*Heads up:* unfortunately the Apogee Element & Ensemble series has been discontinued since this video 😢Apogee has plenty of other awesome interfaces that I've reviewed (Symphony Desktop, BOOM, Duet 3). But unfortunately at this time (October 2023) there aren't really any audio interfaces out there that take full advantage of Logic's Audio Device Controls. This is lame, and something that needs to change across the board. I *highly* recommend that each of us let audio device developers know that they should support Logic Pro users via this *open API* that Apple offers! Why the heck not?? Based on the amount of Logic screenshots I see in ads and promos (plus talking to companies that contact me), Logic users are a sizeable group. It's time developers provide direct monitoring and control solutions right from Logic Pro. Anyways - that's the scoop. I hope Apogee (or any other company) takes up the mantle of delivering direct control and monitoring.
@@WhyLogicProRules You don't deserve getting mocked for your looks at all. Nobody is - especially not you - who dares to not use CGI or at least Photoshop. BUT ;-) ... as I am German and have some half-knowledge about Dutch: doesn't your last name deviate from "Van de Fijfers"? What actually means "from the Pipers". I can easily imagine you with a nice traverse flute...
Chris, that is totally not what I expected you to look like! I think you could beat me up if you wanted to. :) On a serious note, it is great to put a face with the name. Thank you very much for all of your great videos about Logic Pro X. It has been my DAW of choice since I got into recording many years ago, but you know so much more about the inner workings, tips and tricks that I look forward to watching your videos every time they come across my feed! Thanks again!
Love your channel Chris! I've had the Element 24 for about 2 years now and it's really an amazing interface for Logic Pro X; the Direct monitoring function makes latency a non issue and puts it in another league and the built-in preamps sound great. They're clean but there's more weight and spatial quality to them than other built-in preamps I've used. And of course the converters are excellent. Like you, I didn't expect that I'd use the Apogee plugins so much, but I've been pretty blown away by them. The ModEQ and ModComp are absolute workhorses, up there with FabFilter quality, and the Opto-3A and Pultec EQs are great color options. I've heard some great recordings made with the UAD interfaces but am also not a fan of their proprietary model, however I do respect them as company. But there are plenty of great plugins to be had nowadays and for Logic/Mac Apogee Element is absolutely seamless. Keep up the great work!
I had the exact same issues with UA that you did. I didn't like the UA hardware-dependent aspect of their plugins, and I didn't like the fact that I had to bounce back and forth between the UA interface and the Logic interface while working on my projects. I certainly didn't want to go through a whole new learning process to get UA up and running. I've been using an old Apogee Duet for years, and I love everything about it.
I recently went to the UAD Apollo and it was the best decision I’ve made in years. I’m also stoked to dive into UAD Luna. You made some good points though. Great channel!
I have the UAD Arrow as I just upgraded my computer and wanted a thunderbolt 3 interface. I came from using Apogee ONE which is great and great with Logic so my initial thought was to stay with Apogee and go with the Element 24. Sadly, they have been discontinued so taking my good friend’s recommendation I dove into the UAD world with the Arrow (now labeled as Apollo Solo). I initially wanted the Apollo Twin X DUO but it was too cost prohibitive. I can always upgrade to that later but I absolutely love my Arrow so far. I’m still learning it though and I’m glad to have Luna on board.
I've only ever had an Apogee One. I love it so much. It's what every beginner needs. Really great AD/DA converters, 2 inputs, and full logic integration. The built in mic is just the cherry on top. Plus if you've got a laptop, it's great for getting takes elsewhere besides the studio.
This helped me a lot man! I could not find a single review comparing the newest Apollo Twin x and the Apogee element, and you did a great job. Thanks a bunch!
This is an excellent episode! Without a doubt Apogee’s integration with Logic is ‘bar none’. I originally wanted an Ensemble, but ended up investing into UAs Apollo Twin Duo.. spoke with engineers from both throughout the years at NAMM, and now I’m stoked to revisit Apogee and mix ecosystems upon the release of LUNA, and the launch of Symphony Desktop... I honestly cannot afford to integrate an x6, let alone an x8.. so I figured pairing an Element 46 with the Symphony Desktop should be the best ‘bang for the buck’ solution for my setup. Apogee is truly the hardware interface of choice with Logic.
On my Mac Pro, I'm using an RME Fireface 400 - drivers are rock solid and mature, legendary reliability, German made On my Macbook Pro, I'm using an Edirol (Roland) FA-101 Firewire interface. NO drivers needed, Mac OS sees it as a Core Audio device, rock solid! Red anodized aluminum, made in Japan, 10 ins/outs I can run both at any buffer, even 32, with 0 issues, perfect timing, as I sync to picture. Both machines running OS Sierra
@@xoxo-pp7ru umm, really depends on what you mean by "better." If you're referring to the Scarlet mic preamps, maybe they have more character than RME, which are known for just being really flat and neutral, nothing special about them. But since I don't use the mic preamps (I have a separate BAE lunchbox with Neve mic pre and compressor) I only use the RME strictly for getting audio and MIDI in and out of the computer. Also, I don't know how complicated your routing is, but have you ever used RME Totalmix? It is probably the most confusing yet powerful mixer software for RME interfaces. This alone is a reason to use RME interfaces, especially if you score for picture. Just my 2 cents
Really like your points. I’m a huge UAD user, but we got to face it, there are so many great company’s making great stuff out there. I’m a Logic Pro user, and I miss the integration between hardware and software. Tks for the video.
Nice to see the face behind the voice. This guy is great! His videos are always short and sweet. . .very informative, very organized. great presentations with clarity of thought
As a UAD user I have, like you, had issues with the Console dual windows. UAD is a great system and now with the new Luna coming on board (looks like a new DAW) we will have to wait and see how it performs and integrates. This is the first I have heard of the Apogee integration and it does seem worth while to investigate further. Thanks for all your videos the the help they give. :)
I'm new at Logic Pro and sound design, bought a Focusrite Scarlett a few months back. I'm very happy with the ease of use of the Scarlett and qualitywise it's good enough for my amateur recordings. The fact they weren't sold for +800€ was a big selling point for me as a beginner. Maybe when i've got more knowledge about sound design I'll look into a more expensive audio interface and will definitely take a look at the Apogee products.
i sincerely appreciate all of the time you've put in and the dedication to find these answers for us just starting. a lot is food for thought but its still a huge help when moving forward, thanks so much brother.
Awesome video. A lot of us logic users were expecting something about the Audient id44 but we completely understand the amount of time and cost you would have to go through. We appreciate that video. Thanks
I'm using an old Apogee FW Duet running Mojave on my late 2013 iMac and it sounds terrific! FW Duets are $100 or less used and it still works great. I use mine for music and voiceovers every weekday and it never disappoints.
You look very different than I imagined! Thanks for all the helpful videos - you've been a giant help for me over the past year. As a side note - I use an apollo twin X with Logic and it's simply awesome. I should note that I'm a bedroom guitar player so all I need is one input as I know that's a consideration for many. Cheers!
It definitely makes sense to use an integrated interface with logic. Sometimes its easy to forget, via logic, your controlling the apogee interface as its so deeply integrated and you think its a logic feature. This is a great discussion video. Really well structured and no sensationalism. Its like a blues riff. Soulful and harmonious.... Cool.
Hi Chris, nice to finally put a face to the channel! This video would have to be perfect timing for me. I'm due for an upgrade as I've been using the Mbox Pro 3 interface. It's been awesome but has recently been dropped from Avid for any future update support. I've been wanting to update my OS to Catalina but haven't because other users have reported they're Mbox Pro 3 units no longer work. I'm definitely looking into this Apogee Element 24. Thank you very very much!!!
This video convinced me to get the element 46 last year and just stopping by to day after about 8 months, I LOVE this thing. And I use Pro Tools to record
I thought you look familiar and I noticed the Glen Edith mug! I studied Audio and Music Engineering at the University of Rochester from 2014-2018 and I would go to Glen Edith at least once every week!
I had an Apogee Duet FW. I don't remember which Logic or OS update broke it, but it was pretty much unuseable after a certain point. All integration with Logic 9 was broken, and it kept mangling core audio, even listening to music on iTunes. I moved on to a RME Fireface 802, and couldn't be happier.
Loved finally learning what the hell those things are at the top of the mixer haha! Just curious why you decided to test the Scarlett instead of one of the higher end Focusrite Clarett 2/4pre interfaces? I would think it would have been closer to the AD/DA class of the UA and Apogee. Thanks for your videos I have learned so much from them.
I'm in love with my Apogee Duet first gen. The only missing feature I'm wanting in it is the Audio Device Controls for Logic. I can see them, but they're greyed out :(
Thanks Chris for your awesome channel. Love Bruce...also love my UAD's - but you are right, the Console is not always greasiest of things to get to grips with.
The new Apogees are a massive step up in quality to their previous interfaces, so depending on what version your Quartet was it might not apply to this interface. I had the first Duet and then tried the Ensemble and didn't get along with either - too bright and kind of sandpapery. These ones are smooth as butter
Chris I appreciate the hard work here I was looking for a way out of pro tools you helped me make my decision my element will arrive Thursday I’m downloading Logic Pro x almost went Apollo but I already have an apogee product it was great Good info thanks
I have the Twin. I don't like the business model either, so I don't really use their plugins (they are also too expensive IMO). However, I did create a console snapshot that I don't need to interact with at all when using Logic. So, it is entirely possible to literally ignore their console once you have your input channels configured for your needs. Great video!
TheBissco it’s actually like apple’s model. You can’t run logic without a Mac either. But yeah, the plugins are way to expensive, you can get around with the ones that come with logic, or even the free ones included on UA interfaces.
Nacho Rondán There are similarities is that regard, but it’s far more economical, to me at least, to have logic and a Mac as opposed to buying every upgrade rollout for your DAW. Plus, it’s a matter of personal preference, I like the format of a Mac better for music applications, but that’s just me.
I've owned an Apollo Twin Duo since I started "producing" from home and it's just fine... I love your video and enthusiasm; I seriously want to grab an Apogee Element 24 but it looks like they don't make them anymore? Everything on Musicians Friend, Sweetwater and Reverb is [used] status? Hmmm 🤔
I have a Focusrite Clarett 4pre (Thunderbolt) and admittedly a not to old Mac (iMac 27" 2017). I had some latency issues with one version of Logic Pro X (or if it was Mac OS) but now I only rarely turn on low latency in Logic. And since I often record myself, I think I prefer physical pots for the preamps. Having said that I have not tried using an interface controlled from Logic. Humbly, Ylan
I have a Rosetta. I want to say they color the sound in a musical way but I think the better way of saying it is they actually capture the frequencies in a musical way. I’ve tried a few DAW’s and Logic is definitely next to Protools. By far the best bang for buck is Logic. Hey we mostly all buy Mac’s for music production and they get it. Thanks for all your videos. I WILL SAY THOUGH!!! The best thing in recording is a great song. You can have a mono cassette tape recorder with an awesome song and it will still shine. Thanks man and keep it up.
I went from an Echo Audiofire8 to a MOTU 828 to an Apollo x16. I hear you on the console being an extraneous thing, but honestly the plugins are so good--either no latency when tracking or used when mixing. And so long as the device doesn't break, I think Thunderbolt will be something that will be used for a good long while, or at least supported through dongles. And, for the price of two or three pieces of actual kick-ass analog hardware, you get an interface plus as many very well modeled instances of kick-ass analog hardware as you can run.
The minute I saw the inputs in the FRONT! I instantly was interested in the Apogee Elements. Why don’t all audio interfaces have the inputs on the front?
I’m a FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 user on one system, but in need of something for a 2015 MBP w/out Thunderbolt, so USB interfaces. UA Apollo looks nice, Luna seems interesting, but also considering RME Babyface, or Apogee Duet about $300 uses, though concerned it’s now 7 years old. I missed their NAMM coverage, am glad I found this to aid in my research. Thanks Chris.
s2seltaeb awesome 👏 please do let me know your usage and opinions. In the meantime I’m trying to hold out for the Apogee Symphony Desktop but not sure I want to spend $1200 on an interface.
* WOLVERINE * will do! I was looking into the Apollo, myself, but I eventually realIzed I didn’t want to have any menu diving or anything like that. The Focusrite stuff is so easy to use that I felt the Clarett would be the perfect upgrade for me... and frees up my time to learn more about using Logic rather than learning about the menus of the Apollo in that time 😃
Great video, Chris! I appreciate the insight and I'm thinking of going with an Apogee Element 24. HOWEVER, I noticed it doesn't have a MIDI input, and I use a lot of MIDI keyboard + native instruments plugins in my recordings. Do you have any solutions for how to incorporate MIDI with Apogee, without overcomplicating the process?
So funny, that the very first interface you mentioned is the very first interface I bought when building my bedroom studio after I decided to go with Logic Pro X.
I am still using my 20 year old Apogee Trak2 on a 7/11 basis. Could not live without SoftLimit and SoftSaturation. It is an excellent Master Clock as well - if this still has a meaning in your setup.
Thank you so much for the video. I've used Focusrite Clarette 8Pre that is no longer supported by Focusrite, "sad"! But I have an Apogee Element 88 on the way. I'm looking forward to this channel's content.
Any updates on this review? I’m on the market for an interface for older Monterey Mac. I’ve been reading about apogee legacy problems with running control app. Any advice?
I agree on the business model, and unless you are a pro studio it’s just not attainable for a lot of people. Money no object, an Apollo 8x would be great. But my Focusrite Clarett sounds amazing and between Logic and waves plugins, I would put it up against the UA. If you believe the UA sales job, you would think unless you use UA you simply will never great music. That’s the vibe I get from them. Could be my imagination.
My setup: Motu A16 to a MixDream summing mixer, then a M4 for monitoring. Cero issues. Awesome Converters. I totally agreed about UA. I also have Octo Satellite, it is a waste of money.
Really interesting - my Mac us now getting long in tooth; will you be looking at Mac’s. I’m thinking of the 16” version I want it for orchestral Templates - so need lots of RAM
I own and use Antelope Audio interfaces, and I like the great routing system and built in plugin processing, but I don't use the built in plugins for the same reason: I dont want to be bound to the interface for mixing. I do love the conversion and preamps of the interface, and it works well with my Mac. It seems like there is quite a mixed bag on reviews on Antelope Audio interfaces between different computing platforms, but I don't have any issues with mine.
Hi there I love your videos and am always excited when you come up with new Logic info. I was wondering if the Avid rack 11 I see in the back compatible with Logic? I sold all my pedals because I just want to put guitars directly into logic but not sure how to intergrate with Clarett 4 pres?
Chris, your review of Apogee was very helpful. I am using an Audient iD4 (USB) but was looking for a thunderbolt 3 Audio interface since I switched from PC (FL STudio) to Mac and Logix Pro X. I think the $599 price point is out of my budget since I am just producing for fun. Any thoughts on the iD4?
Same as me. I have so many very good plugins, so why buy further plugins with a UA Interface, I thought. Nevertheless finally I purchased an Antelope Zen Q with 37 plugins, because the reviews are very good, moreover there was a free Edge Solo mic included.
Ah man! Now you've got me thinking about the Apogee but I'm penniless! haha! I'm using the Audient ID 14 at the moment, great sounding as well. It has the same issue, of a stand-alone mixer before Logic. That Apogee right inside Logic is something I've always wanted... From absolutely drenched Ireland! ☘️💪🏽👀👍🏽☘️
I have literally been trying to decide between the element and x4 the past two weeks - leaning toward element for the same reason. great video! Thoughts on audient id44 though?
Tom M I was hoping the Audient would be included too. I have an ID44 which I bought late last year - I love it! Picked it over the UA. Same reasons as Chris mentioned - I have a tonne of plugins that I purchased over the years and they work great. In fact I only use a handful day to day (the reality of most studios I think 😊). The clarity of the audient both recording and playback is fantastic. Really detailed and punchy. It’s helping me mix a lot better then with the Focusrite interfaces I was using. I listened to a couple of comparisons between the UA and the Audient and the Audient sounded a little warmer and rounder to my ears. UA is very punchy, a little brighter sounding I thought. The other reason was I have a couple of students who have UA twins and they are constantly running out of DSP very very quickly, so I figured that would happen at some stage unless I opted for the Quad which was twice the price, plus a satellite, plus plugins. Anyways, Audient rocks imo 🤟
Between those 2, stick with Apogee. The x4 doesn’t host the HEXA core processor, so that’s a backwards investment. You’re in luck if you consider the new Symphony Desktop.
I love my id44! The only thing I wish it had was a couple extra line inputs for connecting an stereo preamp for example (like an RMP8380 or similar). Plenty of larger preamp boxes have optical out but the smaller ones don’t and sometimes that extra one or two pres would be really handy. It’s a really great sounding interface though!
Bummed that this Element 24 interface is no longer available (nor the Element 46). They only offer the Element 88 now. Priced accordingly. ($1495.00) lol
Hi Chris, Thanks for this helpful guide of the interfaces you had on your 'short list'. I have been using an Apogee Ensemble Firewire for many years, but sadly it won't work with my newest 2018 MacBook Pro (and the latest OS), so I need to choose a new interface for this computer. I noticed that the Element has an older Thunderbolt socket than the newer MacBook Pro USB 3 socket. I'm undecided whether I should wait for Apogee to bring their connections up to date, to match my computer.........I've already had to retire my Ensemble Firewire because of the connectivity issue...... What's your take on this connection difference?
Im really interested in the Apollo duo 3 with Logic I got a new M1 MacBook air, and the form factor and portability is now as important as audio quality. Have you gotten your hands on one of those to test?
Hey Chris, thanks for all the great vids! I upgraded from my duet to the Element 24 last week to go with my new 2020 MBP. I got nothing but constant crackling audio. It worked on my 2012 MBP so I got ANOTHER 2020 MBP today and same thing!! So bummed cuz it’s seems like a great interface. Anyone else had an issue like this?
Focusrite isn't for Logic Pro. I don't know how I can get it to work... I had an Apogee and it was 'plug and play' when I set it as the audio device in Logic. But Focusrite doesn't give me any sound at all. It came with an old USB output, but I had change it to an USB C, 'cause my MacBook only has USB C port - is that an issue? I'm so confused and a bit angry that it doesn't work when I have put it to the chosen audio interface in Logic... Can you make a video for dummies on how to connect the 3gen Scarlett to Logic Pro? Plz help out.
That was very interesting and I don’t even use Logic Pro! I’m a Pro Tools user but your comments re UAD still ring true to me. I actually really like the console now but you are correct saying it can be a bit overwhelming at first. Best of luck!
Thanks very much. I was just trying to decide between the Quantum and the Elements, as an upgrade from my budget usb interface. Have you noticed any difference in latency between these thunderbolt 3 interfaces, when working in logic?
Thank you for the video. I am just wondering why the aspect of the number of input channels does not seem to be relevant. Or do you use a separate entity for that? I have a Behringer Xenyx UFX1204 (4 S + 4 M). I chose that partly for the number of inputs.
Finally get to see his GORGEOUS face!! 😍 I hate that Apple doesn’t create their own hardware. I’d take an M1 chip-powered audio interface and Keyboard made for Logic without question. Imagine a Drum Machine Designer controller!! I don’t even wanna think about these I get anxious!!
I've been trying to record my grand piano with Audient iD14 MK2 and Earthworks PM40. I record it to Logic Pro and listen to it. I'm not loving the sound quality. It comes out very dry and not natural. If I set the gain level higher, I get the clipping issue. If the gain level is lower, it sounds flat and dry. What can I do? How can I get cleaner and more natural sound?
I make electronic music in Logic using mostly software. Looking for a new interface with good headphone output. Been looking at Audient and Twin X but after this video I’ll have to ask if maybe Apogee duet could be a good choice?
*Heads up:* unfortunately the Apogee Element & Ensemble series has been discontinued since this video 😢Apogee has plenty of other awesome interfaces that I've reviewed (Symphony Desktop, BOOM, Duet 3). But unfortunately at this time (October 2023) there aren't really any audio interfaces out there that take full advantage of Logic's Audio Device Controls.
This is lame, and something that needs to change across the board. I *highly* recommend that each of us let audio device developers know that they should support Logic Pro users via this *open API* that Apple offers! Why the heck not?? Based on the amount of Logic screenshots I see in ads and promos (plus talking to companies that contact me), Logic users are a sizeable group. It's time developers provide direct monitoring and control solutions right from Logic Pro.
Anyways - that's the scoop. I hope Apogee (or any other company) takes up the mantle of delivering direct control and monitoring.
This guy looking like a bare knuckle boxer from the 1800s.
Hands down best comment ever. Thank you for making day.
@@WhyLogicProRules and thank you for literally everything!
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@@WhyLogicProRules You don't deserve getting mocked for your looks at all. Nobody is - especially not you - who dares to not use CGI or at least Photoshop.
BUT ;-) ... as I am German and have some half-knowledge about Dutch: doesn't your last name deviate from "Van de Fijfers"? What actually means "from the Pipers". I can easily imagine you with a nice traverse flute...
Chris, that is totally not what I expected you to look like! I think you could beat me up if you wanted to. :)
On a serious note, it is great to put a face with the name. Thank you very much for all of your great videos about Logic Pro X. It has been my DAW of choice since I got into recording many years ago, but you know so much more about the inner workings, tips and tricks that I look forward to watching your videos every time they come across my feed!
Thanks again!
Love your channel Chris! I've had the Element 24 for about 2 years now and it's really an amazing interface for Logic Pro X; the Direct monitoring function makes latency a non issue and puts it in another league and the built-in preamps sound great. They're clean but there's more weight and spatial quality to them than other built-in preamps I've used. And of course the converters are excellent.
Like you, I didn't expect that I'd use the Apogee plugins so much, but I've been pretty blown away by them. The ModEQ and ModComp are absolute workhorses, up there with FabFilter quality, and the Opto-3A and Pultec EQs are great color options.
I've heard some great recordings made with the UAD interfaces but am also not a fan of their proprietary model, however I do respect them as company. But there are plenty of great plugins to be had nowadays and for Logic/Mac Apogee Element is absolutely seamless.
Keep up the great work!
What OS and version of logic are you running to have a functional element and the control software?
man I appreciate you so much! You literally represent the interests and needs of the generation born in the digital era
I had the exact same issues with UA that you did. I didn't like the UA hardware-dependent aspect of their plugins, and I didn't like the fact that I had to bounce back and forth between the UA interface and the Logic interface while working on my projects. I certainly didn't want to go through a whole new learning process to get UA up and running. I've been using an old Apogee Duet for years, and I love everything about it.
I recently went to the UAD Apollo and it was the best decision I’ve made in years. I’m also stoked to dive into UAD Luna. You made some good points though. Great channel!
I have the UAD Arrow as I just upgraded my computer and wanted a thunderbolt 3 interface. I came from using Apogee ONE which is great and great with Logic so my initial thought was to stay with Apogee and go with the Element 24. Sadly, they have been discontinued so taking my good friend’s recommendation I dove into the UAD world with the Arrow (now labeled as Apollo Solo). I initially wanted the Apollo Twin X DUO but it was too cost prohibitive. I can always upgrade to that later but I absolutely love my Arrow so far. I’m still learning it though and I’m glad to have Luna on board.
I've only ever had an Apogee One. I love it so much. It's what every beginner needs. Really great AD/DA converters, 2 inputs, and full logic integration. The built in mic is just the cherry on top. Plus if you've got a laptop, it's great for getting takes elsewhere besides the studio.
This helped me a lot man! I could not find a single review comparing the newest Apollo Twin x and the Apogee element, and you did a great job. Thanks a bunch!
Did you buy the Element?
This is an excellent episode! Without a doubt Apogee’s integration with Logic is ‘bar none’.
I originally wanted an Ensemble, but ended up investing into UAs Apollo Twin Duo.. spoke with engineers from both throughout the years at NAMM, and now I’m stoked to revisit Apogee and mix ecosystems upon the release of LUNA, and the launch of Symphony Desktop... I honestly cannot afford to integrate an x6, let alone an x8.. so I figured pairing an Element 46 with the Symphony Desktop should be the best ‘bang for the buck’ solution for my setup.
Apogee is truly the hardware interface of choice with Logic.
On my Mac Pro, I'm using an RME Fireface 400 - drivers are rock solid and mature, legendary reliability, German made
On my Macbook Pro, I'm using an Edirol (Roland) FA-101 Firewire interface. NO drivers needed, Mac OS sees it as a Core Audio device, rock solid! Red anodized aluminum, made in Japan, 10 ins/outs
I can run both at any buffer, even 32, with 0 issues, perfect timing, as I sync to picture. Both machines running OS Sierra
John Argosino Great interfaces.
Isn't a focus rite Scarlet better than that old rne fireface 400 👀🤔
@@xoxo-pp7ru umm, really depends on what you mean by "better." If you're referring to the Scarlet mic preamps, maybe they have more character than RME, which are known for just being really flat and neutral, nothing special about them. But since I don't use the mic preamps (I have a separate BAE lunchbox with Neve mic pre and compressor) I only use the RME strictly for getting audio and MIDI in and out of the computer.
Also, I don't know how complicated your routing is, but have you ever used RME Totalmix? It is probably the most confusing yet powerful mixer software for RME interfaces. This alone is a reason to use RME interfaces, especially if you score for picture. Just my 2 cents
Really like your points. I’m a huge UAD user, but we got to face it, there are so many great company’s making great stuff out there. I’m a Logic Pro user, and I miss the integration between hardware and software. Tks for the video.
Shout out to Metric Halo, a company that doesn't spend on advertising but on the user! (I love your videos dude!
I have the same issues as you.Selling the UAD.Thanks for the accurate and well thought out video.
Nice to see the face behind the voice. This guy is great! His videos are always short and sweet. . .very informative, very organized. great presentations with clarity of thought
As a UAD user I have, like you, had issues with the Console dual windows. UAD is a great system and now with the new Luna coming on board (looks like a new DAW) we will have to wait and see how it performs and integrates.
This is the first I have heard of the Apogee integration and it does seem worth while to investigate further. Thanks for all your videos the the help they give. :)
I have the Uad Apollo 8 blackface and the Apollo x16. The x16 converters are phenomenal.
I'm new at Logic Pro and sound design, bought a Focusrite Scarlett a few months back. I'm very happy with the ease of use of the Scarlett and qualitywise it's good enough for my amateur recordings. The fact they weren't sold for +800€ was a big selling point for me as a beginner. Maybe when i've got more knowledge about sound design I'll look into a more expensive audio interface and will definitely take a look at the Apogee products.
i sincerely appreciate all of the time you've put in and the dedication to find these answers for us just starting. a lot is food for thought but its still a huge help when moving forward, thanks so much brother.
Awesome video. A lot of us logic users were expecting something about the Audient id44 but we completely understand the amount of time and cost you would have to go through. We appreciate that video. Thanks
gotta second the Apogee stuff... had the old Ensemble; loved it... on a Symphony (old generation) these days; love it even more...
Finally get a glimpse of "The Voice" Thank you for sharing your time and expertise with us. Much appreciated.
I'm using an old Apogee FW Duet running Mojave on my late 2013 iMac and it sounds terrific! FW Duets are $100 or less used and it still works great. I use mine for music and voiceovers every weekday and it never disappoints.
My setup : Appollo, NI S88 midi and PreSonus Faderport 16 .
You look very different than I imagined! Thanks for all the helpful videos - you've been a giant help for me over the past year. As a side note - I use an apollo twin X with Logic and it's simply awesome. I should note that I'm a bedroom guitar player so all I need is one input as I know that's a consideration for many. Cheers!
It definitely makes sense to use an integrated interface with logic. Sometimes its easy to forget, via logic, your controlling the apogee interface as its so deeply integrated and you think its a logic feature. This is a great discussion video. Really well structured and no sensationalism. Its like a blues riff. Soulful and harmonious.... Cool.
Thanks, have you checked out the Apogee Symphony Desktop yet. If so wart do you think if it?
Hi Chris, nice to finally put a face to the channel! This video would have to be perfect timing for me. I'm due for an upgrade as I've been using the Mbox Pro 3 interface. It's been awesome but has recently been dropped from Avid for any future update support. I've been wanting to update my OS to Catalina but haven't because other users have reported they're Mbox Pro 3 units no longer work. I'm definitely looking into this Apogee Element 24. Thank you very very much!!!
It's indeed a timely video. I will hold off a bit with the update. Thank you very much, Sir.
I prefer Apogee interfaces and own : Symphony I/O with PCIe - 64 card, Element 24 & Duet 2. Love the sound quality and customer support.
What are you using as a mixer for the Apogee units? I have an Element 88 and NOT using a console…wondering if I should consider.
Great to meet you Chris, Long time listener Thanks so much
This video convinced me to get the element 46 last year and just stopping by to day after about 8 months, I LOVE this thing. And I use Pro Tools to record
I thought you look familiar and I noticed the Glen Edith mug! I studied Audio and Music Engineering at the University of Rochester from 2014-2018 and I would go to Glen Edith at least once every week!
Heck yeah Kurt! Nice to meet you and bump into on here :) Thanks for watching!
Glad to see Focusrite Scarlett series in the mix. I have the Scarlett 18i20 in my studio and I really like it. Thanks for your great channel on Logic.
Was confused between frooty loops and Logic. But, I'm buying Logic Pro because of you. Thank you so much.
Nice to see you man. Great channel. Thank you.
I had an Apogee Duet FW. I don't remember which Logic or OS update broke it, but it was pretty much unuseable after a certain point. All integration with Logic 9 was broken, and it kept mangling core audio, even listening to music on iTunes. I moved on to a RME Fireface 802, and couldn't be happier.
Loved finally learning what the hell those things are at the top of the mixer haha! Just curious why you decided to test the Scarlett instead of one of the higher end Focusrite Clarett 2/4pre interfaces? I would think it would have been closer to the AD/DA class of the UA and Apogee. Thanks for your videos I have learned so much from them.
I'm in love with my Apogee Duet first gen.
The only missing feature I'm wanting in it is the Audio Device Controls for Logic.
I can see them, but they're greyed out :(
Uad user here apollo x16 and love it..have a brand presonus studiolive 32s that I've only used 3 times...I use my x16 everyday
Thanks Chris for your awesome channel. Love Bruce...also love my UAD's - but you are right, the Console is not always greasiest of things to get to grips with.
Thank you very much for such wonderful tutorials that is helping me learn logic!!!
Wow this interface is sick. And just when I wanted to get an Apollo hehe
Intresting. i went from Apogee quartet to the Apollo twin X and i feel it sounds much better. More seperation in the sound
Put a Prism Sound converter on your mix and you’ll throw the Quarter and the Apollo in the trash.
The new Apogees are a massive step up in quality to their previous interfaces, so depending on what version your Quartet was it might not apply to this interface. I had the first Duet and then tried the Ensemble and didn't get along with either - too bright and kind of sandpapery. These ones are smooth as butter
‘More separation of the sound’? What does that mean? You panned your tracks left and right?
@@GregoryGuay easier to hear background vocal layers and more hidden sounds in the mix
Chris I appreciate the hard work here I was looking for a way out of pro tools you helped me make my decision my element will arrive Thursday I’m downloading Logic Pro x almost went Apollo but I already have an apogee product it was great Good info thanks
I have the Twin. I don't like the business model either, so I don't really use their plugins (they are also too expensive IMO). However, I did create a console snapshot that I don't need to interact with at all when using Logic. So, it is entirely possible to literally ignore their console once you have your input channels configured for your needs. Great video!
TheBissco it’s actually like apple’s model. You can’t run logic without a Mac either. But yeah, the plugins are way to expensive, you can get around with the ones that come with logic, or even the free ones included on UA interfaces.
Nacho Rondán There are similarities is that regard, but it’s far more economical, to me at least, to have logic and a Mac as opposed to buying every upgrade rollout for your DAW. Plus, it’s a matter of personal preference, I like the format of a Mac better for music applications, but that’s just me.
I totally agree with your opinion of the UA business model. Love the honestly
What’s up bro. Your channel is legit good work
I've owned an Apollo Twin Duo since I started "producing" from home and it's just fine... I love your video and enthusiasm; I seriously want to grab an Apogee Element 24 but it looks like they don't make them anymore? Everything on Musicians Friend, Sweetwater and Reverb is [used] status? Hmmm 🤔
I have a Focusrite Clarett 4pre (Thunderbolt) and admittedly a not to old Mac (iMac 27" 2017). I had some latency issues with one version of Logic Pro X (or if it was Mac OS) but now I only rarely turn on low latency in Logic. And since I often record myself, I think I prefer physical pots for the preamps. Having said that I have not tried using an interface controlled from Logic.
Humbly, Ylan
Ylan Sthlm - using a clarett as well, 8PreX, love these Thunderbolt interfaces
I have a Rosetta. I want to say they color the sound in a musical way but I think the better way of saying it is they actually capture the frequencies in a musical way. I’ve tried a few DAW’s and Logic is definitely next to Protools. By far the best bang for buck is Logic. Hey we mostly all buy Mac’s for music production and they get it. Thanks for all your videos. I WILL SAY THOUGH!!! The best thing in recording is a great song. You can have a mono cassette tape recorder with an awesome song and it will still shine. Thanks man and keep it up.
I went from an Echo Audiofire8 to a MOTU 828 to an Apollo x16. I hear you on the console being an extraneous thing, but honestly the plugins are so good--either no latency when tracking or used when mixing. And so long as the device doesn't break, I think Thunderbolt will be something that will be used for a good long while, or at least supported through dongles. And, for the price of two or three pieces of actual kick-ass analog hardware, you get an interface plus as many very well modeled instances of kick-ass analog hardware as you can run.
The minute I saw the inputs in the FRONT! I instantly was interested in the Apogee Elements. Why don’t all audio interfaces have the inputs on the front?
I’m a FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 user on one system, but in need of something for a 2015 MBP w/out Thunderbolt, so USB interfaces. UA Apollo looks nice, Luna seems interesting, but also considering RME Babyface, or Apogee Duet about $300 uses, though concerned it’s now 7 years old. I missed their NAMM coverage, am glad I found this to aid in my research. Thanks Chris.
* WOLVERINE * the Clarett range is now USB. I’m upgrading from a Scarlett 2i2 to Clarett 2Pre this week. 👍🏼
s2seltaeb awesome 👏 please do let me know your usage and opinions. In the meantime I’m trying to hold out for the Apogee Symphony Desktop but not sure I want to spend $1200 on an interface.
* WOLVERINE * will do! I was looking into the Apollo, myself, but I eventually realIzed I didn’t want to have any menu diving or anything like that. The Focusrite stuff is so easy to use that I felt the Clarett would be the perfect upgrade for me... and frees up my time to learn more about using Logic rather than learning about the menus of the Apollo in that time 😃
This was a great review. Thank you!
Great video, Chris! I appreciate the insight and I'm thinking of going with an Apogee Element 24. HOWEVER, I noticed it doesn't have a MIDI input, and I use a lot of MIDI keyboard + native instruments plugins in my recordings. Do you have any solutions for how to incorporate MIDI with Apogee, without overcomplicating the process?
Ahhh the face of the voice. You are legit professional. Thank you.
So funny, that the very first interface you mentioned is the very first interface I bought when building my bedroom studio after I decided to go with Logic Pro X.
Thank you for the video, I’ll be waiting for the midi controllers video
Wonderful Chris. Good to see you
Thanks for another great vid. Love my Element too!
Hey Chris, thank you 1000 times for the channel! Since you mentioned it, what is the best MIDI keyboard for working with Logic?
I am still using my 20 year old Apogee Trak2 on a 7/11 basis. Could not live without SoftLimit and SoftSaturation. It is an excellent Master Clock as well - if this still has a meaning in your setup.
Thank you so much for the video. I've used Focusrite Clarette 8Pre that is no longer supported by Focusrite, "sad"! But I have an Apogee Element 88 on the way. I'm looking forward to this channel's content.
Try the SSL 2 Plus $279 at Sweetwater! It’s amazing, simple to use, affordable and hands down the sweetest box you can get for the money!!
Chris, there is a new Apogee Symphony Desktop 2020, is the function and plugin better than element 24?
Any updates on this review? I’m on the market for an interface for older Monterey Mac. I’ve been reading about apogee legacy problems with running control app. Any advice?
I agree on the business model, and unless you are a pro studio it’s just not attainable for a lot of people. Money no object, an Apollo 8x would be great. But my Focusrite Clarett sounds amazing and between Logic and waves plugins, I would put it up against the UA. If you believe the UA sales job, you would think unless you use UA you simply will never great music. That’s the vibe I get from them. Could be my imagination.
My setup: Motu A16 to a MixDream summing mixer, then a M4 for monitoring. Cero issues. Awesome Converters. I totally agreed about UA. I also have Octo Satellite, it is a waste of money.
Really interesting - my Mac us now getting long in tooth; will you be looking at Mac’s. I’m thinking of the 16” version
I want it for orchestral Templates - so need lots of RAM
The red skull in the back is rad af great tips bro
I own and use Antelope Audio interfaces, and I like the great routing system and built in plugin processing, but I don't use the built in plugins for the same reason: I dont want to be bound to the interface for mixing.
I do love the conversion and preamps of the interface, and it works well with my Mac. It seems like there is quite a mixed bag on reviews on Antelope Audio interfaces between different computing platforms, but I don't have any issues with mine.
Hi there I love your videos and am always excited when you come up with new Logic info. I was wondering if the Avid rack 11 I see in the back compatible with Logic? I sold all my pedals because I just want to put guitars directly into logic but not sure how to intergrate with Clarett 4 pres?
Chris, your review of Apogee was very helpful. I am using an Audient iD4 (USB) but was looking for a thunderbolt 3 Audio interface since I switched from PC (FL STudio) to Mac and Logix Pro X. I think the $599 price point is out of my budget since I am just producing for fun. Any thoughts on the iD4?
Same as me. I have so many very good plugins, so why buy further plugins with a UA Interface, I thought. Nevertheless finally I purchased an Antelope Zen Q with 37 plugins, because the reviews are very good, moreover there was a free Edge Solo mic included.
Ah man! Now you've got me thinking about the Apogee but I'm penniless! haha! I'm using the Audient ID 14 at the moment, great sounding as well. It has the same issue, of a stand-alone mixer before Logic. That Apogee right inside Logic is something I've always wanted...
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Keep using the Audient! I have an ASP880 and the preamps are great. No need to fix what ain't broke
@@ajmaietta Thanks Tony, true words man!
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I have literally been trying to decide between the element and x4 the past two weeks - leaning toward element for the same reason. great video! Thoughts on audient id44 though?
Tom M I was hoping the Audient would be included too. I have an ID44 which I bought late last year - I love it! Picked it over the UA. Same reasons as Chris mentioned - I have a tonne of plugins that I purchased over the years and they work great. In fact I only use a handful day to day (the reality of most studios I think 😊). The clarity of the audient both recording and playback is fantastic. Really detailed and punchy. It’s helping me mix a lot better then with the Focusrite interfaces I was using. I listened to a couple of comparisons between the UA and the Audient and the Audient sounded a little warmer and rounder to my ears. UA is very punchy, a little brighter sounding I thought. The other reason was I have a couple of students who have UA twins and they are constantly running out of DSP very very quickly, so I figured that would happen at some stage unless I opted for the Quad which was twice the price, plus a satellite, plus plugins. Anyways, Audient rocks imo 🤟
Between those 2, stick with Apogee. The x4 doesn’t host the HEXA core processor, so that’s a backwards investment.
You’re in luck if you consider the new Symphony Desktop.
I love my id44! The only thing I wish it had was a couple extra line inputs for connecting an stereo preamp for example (like an RMP8380 or similar). Plenty of larger preamp boxes have optical out but the smaller ones don’t and sometimes that extra one or two pres would be really handy. It’s a really great sounding interface though!
From a quality sounding standpoint, Focusrite Clarett range is really good ! There is a huge gap from the Scarlett range ! Thanks, man !
Bummed that this Element 24 interface is no longer available (nor the Element 46). They only offer the Element 88 now. Priced accordingly. ($1495.00) lol
Hi Chris, Thanks for this helpful guide of the interfaces you had on your 'short list'. I have been using an Apogee Ensemble Firewire for many years, but sadly it won't work with my newest 2018 MacBook Pro (and the latest OS), so I need to choose a new interface for this computer. I noticed that the Element has an older Thunderbolt socket than the newer MacBook Pro USB 3 socket. I'm undecided whether I should wait for Apogee to bring their connections up to date, to match my computer.........I've already had to retire my Ensemble Firewire because of the connectivity issue...... What's your take on this connection difference?
Im really interested in the Apollo duo 3 with Logic I got a new M1 MacBook air, and the form factor and portability is now as important as audio quality. Have you gotten your hands on one of those to test?
Hey Chris, thanks for all the great vids! I upgraded from my duet to the Element 24 last week to go with my new 2020 MBP. I got nothing but constant crackling audio. It worked on my 2012 MBP so I got ANOTHER 2020 MBP today and same thing!! So bummed cuz it’s seems like a great interface. Anyone else had an issue like this?
Useful, thanks.
Focusrite isn't for Logic Pro. I don't know how I can get it to work... I had an Apogee and it was 'plug and play' when I set it as the audio device in Logic. But Focusrite doesn't give me any sound at all. It came with an old USB output, but I had change it to an USB C, 'cause my MacBook only has USB C port - is that an issue? I'm so confused and a bit angry that it doesn't work when I have put it to the chosen audio interface in Logic... Can you make a video for dummies on how to connect the 3gen Scarlett to Logic Pro? Plz help out.
I think in the next few months I will be seeking a new interface. Have you tried any RME products? If so wondering what your thoughts might be?
That was very interesting and I don’t even use Logic Pro! I’m a Pro Tools user but your comments re UAD still ring true to me. I actually really like the console now but you are correct saying it can be a bit overwhelming at first. Best of luck!
SPOT on!
Thanks very much. I was just trying to decide between the Quantum and the Elements, as an upgrade from my budget usb interface. Have you noticed any difference in latency between these thunderbolt 3 interfaces, when working in logic?
nice flavour saver on lip there fella
Thank you for the video. I am just wondering why the aspect of the number of input channels does not seem to be relevant. Or do you use a separate entity for that? I have a Behringer Xenyx UFX1204 (4 S + 4 M). I chose that partly for the number of inputs.
I see a Glen Edith coffee roasters cup. Are you from Rochester, NY?
Finally get to see his GORGEOUS face!! 😍
I hate that Apple doesn’t create their own hardware. I’d take an M1 chip-powered audio interface and Keyboard made for Logic without question.
Imagine a Drum Machine Designer controller!!
I don’t even wanna think about these I get anxious!!
Is Low Latency soundcard are better for plugins intensive mixing sessions?
What would you recommend now that they discontinued their element 24? (currently in the market to upgrade my presonus audiobox usb interface)
I've been trying to record my grand piano with Audient iD14 MK2 and Earthworks PM40. I record it to Logic Pro and listen to it. I'm not loving the sound quality. It comes out very dry and not natural. If I set the gain level higher, I get the clipping issue. If the gain level is lower, it sounds flat and dry. What can I do? How can I get cleaner and more natural sound?
great video
For me the best is Behringer U-PHORIA UMC402HD. Strictly plug & play with no setup and at an awesome price.
I make electronic music in Logic using mostly software. Looking for a new interface with good headphone output. Been looking at Audient and Twin X but after this video I’ll have to ask if maybe Apogee duet could be a good choice?
What about Antelope Audio Zen series?
Lol the face behind the digi curtain!!!❤👍✝️