runs about $4000 as long as it is off grid.
except the push for electrification in Commercial Transportation is set the SHOOT THAT 40 MILES A DAY METRIC ALL TO HELL (and back).
99% of EVs are passenger cars... private. In 10 years there will be semis on electric driving all over the place as well as delivery trucks, city buses....you can't base the future of EV use when they are everywhere and used for everything off today's usage when they are a small slice. In 10 years I would not be surprised to see the first trains and first planes running off electric. They are already working on both!
@@DarkPesco Yup! And I expect that those cases will
1) Have buffers and draw 24/7 at a fixed rate and then charge the vehicles from the buffers.
2) The grid in their area will be upgraded to handle them
3) Alternatively, they will *move* their vehicle facilities to areas where the grid can handle them.
40) They will use a *lot* of solar power since it is much less expensive than grid power. My home solar set up will run about 0.16c/kwh by the time it dies. No subsidies either! That's my out of pocket cost.
The good news is that the U.S. government is already taking steps to prepare the grid for the EV boom. The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which was passed in November 2021, includes $7.5 billion for grid modernization. This funding will help utilities upgrade the grid and install new technologies.
Facts. Biden gets a lot of harp, but this is one of the most transformative things American has done for the economy. It’s just takes +10 years to feel the effects and who ever is president in 2032 will get the praise for it.
We will never see it. Asia is so futureristic. America is too greedy. Look at Singapore, China, South Korea, Tokyo.......they are INCREDIBLE AWESOME! They are not afraid of changing. M
@@ursulasmith6402ey are also the size of moderately small states. Original commenter is an idiot. 7.5 billion is basically zero. High voltage transmission lines run into the tens of millions per mile . PCG is spending $30 billion for 10K miles. Multiply that by the whole hell of a lot more miles than that for high voltage and suddenly 7.5 billion isn’t a down payment.
This funding will be a great boondoggle for those that get to spend it. Don't expect any big results from this.
Sure, and if the utilities could come up with a way to make boatloads of money out renewable energy, we'd see a boom that would blow people away.
I live in California, they are asking people to conserve energy by not using large appliances like air conditioning in the Summer from 4:00-9:00 pm. It hits 90 degrees in my house in the middle of Summer. We have clean energy alternatives but people are "scared" of them. We desperately need our power grid update to happen sooner rather than later, I foresee brownouts again this Summer.
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Fortunately, this is also when solar+batteries make a huge difference. More people will also switch to more efficient heat pumps.
must be nice living in Commiefornia 😂😂
@@sp4604 hey would you like to go Solar
@@hiraonlineahop_pk not in Commiefornia.
If it can handle electric stoves, water heaters and central AC why not EVs.
The next Carrington event will be quite fun.
Nice to see Bill Murray working on the problem of energy infrastructure. Good for him.
every day is GROUNDHOG DAY in the energy distribution business!! 😂
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no wonder he knows so much about predicting energy usage. Its been the same day for him over n over. We should definitely be paying attention to bill.
We need to harden our grid against solar flares and emp attacks too. Might as well do this at the same time.
The most important part is to have fuses at transformer etc. It is no biggie to lose power a few hours, because EMP and solar storms are unlikely events. Besides a solar storm will affect the northern states near the auroras.
As others have pointed out, EMPs mean nuclear war. Solar flares only affect relatively small parts of North America, along the eastern seaboard. If a solar flare is detected (yes, the sun is monitored 24/7/365) vulnerable power lines can be switched out in plenty of time. Here in Arizona we have no vulnerable lines.
The utility companies have known for a decade that this demand is coming. The consumer is not to blame for wanting to use the utility. The utility company is to blame for not keeping up to demand.
Once these utilities figure out how to make lots of money out of renewables, it will shock people just how much electricity these utilities can actually produce!
@@jimthain8777 WE already know how to make lots of money out of renewables, don't buy any fuel.
Rate increases for utility upgrades and build outs rejected by PUC as unfair to low income consumers.. People who own solar now reject paying for grid upgrades. Utilities have only stabilized electric demand by HE appliances, LED light, bulbs, daylight savings time. Progressive California will soon electricity not on usage, but on income levels. Punish nasty rich people who buy electric vehicles!
Especially in rural areas of the US, micro grids will be the future. Why run horribly expensive power lines to any small town in Utah, Nevada, etc?
To secure space to upgrade the lines should those towns grow. Other utilities like fuel and internet fiber lines would run similar paths when demand grows past trucks and antennas.
Iowa has had a ton of wind farms go up the past decade. One of the windiest states. Theyre in better shape than a lot of states.
Big super-grids are a thing of the past, optimised for large centralised producers (thermal generation), and large consumers (smelters/arc furnaces/factories). Now the grid more about moving small amounts of energy over longer periods, with localised storage, consumption and storage.
It'll be fine.
My EV consumes about 10% of my household total, so the EV isn't the problem....
Why the big grids? Reliability in the big picture. When I lived in Phoenix a community in West Phoenix had a microgrid that connected to community grid. I don't know what the advantage was, but then one day the transformer faulted. Replacement would cost more than $1,000,000. I never learned how that worked out.
One of the huge advantages of the large grids (here in the West it stretches from the Arctic Circle to Mexico basically west of the Rockies. We will never have the problem Texas had with their one-state grid in February 2021.
I don't berate anybody for not knowing how the bulk electric power system in their country works. It is complicated in all sorts of ways - technical, regulatory, economic.... I worked there for 34 years and still had questions when I retired.
@@flagmichaeland on the flip side you can have 1 utility near Cleveland that screws up and blacks out the entire north east.
Ultimately we use mega grids to aggregate different types of demand and generation to make management easier and keep prices down.
Microgrids are great for improving reliability by having the option of disconnecting from a damaged grid and operating in "island mode". They also tend to cover select loads like hospitals, police stations, schools, universities, and apartment complexes. (Single family homes tend to not be worth hooking into a microgrid)
Two words: Distributed Solar. PV panels on every roof and EV batteries feeding some power into the grid when the vehicles are parked. Big power grids are fine, but we can do a lot by small scale, distributed power generation to take the pressure off the main grid.
Yes, and if you decide to drive across the US you'll need an extension cord that is 2500 miles long!
Yes my thoughts exactly. Putting generation in the usage centers solves two problems at once. With some form of net metering, people with the roof space will be incentivized to invest in surplus generation and storage.
VPPs!
@@kens805 if you can't contribute something of value....
@@kens805 i dont think you understand how EVs work
Norway’s now nearly 20% EV and has had *no* issues whatsoever with the grid. Due to incredibly basic physics, anyone who says the grid can’t handle EVs with just basic upgrades doesn’t know what they’re talking about. It’s just a ploy to try and slow governmental incentivization.
With 80% of new car sales now EVs and without dire consequences.
Norway had always a lot of cheap electrity. Thats the reason why they already have a strong grid (built from beginning) Thats expensive though and only economical if power is cheap. Thats simply not the case in most countries.
Time for the US to invest in upgrading their power grid and their infrastructure. The US power grid and infrastructure are in very poor conditions and need upgrading ASAP!
Nuclear, especially small modular reactors are the quickest, cheapest and the ONLY way we can make our carbon goals. This is urgent
Not only.
Most BEV will be charged at night when other demands will be minimal. Having BEV smart charge can actually minimize the peak and valley demands. It BEV can be used as a storage solution than the demand can be flattened to an unprecedented extent.
Yes, these videos with speculations are all over youtube. Look at Norway, it had the biggest increase in EV purchases, and it had more power than sweden (the neighbor country) that had to purchase Electricity last winter, despite only 5 percent of the population having EV's). So yeah, lot's of opinions - very little facts.
Look to Spain for better solutions, extensive high speed rail between major population centers connecting to well developed metro area transit. Much more efficient and less expensive. It is also better for those that need to drive.
Unfortunately, people in apartments don’t have the luxury of their own charger. Even if one is installed in each building, imagine the wait time?
@@jeremypearson6852 I imagine in the near future more apartment buildings will be built and renovated with connections. Just like AC it will eventually be a competitive advantage for rentals that have it.
@@barryrobbins7694 You are right, but in America it is an chicken and egg thing. People don’t use mass transit, because it is frequently slower and less convenient. So no one wants to invest into mass transit to make it faster and more convenient.
Imagine how much energy would be saved with work-from-home.
Turn off street lights. Lower ceilings in these mega stores.
I always use more electricity when I work at home.
@@NAY2GAS yes, but no fuel for car, less wear and tear on car which is less and not having to fight traffic is less on your stress levels for the day.
@@valeriebolton2607and now they want to ban fuel cars for electric
My take. Here in Texas we have made great effort to do residential solar. I have a 4,800 watt solar roof and thinking of adding 50% more. My car will use half of the daily output. The state is determined not to add power plants Incentives for homes is growing.
In California they just got rid of net metering. So now going solar is 50% more expensive since you have to buy a battery. And that is on top of the high costs of going solar because of the high cost of labor. I am just glad I am grandfathered into net metering.
@@jamestucker8088 You do not really have to buy a battery. However, if you want to make the money math work, you may want to look at carefully aligning your Time-of-Production and Time-of-Use.
You drive your car about 100 to 120 miles per day? My understanding is that It's 25kwH per 100 miles.
@@macmcleod1188 3- 3.5 miles per kw. I was driving average 80 miles to 90 per day. The daily output is 24-26 kWh. The summer Sun track has shifted to the north so much I need to take advantage of 2-6 pm Sun track on the western face of my roof. I have a lead foot and use 16-17 % each direction Full A/C and I go with the flow of traffic. Over 8K miles on Mach-e in 3.5 mo. I drive it a lot. Charge 500 kWh at home per month 85%. 15% at free or pay charging stations. My LYRIQ is ordered and range anxiety will be a thing of the past. 309 miles verses 224 on Mach-e.
If people get 5 KW of home solar per electric car, they can actually use less electricity than when they did not have solar and a electric car. So I am not worried about the grid, if people will install some solar each time they buy a electric car. In your case, maybe a total of 12 - 15 KW considering your HVAC needs and 2 cars.
In north Texas I’ve seen a building boom since 1982. At no point did anyone ask if the grid could handle all those McMantions with 2 or even 3 AC units each.
Texas has a pathological fear of connecting to the rest of the country. That's why their grid fails when the weather gets extreme.
Problem with recent Texas McMansion Architecture is the roof lines are so chopped up it is hard to place Solar PV.
@@philtimmons722 I would not get solar in Texas. The pro oil and gas people will find a way to punish you even if they have to work through third parties like HOAs and buddies in the insurance business. It happened in Florida and even in California. Chilling effect? You bet! I did buy EVs and now find out I'll be paying $200 per year to register them but that's still worth it. I'm guessing the folks that sell solar have near zero lobby dollars.
California peak demand has only gone up about 4% in the last twenty years. Roof top solar has taken a big bite out of peak electricity demand. I don’t use any electricity during peak demand with solar and a Power Wall.I use a small amount at night to meet my minimum charge.
You seem to be confused, you have replaced one source of electricity for another, that didn't reduce your demand, just the source of your electricity. What if the Russians blow up a nuclear power station and cause the world to go into a deep freeze? You won't have any solar power.😁😁
Also high frequency transformers that are extremely efficient, e.g. a dishwasher 30 years ago might have used 20 Watts on standby, now it might be 1 Watt). LED lightbulb, incandescent were 100 Watts now 10 Watts for the same amount of light. Bar heater 2kW, now heat. pump ~0.6kW for the same amount of heat.
Only gone up 4% in the last two decades yet they still struggle to meet demand and even have suffered failure....which means they need massive upgrades! AC demand will skyrocket in the next decade, as well...longer and hotter summers tend to do that.
@@DarkPesco California does not struggle to meet demand anymore than anywhere else and far better than places like Texas. The times power is secured is primarily because of the fire hazard not lack of supply.
@@matthewhuszarik4173Glad you’re flattening the duck curve! One thing that surprises non-California EV owners is that California EV owners are better off charging in the middle of the day than the middle of the night (to take advantage of high solar production).
Love how a video about the issues with the Power Grib barely mentions Nuclear Power when its the best source of power generation humans have ever made
Agree, who is up to killing the last desert tortoise for a. gigawatt solar farm.
No it is not 😂😂😂 especially for america 😂 you guys talk about nothing over there do you?
Also it’s killed less people per kWh than any other power source!
@@brandontierney9489 and is the most expensive per kwh
I started switching to solar 8 years ago first out of necessity and then out of it was just less expensive than going on the grid. It was a slow buildup for me which gave me the opportunity to learn on the go how to install and maintain the solar system myself. That greatly reduces the cost of solar.
Upfront cost for me to go on the grid was at least 3,000 dollars. 1500 for just the hookup and then at least that much more for the powerpole, trenching and all the other stuff you need. I just put that into a small but good-sized solar system and some golf cart batteries. Three years later its paid for itself and then I started adding more panels to it and beginning the switch to Lithium batteries. The goal is to keep adding to it slowly so it's paying for itself as I go.
Even the smaller starting solar system was meeting my basic electricity and cooling needs easily. Now I am getting to where I can pretty much do anything a person hooked up to the grid can do electricity wise.
I was renting a decent sized propane tank. I've gotten to where I was using so little propane the company got snotty with me over it. I made them come take the tank away! It is pretty cool when you get to that point, and you can say I am my own power company!
It's cool that a select few can do this but it should never have come to this point. It's dangerous to keep large lithium batteries in your house or garage and it also hurts the supply of batteries for EV's. If they are second-life batteries then I am on board. People should actually look into Flow battery systems instead as they are safer and the solution can be recycled easier. Large power companies should also be buying up these flow batteries and use them as microgrids in areas where needed and also capture excess solar energy during the day. I think 7 Billion in funding would go a lot further in setting up these systems instead of dealing with all the politics of rebuilding more power lines.
@@MrBadbonesaw Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries seem to be safe and reliable these days. I don't worry about having 45kWh of LFP battery storage in my house. Also they last a long time - 6000 full charge-discharge cycles or more, and we only partly cycle them each day.
The US needs less electric cars and more electric trains 🚝🛤🚇🚎🚲
Make it easier for off-grid living. The more off-grid people, the less stress on the grid.
I really hope nuclear generation is used more in the future alongside wind and solar
The two reactors being added in Georgia (Vogtle plant) are the last ones being built in the US. That project started in 2009 and is over $30 billion. Current nuclear is just too slow and too expensive to build. Existing nuclear is fine. Once the plants are up and running, they are pretty cheap to run. So keep what we have going, beyond their original lives with upgrades.
Nuclear is very expensive electricity, I'll stick to the cheaper alternative of wind, solar, and batteries.
@@wineberryred batteries are expensive and can’t be scaled up feasibly. Nuclear can be cheap by using new reactor designs and continuing to research potential technologies
@@TheLiamster Its a challenge but not insurmountable. First, it's unlikely that lithium will be used for grid scale storage. There is plenty of research going into non-Lithium storage that are optimized like liquid-metal and flow batteries, compressed CO₂, gravity, to name a few.
These alternative energy storage technologies sacrifice high volumetric density but gain by being _a third_ the cost of lithium while supplying _many_ times the cycle count and even unlimited cycle count.
Stationary grid-scale energy storage simply does not need the high energy densities that are paramount in EV applications. That high power density complicates the chemistry and manufacturing of lithium batteries. Stationary batteries will be made of common materials.
@@TheLiamster Nuclear is actually infeasible based on just build times! It takes a decade to build one a new plant from scratch. New nuclear construction is perpetually plagued with being over-budget by *billions* and over-schedule by *years* each and every time. Nuclear power is the long running joke in the energy construction industry.
Proposed SMR technology is far from proven. Even if built faster, there's not guarantee it can scale. SMR are purposely much smaller in wattage for transportability but will suffer from lacking "economies of scale" which have driven current nuclear power plants to be on the larger capacity range (gigawatts).
There are safety tradeoffs that SMR must make for economy and size. SMR might not actually be safer than traditional nuclear but just have different safety characteristics.
The nuclear industry is understandably _very_ conservative and cautious. But this means SMR will be all the slower to reach market provided it can even compete.
New nuclear is the most expensive form of energy while wind & solar are reaching ever lower record low costs. On top of this, even people are against having wind and solar farms around them. Can you imagine NIMBYism for nuclear power? People don't want a nuclear power plant within a county of them.
Look at France which has a high percentage of nuclear power on their grid. But they are now in *big* trouble with aging nuclear power plants that average *39* years old! The oldest reactors (Bugey-2,3,4,5) are over 44 years old! France has not paid the necessary maintenance or invested in engineers and even the specialized welders needed to maintain and build them. France will largely *not* be replacing these plants with new nuclear which tells you something doesn't it? France has not built a new nuclear power plant since the 1997 and those took almost a decade to come online. France's neighbor Germany has shut down all nuclear plants with no plans to build any.
If you put solar on your roof, the transmission distance is zero.
The U.S. grid needed to be overhauled anyway. Before the latest growth of EVs, there were grid failures. They could be caused by something breaking, a storm/fire/flood, or foreign governments attacking our infrastructure.
A real example are domestic terrorists. See: neo-Naxis and C0nservatives
Something you could have foreseen 20 years ago. Yet, politics, energy companies and more, wait until it's already too late.
Its never to late, Elon will save us!
Rubbish. As if a electricity company hasn't accounted for this. They are happy to supply more electricity to make more profits.
We’ve gone mostly off grid. We put big solar systems on our two rental houses and the cabin we live in, all of which we built or remodeled ourselves as super efficient, well insulated and fire resistant. We bought a used Bolt from my brother in law and are saving up for home batteries and waiting to replace my old Dodge Ram with an 80s Toyota sized electric truck. I installed the solar kits myself, so payoff for the panels will be in less than five years. years. As we charge it at home, the Bolt costs much less to drive than an ICE. The batteries will take a while to pay off, but over time, will still cost much less than electricity from our price gouging utility monopoly.
We have three reasons for our plan to be completely off grid within the next few years. 1. Kick our price gouging utility monopoly in the teeth. PG&E is more crooked than Enron and we are doing our part to drive a stake in their black heart. 2. Save money. God willing, will be in this home for the next thirty years. So, if we invest now, we will build much more wealth as we prepare for retirement. 3. Fight the climate crisis. As relatively early adapters, our purchasing decisions now have a big impact on the further development of green technologies. 4. Prepping. We are low key preppers and there are a lot of real threats to the electrical grid. I’ve got big dogs and other things to discourage bad people from coming on our property. We have a half a year of food in the pantry. Our water is gravity fed. We have a wood stove and a few acres of woods to supplement our solar powered electric heat. Our power went out for ten days after a blizzard this winter. Our neighbors with gas and diesel generators all ran out of fuel after a few days. We did fine.
i bet you smell your own farts too
@@freeheeler09ahahahahahahaah your folks crack me up. Thinking you will survive if society collapses. The only people who will survive that are tribes living in the jungle or aboriginals living in the middle of the Outback. I ASSURE you if society falls your family will be killed immediately like everyone else. You can’t even comprehend what 8 billions humans with no food or water will become. But I assure you anyone living within even 2k miles of a city will be overrun and killed.
The point is-the US grid needs to be upgraded. And we all know certain people in Washington are going to have to be dragged along kicking and screaming considering their mission to keep the US permanently in the 1970s.
The US grid has increased in capacity 5x (500%) since the 50's. To move to all EVs we only need to increase the grid capacity about 20%. Most EV charging is done off-peak and actually helps balance the grid (increasing overall utilization). Everyone also forgets that we'll be using less electricity to refine fossil fuels which helps offset the increased usage. The fossil fuel infrastructure uses a lot of electric power. The statement that our electric usage hasn't increased in 25 years is way off, data centers created a huge increase in electric demand from 1998 to 2012 before it started to level off.
not bad -- you are pretty close. 20% Add for 100% EV, but then deduct 10% for the reduced Oil Processing. Net increase is 10% across 20 years. That was the general model. But now it turns out that over 1/3 of EV owners also get Solar PV -- creating a Net Deduct of their entire house, along with the EV. If this continues the final Utility Total at 20 years is a Net Negative. Data Centers are only about 1 to 2% of the Total Grid. Nuisance with Data Centers is not the load but the requirements for High Reliability. But look for that use to drop with near term technology shifts.
Uh, 50 miles a day in a model 3 is an extra 10kwh per car. i.e. every household with 2 cars increases residential demand from 30 kwh/day to 50kwh/day.
@@Effervescent_Smegma You can do the big picture math by looking at US Total Miles Drive (per year) = 3.22E12. And average Watt-hours per mile = 250 Watt Hours. So 3.22E12 x 250 = 805E12 Watt Hours. Current US Total Electricity is about 4E15 Watt Hours. So (805E12 / 4E15) x 100% give about a 20% increase. But then deduct the present electricity used in the Oil industry and it is only a 10% increase. Spread that across 20 years and it becomes 1/2% increase per year. Home Solar PV is expanding quicker than that, so the net effect is a overall reduction in Utility Grid generated electricity. -- with ALL Electric Ground Transport.
@@philtimmons722what's this E in your equation? What type of math is this? I'm not familiar with this math. Are others?
If Sen. Manchin is heading this you'll see more FOSSIL FUELS being incorporated into the grid. His state is HEAVILY involved in COAL.
When thinking of going electric for my car, I wanted it to be a clean source. I took advantage of some good incentives in 2011 and moved to solar. My solar energy production is far above my consumption now (more than a 60% reduction in electric). Starting in 2016, I started with a blower door test on my home, as well as other audits. Found the weaknesses and made moves to tighten the leaks in my home, went to super efficient heat pumps for heating/cooling (gas backup) and a clothes dryer, as well as a on demand tank-less water heater (gas). So, by making these efforts reality, helped to reduce the amount of energy consumed, well offsetting the greater need for more electrical equipment. Remember, YOU cannot make a fossil fuel, but you can make clean solar power! And that my friend is by design.
I quit using a clothes dryer...just hang dry. I keep waterheater turned off...when hot water is needed just turn heater on and have all hot water needed in 20 minutes.
My electric bills average $50 - $60/month.
@@JusticeAlways excellent!! My bill is a credit of $320.00
Thermal depolymerization turns landfill and other waste products into fossil fuels.
I'm pretty happy with my move to solar. I wasn't able to install a system to replace all my demand, but it covers about half. Since I'm on a tiered power use system, it lowers my overall bill by more than half. Additionally, I when I leave on vacation, it actually makes money (net metering). The system will break even in about 7 more years.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xc That is so cool! You are making a difference, thank you!
I support any initiative that moves us away from fossil fuels. Not because I’m an environmentalist. But because of geopolitical concerns. Like with opec+, I hate that our energy prices are reliant on their supply and demand. Take their energy price leverage away, US can have the upper hand
EV runs on lithium and other rare earth metals that China and other coumtries against the US have much claims on. Are you sure EV is geopolitically sound? that is, unless you are against the US..
Electrification will create millions of jobs in the world not just America. It will be wonderful to be free from the enslavement by the fossil fuel companies.
drill baby drill
Not how that works. OPEC+ includes Russia, caused worldwide havoc when they only produce 10% of worlds oil supply. The US supplies 18.5% and is the largest producer of oil today.
It's arguably a good sign than the Saudis (whom we have a problematic relationship with) are having to explore partnerships with China now that America no longer really relies on MidEast oil with all the security commitments in a chronically troubled region that entails.
They will worry about that once they have everybody trapped with electric vehicles with no other choice .
You want choice ? Move to a walkable city. Cars need energy.
Great story CNBC! This big question has not yet been answered. If the majority of the electric grids are already operating at maximum capacity, how can we then increase EV usage which consume massive amounts of electricity during charging? Large countries like India to small countries like Cuba have not invested in their power infrastructure in years.
Massive amounts? I charge an EV and didn't even notice any increase in my bill. You're exaggerating for effect
It's not massive amounts. It's about 15% more electricity needed if 100% of people drove EVs.
Batteries Stations will be really important part of Evs development
Of course it can’t. Our power grid could barley sustain power on summer days back some years ago? now imagine with the EV boost especially with the promoted EV rebates by govt?
Free market will solve these. Thankfully we have a good govt under Biden passing EV initiatives to protect the planet. Our kids and grandkids will thank us. Personally the govt will solve these and good things develop (like internet )
there is a hidden answer to you in those comments, which was censored...
its not the grid... its the production, transmission lines (high volts) can transmit alot more than they are ever designed for...
loading of batteries can be done at very low watts, its that they just want to do it fast..
its all convience. Jason its advert for companies
@@astemet If you sorted out all these details, you would be on the right track, but this doesn't make any sense as it stands. (I am a retired grid operator).
Electrical companies don't over build. The build to maximize profits. When there is demand they build more.
Everyone I know that has an EV charges them late at night when the rates are low. So the grid is charging cars instead of running air conditioning units. So the real problem is storing green energy for when its needed not EVs getting charged over night.
CNBCs prediction of the rate of electric vehicle adoption certainly didn't age well.
Utility companies fight consumer solar panels, they do not want it since consumers would make money off excessive solar supply. We need to change laws to allow consumers to sell electricity to the grid at profit. It will resolve all future electric demand issues.
From a gas tank to a battery tray, it’s a big shift! With EV prices, I think it will be awhile to have a lot of worry over the grid.
a fully loaded hyundai sonata or toyota camry and a tesla model 3 cost pretty much nearly the same. EV prices overall arent as high anymore.
Is this a real question? It can't handle when people turn the AC on. 😂
Our grid system is growing faster than demand. New appliances are far more energy efficent than 10 years ago. WAy cheaper to build the grid than refineries and pipelines.
As a Solar employee, it’s not just the EV industry that’s been impacted but ALSO the Solar industry especially in California.
All systems sold now to residential MUST include a backup battery because there’s too much power being imported to the grid so they’re making Homeowners store power on their own.
Batteries retail from anywhere between $15-17grand so basically if an HO goes solar, before, their new electric bill could be like $90 for example. Now w/ batteries, lowest bill solar can do for them is like $150.
Public utilities need to just update the grid plain and simple
Batteries are not required. Just work on Aligning the Time-of-Use with Time-of-Production.
@@philtimmons722 batteries are absolutely required if they want to see savings - the pinnacle point of going residential Solar in the first place
Telling HO’s to avoid TOU w Solar is like telling HO’s not to drive their automobile during Rush Hour
Problem
@@jpmcfrosty Batteries COST -- A LOT. Most Solar PV homeowners enjoy the cost savings of aligning Solar Time-of-Production and Time-of-Use. Typically Air Conditioning. It is like a set-back thermostat -- in reverse. If you have Solar PV, you can run your Air Conditioning especially during the Solar PV production time (typically 8 am to 4 pm) -- has your house all cool before the heat of the day hits. Same on EV Charging, same on Water Heating. Really not that difficult and saves from the need for batteries. You do not actually do any of this in the Real World, right?
Yes, but the utilities will have to spend money on improvements instead of spending all of their billions on dividends and stock buyback.
Why would they do that? They are not your government, they are businesses owned by shareholders.
You really need to look into this farther, My utility stock is not making much money, and I can't get them to buy back any stock at all. I thought my dividends were regulated by the state regulatory agency.
The main thing is that EVs need fast charge on long trips. For the rest of activities, you can always charge at home
not everyone can charge at home tho.
We need more trains 🚄🚋🚝🚞🛤🚈🚟
None of these reports seems include the fact that most people will charge their EV's at night when a lot of industrial, commercial, and residential use is reduced from 8pm until 6am. This reduces a significant additional load on the grid. The grid will need improvement just due to the forecast load growth from industrial, commercial and residential anyway.
Renewables still need non-renewables as a backup when they aren't generating enough power to meet demand. In any electric grid it operates at a certain frequency, and there's a very low tolerance either side of that frequency. Go outside of that range and bits of the grid will start to trip out. Power stations can't just be turned on at the drop of a hat, so they have to be running all the time, they need to be able to ramp up generation to whatever amount is needed, in an instant.
In Europe last summer, some hydroelectric dams stopped generating electric when water levels got too low. France had problems with their nuclear plants, iirc the water used to cool the reactors got too warm so they had to reduce output to stop the reactors from overheating
You're right. In the U.S., the frequency is 50-60Hz. In Texas, natural gas is the primary, wind and solar is the backup up. Fossil fuels has to be the primary and not the back up.
@@Wolfcamp555 I was watching a vid on CZcams once about when a large area of grid (think it was somewhere in the US) crapped itself with one part going, the lines where the load got diverted to couldn't handle the excess load, think it was cables sagging, touching trees and then tripping out
@@leeroberts1192 probably the northeast or California.
Water level and temperature are solely a problem for the environment, not the reactor
@@LightBulb-tu6uz How do you expect the reactor to be kept cool without cold/cool water circulating through the cooling pipes?
Nuclear power! The most energy dense production that could solve our electricity issues with just a few reactors!
Look at small modular reactors and hopefully molten salt thorium reactors. We have to change to survive..... maybe 100 stations across the US in 10 years would be a really good start.
EMP grid protection: If we are going to be making significant upgrades to our power grid for future electric vehicle use, then this might also be a good opportunity to simultaneously make the power grid resistant to "electromagnetic pulse" [EMP] events. These can be caused by the Sun, or by a terrorist weapon, and can destroy items powered by electricity. In particular, our current power grid is extremely vulnerable to an EMP event. Very bad consequences would arise from losing significant portions of our power grid, including the deaths of millions because modern civilization is so dependent on the power grid.
Sorry, there's not much we can do to strengthen against a nuclear weapon.
Why don't you make a scary movie?
In alot of ways, they already have.
After the mega-outage of 2003, which was caused by a solar storm based EMP that led to the cascading blackout, utility companies started hardening their system, and this would make it more robust for manmade EMPs as well.
That's not to say there wouldn't be localized outages, but the cascading failures of past outages are far less likely.
Already mitigation systems in place. Already have fuses, caps etc. What happens when lightning strikes, a car hit a power pole, a tree fall on a line, sections are isolated then quickly repaired. Anyway, humans can still live without power. All it would take is some time to repair.
What this means is -- they expect the Government to pay for them to make money.
The US power grid can't even handle weather.
The Karno technology that Hyliion is developing seems like it would help the power shortage.
I’m always a bit confused by these talks about needing to increase transmission lines. It wasn’t until the very end that they briefly mentioned distributed power generation with roof top solar and batteries. Why not focus more on building energy where you need it than transmitting it all over the place? We’ll still need the transmission lines to balance the power supply, but each home’s demands could easily be reduced with solar and batteries and that’s all you need to keep the grid capacity at the current rates.
EVs are only a short term answer to a longterm problem: How to enable people to efficiently travel. Even EVs are not efficient enough for widespread use. We need to develop HSR networks, and better metro area transit systems.
The big issue with distributed RE generation is the Variability of it.
Yes it will and does help but local wind/ solar droughts are much more common than ones over large areas.
(Sometimes it makes more sense just to move the power over long distances rather than over build power generation.)
I think EVs are a bigger opportunity than a challenge most people really don't need to charge an EV every day if people can plug the car in and leave it in a charge on cheap power mode
@@barryrobbins7694 france has a large hsr that there average citizen cannot afford to use its mostly business travlers that can use them ordinary people fly or drive and gov subsities just shifts cost to taxpayers or to national dept that causes inflation the hardest tax on most people
@@jar407 The situation is different in Italy and other places.
@@jar407 If not everyone is able to use it then it's not large enough.
- Where will you get so much capacity to charge all EV?
- From the wall!
Like it came to the power outlet by magic. Meanwhile regular shutoffs happened often in the summer. Production and delivery is a big question
Thanks for sharing your information
Vehicle 2 Grid could actually reduce the grid load due to distributed supply. But we do need a smarter grid.
Exactly.
Bingo.
wallbox quasar 2 should be the charger standard
Be careful what you wish for. I was the Smart Grid IT guru in Flagstaff from 2010 when the system was installed to 2018 when I retired. It was a simple affair, about 35 switches connected through spread spectrum radios providing info and control among the smart devices in the system. For those three dozen devices the level of complexity was enormous. Virtually all Smart Grid systems today are bleeding edge.
I'm not going to degrade my vehicle when I'm not using it. Stupid suggestion
This is why people need to take their households energy needs into their own hands
If only utilities would rent/lease solar to poorer households.
Then it wouldn't just be those who can afford it using solar.
And install hybrid or off grid inverters. The new net metering policies are getting so tilted in the power company's favor (thanks to all the lobbying) that it's turning into a total joke to feed back into the grid.
@@jimthain8777 yes, charging poorer households to save money seems legit.
Tell your leader's who are motivating people to switch to EV , the politicians should start using Electric vehicles wherever they go as they travel in large convoy's 50-60 cars at a time but a common Man on 1car at a time so , these politicians should set a good example among the populous and switch to EV's so people can look up to them as a role model and can do the same .
Let's see how many of these politicians who are advising people to go Electric 🚗 would do that and apply on themselves first .
In the mid 1970's I painted high voltage steel tower's while energized.
No safety lines, no safety belts, or harnesses. The utility companies wouldn't even allow ropes, for fear of getting into a hot line.
I doubt much tower painting is happening nowadays.
There is no EV boom, nor will there ever be without force.
Maybe we should encourage people to drive really efficient vehicles like the Aptera.
I can’t wait for mine!
@@valleyofiron125 I agree that we need to spend more money on separate bike paths that can get you wherever you want to go.
so. mandatory lobotomies?
people are so stuck on this aptera, its going to be a pipe dream. Aerodynamics do not matter as much as other things being efficient.
a tesla model 3 has to use at or less than 255whpm to achieve its EPA range.
a SR model 3 gets max EPA 272. trust me, that is nearly impossible unless you are on steady freeway trip.
in vegas summer, i cant see less than 380whpm. maybe 350whpm depending on other factors. but simply put, you just loss 1/3 of that range automatically just for it being in the summer. but once the sun goes down and stops blaring its ugly heat on us and those stupid ass glass roofs they use that absorb heat are not absorbing the baking hot sun anymore, my whpm number drops to under 300whpm and often fairly close to 270whpm. this tells you that an already aerodynamic vehicle gets worse simply due to outside temp killing the battery because its powering the AC, cooling system, battery management etc harder until it cools down outside below 100F and no sunlight.
EVs are SUPER SENSITIVE TO ENVIRONMENT.
EVs have to be more efficient in other ways, not just aero. aero is a very small minor hinderance or improvement in comparison to real world use within cars of the same general class. (sedans vs suv). this no charge solar pipe dream is essentially a golf cart in comparison.
Of course it can, if we can get some permitting reform through congress while training and hiring more electricians
yeah good luck with that. have you seen the government ever work fast?
@@MuiKaHowhen they have an opportunity to go to war.
@@MuiKaHowell there have been some movement with the debt ceiling deal making some reforms, but it not the comprehensive reform needed. I think they will get it done by this year because it’s very important if we want to meet the targets
@@MuiKaHoStop voting republican and we can get these things done.
@@MuiKaHoYes, they worked fast in placing illegitimate SCOTUS judges literally a week before the 2020 election. They sure do work fast when it’s to help the corrupt and elite
Time to take ALL of the Oil profits from the oil cartels, and put it directly to the grid infrastructure.
There is no mention of converting from high voltage transmission lines to ultra-high voltage transmission lines. China, the biggest market for EVs, is installing their first ultra-high voltage transmission lines with plans for the first ultra-high voltage DC transmission lines.
More air conditioning and longer summers will really strain the system also. Grid needs updating especially for EMP issues
No more gas stoves in new homes
Curious what EMP issues? Solar flares are really about it. The other’s nuclear weapons, but you have worse problems to deal with if it comes to that.
In this case, decentralization is where it's at. Things like redox flow batteries in homes making up a virtual decentralized battery system. In conjunction with rooftop solar to emphasize decentralized production. At least for neighborhoods.
Also, if we could normalize geomass heatpumps, that would be great. Basically just a normal heat pump system, but instead of an outdoor unit with a fan, it just goes through tubes placed in the ground. Way more efficient for relatively little change in system.
EMP is a public perception problem. As AsianBob7 points out, it is impractical to harden against and not one of the big concerns in the real world. I was in sixth grade during the Cuban Missile Crisis and nobody was talking about EMPs, just fallout and death.
@@DaveQZ85 Solar flares would be the main reason. Although a huge one is pretty rare it would only take one to send us back to the middle ages.
I think that Tony Seba "Rethink X" has the right answers. No mention of Mega packs from Tesla and BYD by Clifford or the fact that most EVs charge off peak while we sleep. More complete research on the whole subject would have helped. The grid will most certainly become more decentralized with the decrease of solar panels and LFP batteries.
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Like always, excellent video CNBC
Natural disasters will definitely screw up things if power lines fall down
A great video. Lost in this analysis, though, is that oil and gas exploration is extremely electricity intensive. Everything from exploration, to extraction, to refining, to distribution. To the degree electrification reduces the activity of the oil and gas industry it will help offset some of these challenges.
I guess they tend to forget how much electricity it takes to export millions of gallons of jet fuel and gas from Texas to the Eastern States. And to pump gas and jet fuel to Las Vegas and Utah from Long Beach California refineries. So less gas produced means less pollution in California too!
@@Kangenpower7 You're 100% correct. Looking at it holistically, there's nearly as much electricity per mile travelled in a gasoline-powered car as there is in an electric car. But the gas car is ALSO burning gas. Unbelievably inefficient.
I have solar and it’s so awesome. Definitely recommend if you can!
Many energy efficient appliances are arriving from Europe who have used this tech for decades. As energy prices increase usa more heat pump hvac, heat pump dryer, heat pump water heater, geothermal heat pump 20-40% more efficient than separate furnace/ac system. No ways to conserve a precious commodity. ⚡️
In 1973 around 38% of electricity was generated globally by burning coal.
In 2019. After spending billions on “green” energy projects, the amount of electricity generated by burning coal dropped to 37%…
YES.
As long as EV owners are responsible (like ME) they can make the grid MORE reliable.
I have a tesla and a 20kW Solar on my house. I charge during the day and STILL have power left to feed the grid.
Even irresponsible people can be mitigated by peak charging rates.
@@erickanter4090 we will have fusion power within 20 years, maybe a working demo unit sooner
Sure -- over 1/3 of EV owners also get Solar PV. And like you, most cancel out the house and the car. Net effect of this is even if everyone went to EVs (with still only 1/3 getting Solar PV) . . . the total load on the Grid will DECREASE. But not much drama in that.
@@erickanter4090 Nukes are far weaker than Solar PV. Most Nukes in the US are slotted to be shut down in the US in the years ahead.
Tank you Sir. Not everybody as the economical power to do so.
Yes as long as we build Solar, Wind, and Nuclear plants ahead of time to maintain the demand. Then cut out the power waste and redistribute the power towards EV.
Additionally we need to engineer cities to be more walkable and enhance public transport to improve energy efficiency as well as a healthier society. We can do it it’s just people need to stop being lazy.
I don’t think it’s lazy as much as cheap. Nobody wants to pay taxes, but want all the benefits of high investment in infrastructure. Go figure.
😂 At wind and solar
Very relevant topic!
The solution to the supply problem can be said in one word: NUCLEAR. No, renewables on their own (no matter how interdependent you make the grid) are *not* going to be sufficient. You *must* have a baseload power source, right now that's mostly coal/oil with a smattering of nuclear, it needs to be all nuclear.
A few ways to handle the "EV Boom"
*Create better supporting laws for solar installation in personal homes, businesses, and rental properties. (Will reduce significant demand with proper setup of solar install, as most people will be driving locally majority of the time)
*Promote less car centric culture by building actual public transit that works for all people, including rich, not just poor. A train is significantly more efficient at carrying 1000 people than even full 100 cars would be capable of.
The same with making sure that we focus less on suburban and rural, and build urban cities where you can walk five minutes to get to most places and not have to get into a car within that time and then drive 10 minutes just to pick up a gallon of milk. Our land zoning needs to be removed, if people want to build a business or a grocery store next to my place, let them, regulate the negative effects, not what can be and cannot be build in already zoned area.
No zoning law = Houston. Houston might be the least efficient city in the U.S. might need to rethink what you’re advocating for.
Peak grid usage will not change very much from EVs. The vast majority of people only charge at home in the middle of the night the grid is running at a fraction of it's capacity. The only real change is to have more nighttime generation available using peaking plants or batteries storing solar/wind generated during the day.
You still need the grid to charge it. It have nothing to do with peak usage.
Solar "generators" are coming on line. I get a kwH per day from 16sq feet. That's about 8% of my daily usage. I use 380 kwH per month.
That's power I no longer pull from the grid. My incremental cost is $800. I can add storage for $499 and generation for $200. Their lifespan is 3000 to 5000 cycles. That's over 10 years.
@@saulgoodman2018 You already have the grid. It can supply well over double the demand during the day than currently exists at night. Instead of running your AC, electricity appliances, and other large loads as you do during the day you charge your vehicle at night. Dynamic pricing will do wonders for flattening demand. Right now peak prices are only a little bit more than off peak. If they are five or ten fold then you will quickly see people change they behaviors.
Massive amounts of wind blows at night. Texas has so much wind at night that there are now many "free nights!" electricity plans in Texas right now.
This is a TERRIBLY ignorant report with massive nonsensical fear-mongering.
Our electric grid can’t handle a hot summer.
It's interesting to me we're focused on electric cars when the issue is the age of the wires and the unpredictability about consumer use is much more relevant to weather conditions, time of year, and time of day than rather they got a nice new car.
And if renewables are connected enough via a national grid with a storage method in place there wouldn't be nearly so much concern.
I'm glad she mentioned appliances toward the beginning. One of the main arguments against EVs are grid stability. Remember, 100s of new homes go up every day, as well as corporate buildings. How do these home run? EVs were never going to be the issue. As mentioned in other comments, the grid needed some improvement anyway as well as the use of alternative fuels.
And one of the largest consumers of electricity is gas stations. If we start reducing the number of gas stations there will be massive electricity savings as well.
@@joshsummers7933 gas stations are not power pigs.....the convenience stores people flock to are the vast majority of the power usage.
@@joshsummers7933 I support your idea of shutting down all these Buckees due to tards going to gas stations as part of amusement and culinary choices
Piggybacking on your point it’s also important to note that most EVs use less than an HVAC, and they mostly charge at night when AC use drops.
This was a great video, I’ve been considering the grid problem with electric vehicles for a few years now, I live in SoCal and the amount of electric vehicles here especially already puts strain on the grid during hot seasons when AC is needed. Owners of electric vehicles are already asked to charge at night here during heatwaves, so the strain on the grid is already evident.
California leads the nation in failing goverment. The state will power out like paradise...in fire.
Gasoline production uses a gross amount of electricity, water, and oil in every gallon.
More EVs means less energy intensive gas to produce.
Most EVs charge at night strictly due to peoples schedule to drive into work shopping during the day.
The heat waves you allude to are inherently responsible for stressing the grid, not EVs themselves. Heat waves simply trigger enormous demand for energy from the region affected. Putting the blame on EVs (especially at the current rate of penetration) is inaccurate.
@@jonahcabral2425 I suppose what I meant was *additional* strain. AC has always strained the grid during heat waves, but in recent years with the addition of EVs, the problem becomes even worse as there is a steady increase in the need for power with EVs. The regulations I’m speaking of are not imaginary, during heat waves we have more frequent rolling blackouts and people are advised to charge vehicles at night, because charging them during he day when AC is in use strains the grid, that is accurate.
@@jonahcabral2425 also you underestimate the sheer number of electric vehicles in CA. 40% of all electric vehicles sold in the *entire* country were sold in CA in 2021, which now stands at 1.5M vehicles in the state alone. Maybe if you lived here and saw just how many were on the roads here, you’d understand the clear demand for power.
The problem is not the EV boom, nor the outdated grid, nor the lack of interconnection, or any of the reasons explained in this video.
The problem is the lack of political will from both parties to agree for the next 20-30 years, no matter who is in charge/elected, they will both pass spending bills and maintain the focus on upkeep, modernization, and installation of new transmission lines/infrastructure.
Everything else mention in this video is a problem, but not THE problem as to why the US energy grid is lacking, behind, or vulnerable to many of the new modern issues.
using the California example, it would cost about $1280 per person to update the grid. People will save much more than that by electrifying everything (EVs are cheaper than gas, solar can earn you money instead of costing, efficient heat pumps are much cheaper than natural gas of fuel oil...).
I would have like to see more emphasis on battery storage for wind & solar. Home, grid, and industrial. Batteries on the grid, in homes, in factories, and at businesses of all types can greatly reduce the amount of transmission needed to begin with.
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That’s what EVs double as, energy store. The missing element is the smarts. Vehicles should remain connected as much as possible, the smarts dictating when charging occurs. Conversely, if you don’t need X percent of your battery over the next 24 hours, volunteer this back to the grid when required.
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Battery is made with metals that are extracted in far more remote places with little to none environmental safeguards. For as long as it isn’t on American’s backyard , who cares, right. ?
@@g00rb4u I don't want my car connected all the time though. I want a solar roof and a dedicated set of house batteries.
My house has solar panels that generate more energy over a year than my total consumption, including heat and transportation.
That's great. What about the majority of Americans that make less than median income? Are you better than them? How do we offset it?
I suspect that as people become aware of the problems with electric cars, they will not be so keen to take part in the experiment.
They are very expensive, due to the cost if the battery containing cobalt, lithium and nickel.
Charging is a pain, and there are loads of videos of the anxiety of drivers trying to charge enough to continue their journey.
A "battery" contains about 7000 individual calls. A fault in a single cell can spread like an explosion through the battery, the vehicle and nearby vehicles or property. One roll-on, roll-off car transport cargo ship caught fire with electric cars on board. An EV fire CANNOT be extinguished. That ship eventually sunk to the bottom of the Atlantic with £500,000 worth of luxury cars. Another ship caught fire and had to be abandoned.
The battery is VERY heavy and wears out high duty tires.
When current incentives to buy EVs disappear, insurance costs will be astronomical, including transport insurance, by ship,train (not through tunnels), or by road.
To cap it all, building the vehicle consumes fossil fuel for smelting the metals from ore, rolling and pressing. And when you have your expensive toy, much of the electricity to charge and recharge it - is based on combustion of fossil fuels.
It is not going to save the planet. The only solution I can see is what was done in WW2. Drive less, or be forced to drive less. I knew car owners who put their cars on blocks, and went to work by bus or bike. My father-in-law was one.
Meanwhile China is building more coal-fired power stations.
Maybe it could if sunny States built solar panel farms instead of hoping individuals have a spare $22K to do it themselves.
I heard that China has been at the forefront of UHVDC technology development and deployment. They made significant investments in building UHVDC transmission lines to efficiently transmit large amounts of power over long distances. The Jinping-Sunan UHVDC line is approximately 3500 kms and connects the Jinping hydropower station in Sichuan to the coastal city of Sunan in Jiangsu Province. Also the Changji-Guquan transmission line is a colossal feat that will be able to transmit 12,000MW of power, or enough to meet the needs of 26.5 million people, across China. It will transmit the same amount of power as Romania uses in a year, or half of Spain’s energy demands, over a distance greater than Barcelona to Moscow.
Europe already has some such power lines in USE. Notably between the UK and the continent.
American needs more proficient engineers to catch up China.
That is the beauty of five year plans and the State being overly commited to its goals. Everything else in China can be falling apart , but Capital Intensive infra structure projects is where China shines at.
@@serafinacosta7118 While their people starve...
@@serafinacosta7118 they dont have to deal with permits and red tape
We need to build enough capacity to enable legacy(think heavy industry like aluminum smelters and steel arc furnaces) and modern industries (like data centers and carbonless technology) to exist plus the switch to carbonless hvac and transportation . A smarter grid and surplus capacity for industries will be an economic boom for America.
I work for the power company. We expand as needed. The high output lines for cities, and states is being fought BY GOP, but they're losing that battle too. Businesses are already going that way wether anyone likes it, or not!!
The green move was putting the cart before the horse . The sad part is , if you reversed the outcome it still wouldn’t fix the problem !
That in a nut shell is where we are Folks !
It can’t even handle hot weather without causing fires, brownouts, or cascade failures. Fat chance this is going to happen in the next 30 years…..
You must be a Californian like me. This is a real issue.
@@TheSnerggly nope, Louisiana. We have the same problems, storms and hurricanes have ravaged our infrastructure. The population is so sparse a 100 acre wildfire seldom does any damage to structures so it’s forgotten quickly if it’s even reported on. This past week it’s been over 100 degrees 4 days. The local power company lost a major transformer at the substation and has caused 1500 people to sporadically loose power while they try to fix it. They put in just enough capacity to meet the needs 29 years ago, it’s not enough today, without electric cars adding to it.
Everyone thinks that California has all these issues no one else has with the power grid, in reality the entire grid (Texas included) has the same issues: lack of reinvestment and guaranteed profit for power companies. Privatization of profits and public bailouts for catastrophic losses. All it would take is for Louisiana power companies to bury some powerlines to somewhat limit catastrophic damage after a hurricane. They never do it, the ratepayers and taxpayers simply foot the bill so cheap poles go back up and stand tall just to get blown right back down the next time.
Population centers in sunny areas of the country could quite easily put solar on every suitable building or surface facing the sky. Then the energy is used right there where it's needed. Reduced energy transmission loss, reduced need for transmission infrastructure, and reduced demand on the centralized power plants for the win. It also makes the entire grid more resilient especially if those solar installations are coupled with batteries. Decentralization, not centralization, is how you solve this problem.
There should be a solar package that comes with an EV purchase. Where you buy an EV, the solar installation should be free or the overall cost should be reduced.
With this electrification and when massive problems happen, just cast blame on not enough spending.
Yes. It can!!! The real question is: Can the grid survive without ECs? EVs will mainly charge when there is surplus capacity. That will make everything much easier.
Plus 16ft2 cheap solar can give you 42 miles a week range without drawing on the grid.
whos in charge of controlling that surplus? big brother telling us when we can refuel our cars? are you nuts?
@@macmcleod1188 thats a relief, 42 miles of range a week....i hope i dont need heat or AC in my car to get 30 miles of use out of that alleged 42 miles......42 miles of range isnt real world use tho. EPA estimates are not accurate in daily use.
im sure i can get all my errands and to and from work on 42 theoretical miles a week
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 Dude... that's $250 worth of solar panels. For $1250, you are looking at 200 miles range.
And last hurricane, *no one* was driving around because power was out 100 miles all around the city except for government buildings and hospitals. It took a week for power to come back. There was no food in stores. Any extra gasoline was reserved for generators. No one except government vehicles were driving. My two friends with Teslas didn't have solar yet then.
Realistically, I'd go with solar power for lights, laptop, cable modem, chest freezer, and phone recharging but with a propane generator for the fridge and one 5000btu A/C. Back that up with 60 gallons of propane ($180 to buy- $45 to refill).
But solar is projected to be *even* smaller and even cheaper in only 2 years. My old panel was 4' x 8', generated 81 watts and cost $700.
My two new panels were 2'x8', generated 150 watts, and cost $250.
I expect in 2 years, they'll be still be 2'x8' but generate 200 watts and cost $200.
Big picture- if my current setup saves a friend or myself one $200 fridge of food, it's going to pay for itself in no time. And one friend already had a 12 hour power outage.
As one bald to another likely bald guy-- I'm just saying run the numbers every year and don't get attached to any one solution emotionally.
@baldisaerodynamic9692 There is typically a surplus of electricity midday and at night. Also, at the weekend when the industry doesn't use so much. When it is windy and sunny, there might also be a surplus. It is not more complicated than plugging in the car at night, and it starts charging when the price is lowest. It has nothing to do with Big Brother, but it has everything to do with win-win.