This is Why the Marine Corps is FAILING | Why People are Getting Out of the Marine Corps
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- čas přidán 6. 11. 2022
- The Marine Corps has found itself in a mess that might not can be fixed. The Marine Corps is going through a major retention problem. And what is the cause of that, you may ask. Well in this video, I share a major reason of why this is happening, why the Marine Corps is failing. One of the main reasons the Marine Corps is struggling to retain Marines is because of the toxic leadership in the Marine Corps. It's something that has been haunting the Marine Corps for a while now. But for some reason isn't a pressing matter to the Marine Corps. But they might want to open their eyes because this is why the Marine Corps is failing. The toxic leadership in the Marine Corps has gotten out of hand and needs to be fixed. If not the Marine Corps, will not last. If the Marine Corps wants to retain more Marines, then they need to first look at themselves in the mirror. And ask themselves why Marines aren't staying in. Until they can answer that question honestly, then the Marine Corps will continue to lose Marines. Hopefully this video can be the start of the Marine Corps realizing that, the toxic leadership in the Marine Corps is the main reason why people are getting out of the Marine Corps. I hope you got a good insight on what you might can expect dealing with some of the toxic leadership in the Marine Corps. And as always thanks for watching.
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Couldn't agree with ya more Trell. There's so much pointless shit that goes on. The focus is completely lost and there's a ton of immaturity. I always wondered how I was supposed to care about the dudes I was with (especially in a war setting), when I could clearly see they didn't give a fuck and cared more about their self image and ego. (6 suicides within 6 months at 29 palms) From my experience Peacetime Marine Corps was a joke and waste of time.
It's just a sad case all the way around
I just got out, anyone going in just realize if you do not have a strong ass reason life will miserable especially if you are infantry
@@TrelltheGreat I've had bad leadership in the corps too at the NCO and SNCO levels. If you really want to get even with a douchebag officer there's ways to do it without violence.
What war setting where you in boot
This Is honestly a sad support group for I want to feel sad about myself marines. I will never call you brothers you little girls
The best example I can think of was after a Command Climate Survey. The Colonel was alarmed when he saw that a lot of Marines were depressed. So in good faith he decided to get all the E-5s and below together (along with the SgtMaj of course) to talk on a personal level to express concerns. Naturally no one wanted to speak at first, but eventually one Marine said that he felt undermined and no one took him serious when he asked for help. He elaborated a bit more and was very respectful. After the Colonel gave him a cookie cutter answer, the SgtMaj chimed in with "Next time you're speaking to the Colonel use your man voice and speak the fuck up, because from over here it just sounds like a bunch of whiney bitching".
I’ve been considering joining the marines but shit man it doesn’t even sound worth it at this point. I already have dealt with depression and makes me think the marines will only fuck me up worse and for what? A sense of belonging? Shit pay? I have a lot of respect for marines but it sounds like pure ass
It's the fact that that SgtMaj isn't going to have anything done to him for saying something like that
Sounds like a true SgtMaj right there.
That's so demotivating... like leadership is able to recognize that there is a problem but then can't get themselves out of their own reactionary learned behavior. In that example it sounds like some part of the Colonel in this case as a human being wanted to help, and that's what makes it even more sad than if they just didn't give even a single fuck.
@@TrelltheGreatNope, he’s saying when you have the opportunity to speak, speak up. Don’t piddle paddle or beat around the bush. Speak your concerns. Too many times lower enlisted complain about issues, but when the commanding officer or senior enlisted come around and ask if everything is ok, they stfu and say “yes sir/SgtMaj, everything is ok” If you can’t stand up for yourself, how the hell are you going to stand up for your Marines when you’re a leader or for your family, especially when you become a parent. Good leaders will hear you out and explain to you the whys when possible. But you have to speak up, especially when you are given the opportunity. But just don’t complain when you do and you fail to do so, which happens quite a bit with young Marines and Soldiers. There were times I have sat in those rooms when my Marines were given opportunities to speak their minds after it had been arranged by myself or other SNCOs because they brought up concerns, and they didn’t. We had one SgtMaj who served in Vietnam with 9th Marines, he even arranged a Senator McCain to come down to hear issues brought to his attention and not one young Marine said a thing. Afterwards, he shut the door and said calmly, “that they were bîtches for not standing up for themselves and if you can’t stand up for yourselves, what makes me think you will stand up for other Marines or why would I ever stick my dïck out for you again.” Shook his head with disappointment and left. This made those young Marines look at themselves in a different light and they learned a valuable lesson. This SgtMaj is relying the same message. You my not like the delivery, but the message was clear. Speak up with conviction and confidence especially if it’s important or you won’t be taken seriously or heard.
As military police you see these things all the time, everything he said in this video is absolutely true.
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I’m in the navy and MA’s (Military police rate/MOS) is the same shit, it’s fucking stupid. I get thrown out from my parent department to go TAD to security department and do their fucking job, and the toxicity is fucking out the roof. And pushing down their job knowledge down our fucking throat. Things of like what is 5 military court marcial articles and stupid forms of like 5580/1,2,3,4,8,9,10,16,19,20 forms like it’s fucking stupid. All we need to know is basic shit not some military police e5-e7 promotion exams. Like shit not even my job i fuel Jets on ships and or shore. And people who get sent to security get shit end of the stick to stand shit post. While the people who are actual MP’s/MA’s chill in the office or bullshit on zones and chillax on good posts where you sit and look at the water. Pretty much non military police get shit, while actual military police get the easy shit and love. And the shit posts and good posts are never equally distributed, due to toxic leadership and e5-e6 are just looking out for themselves so they can just look great from the e7 and above and officers. That’s why I wanna get out so fast in the navy, cuz people with rank are so fucking brain dead. I just want to smoke weed and get out. And all that shit bothers me and it’s not fair for my wife and i and causes arguments at home through time to time.
Yo bro what do you need to be a military police I am interested in that mos
Even in your PMO unit, some people that are ncos DO NOT deserve to be MP’s or NCOs for that matter.
@@osvaldocruz6645Have a heartbeat
Future Marines must watch this video. Trell is 100% accurate. It doesn't matter what your MOS is, I was an Avionics O-Level Tech. They just kept us in the hangar just for the hell of it. Friday nights were taken away. The leadership would keep us there till 1030PM on a Friday. You can't make any plans. The leadership is run by a bunch of idiots. I left after my first enlistment. Great Video Bro. I'm glad I had the GI Bill and Tuition assistance. All Vets go to school and take advantage of that.
It's just something you can't avoid
I'm 6531 Aviation ordnance for Marines and yes it's still hard to get taken serious by civilians when I tell them I've done 16-18 hours days on the regular and they think I'm just MAKING it UP.
Former 6531
I served in the USMC 2009-2013, and what's crazy is he is not lying. This is something that was going on before, during my time, and I see is still going on. This is the everyday life in the MC. This is why so many marines get out but also have such a love/hate relationship.
I was a Marine from 1996-2002. It was far worse then compared to now but the culture was different. We have a classic case of leaders who are stuck in a bygone era/ culture. The youth of today are much different and won't put up with the culture of the past.
You’re changing the marine corps with this video. I’m grateful as I am shipping out in a few months
Notice how much more alive and gleefully this man is vs when he was still in the Corp in his old videos
I’m a Marine Sergeant. Went to Marine OCS and was told I was a “POS” and that my “leadership or experiences doesn’t mean shit” in front of just graduated college kids as I was hazed/smoked in front of them by the Drill Instructors. I told the 1stSgt I wanted to become an Officer to lead good Marines, not be a new recruit again. It was then I realized the Corps has a serious issue. How is treating prior service Marines fkn teaching any leadership? Did I not prove I could lead when I saved 2 junior Marines from getting r@ped? Or killing themselves? Or all the field Ops I’ve done? Or Marines I’ve already lead? Or the literal thousands of Marines (officers and SNCO) that I have literally trained in tactical lessons? Just makes little to no sense.
This all happened this week.
I’m furious and heartbroken. The Marines are dying thanks to egotistical higher-ups. You make good points.
That is horrible. Are you still trying to be a marine officer?
Hell no. I almost have my Masters (MBA) and run a business currently while living in sunny SoCal. If there's a war worth fighting, maybe I will slide back in and resume as a reserve Sgt.
For now, I really do enjoy civilian life, being my own boss, my hobbies, etc. I lost a lot of time on active duty and have no desire to get back in anytime soon and lose even more time.
The fact that the military doesn't have a separate training pipeline for enlisted-to-officer really just shows you they don't value their experienced talent at all... and if that's the case, then why give them more of your life? @@Monnoponno34627
For the record; I am completely for the high standards in OCS and Recruit Training. I do not blame DI's or training staff. They don't know better. They carry out the plan of the day to train kids into Marines. Not worry about retention of prior enlisted.
I blame the talent management/progression logic. It makes no sense to make seasoned Marines endure it all over again when they are simply trying to progress themselves into a higher echelon of leadership. I now see this is done by design to keep many enlisted out of the officer ranks. They are almost seen as a threat when compared to the clueless college kid LT.
@@Euro316 How bad was time management and stuff during active duty? how different was it for the officers?
I worked in the military prisons guarding military prisoners. For 4 years, I basically worked 24 hours on / 24 hours off. When we went to sleep, we'd get a few hours (3-5 hours). Basically, you'd have to sleep in the next empty cell next to the prisoners in case something happened. The job, stress, and sleeping schedule really did age some of us and stress us out.
Some of my Marines definitely had freakouts after a while, myself included. It gradually builds up until one day you are just angry all the time. Or forgetting to take care of things. Or depressed. Or whatever else.
By the time you're a SNCO or Officer, you have already done that "crap" part and generally leave at 4:30pm everyday. Sometimes they forget what it is like to be on the ground level. Other times they make efforts to help you out. However, almost none of them will look after you if it potentially means "looking bad" in front of their own leaders.
We had to basically beg to get more Marines that could assist us. Or for a more reasonable schedule.
Then there's all of the other normal Marine stuff you have to do. Fitness tests, PT, uniform checks, classes, ceremonies, etc. This is still important because your job alone doesn't make you a good Marine. Otherwise, they would just hire civilians. It's just that sometimes this stuff can compound if you already have a tough job.
The camaraderie was the saving grace. Most of my guys and I were decently tight.
Sometimes we'd go empty and have weeks on a normal 7am-4pm schedule. We wouldn't be doing much besides trolling each other, volunteering, doing whatever training we had planned, or admin tasks. Those are the good times. I let my guys go home early many times when possible.
So yeah man. In a nutshell, enlisted life can be rough. It is where you earn your stripes and experience. As you progress, it can get easier.
Officers tend to be more disconnected from both junior enlisted and senior enlisted.
I've been mocked by a few when bringing up issues respectfully... and I was a "Model Marine". Could get a clean faded haircut, slip into my cammies with tight sleeves, and call cadence like a USMC commercial or something.
I think that experience is why I am disappointed with how the military kind of sucks with talent management.
Word of caution: On Active Duty, your entire life is military almost 24/7. Your social circle. The lingo. The rules. Everything.
I was stationed in Japan for 3.5 years which believe it or not... is fking depressing. It's not like you are in the center of Tokyo or can leave base and talk to new Americans as easily as the US. It can be isolating sometimes. We had an Officer's 12-year-old son hang himself on a tree on base. Many service members do think of suicide when overseas for so long.
The government did this to all overseas tours. They must be there at least 36 months. They did this because they wanted to get as much work out of overseas service members. In the US, it's only 2-year posts.
All of this can sometimes put you in a bubble.
When I left Active Duty, I was still motivated to come back as an Officer. I had to wait almost 18 months for OCS (Officer Boot Camp).
During that 18 months, I found myself again and saw the freedom I missed out on. When it was time for me to go back to OCS, something felt severely wrong. I felt really sick.
When I got to OCS, I told myself I would play the game again and hope the fire would re-ignite. On the outside, I was once again a "performer". On the inside, I felt really dead and every day I was there I felt like I was taking a step back in my actual life.
One day during a classroom, I looked around and made the decision to hang it up. I already lost a lot of time. Plus, if they didn't respect my experience to where I would have to restart all over again, then any future attempts at making positive changes were futile.
This is my personal experience and it is pretty unique overall.
We all join for different reasons man. I joined for free college and to join something bigger than myself. I accomplished that.
I just got carried away and convinced myself it was all that mattered in life, when it really isn't.
If you want to join, join. I never consider it a bad decision. Either active duty or reserves will build your character and life experience.
Really hope this helps you. It is what recruiters won't tell you (hint: recruiters are struggling with themselves internally too sometimes.)
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One story I do wanna share while I was in. I was on ROM (restrict of movement) for 5 days due to having severe covid like symptoms. I was literally coughing, sniffing, congested, light headed, you name it. Got tested for covid and quarantined for 5 days. Told my leadership, gave them proof that I got tested, and had a medical officer tell me to return to work ONLY if my test results came back negative. They would either call me about my results within 24 hours or I could go online and check. 2 days go by and I haven’t got anything. I even told my leadership that I haven’t heard anything. On the 3rd day of quarantine, next thing I know my SNCO told me to come to work (still haven’t got test results) and see the First Sergeant. Turns out they were questioning me on why I’ve been gone for 2 days. I told them straight up everything that i got tested and quarantined. (At this point I still had bad symptoms) They didn’t believe me, but they let the situation go.
One month later, LITERALLY one week before my EAS date I go see my first sergeant because apparently they want to NJP me for unauthorized absent for those 2 days I was “quarantined” all because they didn’t believe me. I’m like honestly at this point I don’t give two shits because I get out in A WEEK and I’m not gonna postpone that by staying in any longer than I should be because my leaders are so eager to get every marine out there in trouble. 4 days before my EAS date they wanted me to go see the BN CO and SgtMajor. The day of my NJP sentence, before I could go see the BN CO, my first sergeant told me not to worry about it. And I’m like wow what a fucking shit show lmao
that's crazy
Yea that’s toxic leadership for you brother. I have a bunch of stories but on my last day my sgt put me on duty and I had duty already two days before that and when I told them I had duty already literally two days ago they said “well that sucks.” I was so mad bro I got into a fist fight with my NCO over that a dude twice my size but I stood my ground I didn’t win but I still got my hits in. Fuck the marine corps bro
@@Gucciyolo hell yeah that’s what I like to hear stand up against these weak douche bags.
I did my 4 and got out. You 100% accurate I watch some good people lose their minds because of How bad the stress was. I went over and did CIV PMO and the stuff you said about just having no one there when they’re crying out for help is also true. Whenever we show up sometimes it’s just sad and now they get deemed unfit for duty. I only do this job to still watch over Marines who need help.
Trell i agree with you 100%. The unit I was at was toxic as hell everyday I hated putting my uniform on everyday and I saw how my leadership was playing favorites and cared about making them self look good instead of caring about others.
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Really needed to hear this. 100% true. I am coming up on my 2 years and absolutely hate it. I cannot wait to get out. I haven't even seen the worst of it yet. I wished this video was out before I enlisted. I would not have done it one bit. Thank you for the great content. Keep it coming.
Trell just found you and subbed. People can say you are just bitchin until they look at the factual statistics on suicide and see the factual truth. As a lifetime educator of young guys, I agree with the toxicity that needs to be seriously addressed..thanks bro for your time, effort, and concern making this video. Thank you for your service......Ray
All I can say is wow. I retired in 2008-the social media wasn't there yet. But you could see where the Corps was going-especially from those that had not seen combat-peacetime Corps is totally different. Hope the best for this young man. Then there was something called discipline-eroded.
As a marine who recently graduated boot camp and has been in IMC for 3 weeks, I am beginning to understand you’re perspective.
I haven’t even hit the fleet and I am starting to see it.
A guy committed suicide last Wednesday in my company for imc. He shot himself in the head. It was shocking and what you are saying is true.
I’m so glad I came across you’re channel of a marine who tells it like it is. You give great advice that I need to survive these next 3 1/2 years.
I was in the Marine Corps from 2012-2016. It was one of the best decisions that I ever made, I've been out for 6 years now. The Marine Corps set me up for success. However, my enlistment was not easy, especially being in the infantry. Here's some advice:
1. Save your money and learn how to invest money. Do your research on real estate, stock market, cryptocurrency, gold & silver. Believe me, your leadership isn't going to teach you financial literacy. Scoring a 300 CFT & 300 PFT, shooting expert on the rifle will only get you so far.
2. If you plan on getting out, have a solid plan and have plenty of money saved up before you leave. You don't want to get out of the military without knowing what the next step is for your life.
3. Enjoy the times you spend with your buddies. Believe me, you'll miss them when you're out of the military.
4. Try and go on a deployment. Deployment can be stressful and very hectic at times. However there will be plenty of travel and adventure. And the memories you make will be with you for life.
4. Try to stay out of trouble. Believe sometimes in the military you can get in trouble just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
5. Learn as much as you can from the military. Take advantage of the schools, the courses that are offered, etc. Because those can help you when you get back into the civilian world.
6. Your enlistment might feel like it's going to last forever, but it'll be over before you know it. Take the good with the bad, keep your faith in God, so everything you can to better yourself. The struggles and the hardship will make you better in the long run.
Dang bro I’m sad to hear we lost another brother to suicide. Just try and keep pushing bro
2 tac imc?
@@Ocende yes
Sad to hear about this. I was in from 1990-2001. The leadership has failed that Marine. Leaders need to empower their subordinates. I tried my best to help young Marines to be successful. Set the Marine up for success.
Thank you for this video.
Yo trell, thank you for this video I’m a poolee and still going forward with 03xx contract even tho I watch all your vids and you keep it real even all the recruiters in my station too. I just hope I get put into a good unit that truly cares about its Marines and I’ll continue to remember why I enlisted and keep motivated. Our station commander is a 0311 gunnery sergeant with Purple Heart, CAR with a star you know all that fancy shit but he keeps it real and tells us poolees that want to go infantry that it’s gonna be a lot of BS that we’ll deal with mostly in peacetime.
You sound like you got the right mindset, you’ll be good. I wish you the best
Facts bruh. I witnessed almost everything you say. One small case, if someone doesn't reply in our chat in less then 2 minutes after work time , we all getting out of room in the middle of night cold and started getting smoke. This went every week
I’ve already been dealing with untreated trauma and stress my whole life, made me wished I could’ve properly treated my depression before joining Marines.
But going through basic training and learning from the Marines like the range instructors talking about how shitty the fleet gonna be compared to how my recruiter said it’s gonna be amazing after bootcamp😂
Just gotta eat another shit sandwich for another year I guess, but great video as always, wished I found this channel before I signed up.
Man I'm sorry you didn't, but sounds like you're going to be fine. Good luck
When I left in 1992, it was not something to put on their docket. It got corrected during Operation Desert Shield/Storm because of the importance of unit cohesion. When my mother died, the hazing was curtailed UNTIL I had a choice to leave. I shared my story with other content creators. I tried to keep from showing my pride in the Marines while stationed in Hawaii.
What you experienced I DEFINITELY suffered through. When stationed in North Carolina, I had a supervisor...an NCO, who had a good marriage and he killed his wife then himself. The leadership didn't respect this NCO to leave his family alone.
Man, I agree 100%. Great video.
I came in skeptical to watch this and here is my points: thank you for sharing this and still having an impact on the Corps. This video is being talked about on LinkedIn. I can say the last recent years, I have seen a drastic change of culture. It could be social media, it could be the purge of the old mentality, but none the less; it is getting better.
Bro please make more videos like these, anyone who actually experienced the Corps agrees with you 100% and wants to hear your rants, reminds us we aren’t alone. I’m a active 0331 who’s trying out for a SOF community outside of the Marine Corps. And when people ask why I don’t want to join MARSOC I tell them straight up it’s because I’m so repulsed by anything to do with the Marine Corps for the exact reasons and more that you’ve just described
For anyone thinking about enlisting in the Corps I can’t recommend it at all, please understand the Marine Corps is a ship that is sinking and everyone is to afraid to tell the Captain about it, because the Captain has had a history of abusing people who come to him with legit problems looking for solutions
Someone has to speak up
Would you recommend any branch at all?
@@Topsealguy 100% bro if you are just looking to stay conventional go Air Force. If you want to go Special Operations go Army. They have Green Berets, Rangers, Delta Force, Ranger Recon, ISA, and 160th Soar and they are all treated like professionals (because they are) it’s a true brotherhood inside of those communities, and you’ll get to do absolute really cool gangster shit
@@TrelltheGreat Shoud I still feel bad about leaving boot? I was in Hotel Co and got dropped to MRP. I mean maybe I dodged a bullet?
@@JonHunt292 Hey man it may hurt that you didn't get to earn the title Marine, but yes you just dodged a massive bullet. This is a highly toxic organization that is trying to live in the past and is focused more on being perceived as the best then actually being the best. You just saved yourself 4 years of asking yourself what in the actual fuck am I doing.
I did 4 years of active duty experienced ups and downs and yes you are correct here.
I ended up getting out then a couple of years later I RE-UPPED!! and I grew in my leadership and was able to be fair and impartial {to the best of my ability} I ended up serving 21 years and I was an Artillery canonner 0811 it was a hard-working always outside type of M.O.S. deployments to Foreign countries to shoot Artillery and do the deeds I was expected to do. it wasn't easy and yes the Marine Corps can give u the big green weenie sometimes.
Thank you for speaking out.
Hey brother, while I do understand every bullet point you hit, I also sympathize with your frustration and shattered dreams. I am currently AD SSgt, and I can wholeheartedly tell you that every Marine I have come across, I have always tried to help them because of some of the things you said. I do not seek validation nor to be in the "liked" club as long as we do right by them. So far, I have spoken out in any case that I found myself defending a Marine and will gladly do so until the day I retire. Every officer that has come across me already knows we will have "the talk." I dont play around, and lets take care of them.
Some of the things you went through were on a smaller scale since everything you mentioned had a 'fix' to it, through proper mentoring, guidance, and worthwhile priase for those hard-working younger Mariens. The unfortunate part is that you really had some crappy leaders who thought their rank was their personality and actually did not know HOW to be a REAL Marine. There is more to it than just the title. Like I always tell my younger Marines, I am you, I am not better than you, I just been in longer.
The word leadership means sooooo many different things that some people think running in front of formation yelling at people to run faster or do things harder makes them "It." I always believed that every single one of your Marines, may it be 1 or 40 size platoon, they have EARNED at least 5 minutes of your undivided attention. No matter what. For you to hear them out, recognize if there is a problem and work with them THROUGH THEIR PROBLEMS. We have told America, "we enlisted your sons and your daughters, and we will take care of them, trust us." Undoubtedly, some Marines can not see beyond their own small-minded scope and can not truly problem solve and will get overwhelmed and frustrated.
Lastly, for anyone reading this who is currently AD/Commissionor or about to enlist;
Do better by your Marines. You have the voice, you have earned the rocker for a reason. Get out of your comfort zone and GROW mentally. Our most treasure resource is our younger/current generation. This isnt a club that you just wait out your time. Teach them the right way. Make a true investment for future generations to come. This is our legacy.
Honor. Courage. Commitment.
We need more leaders with this mindset
You make me still want to join in spite of all this negative stuff I hear because I want to do my part to stay in and help. I'm already old (23) compared to the young guys and have grown more as a person in the last two years than in the first 21
@noegarcia7491 Go march into your recruiters office and join. You will not regret it.
@@Legend7 dude shut up
@@noegarcia7491 I joined when I was 24. It aint bad. Your body might just breakdown faster n boot camp tho 😂 I know mine did. Had shin splints through out. Toughed it out no rest no meds just pain when boots came on and runs etc 😂 but I wanted to graduate with my platoon so that’s why I dealt with the pain.
I’m an active duty O-5 but I’ve also been a PFC. Marines EVERYWHERE NEED to hear this story. I’ve shared it as far as I know how. We need to hear more stories like this!
I got out of the MC back in 2001. Sad to see things haven’t changed. I recommend the battalion Sergeant Majors show this video and the comments to all the NCOs in an Leader Professional Development muster and show them the low recruitment and retention rates with the hopes of making the corps a brotherhood as advertised and a place where marines can enjoy being a Marine.
That’s a wild rant with a lot of emotion. I’m not sure if you had a bad day or if you’re just tired of being a junior trooper or what, but the only way to fix these issues is to either ETS so it isn’t your problem anymore or gain rank and run thinks differently in your little microcosm. Throwing a fit online isn’t going to help you or anyone else
I got out in 2009 after a 4 year enlistment, and a lot of what you said rang true with what I remember of the marine corps. We got hazed quite a bit, and it was very much intentional. One thing I found very strange was that the ncos forced new marines in the fleet to shave their heads every week. That absolutely did not happen in my unit. I was in 1/11 in Camp Pendleton and we had to have a hair cut every weekend before Monday, but we were not required to shave our heads. That definitely should have been addressed by the platoon commanders and staff ncos.
Sorry about your experience and seemingly Marines over last several years . I served 87-90 and sounds like it was way different. I am proud of my service . Take the good out of it , man just seems like everything is going to shit .
Respect to you Trell. Got out the marine corps in 2021 and put that shit behind me.
Glad you made it through brother
And the military still wonders why they have retention issues.
Its very similar to how army infantry is. My first 4-5 months as an E1-E2 was also nothing but daily hazing for stupid shit. It was more like bullying from team leaders and squad leaders. Those leaders eventually got in trouble for doing shit off work(one guy beat his wife and the other a dui) and they were punished.
As far as leaders they only care about themselves looking good and dont listen to anyone else because of their ego. The way rank inflates a person’s ego is something else.
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I was in the Marine Corps from 1990-2001, I was an 0341, I had good experience with leadership and I have seen toxic leadership. We got away with things back then. I’m 50 now and in a high leadership role in a PD. I have a son in ITB right now and the MAT company was a shit show from what I have been told. I have heard of things occurring in the ITB company that I would question the leadership. Sure, there are good NCO’s and SNCO’s and some that need to be checked. I am trying not to be that dad, because I still believe this is also my Marine Corps as well, even though I’m out. I have two combat actions on two continents, and I think us Marines who are out need to do what we can to make the Marine Corps what it should be. I love the Marine Corps and would encourage everyone to join. The top brass need to listen to young Marines and the ones who have gotten out. I grew up in the Marines, but have matured in the last 22 years. NCO’ and SNCO’s should and must be that brother and father figure. We must send letters to people who will listen. America doesn’t need the Marine Corps, but Americans want the Marine Corps. We need to stand as one voice and let the higher powers know that they are failing Marines!!! It was sad to hear in one of the comments that a Marine committed suicide. That command failed him. Semper Fi gents!!!
Semper Fi. I can't agree more that we need to get back to the true brotherhood. But like you said we have to get the higher leaders to realize that Marines are not enjoying being Marines.
It was disheartening to listen to my son say that he had now wished he had gone to college. I get he may be a bit homesick, and adjusting to the Marine Corps. But, standing out in the cold in the we hours of the morning and playing games inside of the barracks is not what these Marines need. Hold the Marines accountable who are screwing up. NCO’s and SNCO’s don’t need to abuse their authority over junior subordinates. New Marines are soaking it in and they see the toxic leadership at such an important stage of their career…at the beginning!!
As an Nco of Marines (6154) I can promise you I won’t abide by those ways. I don’t agree with the things that were done to me as a lcpl and I sure as fuck won’t join in on them, but rather stick up for them. Ofcourse this isn’t the mindset for most and it’s sad but I wouldn’t want to be the reason someone gets out!!
Semper Fi Devil🤙🏻
Rah devil
bro i can feel you frustration through the screen. i ship out december 5 hopefully my experience isn't like yours, your vids helped me alot to prepare💪🏽
I'm sure you're going to have a way better experience. Good Luck
Antonio my ship date is December 5 as well, San Diego right?
Yo that’s my ship date too, San Diego
@@davidm2076 u got instagram bro?
Yea daveed.01
As a leader, I made sure that my soldiers were protected. No one could address them without coming through me first. I would take the heat because that is my job. My soldiers are a reflection of me. That is why there is a chain of command. On that same note, when you f’ ed up, you got dealt with. When my soldier was expecting a child, I had them do an open leave form to be executed when the baby was literally on the way. Other than that, you are expected to work until that point. I was in the army though.
The sad reality is that this lack of leadership isnt any better anywhere else right now. Its an America thing, not a Marine Corps thing.
I went through all the same 2001 - 2008 and yet the leadership I had in the Corps was way better than everything I've experienced since.
The Corps is still suffering from war fatigue from Iraq and Afghan. A lot od good leaders left the Marine Corps in the 2000s.
I got out in 2005 and recalled in 2008. In those 3 years the Corps was burnt out by deployments. Standards dropped horribly. I got promoted to Sgt and a Sgt told me "Congrats, you just got oromoted to an old school Cpl".
He wasnt lying either. The level of responsibility and resoect that Corporals used to have was not at the Sgt level. Thats because Marines were picking up Cpl too fast because Cpls were getting out left and right because they did 3 deloyments in 4 years.
NCOs are the backbone and Iraq and Afgan pushed a lot of Marines out because of deployment burnout.
The Corps got soft but soft times make tough times and tough time make tough men.
Hell yeah Evan keep up the content
Is this SOI little girl story coming soon?
Will do
@@haiggevorkian542 it’s next up
Im preparing for it thank you
Tbh I fully understand where you’re coming. I think the “hazing” is very excessive to where it should be. Razzing each other is one thing but there are times things are taken too far. But as a NCO+ you still raze peers builds bonds between each other.
I do fully agree BIG military, regardless of branch needs to take a look within to figure out why things aren’t being taken care of like they should for example mental health.
When I entered the military I was expecting the FMJ treatment but sadly it was more charmin like. People need to be mentally tough just as much as physical. Thick skin is not issued to you but it’s learned. On the flip side, leadership should also be understanding and work with you not coddle you.
Great point
@@TrelltheGreat I appreciate you sharing your views and your message.
Some “leadership” are more concerned with military shenanigans instead of being good at their job. And those “leaders” are usually the ones that are incompetent at their jobs and need to find something to deflect how terrible at their jobs to show how tough they are. I’ve seen so many people leave because they are frustrated that more emphasis is placed on looking good instead of professional.
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I failed my piss test at bootcamp for thc-9, got kicked out during phase 2. God was whispering to me to hit that blunt
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@@TrelltheGreat jokes aside i was so sad when my SDI told me. I was doing really well. Was 1st squad leader.🤣
@@jj-lm6hd dang
I was Air Force but much love to you being honest with your videos brother.
I got out in 2017 I recently went back in. I am striving to be the leader and NCO I never had. I’m a lat move 0352. My biggest goal is to be the leader that gains respect from higher ups and lower enlisted. I want to be a good mentor and mediator for the Junior Marines. Things you’re saying is true to an extent. I do not believe it’s this way throughout every command. However it does exist and it is a problem. I can deal with it better than most, which is why I’d rather put up with it than some kid who just enlisted.
Why should anyone have to deal with it. But this is just a life problem as well, not just a military one
@@TrelltheGreat I agree. No one should have to. But it’s inevitable. No matter if you’re a civilian in the work force, military, contracting, politician, business owner, does not matter. Somewhere along that pecking order there will be toxic leadership… it’s amplified in the military due to the sheer size of the military it’s self. No one should ever be treated less than human. But it will happen in every unit, humans are humans it’ll happen from certain individuals. And it trickles down to the impressionable lance cpl who then does it when he becomes a senior…. I am breaking that cycle, and treating those like men… dick when I need to be, but that’s very rare. I Support my guys as a team, and like a person…. You get more motivation and better results from your guy. But with that mentality you better be able to handle the heat and toxicity from higher if it exists in your unit. That’s the sole purpose of being an NCO…. Train, teach, mentor, protect, and yes LEARN from your Marines as well
Thank you for your honesty. The ones not ranting is not being honest with themselves.
Someone has to speak up in order for there to be a change
I asked my son yesterday. My youngest just finished MCT. He said not much hazing in bootcamp but in MCT. They say it’s part of the training and can always explain why it’s done.
You gained a whole subscriber bro.
thank you
Trell, You said it man! I'm coming up on year 7 in the Corps and still am a Corporal...
And I've never been in trouble, never failed a PFT or a CFT, never Failed Rifle Qualification
I was always obedient and there was always a childish excuse to why I couldn't get promoted.
And everytime I showed respect and made an attempt to improve myself, it was always a joke!
I don’t believe you. Do better.
@johnschrab6129 oh OK, being that you know me
Son is a current Marine (Infantry) and experiences all of this... I have to talk him off the ledge all the damn time; makes me angry at his chain. What I will say as prior USAF, most senior NCO ranks in all of the branches... usually above E5 are out to boost themselves at the expense of everyone down the chain.
Dang, I’m going to MEPS soon for the Marines 🫤 thank you for the video though, sir.
You'll be fine good luck
Same bruh
They do not have the incentives to compete with any other branch. Also its by far the worst experience for the least pay.
when i was a lcpl and running my cpl pulled me out of the run for extra exercises. he said pushups. i said you are going to do them with me. so he did. and we did not do that many because he was tired. i overexerted myself to run and catch back up to the platoon and he struggled. that day someone learned it hurts to f*ck with people.
These are the things that we usually don't talk about, because nobody cares. Even I went through too much $h!t when I was in Pendleton.
I watched your video and even talked to you on Instagram and your the reason I’m supply bc I didn’t want to experience it to that degree Infantry
Now that was just my experience, and I share my experiences with y'all just to give y'all a heads up of what could happen
My father was a staff Sergeant in the Marines and been in for over 12 years. He did 5 Tours and been thought Every aspect of War, he told me he watched his friends get blown up in Fallujah, and he had to do thing just to survive to see his kids . At the of the Day my father never got the help he deserved because it was Shunned to ask for help. PTSD and suicide is real in the Marines and for the longest I wanted to be apart of that system, but wants the Point if you going to be treated like shit…my father was a Warrior and a hero to a nation that never gave a thought about him and I will always have a special place in my heart for the USMC.
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Infantry Marine from 2015-2019 everything he said is unfortunately spot on. Didn’t mind the hazing, hard training, or embracing the suck. I hated the peace time USMC and the higher ups not giving a fuck. My direct leadership was always awesome but from the 1st Sgt up it was bull shit.
Being a 27 year old Sgt 1 month away from EAS being told to police call the CP like a boot private simply because I was about to eas and couldn’t go on the 29palms work up still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Proud of my service and love the Marine Corps but I wonder if things were different if I would still be in or not.
Looks like the opportunities in the military is good however if you have people with certain ranks or boss positions mentally abusing you it’s not a good area to be in. Also If you don’t enlist y’all might as well go into getting a trade or Stem Degree or into the Tech Field and secure that bag.
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I served in the wing 82-02, there were toxic leaders then as well but seemed to be the exception rather than the rule. I can truly say I only had two toxic leaders, one was a WO-1 who was eventually sent packing home and a 1st Lt who somehow made LtCol years later. I butted heads with the WO-1 for the way he treated Marines and he swore he’d see that I never made Gunny, and he did. I’m good though, still married to the same lovely lady, great kids, grandkids and a good career after the Corps. Do I miss the Corps, yes the Marines not the institution.
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Went to IMC last year and saw everything you covered. Thats just in training!!!!!! I can't imagine how the fleet is going to be. We had 2 kids' suicide during IMC because of the instructors hazing them. Both shot themselves on the range. One was 17 and the other was 20. Not even a year into their contract and they couldn't handle it. Now imagine how someone who is in for 4 years feels and struggles throughout their time.
Went through IMC last year on East Coast. One of my buddies committed suicide over Christmas liberty. The instructors bullied and hazed him because his dad was active Marsoc.
RIP O'Neal
RIP man. Take care
Well shit man I’m going to ITB in a few hours hopefully it won’t be as bad. I’m a reservist and glad I am one. I just hope to learn a lot and avoid as much bullshit as possible. 0311 rifleman
Itb east ?
Good luck
@@TrelltheGreat well aight tight so I get here yes SOI east and uhhh basically there telling us that we might have to wait 1 to 2 months in the holding platoon that were actually before we actually start training. Which is some bullshit. But that’s what’s going on at the moment.
It is very toxic in the Marine Corps. I served from 87 to 91 as soon as I hit the fleet, I knew I wasn't going to reenlist. You'd be surprised at the number of Marines that go UA
I was a polee for the Marine Corps in the late 2010’s. Within 4 months of being in DEP with ‘em, I already experienced toxic leadership. I respected the commitment in PTs, it was an amazing experience to be able to run 5 miles; plus, do god knows how many push-ups and sprints in the mountain, for example. However, power was given to non-prior service people… Squad leaders were, well, “leaders”. I once woke up at 0700 to a call from my squad leader yelling at me for “not answering the group chat on time”. She was pi-d off like a parakeet. I still had a lot of time to go the recruiter’s office, to show up on time. We were getting trained HARD every weekdays and even some weekends.
I drastically lost weight during my time there (if I weighed 155, I weighed 140 as a 5’6 in one week and a half. My family got concerned for my health), ate little to nothing to stay within “limits” before going to MEPS while we were getting sweated hard.
I respect honorable Marines like you, sir; the recruiters I met were not honorable, they were outright selfish caring about how they looked and mind-controlled the living f- out of everyone; taught them non-priors to call out those who were not “committed enough”. Anyways, there are so many stories I have from the polee program (some of them even outright illegal: plenty) , but thank you for this video. I chose to serve with the Coast Guard instead. Hoorah!
P.S. one of the recruiters got in trouble big time because of a rumored polyamorous relationship with two girls with whom I “served” with in DEP. Let’s say he got demoted as an SNCO. Jesus. I hope you have a good year 🙏🏼
Thank you for sharing this. I’m in the process of going in the USMC and I just must ask with this. Are you referring to obviously post Boot Camp and active duty and would reserve be a better option in the case of just avoiding that and just having a healthy civilian life balance with that or our reserved Marines not really spared this kind of deal?
I get it. Really I do. But damn, rant complete.
Well at least someone is letting people know about the level of toxicity. The Corps made alot of who I am today, as it probably did you and the rest of our brothers. Thank you for this. Also new sub .
Semper Fi brother
Thank you and Semper Fi
I’m not a Marine but the best example I can think of were those who’d abuse their rank just to make an easy life for themselves rather than lead by example. If a shit job needed doing, they were nowhere to be seen. They genuinely thought they were like some King or Emperor and we were only there to be their Servants.
The worst SNCO was this one guy who stayed in his Office after work for over an hour only because he wanted someone on the nightshift to walk past, that he could make them empty his wastepaper bin for him or wash his coffee cup for him (he wouldn’t even take it to a sink, someone had to do that for him). It would have taken him 2 minutes to do it himself.
The best leaders are those who lead by example, who will do anything he asks his men to do.
These stories amuse me. I go through my closet on a daily basis to see my service uniforms and reminds me of all the dumb shit and cool stuff I did while I was in. Man am I glad it’s over, but boy do I miss it too. I don’t miss the dumb shit. I miss the boys and doing fun stuff lmao
I do miss it sometimes
It’s all true. I hated the mindset of leaders who just thinks they know it all just because they were in the fleet 6 months earlier.
My brother is going to boot camp next month. And all this negative stuff is scaring me man. Wish him the best.
I’m planning on joining but this making me think twice 😭
@@nitrix3353 really think about it bro ! Good luck.
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Don’t do it
holy fuck man, same@@nitrix3353
He can still back out of going into the marines. Long as he didn't sign the second contract and get sworn in
Hey Trell first off man i appreciate your advice and the video’s you put out. Its nice to know what im getting myself into and have an idea of marine corps as well. I was thinking of going into the construction MOS, I know you were in infantry but do you have any experience with those cats? Do you think it will be as toxic as infantry?
I don't know much about that MOS and everyone has a chance no matter what MOS to have a toxic leader
@@TrelltheGreat You also have the chance to have a good leader. As I remember when I was in, I had a share of good and bad leaders, some cared, and some were just dumb. Some were dumb and cared, When I became an E-5 I was horrible leader, because the Marines did not have a true leadership course, I did NCO school, and they were boring, I even skipped out and snuck in Sniper school for a class. Maybe that was the class I was supposed to learn compassion. What they need is a true mentor who cares about his troops. And watches a new NCO's/Officer's every move.
I learned compassion many years later and now I think I am a good leader and run an organization very much like the Marine crop. Except I sit down with my leaders every 3 months listen to then, observe them, comment on what they can improve and ask them a dozen questions, on how I can improve, and how everyone else can improve, including themselves. Also, when my staff fail, I take responsibly and take any punishment first, and with them.
But when my Marine leadership would not listen and would not act on my issue, I requested mast, I got all the way up to my company commander, but when I got to him, he listened, knew I was going to request up to the commandant, if nothing got done, and they would look like idiots. The problem was resolved in 24 hours. Also, I was the unit hand to hand combat instructor, so no one really messed with me.
Like I heard several times in the comments, stand up for yourself. Keep requesting mast until you get a corrected response, after all you're in the Marines with 18-year-old children who become 22-year-old children. They say your brain does not fully mature until you are 26 years old. Some folks never grow up, so don't expect too much from them.
Semper Fidelis my brothers and sisters!
I'll never forget a staff sergeant telling a sergeant we're going to stay in the field an extra day so he has to miss school. This extra day was optional and only done to fuck with the sergeant since all we did was sit in the humvee the entire day.
It's the fact that this happens more than people think
In regards to the poor leadership I could not have said it better myself!!! Definitely got out and switching to another branch.
To many Marines getting out because of this
Ive been out for what appears to be as long as you've been alive and all i can say is nothing much has changed
my husband was an infantry marine & it still happens in 2022
This is why exactly why we lose good marines like yourself I currently enlisted going officer route and hope to make some sort of change not for myself but for the lower enlisted
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How is going enlisted?
I joined the Marines when I was 17 years old, I had to get my parents signature. It was the best decision of my life. At first your just on open book, taking in things after a while you see that the biggest threats to retention are other Marine NCO's. I will give you an example as a colatoral duty I was selected to attend Fleet Embark School. It was very demanding, after graduation our class could proudly transport any equipment from rations to rounds by deuce plane or ship. When I got back to my unit after all of that I was placed in embark to paint shipping boxes, by a senior NCO who did not have a fleet embark certification. I informed the Staff Sgt of my qualification, he stopped me in mid sentence and said he did not care. It took all my strenth not to unload on him. My fellow Marines that had left the Corps later contacted me and got me a high paying job in the civilian world. Yup I will say it AIR WING baby. In my opinion poor NCO leadership is the most common reason for eliminating moral and re-enlistment. I know there are other factors involved, but most common. I am talking about the 1980's I still hear the same stories today. I think of todays Marines who have served in forward combat areas are a treasure, and we just let them go by the way side UN-SAT...!
I wish we had real leaders that helps you, listen, and take extreme ownership
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Are the leaders enlisted or commissioned?
@@nothinghere8860 both
@@nothinghere8860 both
Damn
Bro please open up more about your experiences it’s very eye opening
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Sorry to hear the state of leadership in our Corps today. I was fortunate to have no nonsense Vietnam vets for Drill Instructors, and then as NCOs in the fleet. They weren't easy on us by any stretch, but they did treat us like men and Marines. The big Corps wide problems back then were burnout from Vietnam, drugs, and racial division.
We never promised you a rose garden!
I had the same experience in the army but it was well known almost too well known that people straight up didn’t trust their lead ship and I started to do the same thing and I developed real bad paranoia of who to trust. There’s so much drama someone you might have trusted before you might not trust a few days later because of gossip and you never could tell what was true
Nothing braver than a veteran actually telling the truth about what’s it like to serve alongside these “leaders” aka human garbage.
I had very mixed experiences with hazing in the corps. In some units its way over the line constantly, especially combat arms units that haven't deployed in a while. In other units, its more like being on a high school football team. I was in a mortar platoon in LAR back when LAV crewmen were still classified as an 03 MOS (fucking RIP) and I got hazed when I joined but after that it was smooth sailing. I saw the 0311's just hazing the absolute shit out of each other all the time though, and their guys were always complaining about how much life sucked in the corps as a result.
As a u.s. army veteran not a marine veteran I still get it bruh. I know. I know. God bless ya
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I joined in early 2010’s, I did my active enlistment and got out. I will say I did not mind getting treated like shit as I figured it would humble me. However, here came along a CWO new to our unit who single handily destroyed the moral of our whole platoon. I was known as a “good Marine” and yet I was getting my shit pushed in by this CWO?! I was a Corporal at the time and this CWO had it out for everyone even the staff what a clown 😂 point being is some leadership just need to leave you the hell alone and just let you do your own damn job in peace and quit looking for trouble.
bro amen, like how hard is it to just let grown men be grown men. They act like they're running a day care lol
If you’re smart, you will take note of everything Trell said in this video. He’s telling the truth.
I was always a well rounded Marine (good at my job, 300 PFT & CFT) but got out as a Sgt after 6 years.
Sgt was easily the worse rank I’ve experienced during my time in the MC. I was still treated like a child which ultimately lead to me get out. Most leaders don’t allow you to be a Sgt and develop your leadership skills because their too worried about that whole “big dick contest” thing.
I was often undermined by higher ranks and felt that they often did what they did because they felt threatened by me. There are very few genuinely good people that stay in. Most senior enlisted that stay in don’t care about anybody but themselves, their ego, and retiring after 20 years.
At my last unit, I had a disgruntled GySgt who sucked at his job, had a barely passing PFT/CFT score, and the worse attitude ever. That man found every opportunity to be condescending to anyone who was a lower rank then him. He looked down on others because he was in the MC longer and was a higher rank, but he was one of the biggest shit bags in our unit.
The fact that people like that could be able to stay in for 20 years demotivated me to stay in. The MC is just a game of whether or not you can take getting screwed over for 20 years for that retirement pension because as long as you don’t get in trouble, you will see E-6/E-7 and be able to retire after 20 years. It’s a countdown going on from the moment you step on those yellow footprints. Everyone in the fleet is either counting down their days until EAS or until retirement as if they’re in prison. The MC is toxic and no one really wants to be there.
Initially I had so much motivation. I joined because I came from a negative environment and wanted to be a part of the brotherhood. I’ve met some Marines I am very close with until this day but for the most part it is not at all a brotherhood.
I finished my contract 2 months ago and felt like I was released from prison. Most people that get out feel that way and that’s a red flag. I’m scheduled to complete my Bachelors degree in 4 months and will most likely be commissioning as an officer for a different branch.
It's sad how the Marine Corps can't realize this. They just lost a good Marine who's now going to be an Officer in another branch
@T J Sorry to hear that brother. It’s sad how much jealousy you’ll face in a “brotherhood” but it is what it is. Good on you for choosing to move on from that. It took me some time to forgive but I finally did.
Mark 11:25 “And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.
Some of the best officers I’ve worked under were prior enlisted and realize the problems. They take that experience and build up their troops. Good luck to you sir.
W video, W update
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Hello, I currently am a Junior in High School, and I am doing my research about the Marine Corps. I have family members who have enlisted, and all had very different experiences. I feel like the structure and the discipline is where I will fit in. Though seeing lots of videos talking about this issue of toxicity is worrying. Any advice for if I enlist?
Just stay true to yourself. Remember the reason you chose to join and hold on to it. Because when times get rough and they will, you'll have that to lean on to keep you pushing
Go to college and earn a degree. If you're still eager to serve in the USMC commision as a Officer and become involved with your enlisted Marines. Build a camaraderie with everyone under your charge. Connect with your Marines on a personal level while maintaining the professionalism. Show them you truly care about them and they will move mountains for you. - Active Duty Sgt MOS 7212
go to college first then decide. my best advice the corps will still be there.
The military is a good jump start in life as long as you play your cards right! Idk your financial situations and etc. but if wealth is not an issue go to college first. If wealth is an issue then I strongly recommend you join, just like I did, now I’m currently finishing up school!
@@Joe_SharkSkin I will guarantee there is an inverse relationship between military service and wealth. A friend of mine is a retired Army O-6 and he is poor compared to his peers in his specialty.
Happens in the army too, but yeah way worse in the marines.
That’s why i’m going to the guard. No more active duty. All my guard/reserve friends say it’s so chill in the guard and reserves
Honestly i got out to be a greenside corpsman, i just knew i had to get out💪🏽
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That’s why I gotten out only a year in I couldn’t take it no more
dang sorry to hear that
Wow superb job, the army does this somewhat not quite the same but anyway you did a fine job.....my worst deployment was the desert storm thing way way back in1991.....anyway good job😊
God help us if we cant depend on Marines...to you, Sir... Semper Fi, Marine, you are trying to warn others...71 yo Navy Veteran
Marine Corps 1969-1973 active & 1984-1987 reserve. After going active duty I was hazed a few times then I got tired of it. The following hazings ended in fist fights about half a dozen times including a couple of NCOs. Then I approached the main bullies and picked a fight with them. I didn’t win all the fights but I wasn’t going to take their shit. They started laughing and told me “Welcome to the Corps”. Never had a problem after. The only Marines I ever teased were some, not all of the reserves because they were dangerous. It wasn’t physical. I would send them out to look for a hundred feet of Shore Line ECT. Spent 6 months aboard a Navy LPD Amphibious Assault Ship in the Med. port side of the ship was Dodge City and the starboard side was Tombstone. We would fight the other side without serious injury’s for fun because there was nothing to do and we were bored out of our heads. Sometime the fights were friend against friend. There was never hard feeling just good times. I’ll never forget.
I wanna reenlist so I can become apart of the leadership that stops this abuse tbh. Marines are supposed to be the backbone of the country so if they need help... I don't think getting out is the right thing to do. We gotta go back in so we can stop the hazing. Collect rank, overpower the toxic leaders and become the better ones.
Any ideas of what the root of the problem is? If the military environment is not one which consistently reminds its members why they joined, what they’re fighting for not develops mental and physical readiness do you feel this means the current military is outdated or no longer relevant? The decision to spend government funds out sourcing to the private companies instead innovation and quality of life within the military looks like service members are just being abandoned. Is the DOD indirectly telling us not to join the service while attempting to save face in the public eye?
That’s a great point
17-22 and my experience in those five years was toxic hazed every morning in the air wing and got to the point I didn’t get anywhere during my military career literally the school house was the first and last time I was promoted I got out a terminal lance with a clean record no NJP
Once my hand tattoo is completely removed, looking to go 0311 then Recon. Afterwards transition to the Police Academy. Hopefully I can get into boot camp next year.
good luck
@@TrelltheGreat thank you sir
Dumb decision join the army
Same thing in the navy. Had a LT scold me for wearing 2 bracelets 1 religious and one gift from wife on my arm but he wasnt worried that half of our section couldnt even pass the rifle qual