Bassists hate when people say “just use a 9 string”. Guitarists hate when people say “just use a bass”. Glad we can finally unite together against these musically inept fools
@@jimmymcmillan8233 A lot of guitarists/non-bass fans say “what’s the point of a bass if you can just use a 9 string”? Idk why you think no one says that lmfao. Guess you don’t talk to many people
Its gonna blow your mind when you realize that the point is, not that one sounds better than the other, but that together, they sound better than either instrument alone. They sound good together because they’re different. Thats the point
Unfortunately the bass wouldn't sound good on a mixed track while the guitar would. It's a pretty common occurrence in studio recording that the mix sounds fantastic but the instruments on their own sound kinda... Mid
@@placeholder6811 brave of you to assume it would need guitar with something that crunchy tbh, idk I make music, beats, ect and I would love this tone on it's own nothing else it's got so much going on
You are exactly right. It isn't that different sounding if you don't really understand tone and presence, but it's like mid afternoon and late afternoon if you do.
The 9 string normally sounds flubby, but your tone is great. To get my 'Meshuggah' sound I do just use slap bass through effects made for the bass specifically. Guitar effects are not gonna get the best sounds out of a bass (though it did sound cool with your settings).
I mean, you're right, but chose one of the worst possible tones to try and make your point. The distortion makes them sound more similar than a clean tone would have.
And who uses 8 and nine string guitars on clean tones? Certainly not Andrew Baena, and certainly not many people. The list is a short one, I can say that.
They're meant to go together to create a good tone for the song. Bass and guitar should be thought of as one instrument in a metal mix. They fill out each other's weaknesses in the sonic spectrum and combine to create the "guitar tone" you hear in a mixed song.
@@Reeledmedal6519 It would be different, but i dont see how it would be any harder? Instead of sweep picking, you have 2 fingers that can "walk" up the strings
Big guitars and bass go together so well. You can cut the low end off of the guitar a bit for a more raspy sound, and have the bass playing the same octave to fill in the whole sonic range in a more fulfilling way
Not to mention that it's a lot easier to switch between playing virtuoso guitar solos and heavy chugging bass notes as one musician when you don't have to switch between instruments in the middle of the song.
@@fueledbypaintwater for small hands especially, a baritone is more suitable than an extended range instrument. Less strings you have to mute, less fretboard you have to reach around and the scale length shouldn't be too different as extended range guitars often are just as long to be able to get a defined sound with low notes
People were running basses through Marshall stacks before specialist bass amps were common But they sure as hell weren't using them the way Lemmy did 👍
Even if they were tuned to the same,there’s a thing called timbre that affects sound. Think of it as when you hear a voice they could say the same word, but they both sound different. That’s what timbre is. So the bass has a different timbre then the guitar
I mean, they do sound alike when put through those settings. "Nothing" is a stretch just to defend 8 and 9 string guitars. Let's be real. No, I'm not defending bassists with their argument. I used my ears. The tone changes a bit, sure.
@@crazylugpyro6126 don't get me wrong it would still sound shitty because the tone we're chasing here isn't very special to begin with, but bass as an intrument is just better desiged to play these low frequencies and that's definitely audible
i used to be more skeptical, then realized that the same people that object to guitar and basses sometimes occupying the same range would, had they been born back when orchestras were evolving and composers were adding stuff, probably have objected to bass trombone and tuba playing the same thing. and as a trombone player myself i absolutely LOVE the combination of the wider tuba sound and that cutting edge of the bass trombone on pedal notes
The correct answer is they sound different, but that has WAY more to do with distortion and tone/eq settings than one being a bass and the other being guitar. The feel and playability I'm sure is quite different also but anyone who's saying "the bass sounds worse" doesn't understand how amps (or probably VSTs in this case) work
I love how we all know 8-9 string guitars can just be replaced with a guitar with thicker strings but we still need those 4-5 extra because it looks SICK
The dingwall has active pickups already I believe and Andrew has a Pegasus pickup in the 8 string, there’s a noticeable difference between the two as the bass has more of a high end rattle. At least that what my ears pick up
To be honest, even though they don't sound "alike", they do sound similar enough that if you put one version instead of another, most listeners wouldn't notice that much of a difference. I bet it would sound SICK if you do the same on Double Bass!
Strings are quite different and the pick-ups are another world. But substituting the strings (if the scale and nut allows) will bring both quite close.
I feel like when 8 strings were gaining popularity in the 2010s that statement comment came up on a lot of artists who started using them and I have no idea how someone wouldn’t know that bass and guitar are entirely different
I could be wrong but my guess is the scale length is what would be affecting the differences in tone, would be cool to see a short scale bass possibly the same scale length of your guitar and test it. Good vid appreciate the open ended answer think more ppl need to realize that when it comes to music pretty much all of it is just preference not fact.
You just proved the point. There’s actually note definition and not just harsh gain. Guitar as an instrument is a lead and mid heavy instrument with some low end potential. If you’re just doing it for the chugs bass is much more fun!
Agreed. But you can definitely make a bass sound like a guitar or vice versa. Most people don't have the desire to actually look at the build of each component to see WHY they sound different. From the pickups being wired completely differently to the various types of resistance in the potentiometers or the capacitance of the capacitors and how everything is wired, there's a LOT that makes instruments sound different. But the other side of that coin is that, with the right equipment and settings (and editing software, effects, etc etc) you can get just about any sound you want. It's a matter of spending the time to learn the ins and outs of everything
You also would rarely use a tone like that for bass. Usually you would dial in less distortion, and cleaner and clearer lowend. That makes the bass sound very different.
I am a firm believer that you can write incredible music with just a bass, and I personally prefer the sound of the bass, but they absolutely hold their own unique flavor that is hard to mistake for one another
They sound totally different, but i have to share my preference As a bass player, it sounds so much chunkier through bass, though adding in a lot more bass on the amp would be cool af
I’m a bassist that loves 8 and 9 string guitars. It’s just the ones who don’t like playing djent that are like this. Tried an 8 string and it was like a new experience for me. No hate towards any extended range instruments
This is the most Chad response to a comment like that I've ever seen. Address the question, explain it, demonstrate it, and rather than ending it with a strong argument for your side, you ended it with an indisputable "I understand if you like it better, it's a matter of personal opinion"
I’m all for extended range . But as the neck gets thicker, tone sounds more and more “hollow” is how I’d describe it. There’s a comparison video between 8’s, 7’s, and six string baritone. Same tuning, same tone, baritone 6 string sounded heavier.
If I had to voice my opinion I would say that the gutair sounds better due to the only reason that the bass seems to rattle excessively when picking the strings.
what are your thoughts on baritone guitars? I think ultimately, like the bass or 7,8,9 strings... they are there own thing. But Rabbea Massad really developed his own thing with Bari but as you said ... strings, pickups, scale length ... so each instrumen is a starting point rather than an end in and off itself
I fucking love when guitarists record a song entirely on bass. Bass tones get so fucking PHAT
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Royal blood is an incredible example of this. I didn’t even know they used a bass instead of guitar for the longest time of listening to them lmao
nice pfp AND opinions
Bassists hate when people say “just use a 9 string”. Guitarists hate when people say “just use a bass”. Glad we can finally unite together against these musically inept fools
i say use both
@@tusharjamwal double neck 14 string
No one tells bassists to use a 9 string
@@jimmymcmillan8233 A lot of guitarists/non-bass fans say “what’s the point of a bass if you can just use a 9 string”? Idk why you think no one says that lmfao. Guess you don’t talk to many people
@@bolson42 the logic of "if i don't see it, it doesn't exist"
That bass tone really emphasized the "Just use a bass" 😂
Its gonna blow your mind when you realize that the point is, not that one sounds better than the other, but that together, they sound better than either instrument alone.
They sound good together because they’re different. Thats the point
@@andrepalomaro353he was making a joke, nobody asked you to explain it
@@johnnycash5336 don’t care
@@johnnycash5336you’re trying to frame him as an asshole when you’re the one acting like a dickhead, congratulations
Dude RIP and TEAR sounded insane on the bass… so much snarl
I LNOW THIS IS AN OLD ASS POST BUT I JUST SAW IT AJD I WAS LOOKING FOR A COMMENT ABOUT IT BEING RIP AND TEAR
its not rip and tear, its at dooms gate
@@thatotherguy4728 its not tho, its (new) E1M1
@@hacjythank you hero
Honestly as a bassist that bass tone sounds fucking sick
As a guitarist, that bass sounded cooler a bit...
I’m going to start dropping “JUST USE AN 8-STRING GUITAR” in bass CZcamsrs’ comment sections
no
I feel bad for Davie now. He isnt prepared.
LOL
@@kurtcobainii1075 he'll destroy y'all
Davie504 would holy slap you
"Is all personal preference"
Davie504: "And I took that personally"
Dang, that riff sounds so good on bass
You're right, the bass sounds better imo
Faxxx, and dem slaps sound crazy with distortion
Unfortunately the bass wouldn't sound good on a mixed track while the guitar would. It's a pretty common occurrence in studio recording that the mix sounds fantastic but the instruments on their own sound kinda... Mid
@@placeholder6811 brave of you to assume it would need guitar with something that crunchy tbh, idk I make music, beats, ect and I would love this tone on it's own nothing else it's got so much going on
It sounds tinny to me
@@mike3963 That can be edited in post.
I agree with you. that bass sounds amazing btw!
Dude, this. Bass tone on is here siiiiick.
@@kmfnj wouldnt work in a mix though
@@natedavid3873 only if you don’t do a good job. You can get it to work.
@@13_cmi would be a hassle tho
Well the 8 string sounds like a constipated walrus.
You are exactly right. It isn't that different sounding if you don't really understand tone and presence, but it's like mid afternoon and late afternoon if you do.
Very good way of saying it isn't night and day
They sound pretty similar to me. The bass just had more punch and bite to it.
The Ryo pfp definitely checks out
The 9 string normally sounds flubby, but your tone is great. To get my 'Meshuggah' sound I do just use slap bass through effects made for the bass specifically. Guitar effects are not gonna get the best sounds out of a bass (though it did sound cool with your settings).
no it doesn't
@@tfwnoyandere you don't understand the concept of preference huh
@@athmaid i understand it i just choose to ignore it because mine is more valid
@@tfwnoyandere you sound annoying af not gonna lie
I mean, you're right, but chose one of the worst possible tones to try and make your point. The distortion makes them sound more similar than a clean tone would have.
Exactly what I was thinking. They do sound pretty similar in this clip.
And that He used a guitar amp+ effects didnt Help the audio quality.
And who uses 8 and nine string guitars on clean tones? Certainly not Andrew Baena, and certainly not many people. The list is a short one, I can say that.
@@MetalMan1245 nice Argument forbjust getting a Bass.
@@MetalMan1245 Tosin Abasi and Javier Reyes would like to have a word with you.,
That bass sounds PHAT. I love it!
Dingwall basses have such tasty tones 🤤
Latina phat ass
I don’t think I will ever get tired of that doom soundtrack.
The perfect counter to "just use a bass" imo is "no"
The bass part actually sounded cooler imo.
They're meant to go together to create a good tone for the song. Bass and guitar should be thought of as one instrument in a metal mix. They fill out each other's weaknesses in the sonic spectrum and combine to create the "guitar tone" you hear in a mixed song.
Conclution: "Just use a bass"
@Bubb the bass sounds better, is cheaper, easier to play(string spacing), less strings to break
@bubb3926 It's not about preference, a mix needs BOTH bro.
@@arrestedshrimpi think you are missunderstanding something
@@devlintaylor9520 yeah if all you want is bass, lemme know how easy solos are on a bass compared to guitar lol
@@Reeledmedal6519 It would be different, but i dont see how it would be any harder? Instead of sweep picking, you have 2 fingers that can "walk" up the strings
the bass still sounds good as hell
Exactly. Just recently got a 9 string back in 2020 and I get asked all the time why I don't just use a bass. Now I can show anyone who asks me this 😃
If you're using the high B and E strings often then that's reason enough.
@@5usp3c7 my guy did you watch the video?
@@CyclesAreSingularities it's not a very long video. Of course I watched it.
You’re right, bass just sounds better
@@unfunnydave5485 distorted or raw?
Don't worry bro six string bass haters say the same thing to bassists. "WhY dOnT yOu PlAy A gUiTar"
Little girl in taco commerical: why don't we have both?
I’m ngl I love when metal bands let the bass cut through the mix more, not a lot of people do it but it sounds so fucking chonky it’s great
underrated track from doom 2016 :))) wish it was longer
It's not underrated lmao, and he has a bunch of Doom '16 and Eternal covers on his channel
Him: they dont sound alike
Me: USE AN EQ AND THEY WILL
Exactly what I was thinking. You can make a bass sound like a guitar and a guitar sound like a bass if you use the right pedals/plugins.
@@bentrod3405 exactly!!!!
Finally people that get audio
@@bentrod3405 but why would you do that when you can just use a guitar?
@@ashleywootton9556 why use a guitar when you can just use a bass
Big guitars and bass go together so well. You can cut the low end off of the guitar a bit for a more raspy sound, and have the bass playing the same octave to fill in the whole sonic range in a more fulfilling way
Not to mention that it's a lot easier to switch between playing virtuoso guitar solos and heavy chugging bass notes as one musician when you don't have to switch between instruments in the middle of the song.
I wonder why I hardly see a baritone guitar being used. They're so cool.
Ikr, once I get decent at guitar, I want to try my hand at a bari. Only problem may be my tiny hands lol.
@@fueledbypaintwater for small hands especially, a baritone is more suitable than an extended range instrument. Less strings you have to mute, less fretboard you have to reach around and the scale length shouldn't be too different as extended range guitars often are just as long to be able to get a defined sound with low notes
They have gotten quite popular because of Loathe actually. Rabea Massaad also uses them all the time
Lol he's using a baritone in literally the next short
Many 8 strings are baritone scale.
What I don't understand is why have high strings when they get used so rarely.
melodic riffs use the higher strings
Lemmy taught all of us that a bass can be run through a marshall stack and sound like a lead instrument. Talk about being ahead of your time.
People were running basses through Marshall stacks before specialist bass amps were common
But they sure as hell weren't using them the way Lemmy did 👍
Bass has so much fizz with that riff, idk how you'd even mix it
There’s definitely a difference but idk how you can call that “nothing alike” lol
Yeah I agree like they’re very similar the dudes just mad I think lmao
They're very similar. 30+ years of strings here.
All in someone else’s ears. Yes the same notes and such but different gauges in string and pickups, give many differences.
@@crayondude8014 right lol
but what about all the guitar techniques that are most suited to guitar like harmonics?
Wait you’re both right though, they definitely sound different, but I’d take that bass line anyday
I like how he used a Mick Gordon type of riff to show the difference. Love it
He didnt use a Type of Riff. He used micks Riffs.
Even if they were tuned to the same,there’s a thing called timbre that affects sound. Think of it as when you hear a voice they could say the same word, but they both sound different. That’s what timbre is. So the bass has a different timbre then the guitar
I’m still mindblown how a mediocre player can have your following or afford the insane instruments you own.
Jealous much!
Sounds like a cope to me
Damn the bass sounds a million times better 🤯
Right, I learned by ear in the days of no internet. Nd that skill just sharpened the more I did it. It's normal to me buy not to others. Rock on!
The bass sounded pretty good. I've always wondered what a super deep guitar would sound like if you tried to play it like a bass though.
I mean, they do sound alike when put through those settings. "Nothing" is a stretch just to defend 8 and 9 string guitars. Let's be real.
No, I'm not defending bassists with their argument. I used my ears. The tone changes a bit, sure.
Yeah the chisen note wasn't the best tbh. In this clip you can hear a bit of a difference but after all it sounds pretty similar
That bass sound just wouldnt work in a mix its too hissy and muddy unlike the guitar which has focused and tighter mids
If you would run it through a bass amp with bass effects you'd get a better sound out of it though...
@@lukaskuipers7791 agreed
@@lukaskuipers7791 Well, not much better. Bass with some metal-like distortion would sound muddy still. Wouldn't be much clearer.
@@crazylugpyro6126 don't get me wrong it would still sound shitty because the tone we're chasing here isn't very special to begin with, but bass as an intrument is just better desiged to play these low frequencies and that's definitely audible
i used to be more skeptical, then realized that the same people that object to guitar and basses sometimes occupying the same range would, had they been born back when orchestras were evolving and composers were adding stuff, probably have objected to bass trombone and tuba playing the same thing. and as a trombone player myself i absolutely LOVE the combination of the wider tuba sound and that cutting edge of the bass trombone on pedal notes
It’s hard for me to explain the difference but I definitely hear it
The correct answer is they sound different, but that has WAY more to do with distortion and tone/eq settings than one being a bass and the other being guitar. The feel and playability I'm sure is quite different also but anyone who's saying "the bass sounds worse" doesn't understand how amps (or probably VSTs in this case) work
I've always wondered how bass works for really low tunings. Is it still an octave down?
Up to you, you can do it either way
@@BaenaCarcosa coo
octave down always sounds better otherwise just have bassy guitar tone and bassy kick drum tone like disfiguring the goddess
If you go below Drop D# - would be better to tune to same octave
The bottom strings on a 7-9 string sound amazing, but they’re not a bass. That simple. Bass is a very different tone and timbre
That dingwall has so much growl to it. Love it!
His face at the end when he's thinking "$hit it does sound pretty similar " lol
I love how we all know 8-9 string guitars can just be replaced with a guitar with thicker strings but we still need those 4-5 extra because it looks SICK
Goodluck finding a 6 string guitar with the scale length of an 8/9 string.
I like the bass's tone, it sounds cleaner
I'm just a vocalist but I believe the bass and drums are the souls of a song
The bass is like reallyy sharper ppl in the comments are dumb lmao
they sound really similar…just put EMG humbuckers in the bass and you’re good to go.
The dingwall has active pickups already I believe and Andrew has a Pegasus pickup in the 8 string, there’s a noticeable difference between the two as the bass has more of a high end rattle. At least that what my ears pick up
@Benjamin Nixon what your hearing in that bass is the darkglass tone capsule
Mike Ockhertz yeah I had a feeling it was that, every modern metal bass tone basically has that nowadays, not that it’s a bad thing!
I like both tbh. But the 9-String is way "cleaner" and therefore more pleasing.
I love them both man! That being said that bass tone is mighty sexy
A bass is a octave lower. Even with a 8 or 9 string guitar. Still a octave lower. If the bassist has a 5 plus string of course.
it is not always the case, especially for 9 string. C#0 is one semitone above human hearing limit, lol
It's better on bass because bass is what makes the original song sound so good because that riff is mainly bass.
To be honest, even though they don't sound "alike", they do sound similar enough that if you put one version instead of another, most listeners wouldn't notice that much of a difference.
I bet it would sound SICK if you do the same on Double Bass!
Dude, great tones from both! I know as a guitar player that there's difference but you got that bass to DIG!!!!
As someone who isn't very musicly inclined they do sound somewhat similar but also have a distinct difference
I appreciate a 7 string guitar with clean chords, for like...heavy jazz or funk. the amount of bass from a low B is a sweet spot for me.
Strings are quite different and the pick-ups are another world. But substituting the strings (if the scale and nut allows) will bring both quite close.
Yea, most people that don't play don't understand. Love you address this in a nice way instead of going crazy. Love the vids
I love how that doom riff sounds on the bass. So fucking aggressive
Guitarist: hey guys look, i just bought 8 string guitar
Bassist, keyboardist, second guitarist leave the party*
I feel like when 8 strings were gaining popularity in the 2010s that statement comment came up on a lot of artists who started using them and I have no idea how someone wouldn’t know that bass and guitar are entirely different
I could be wrong but my guess is the scale length is what would be affecting the differences in tone, would be cool to see a short scale bass possibly the same scale length of your guitar and test it. Good vid appreciate the open ended answer think more ppl need to realize that when it comes to music pretty much all of it is just preference not fact.
You just proved the point. There’s actually note definition and not just harsh gain.
Guitar as an instrument is a lead and mid heavy instrument with some low end potential. If you’re just doing it for the chugs bass is much more fun!
Agreed. But you can definitely make a bass sound like a guitar or vice versa. Most people don't have the desire to actually look at the build of each component to see WHY they sound different. From the pickups being wired completely differently to the various types of resistance in the potentiometers or the capacitance of the capacitors and how everything is wired, there's a LOT that makes instruments sound different. But the other side of that coin is that, with the right equipment and settings (and editing software, effects, etc etc) you can get just about any sound you want. It's a matter of spending the time to learn the ins and outs of everything
You also would rarely use a tone like that for bass. Usually you would dial in less distortion, and cleaner and clearer lowend. That makes the bass sound very different.
I am a firm believer that you can write incredible music with just a bass, and I personally prefer the sound of the bass, but they absolutely hold their own unique flavor that is hard to mistake for one another
This just convinced me to start a death metal/deathcore spiritual succesor to motorhead
They sound totally different, but i have to share my preference
As a bass player, it sounds so much chunkier through bass, though adding in a lot more bass on the amp would be cool af
The "buh dah buh dow buh dam buh dah danow" sounds sick on the lowdiddler, dudes.
Damn, I was about to run thinking the Doom song was about to kick in
in all fairness you guys would probably love a piccolo bass. they're really fuckin cool.
I’m a bassist that loves 8 and 9 string guitars. It’s just the ones who don’t like playing djent that are like this. Tried an 8 string and it was like a new experience for me. No hate towards any extended range instruments
I like the bass sound better lol xD but I still want an 8 string.
It still depends on the mix and the mix down to "recognize" the bass in a song and to hear clearly the differences
Killer Bass 🔊 love it.
Holy shit okay, the bass one sounds so fucking good tho.
The sound of the bass though be fucking cool... Both have a feel of Doom music in it
Exactly. Less mid on the guitar can add to a girthier to e, more thick than a bass. Better for chords and what not
Exactly! Let us bassists not sound like a guitar. The string gauge and scale length are completely different
Both sound amazing
Exactly the bass sounds so much better!
This is the most Chad response to a comment like that I've ever seen. Address the question, explain it, demonstrate it, and rather than ending it with a strong argument for your side, you ended it with an indisputable "I understand if you like it better, it's a matter of personal opinion"
Both sound fucking dope
The bass sounds better, it would be interesting to see a band tuned that low without a guitarist and just bass
That torn out bass tone sounds just like the “breakdown” bit in Demiurge by meshuggah🔥🔥🔥
I’m all for extended range . But as the neck gets thicker, tone sounds more and more “hollow” is how I’d describe it. There’s a comparison video between 8’s, 7’s, and six string baritone. Same tuning, same tone, baritone 6 string sounded heavier.
If I had to voice my opinion I would say that the gutair sounds better due to the only reason that the bass seems to rattle excessively when picking the strings.
Use both to fill out the mix and get the heaviest of sounds 🔥
That bass tone is impeccable
That bass tone could fit perfectly in a Doom Eternal song.
what are your thoughts on baritone guitars?
I think ultimately, like the bass or 7,8,9 strings... they are there own thing. But Rabbea Massad really developed his own thing with Bari
but as you said ... strings, pickups, scale length ... so each instrumen is a starting point rather than an end in and off itself
They don’t sound identical, but they do sound pretty similar lol. When you’re that low in octaves, they’ll sound pretty similar.
Lol I was expecting Mick's Doom riff!
That's some sic tone coming outta that dingwall