THE FG KNOT SUCKS!!! - Learn to tie the best braid to leader knot in the business
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2020
- Here is a little insight into a knot I was taught when the FG was first becoming popular, its so good I've almost forgotten how to tie and FG after using this exclusively for a number of years now. It's basically a hand tied PR bobbin knot which doesn't require any tools and once you've worked it out you probably won't bother with the FG ever again.
I've used this knot for years now without any issues, it's super easy to tie, neat, small, as strong as an FG and easier to tie in all situations. Just be sure to tension it in the correct sequence and it'll last until you have no leader left. I've tied this a few times in this clip to show different breaking strains and explained in depth how to get your head around it, works well from Pe 0.6 to Pe 10 regardless of leader size and breaking strain - go and give it a crack!
Huge Shoutout to Nick at Mutiny Gaming for the Logo Design also Andy at AMCK Creative for the gangsta intro!!!! CHEERS LEG ENDS
Anyway, if you got questions hit me up, I'm happy to help!!
Peace :)
Hey Mick I have been tying the same knot for years using the Shout Bobbin Knotter , it was developed by the Japanese guys who were jigging for big dogtooth tuna and it is the best line to leader knot I have ever used . You are the first bloke I have ever seen tying it by hand , that's next level mate and I am definitely going to practice this without using the tool . I have never had this knot fail between line and leader, even if I am snagged up and have to bust off it will break down at the lure end and never at the line leader connection. Thanks for sharing this one mate. 👍
Legend? No more fiddly FG's for me! Such a satisfying knot to tie as well. Cheers Mickos love the channel 👍
Thanks mate!! Happy to help 😎🍻
Always good to hear from a top notch fisherman
like you.
Will tie the "no name knot"(braid to mono/flo) out of
necessity while on the water. But will use wind-on
leaders exclusively pre-trip rigging.
Have got a bag full of wind-on leaders, built myself,
from 20lb up to 200lb. This method provides for
the smoothest travel of your line through your guides
possible. When you build your wind-on's yourself
they're dirt cheap after initial investment of materials.
You can easily switch out leaders on the water by
undoing the loop to loop connections.
Believe fishing with you would be a very worthwhile
effort for anyone. Thanks for your videos.
Best to you always,
TIGHT LINES !!!
Thanks mate, I did dabble with wind on leaders back 8 or 10 years ago but after finding this knot I haven’t really needed anything else… appreciate your comment though mate, cheers!!
👍excellente mate! Just tied a few already. Like the result. No fuss and easy to do. Thanks 🤘🏻
No problem mate, enjoy 🙌🏻
Good looking knot! I struggle with the FG (just not an option for me on a moving boat) so this one looks the business. Thanks, Mick!! 👍
Yeah it’s good cos you don’t need to keep it tensioned as it ties and it pulls down easily regardless. Master it and thank me later ✌🏻
Thats a new one on me, i will give it a go 🤙🏻Cheers🍻
Hand tied PR it’s been tried and tested 👌🏻
Just gave this knot a try. 50lb braid too 70lb leader. First attempt got everything right but went the wrong way on the rizzuto finish. Second attempt.. nailed it! Mushroom & all! Haha. The big test will be next time I hit Lake Monduran. Thanks again for the tips.
Cheers 🍻
All good man, goes real well on all your barra and offshore gear 💪🏻
Yeah sweet man good to know.. I just went through and changed up all my Barra gear. Offshore gear next. I literally just finished another knot when I received this notification 👍
Mick great knot took a bit to get my head around but have mastered it
Nice, with practice it becomes fast and easy!
Just found your channel and subscribed, great advice and uploads, thanks for sharing 🇬🇧
So sick mick. Can't wait to get it down
Ya get it?
Will definitely be trying this knot out👌
Give it a crack mate, I been using it for years!
PR knot without the bobbin (hand tied) it’s a good knot. It’s still however 2 x layers of braid over your leader, opposed to the FG where’s it’s only 1. And you can’t beat 1 x layer of braid when cast through micro guides, hours on end
Never had one of these come loose unlike the FG and if you really think about it the FG also has a good portion of 2 layers which crossover many times. This is a far superior knot in all aspects, but each to their own!
@@Micksgonefishing definitely each to their own and this becomes the PR vs the FG debate. I have had your exact issues with the PR so it lead me to the FG.
Finish the FG knot with 4 half hitches and then a 4-5 loop uni knot and it will NEVER come loose and it’s still nice and thin
Definitely going to try this one just want to see how it works without the 4 half hitches !!!! @@fazerfzx
@@Micksgonefishingtotally agree, I tied the FG for years and had a few pop randomly at bad times
Cheers mate.
Super neat knot, I think you just converted me.
As long as you get the tensioning right it’ll never fail you!
Interesting !!! cheers brother will try it out ,
Thank you Mike. It is a great nut. Much easier and stronger than regular FG nut. THANK YOU. From now on I will use it all the time thanks to you.
No problem! Enjoy fishing ✌🏻
omg dude this knot is the best thanks 🙏
No problem 👌🏻
Cheers Mick will give it try on our NT Barras
Yeah it’ll be good 👌🏻
Killer knot mate, have check it out in real time lol
AWESOME" Will give er a try w p8 to 80lb for Tiger Musky here in Idaho! Cheers Mate!
Hi mate,
what an awesome knot and how simple is it to tie.
Thanks, heaps for sharing.
Also well done on your channel, you certainly get your share of some epic fish that"s for sure.
Regards
Dave.
Thanks Dave!! Yeah it’s a nice easy and neat knot!! Worth spending the time to master 👌🏻
thanks for sharing this knot and showing us how its done, much Appreciated, toke me about 3 goes but I think I got it !? Cheers
Glad I could help mate, just get the wraps and tensioning perfected and it’s simple and fast!
Tried this - 20lb fc rock - 10lb braid. Tied a nice neat knot but leader just slips through everytime... Might try sticks to get the knot tighter
I've gone away from melting the end of the leader and just squashing it with the cutter on my pliers now. Don't have to worry about the breeze or burning the braid.
Yeah I just like the slight mushroom effect to help it come back through the guides..
Great tutorial on the knot. as much as I think the end product is still the FG knot, its a different way of doing it. I learnt the other way using the old chompers to bite down on the braid tag, this way saves using your teeth to hold that tag. I find it gets dangerous on the hands when I'm doing 15lb braid to 10lb or 6lb leader. Cuts into my hands. Worse if hands are wet from cast net.
End product is a hand tied PR Bobbin Knot 👌🏻
me gusto ese nudo,nunca lo he hecho asi, que equipo usas? GRACIAS
it's amazing knot , thanks bro , I forget the fg
Mate that’s awesome. I’m gonna give em a go ;)
How’d ya go?
From looking at the knot it’s very very similar to a fg as you wind down then wind back on its self is essentially the fg same thing I guess just tied different I stick with fg only cos I got it down pat and tie it without looking now but love watching knot vids keep up the work
It’s basically a hand tied PR knot, which is a friction knot, the same as FG, but much neater, smaller and easier to tie once you get to know it. If the FG knot is easier for you and your confident in it then there is no need to fix it 👌🏻 maybe try this a few times and get your head around it, like the FG you might not get it right the first time but when you do you’ll probably prefer it once you’ve tried it 🍻
@@Micksgonefishing legend mate well i have done it after watching your vid took me a few attempts but i can say i can do it now just takes me a while to do it but i do like how neat it is i guess its gonna be my new go to know just need to get it down pat
Cheers big fella. Finally managed to get it right. That risotto finish always had me stumped.
It’s worth putting in the time to learn that’s for sure!!
Great knot, very well made tutorial. Only thing that makes me wonder is, is it really less complicated than the FG? Or do you think it holds up better against a strong pull?
Definitely easier (faster when I’m not explaining it and no need to maintain tension throughout the process) and just as strong as the FG. Also smaller and a lot neater when tied correctly!
gonna give this knot a try on pe0.3 with 4lb leader soon.
Can be done just drop the amazing of wraps to 10 up and 20-25 back down with an 8turn rizzutto 👌🏻
Love that knot Tarpon look out
Get em 💪🏻
by the time you've tied that I could have tied a bimini to Cairns quickie and landed another fish!!!! ha ha
Another faster/stronger alternative is the SC knot (tied by wrapping toward mainline not toward loop!).
guess it all depends on what's working for you!
good video though, cheers
Haha thanks bro!
Great knot tying skills Mick and easy to understand how you do it your hands are leather
Brilliant knot/ and works great on bigger diameter lines.
But would love to see ya demonstrate it on light finesse lines like 6lb... I've seen lots of braid to leader knots demonstrated on CZcams that work great when your using whipper snipper cord as your main line, but they don't translate well when you go down to sub 10lb.
I found the double uni/and FG are the only ones that seem to work on the sub 15lb range of lines.
I’ve done it on Pe.06 - 12lb fluro but for anything pe1.5 and under I use a slim beauty. You can use this knot but it’s a bit fiddly..
Never been a huge fan of the FG & I’ve tried at least 4 different variants. I always seem to keep going back to the slim beauty. I’ll definitely be giving this knot a good crack though. Looks Awsome & I love the fact that it doesn’t require tension. Thanks for sharing 😎🤙
Hi mick, been trying Ur hand tied pr knot and love the results, have got a bobbin but it's not as neat as Ur method so lm convinced hand tied way neater and cast a dream.
My only qst is lately I've been having a hit and miss effect with knot wanting to slip on leader when final pull test given and lm not sure why? Same method used previously, same line braid and leader etc so lm baffled why now? Any thoughts and help would be much appreciated 🙏 🙂. Cheers mate.
Thanks mate, from what I read the problem is in the tensioning process at the end you want the braid to bind in and change color. When you’re pulling all 4 tight you should see the back of the knot tighten. Then when you pull down the braid tag against your leader main and braid tag you’ll see the front of the knot bite in.. you need it tightened both ends which is easy you just gotta pay attention to it biting in.. my leader material I use is quite soft and supple so it bites easy but if you’re using a hard leader material you’ll need to tension harder..
Thanks for replying mate. I use fc rock 40lb fluorocarbon leader and sufix 30lb braid. I really hang off the knots as you describe and all appears to dig in and change colour looks neat and secure. Even pulled tag rasuto end so hard ive broken tag several times . But once I put some some pressure on leader and braid ends only to test knot it starts to slip and eventually pulls free.
I tested doing a 15 turn fg knot with no hitches at end but instead using Ur 12 turn rasuto finish end knot and it holds real strong and never slips. In saying that , I much rather Ur PR knot because it's so slim, neat , strong and passes through guides like a dream, so really want to get it sorted.
That's a great knot Mick, what's the lightest you have tied this on?
I’ve tied it on Pe 0.6 to 20lb leader no problem, it’s a bit fiddly but goes good!
@@Micksgonefishing awesome mate, I'll definitely be giving it a go 👍🏼
Great video, don't you think despite the method the finished product IS a rizzuto finish FG knot? I tie 'my' version of the FG and the end result is much the same.
Nah nothing FG about it, it’s more like a hand tied PR (without bobbin). Smaller, neater and easier to tie than an FG 👌🏻
@@Micksgonefishing Interesting, I just tied it using my 'FG' method of wrapping for 22 turns with the 12 turn Rizzuto and its identical, all an FG is to me is a Chinese finger trap of criss/cross braid on leader for as many turns as you like. What do you consider an FG?
Nice
Great knot Mick. I've nailed it on my heavier gear but can't get the knot to bite into the leader properly on my lighter sooty gear. I've been trying with 12lb nomad panderra braid to 14lb and 16lb fc leader. Could you share any advice mate? Maybe cos it's fluorocarbon? Cheers
It can be tied in fluro but it needs to be tensioned properly and when I tie it in light line the knot is a lot smaller, like 8-10mm long which helps tensioning it properly.. it can be fiddly so if I’m on the water and the fish are on I generally just tie a slim beauty…
@@Micksgonefishing thanks heaps mate I just tried it again with 14lb fc, tensioned it better, and only did 10 wraps and it worked sweet. Before I was trying to be deadly and do heaps of wraps but I don't think the braid bit into the leader properly. Thanks for the advice mate I appreciate your knowledge 👍🏻🎣
Knot comp next time you in 😉👍🏼 looks good though!
I’m down
legend
How’d ya go did you get it going good.?
Nice neat knot but don't know about it being better than an FG...there's quicker ways to do an FG.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
I can tie this as easily as an Albright but I’ve been doing it for years, all comes with practice, the best part is it’s easy to tension and doesn’t need tension to tie correctly.
Not sure if it’s becusse I’m trying to use 30lb braid to 40lb leader lighter then what u showing but I do it exact same as the video but it keeps slipping on the leader off and not hooking in
You need to pull all 4 tight against each other, in one hand you’ll have the braid tag and main leader and the other the leader tag and braid main. Pull them against each other really firm and you’ll see the color change as the braid bites into the leader. After that pull the braid tag down to finish the rizutto and then test the connection with the two mains, if it’s still slips it’s because you didn’t pull the 4 together tight enough on the first tension with all 4 lines. You’ll get a feel for when it bites in, if you’re using a super hard fluorocarbon leader like FC100 use Pe sticks to pull it down as these will save you cutting your hands badly. I’ve used this knot with 6lb braid to 10lb fluro leader with no issues so 30-40 should be a breeze!
Let me know if you have any issues cos it really is worth learning!
@@Micksgonefishing cheers bro, yeah it was probably because the type of fg knot I was use to u don’t rlly need to pull all 4 lines so I wasn’t pulling them hard enough I’ll give it a go in the morning, I’m sure I’ll get it thanks heaps
Does this know cast through guides well Mick?
Thanks
Yeah mate, it’s smaller and nearer than an FG. I run pe2.5 to 90lb leader through 4mm guides easily enough! Just very lightly burn the leader tag to take off the sharp edges when winding it back through. Generally I’ll start with a 7-8ft leader so it goes right down to the line guide when casting..
@@Micksgonefishing
Thanks for your insite.
Loving your content
Can you just finnish the knot with 3 half hitches with braid tag end
You probably could but personally I think half hitches are the worst knot you can tie in a fishing rig, I much prefer the rizzutto finish!
I tried to this 20 times on 20 braid to 50 leader and every time it slips is it because its to light
Not tensioning it right, I do it on 10 main -20lb leader no problem..
The FG knot does suck if you don't tie it right 😂. But I do like your PR knot.
All knots can suck if you don’t tie them right! I like the ease of tying this compared to an FG and it’s smaller, and neater…
GREAT VID MICK, THANKS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,🦈. PETER MORSE ALSO DOES A GREAT DEMONSTRATION OF UTILISING FRAPPING LINES/ ROPES (SAILERS TECHNIQUE) FLY LIE TO BACKING CONNECTION COMPLETE WITH RIZZUTO FINISH ON HIS "ARBOUR TO FLY" DVD GREAT TO LEARN ALSO. IF YOU DESIRE.
I will check it out
12lb braid to 20lb leader would you use same knot.
Yep, I have and usually do use this knot but if I’m in a hurry I’ll tie a slim beauty in the lighter stuff..
@@Micksgonefishing I will give the slim beauty a go also. Thanks for advice keep up the great videos
Tried it but everytime im sinching the knot it keeps only slipping.😓
Im guessing that’s because either you’re not tensioning it in the correct order, or you’re using a hard leader material like FC. Either way it’s an easy fix.
@@Micksgonefishingtried many times it keeps slipping.. maybe may fluorocarbon is way to stiff? Im using kastking kovert fluoro btw.
This is PR knot without the tool?
Sure is
Hand tied PR knot
Sure is 👌🏻
My friend Tyler wrote down
Ummm that's a PR knot just tied without the PR bobbin.. PR bobbin just makes it faster and neater but it is exactly the same.
Have seen it tied using a 3/4oz lead weight instead of the bobbin to spin the braid around the leader.
Yeah that’s it, I did mention it’s a PR Bobbin knot without the bobbin! Works a treat!
Do you back your spools or are you running braid straight off the spool?
Straight off the spool with a wrap of electrical tape so it doesn’t slip
Onya custard
Haha cheers 🍻
Hey dad
Hey whats your name 😂
great knot if you suck at tying FG but FG is way much better
I can tie an FG pretty nicely but it’s nowhere near as compact or neat as this…
@@Micksgonefishing i will try it in my light setup I have got those narrow annoying guides .
Thanks man this knot pisses all over the fg
I dont have wnough money to spend half a meter of braid everytime i tie a knot. Ut it does look sick
You named your video "FG Knot Sucks", then..., you teatch a FG Knot or something near. Strange Things we see in you tube. Jesus!!!
Haha it’s very different to an FG knot, it’s actually a hand tied PR knot… but yeah, strange comments you get on CZcams aye 😅😂
😂😂😂
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