Missing 411 | The Feral People Theory | Into Thin Air
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- From folklore to conspiracy theory, feral people have appeared in stories across the continent, and even across the sea. Some believe the idea is nonsensical, while some believe it's the cause of the Missing 411 phenomenon. So how plausible is it? How do media portrayals affect our beliefs regarding the topic? Most importantly, could it be true? What would drive a few people, let alone an entire tribe, to abandon society and go feral? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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0:00 - Intro
1:50 - Morgan & Morgan
2:35 - Feral People Overview
4:04 - Ferals in Media
13:33 Ferals in Folklore
25:43 - Wildmen in Britain
33:29 - Sawney Bean
40:25 - Cannibalism in the Donner Party
42:52 - Conclusion & Outro - Zábava
As for feral people who are crazy cannibal who eat other people who cross their path, in America we call them Politicians.
Careful bro, you'll end up suspiciously ending your own life...
will ferrell?
@@somedegreeofsundown2338 I had spelled Feral incorrectly. I did edit it and now it is spelled the right way.
Roast
And political commentators
I like how the British cryptids are called like Diddly Doo and the American ones are like "Murder the Death Raper"
this is a fantastic observation thank you
..😐
It's cause in Britain a murderer gets caught faster than a diddly doo.
@@mikewlazlinski4309 when they can drag themselves away from harassing people,who write "controversial" things on Twitter, Facebook etc
Hahahahahahaha
"Saskettes" always makes me think they're Bigfoot's backup singers.
Squatch and the Saskettes
😂😂😂😂
@TheRealRusDaddy catch our next live performance 150 miles from civilization, soon.
My mom once asked my paternal great-grandfather , "Acil, were you ever lost in the forest?'' Acil, old countryman that he was, paused a minute and replied "No, I can't say I was. But I was bewildered a time or two.'' An around the barn way of saying: it is easy to get disoriented, and even very experienced outdoors people can get lost.
It only takes a minute, you stop thinking about your surroundings, wander off a bit and ta-da, nothing looks familiar and you can't remember the way you came from.
@@maxuli21 Reminds me a group of us were exploring an old farm and orchard [which later became a subdivision, of course] and suddenly everyone admitting they didn't know the way back to the car.
@@gargoyle38 There's a folk tale in my country, that when you are in the woods the forest spirits can pull you into another dimension, so that even if people walk right past you they can't see or hear you, no matter what you do. And there's tricks to escape this dimension, like turning all your clothes upside down and other stuff 😂
I remember as a kid we were picking mushrooms, there were a ton of them so naturally I just went from one spot to another. Then at some point I looked up and didn't see my family anywhere. Just stood there for a while until I think my grandmother appeared somewhere. The woods are a strange place to be in, but very pleasant aswell.
@@maxuli21 I've seen some very very strange things in the forest, with the easier to understand although most magical the great stag's harem circling around him three times before the does gracefully pranced away ...
My Grandfather grew up in the boonies of New Mexico in the 50's-60's. He has seen everything from convoys of black unmarked government vehicles driving into secret entrances within the Sandia mountains, to Native spirits that had manifested themselves. But the thing that scared him the most throughout his life was the time that him and his friends got lost while walking through the desert arroyos. They were out there for 18 hours and thought they were for sure dead.
About 8/9 years ago there was a real case of a “feral” family of about 40 people in the Blue Mountains in Australia - genuinely a very tragic case of abuse, incest, neglect over several generations. I remember it really struck me how a family and especially their children, grandchildren, etc can fall through the cracks like that.
I heard that story when I was 15 I'm 22 now hearing you bring it up sent chills down my spine I thought I could forget that horror forever but I guess not that truly is one of the most depressing/ scary stories I've ever heard
@@Clin7Walker Can you please send a link to this? I live close to that area and I never heard of this
@@drened8502 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_clan_incest_case#:~:text=The%20Colt%20family%20incest%20case,near%20Boorowa%2C%20New%20South%20Wales.
They were named by the Courts as the COLT family… google that. Cheers
@@TheSonicdruid72 Holy shit just read the Wikipedia articles. Unbelievable
I live in the Appalachian mountains, and one time I did see a wild looking naked man run out of the woods along the side of the road and scream. But I think he was just an unfortunate person experiencing meth psychosis.
For sure meth. I live in the Appalachia too.. seen some wild looking people in the back woods, usually always tweakers...
Squeal like a Piggg
That was probably Donny.
That boy gets a little wild when he's been drinking, he's mostly harmless.
Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.
@@kacieogle513 zoomers tweaking
As someone who lives on the edge of the Appalachian mountains, the wrong turn movies, maybe not the murders, but actually turning on a random road out here WILL get you lost
I love Tucker and Dale vs Evil specifically because it turns the “evil hillbilly” trope on its head. Fantastic horror comedy.
I watched that movie for the first time just a couple months ago, it's so good
@@BeetleBuns it really is a fun time.
Cabin Fever is fun like that.
My father bought a newly built lake house in a new development in shady shores Texas on lake Lewisville in 1977..he met a 91 year old man living and fishing with very rudimentary scavenged items in some thick army Corp land behind his new development..he approached him and started a discussion and said this guy clearly hadn't spoke to anyone in some time..he was dirty and disheveled but started speaking well though and said he just wanted to be left alone..my father was 21 and was fishing a few weeks later and noticed him and brought him some fish he'd caught..he noticed he had been digging this hole with a scavenged piece of old barn tin..my father asked if he needed a shovel and brought him one..he dug him a hole covered it and made him a shelter and stayed through the winter...he got to talking with him about his story and turned out he was very mentally sound..his wife had died 7 years before and they were married like 62 years..he just kinda gave up and dug a house on the army Corp land because he had served in ww1 and felt he was obliged to do so..the developers had ran him off and filled in his home to build the little developement...my father offered numerous times to come stay in his house but he refused..he did come walking up after an apparent confrontation of some sort..he asked if he could dig a hole on some of my dad's land..he helped him dig it and he stayed there for about 6 months..he was busy working in the defense industry and one day the few possessions he had were gone and so was he..he said he was completly mentally sound and in realy goodshape for his age..he just had been living alone and wanted to be left alone..not exactly ferril but thought it was interesting espicaly given this was 12 miles north of downtown dallas..imagine what could be possible out in rural Appalachia
Thank you for sharing this :)
I really enjoyed reading this account, thank you for sharing
That was a nice story
I doubt he was completely mentally well, but it sounds like he knew what he needed to do to care for himself. I could 100% see myself doing this if I lost my wife.
@@cjboyoYup! But the fact he can still care for himself shows he has not totally "lost it"...
it would be weird for our government to commit genocide against indigenous Americans but leave a population of "feral" people untaxed and undisturbed
So you mean that this current government ought to revert to the governement of colonial american in order to remain consistant?
Now to be fair I don't exactly spend much time thinking about roaming bands of feral folk in the hills, but this has to be the most logical answer against their existence i've ever heard. As an American you can run to the far ends of the planet, but if you happen to make a dollar there Uncle Sam will chase you down for his cut. The only method of escape is literally renouncing your citizenship. The preposterousness that that same infernal machine would allow untaxed Americans in its backyard is pretty far-fetched.
Well they had to catch em first.
@@arthurgodwin6571 Human beings are so savage that we were bringing down giant game 10s of thousands of years ago with nothing but sticks and rocks. Imagine fighting an elephant with sticks and rocks except it's twice the size of an elephant because it's a wooly mammoth. Now do you really think Uncle Sam with all his guns and drones and satellites seriously can't find some people out in the woods if he really wants to? I'm not buying what you're selling lol
@@HadrianGuardiolaMore saying that it would have already happened. If these feral people as described here exist in such a large degree they would not be left undisturbed. Not that any evidence of these feral people is concrete but if they did exist the government would have already killed them or force them on reservations.
My theory on why people go missing, particularly in national parks, is that they are falling into caves. This comes from a map I saw once that showed where wilderness disappearances happen and where cave networks are, and the two maps matched up startlingly well. Unmapped caves, particularly small ones, could easily swallow a person who steps off a trail and doesn't know there's a 2 foot wide hole in the ground under a bush.
We know about uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. We've photographed them from helicopters. We've said hi and asked how they are doing. Some have even approached modern civilization for help against illegal poaching and loggers in their territories. There would be no reason to keep similar groups in the US a secret when the ones in the Amazon are out in the open.
EDIT: There is at least one national park where the Caves Eat People thing is a known problem. Craters of the Moon National Park. The park strongly suggests you stay on the trails because the old lava tubes under the park can cave in at any time, and if you're on a trail when this happens... well they know where the trails are, so there's a better chance of finding you.
Did two old woman not go missing there and only one was found?
@@scottishadonisOctober 2013, a 63 and 70 year old woman went missing for about a month, both found deceased
Thanks, I knew it was something like what I’d said but your description makes more sense now I’ve read it. Cheers!
That, and any sort of mining activity. I went to college in southern Appalachia and I'd go hiking when I had the time. I remember seeing these large unmarked slabs of wood in the ground. I thought they were apart of some herpetological study, so I flipped one. It was just a pit, straight down. After doing some research, it turns out people just went out and built mineshafts looking for coal, and never reported them or marked them on any map.
@@annakofron7059 Old water wells too.
I grew up in Northern Maine. Two things.
1) the area i used to live had small stone plinths further out in the woods. Many were missing, nobody really knew who made them (natives or pioneers?). The "rule" of those plinths was that search parties didnt go past them when looking for missing persons. Too dangerous for such a small community back then. If you went past those things, nobody was coming for you.
2) Maine had a *lot* of "Bush Vets". Veterans from the Vietnam War that came back and decided to just live out in the forest rather than rejoin society. They could be anything from a hermit minding their own business wanting no trouble to a dangerous individual with untreated psychological problems. The vast majority were completely harmless and you just respected them and left them alone and gave them "right of way".
I've never experienced anything more remote and isolating than Northern Maine.
I’m from Aroostook too (a bit north of Presque Isle) and when I was a child, my best friend’s brother was lost on his family’s hundred acres or so for two nights. I spent my whole childhood in those woods and I fully believe he could have died out there and never been found if he wasn’t as smart as he was.
There are few things as wild as the Great North Woods. You could die out there, alone, afraid, and entirely unreachable, and like as not, your bones would crumble to dust before another human being set foot within 10 feet of your grave
@@thephilosophyroom5587 Oh, you were waaaay up there, yup! It doesn't get much more remote than Aroostook! I was in Penobscot and Piscataquis. Been up to Presque Isle a time or two in my work.
You're not wrong, either! That boy could have just vanished without a trace. Even SAR dogs can't always find people, and not for lack of trying. That's some primeval wilderness up there; people just don't realize, it's not like the movies. Not at all.
@@SoulSoundMuisc Cool that you've been up there! I've got some family down Portland, Gray way, but I grew up in the Swedish colony north of Caribou (a bit north of PI) and the woods out there, the Irving logging roads, were some truly deep stuff. Always nice to find another Mainer out there.
Word of advice, one northerner to another, particularly watching videos like this - don't drive Route 11 at night, no matter how much of a shortcut people say it is. The interstate is perfectly fine if you're doing night driving.
@@thephilosophyroom5587 Had a Great Uncle who worked those logging roads! Got to ride with him once in the jumper seat.
Me: "Where are we?"
Him in his Heavy French Canadian Accent: "I don know, mebbe we be in Maine, mebbe we be in Quebec? You wan me get out an ask?"
Him: "...We haff to get owt of he'a be-fo eet gets dark."
Me: O.O; "Are there monsters?!"
Him: "Non! I haff no lights! Ees much worse!"
Heard the horror stories about Rout 11 as well. I don't travel up that way anymore and don't live in Maine anymore, either. Unfortunately.
On the one hand, I miss it terribly. On the other hand, when I was a kid, it was... well, maybe not *the* poorest State in the union, but it was pretty darn bad.
Went to school with these two boys, twins, their shoes were made out of old tire, leather, and rivets. Little girls wearing their fathers old Caterpillar sweatshirt as a 'dress'. Went to school with a boy whose family lived in an honest to goodness tarpaper shack. Cash was for gas and absolute essentials, everything else was bartered for. Everything. Kids coming up, not a lot of options back then: you went to work for Dexter Shoe, the Logging Industry, or joined the Military and that was about it. Poor-poor. Appalachia Poor.
We used to have a saying: "If food stamps could buy bus tickets, wouldn't be nobody here." Bad times.
But I still miss it. Deeply.
The forest people are really just the friends we made along the way
I read that with Wendigoon in mind.
☕😅🇺🇸
I haven't made any friends.
Does this imply that that forest people aren't real or that friendship eludes me like forest people?
Gah.
Existentialism.
@@fruckles wendigoon is dope
LOL!!. Cityit!
Oh wait, I forgot we didn't take our psyche meds. We were just hallucinating, we don't have friends, only our imagination! *sad schizophrenia moments*
I grew up in this tiny little town with like 300 people, a bar, and a soda machine out in the middle of the woods. Lived in the woods all my life, and only the dozen or so kids my age ever went in the woods that late. Me and a few friends would venture out and just watch and listen to the forest or wander around quietly.
Once in a while, the moonlight was strong enough to break the canopy of trees, and a few times we'd see people moving around. Keyword being SEE, because the only time I ever heard one was when my friend had broken a stick under his foot. Whoever or whatever I saw took off, but its footsteps were like thunder. I still get chills, because something that heavy could move so quietly.
SKINWALKER
They're employing a method of walking called the "fox step". Many hunters and military personnel use this method to silently traverse different terrain. I'm 6'3", and was raised deep in the Appalachians. Many friends have remarked that I move like a ghost in the woods. IDK, it's just how I was taught to walk in the woods.
Discovering them would be easier with drones now
Tell me more tell me more!
Methheads 😅
My Dad was stationed in the Philippine Islands in WWII and he used to tell me this gruesome story about some Japanese soldiers that were trapped there. Dad said these Japanese soldiers were hiding out and killing American soldiers. When they found them and realized what they were doing it was unbelievable. They were eating the America soldiers. One of them was a Japanese general and he told the men that captured them that there was nothing better tasting than human flesh. Dad talked about the pile of bones and the dog tags. It was a horrible story and it messed up my Dad. I remember when I was a kid how he used to jump out of bed and I could hear him running through the house. He would get in his truck and drive all night. But he saw a lot of messed up things. But yes I believe that kind of sick stuff happens.
George W Bush Sr has an interesting story from WW2...you may want to look into it.
Sorry for your Dad...it must have been difficult not only for him, but you also, as it is hard to see someone you love hurting.
@@missdebbie8131 yes it was. All those years ago when I was young nobody talked about PTSD but a lot of people like my Dad suffered w it. They drank heavy and had lots of problems. My Dad was very verbally abusive to my Mother and me and my siblings. I can hardly remember a day that he didn’t curse us all out over nothing. We walked on eggshells around him. My cousin’s Father was a actual survivor of D-Day and she went through living heck w him. He would beat her so bad that she finally ran away from home when she was a young teenager and walked like a hundred miles to her Moms house. She never talked to her Father again until she was like in her 30s and that was only because her husband wanted her to reconcile with him. I don’t think that they ever really became close but she forgave him bc of what he went through in the war.
My dad used to talk about a great grand uncle who would grab a rifle at night and fire out a window apparently at the ghosts of men he had killed in the American civil war. He was nicknamed ''Shooting Bob.''
Peenuses dangling down like a rain forest. Hundreds of dangling peenuses. Monkey runs and jumps off a cliff and grabs a peenus! The monkey swings and jumps from peenus to peenus and goes across the whole forest off flaccid peenuses
@@gargoyle38Man named Jonah runs across the street naked in flip flops. Weiner flops side to side. 16 inch flaccid girthy kok flops up and down, side to side. Jonah runs naked across the street
The sad part about the Donner party is that they were stranded at the head of Donner Lake -- which is full of fish, even in the dead of winter. Had those people only known, they could have chopped holes in the ice, used bits of fur for bait, and caught enough fish to sustain themselves until spring.
They wouldn't have been able to last on just fish, vitamin C would have been necessary to prevent scurvy, you can also starve from eating only protein, look up 'rabbit starvation' (does not involve actual starving rabbits)
You think they would have at least tried
@@lynxelmore5364 Fresh meat contains small amounts of vitamin C. And if your diet does not include carbs, the dietary requirement for vitamin C drops dramatically. (Glucose competes with vitamin C for uptake.) On a meat-only diet, you need only a fraction of the vitamin C you do on an omnivorous diet. You're right about rabbit starvation, but fish might have enough fat depending on the type of fish.
There have been many examples throughout history of tribes of people surviving for long periods of time on only meat or only fish. Some people today eat meat-only diets, especially to help with autoimmune diseases. (Google the "carnivore diet.") They totally would have survived a few months if they had fished.
@@lynxelmore5364 You can still last a long time on just fish. Fish do have some fat. Idk if there were pine trees but put some pine needles in hot water and there you go, vitamin c.
It need only have sustained them for three months, until spring arrived.
The fact that he had to distinguish between downtrodden people and feral makes me think there's more stupid people out there then it'd like to think 🤣
Liberals
@@wizard_of_poz4413 Liberals? Explain.
@@dalpaengiTwitter bots pretending to be Liberals as well as extremists have just out of the blue insulted Southern White people regardless of political side calling them cavemen and retards and other stupid shit. But, once again, it’s TWITTER. Twitter is full of idiots and this guy claiming that it’s all Liberals is just stupid. THEY (the commenter that said “Liberals”) are the stereotype that is projected onto people from the South.
Movies make people dumber, usually
@@dalpaengi the kind that think people outside their high priced subdivision are all cavemen
As someone who has thought about leaving "society" or "civilization" for the woods I could totally see like minded people being seen out there instead of a cryptid.
Yup and when the shtf and electricities is a thing of the past these “wild feral peeps” are gonna go from the very bottom of the human filth pyramid to the very top , and if in this day n age your one of those snobby schmoozer name dropping gold digger judging everyone around you type of person just imagine how it’s gonna be when you got to go asking these people you used to judge so hard to now please take you under their wing as they know how to be wild and you don’t
It's just some weird hermit dude going "you kids stay off my dirt!"
Read the story of the "North Pond Hermit"
Old Vikings dawg
Why don't u go
I have family in rural areas, and they would absolutely warn me about "hill people". I had not heard of Sawney bean before, thank you for that story.
there's even legends in NJ about the Pineys, supposedly feral people that live in the Pine Barrens. Wild shit, and those woods can get creepy af, so I wouldn't be overly surprised if there was some truth to it
@@BeetleBunsbro , bobby from sopranos mention wild people in pine barrens 😂😂😂
@@MetroCop2077 yea Piney legends have been around since the 1800s, and probably earlier
Alot of people don't realize that parts of the Celtic culture practiced head hunting in a pretty casual manner. They would use tree sap along with other methods to preserve the heads. Some kept the preserved heads of those they killed in combat while in some cases the head could have belonged to a loved one or someone who they revered. They would often be used as decoration or kept as a treasured keep sake that would only be brought out for a special occasion or to show a special guest. It freaked the Romans out hahaha.
Lol. Bullshit
Yes!!! The Gauls were famous for this!
Which clans specifically? If you know cuz I'm just curious
Sounds completely made up and 100% real gotta love the celts and their wacky antics
@@jameslave98 It's not. Diodor wrote about it, for starters: Diod. (V,29). Also Strabon: Strab. (IV, 4,5)
But there's also a lot of archeoligical evidence. Look up the sites of Roquepertuse and Ribemont-sur-Ancre for example.
I don't discount the existence of feral people. But as an explanation for missing people, I don't buy it. And have you seen some of the people in urban areas? Some folks there are more feral than anyone you're likely to meet in the forest.
Exactly. People are more feral in the streets of large cities then in the boonies.
Crackheads
Bros talking about the homeless people in California and the average Florida man
I think people also forget just how easy it is to get lost in the woods. I don’t have explanations for the weird things left behind, like severed feet in shoes, but for those who go missing without a trace, let’s just say there’s a reason I’m scared of the woods
Seriously, go to a homeless camp in a major city. Talk about feral people.
Having lived in Appalachia for almost 20 years now, I'm convinced the feral people thing stems from some overly dramatic city folk who came to the mountains and didn't understand that Bubba, with his 3 teeth and mouth full of dip, wasn't trying to attack them when he sauntered up and asked if they were having car trouble on a road in the middle of nowhere, but was being kind.
If you've been in the area any length of time, you'll know it's incredibly karst. It's all limestone. There are stories all the time of people walking into cave entrances that are just big enough for their foot to get caught in them and snap their ankle. I know I've found entrances like this going off trail (which is why it's a good idea to stay on the marked path, but I digress). It is not implausible that people are just stumbling into cave entrances that no one knows are there because you literally can't see them unless you know they're there. Human remains are found in unexplored cave systems all the time. They're very easy to end up dead in. Especially with any missing children, it would be easy to get sucked into a cave entrance that's very small.
Eek don't like the mental image of a person being "sucked" into a cave and I like caves lol
As I posted I grew up in WNC Asheville and back in the mountains feral people exist!!!! My Dad invested in real estate and bought a lot in Madison co and some of the locals were the ones that told us about feral people
Ones grandfather and great uncles were paid by the government to eradicate these people and yes they are cannibalistic! The locals told us what hollows to avoid! So before you make comments about paranoid city folks I suggest you do a little research!!!! Patricia Gambino Harrington
I'm from Virginia n every fall we'd go visit blue ridge mountains or Shanendoah n one time we got lost off the trail. Im not sure if it's even considered Appalachian but it was scary sitting on the side of a mountain it's almost dark n we saw a momma bear n her cubs not too long before we got lost lol. Choosing to spend the night on the mountain or walk in the dark we chose to walk. Thankfully nobody snapped their ankle lol. I was like 8 yrs old at the time n I was scared not even going to lie.
I remember hiking pretty deep into some forest in winter alone one time with quite a bit of snow on the ground. I was young and stupid and all of a sudden it dawned on me that if I take a bad step and fall through some ditch or hole and happened to break my leg or get stuck that I would most likely die out there.
Ever think that it might come from a-holes that look like Bubba who treat people like sh** just cause they know they can? Their Half-Uncle's cousin is the local deputy, and he lives on the other side of the mountain 40 min away. These outsides have no chance whatsoever. Who they gonna call? Not the Ghostbusters and not the Police either. Being even able to call someone assumes that they have a working phone nearby lol. These stories go way back before cell phones, way back.
I’ve heard countless stories of people living out in the woods by themselves and definitely looking pretty feral. I know a dude who personally ran into a very rough looking dude wearing nothing but ripped up cargo shorts in the middle of no where in northern maine. There’s been plenty of folks who just got tired of society and went to be a hermit.
The Descent is seriously one of the best horror movies I have ever seen. So overlooked despite its brilliance. It is claustrophobia inducing, it's playing with your head, it's beautifully and realistically lit despite taking place in a dark cave, and some of the kills are perfect. I remember watching it as a kid for the first time, being absolutely horrified by it, so I gave it a rewatch long after I started studying film at university and it's a small, unknown hidden gem. The kind of horror movie I'd like to make one day.
Probably one of the best horror movies ever made,
Yep. Great movie!
Hi
My only complaint with The Descent is they cut the ending short in the American release. I much prefer the original extended version
Yes it is an underground classic literally !
In Appalachia there are still tiny communities that no roads lead to. You gotta walk a long ways to find 'em. People living out there ain't exactly friendly, but I never met one that was a cannibal.
Makes sense the parties gotta b fun out there lol
@@abandonedtownexplorations8736Maybe, but you're not invited. I've lived in the mountains of North Carolina and Tennessee for 20 years and I'm only kinda able to understand the local dialect. Don't ever talk to a drunk hillbilly if you can't understand him sober, he's only going to get angry. Won't likely eat you in anger, but could well swing the moonshine jar.
@@NoneOfyourbusiness-wi1iy😂seriously? He didnt even say he wanted to be invited to ur lame ass party like seriously u sound like a real loser
@@abandonedtownexplorations8736No i think i’d rather stay in hong kong or ho chi minh miss me wit dat bs😂😂😂havw it
Yet
As a feral man eating person myself i can confirm this video as 100% true
Yavoh, nothing like a barbecue.
Either your a feral man who eats people or your a person who eats feral men.
Either is equally strange
@@evangelineaudet7242the latter is funnier
Bro's on a diet 💀💀💀
@@evangelineaudet7242 😂 comma's man..... they're important
MMMMMMMMMm! Its been so long since I've had a good feral stew or "F-Pie", or Feral Haggis (fer yeh Scottsmen)!
I grew up in rural Wales, and my family live in rural Wales, and we have sightings of big black cats all the time. My friends cat was killed from a very large scratch across it's tummy after a sighting near their village, shortly before a neighbours dog went missing. And two years ago my extended family were talking about a big cat sighting at a friends farm.
I live in rural SW Scotland, never saw a big cat myself but heard loads of stories from credible people seeing them. My mate used to work on a local farm and he said the farmers would just talk about the big cats as if it was normal
I'm Irish and can speak Irish and the Celtic Bigfoot they spoke about , well it's name translates to The Big Grey Man , in case you were wondering
In the original book that The Descent is based on, the cave people actually have a massive population living in an extended cave network that stretches all the way around the world. Before any human civilization, they had cities above ground, and they long to return to their ancient glory. They've been kidnapping live humans and making them teach them how to speak modern languages and use modern technology, specifically weapons. They have telepathic abilities, and they have an immortal king who has been keeping himself alive by transferring his consciousness into another body every time he gets old. They always use human bodies for this, and so the king can go into the top-world and influence government and corporate policies in a way that is conducive to the global cave people agenda.
Kinda sounds like DUMBS and the DULCE BASE in New MExico.
that sounds like it's getting into all kinds of hollow earth and illuminati-type conspiracy stuff. Imaginative, but i feel like the movie version is more...plausible. As far as it goes.
@@almishti The earth isn't hollow in the book, there are interconnected cave networks that have openings to the surface all over the world, which is way more plausible than a hollow earth. Also the immortal king part is a reveal near the end of the book, where it's revealed that one of the main characters is actually the immortal king.
@@alanhorton7300 is the book called The Descent too? It sounds interesting.
Well shit now I've gotta read the book. Sounds similar to Lovecraft's "the mound" which is one of my favorites of his. Standard content warning for Lovecraft racism, it's got similar characterization of natives that a lot of these modern stories have for rural folks which I find kinda interesting.
Yeah I'm a Tennessean, and I used to travel into the Appalachians fairly often. You'd come across really, really small communities, like 3 homes, a gas station, and a general store sized "towns".
Often the locals weren't super friendly and somewhat strange.
I can just imagine a family living a few dozen miles further into the Appalachian Hills who haven't had wider contact with the nation for decades.
Edit: I want to clarify that I never had any problems in these communities, if I had to stop, I understood by tone/body language that they weren't particularly interested in conversation, a rarity in my neck of the southern woods, and moved on.
Southern hospitality is a thing, and it was often lacking in those towns in my anecdotal opinion.
Grew up in the Canadian Rockies and you got isolated little communities there, usually just out of easy reach of the outside of small towns. They were usually just people who wanted to be left alone and for some reason wouldn't fit in living in town. Some were heavy drinkers but most not. These people in my locality lived at the end of the valley where most of the Grizzlies hung out. The way I saw it, if these people were so determined to be alone they were willing to live there, good luck to them. If one or two of them went bad they were unlikely to get caught, but they never did. It does happen though, there was the pig farmer over in Vancouver and there's supposed to be one or two serial killers on the highway of tears never caught. This is no excuse to paint all of a group of people with the same brush though.
Yup, and some of those folks probably still use Confederate money. Lots of folks like that in East TN. Dad took a wrong turn onto old 116 west of Oak Ridge in the 70's which leads right to the front gate of Brushy Mountain state penitentiary. There were folks along that road that looked like they were from the 1850's.
@@Skinfaxi me and my Dad used to hang out in unusual spots he found, and at some point met some people like this! and yeah exactly, if someone floats through town it's going to feel weird to locals. The only reason nobody reacted is because my dad went there regularly and so people recognized him as just that dude who likes to visit sometimes but has completely neutral motives, just likes to go to rural places haha. but I can't imagine how weird it would feel for them, it's like if someone just walked into your house bc of how intimately small the communities are.
my dad is a super quiet guy, very kept to himself. so he doesn't tend to bother people the same way most people would with a louder presence. I feel lucky he taught me how to be an observer because it's just nice to keep to yourself in some situations
Playing duelling banjos and sucking each other off without any teeth
Based off the video Ask A Mortician did, it seems to me that slowly starving for months in the dead of winter is not a small push to eating people, rather a large and primal one.
“It was only a few months of near starvation”
Yeah… only…😂
I feel that missing 411 isn't just one single thing. I think it's many different things causing it to appear to be a singular widespead phenomenon. It seems to me that many people want just one thing to be the cause
It is, in that it's a hoax that uses missing person cases that have had the details altered or left out completely by a man with a history of lying to people to enrich himself.
Agree. A lot of tge cases are murders in my opinion but some are really weird because we don't have enough information on them.
This always happens with phenomena around the edges of our understanding ... we're arrogant enough to assume that there's only one mystery left. Whether it's UFOs or chronic fatigue syndrome, the craving for a single explanation for all cases leads to many good explanations that could work for some cases being thrown away.
Native folklore of evil creatures have been around for thousands of years with thousands of stories unique to each tribe just saying
a good chunk of the cases are probably just people getting lost and dying from that, actual murders, fabrications and the like. Sure there is some good mystery but most is just nonsense for what it is offering.
I've never heard someone refer to the results of the Donner Party ordeal as "rather soon" before. They had a small army of kids to feed and a pile of frozen, preserved corpses. Didn't exactly have a better option.
Exactly, I was baffled when he acted like “only a few months” without food wasn’t a big deal.
yeah lol bro was tripping on that one
@@athiefinthenight6894 i was thinking the same thing.
well no, some of them also killed people in order to eat them, and I distinctly remember that one man actually killed at least one of the children to eat. so
@@Northwoods90yeah, seems like he doesn't really understand what Hunger is or does to a person
With the theory of why havent we found these people, you never stop to think how goddamn good people are at hiding. Like some serial killers have hidden for decades after committing their crimes, with NO trace of themselves ever being where they supposedly were. Then this especially brings into account that, if they are real, they have been doing this for tens of thousands of years, without fail. So they obviously would have evolved or adapted to hiding.
This is like my thoughts on paranormal and cryptids, stop and think about how easy it is to just LIE. Same with just hiding and not wanting to be found. There isn't always a sinister otherworldly twist going on.
Think too about tribes like the one on north sentinel island, we know they're there now, but think of how many other types of tribes like that there could be. Especially if ones that live in the mainland united states are real, they would be masters at hiding. Think of instances like the axman of New Orleans, Jack the Ripper, and other famous unsolved murder sprees. People can hide incredibly well. The thing that terrifies me the most is how terrifying it is to know you're being hunted by another human.
There is always cases of homeless people living in peoples houses without their knowledge, so humans hiding in the wilderness is very likely to me 😂
No
"Only a few months of near starvation" I like how casual that is said, like oh only a few months of being in the mountains hiking in a blizzard with canvas shelters, and drinking impure water. If people around you are dying of the elements, and they're of similar shape you're in. It may be a good indicator to start eating the dead.
I've done a considerable amount of hiking and camping in the pacific northwest. Had several encounters with predators, people, and something that was stalking me that i never saw.
My fears are as follows:
1) humans
2) mt. lions
3) bears
4) bigfoot
Had several times that big critters entered my camp at night. Once a black bear and a couple of times people. I was was more nervous about the middle of the night forest people than i was the bear.
Oh yeah. Turned out that the people across the creak from us later all got busted for a meth lab. These were almost certainly the source of our midnight intruders.
gosh yeah, nothing is scarier to me than other humans
I live in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in Northern California and have my entire life. There are a lot of very dense woods here that go on for 100s of square miles. There are plenty of predators here and many of them are human. I think the biggest danger here today are the Cartels growing marijuana miles out into the forest on public land. I've ran across more than a few grow operations up here while going out into the back woods
I always make sure I am well armed and I always take my dog " Rock " who's part German Shepherd and Part Rottweiler. He doesn't bark when he's out there. Something he does naturally for whatever reason. He doesn't shut up at home being very verbal but he doesn't bark. He just makes weird sounds like he's trying to talk. But he's been more than a best friend and alerted me twice about people nearby. Both times I witnessed grow operations manned by gun toting Spanish speaking individuals. I've came across a couple places where operations had already ceased but the evidence of the operation was still in place.
@@GorillaCookies And you never report any of that to the police? That’s basically a civic duty.
For some strange reason that area has many many people creeping around everywhere. They seem to enjoy skulking around at night especially. Peeping around in the dark while it's raining is a local sport for many. I lived there for many years and never trusted anyone from there. It's the creepy mf...er capitol of the world. I'll take bears and cougars over the people anyday. The animals out there have better manners.
Dude you’re brave as hell I would shit myself.
thank you for not just saying "rural people are weird." i grew up in a pretty isolated community in the plains, and while my area was hostile and rude to outsiders, it's for a good reason. real estate developers, lumber companies, people trying to buy out our cooperative industries (ag and textiles), and people from cities who want the "small town aesthetic" without actually being community driven have really warped our area and no one is happy about it. the people pushing for it were always outsiders, and always looked down on us for how we lived our lives.
my home area has become less isolated for the better over time, especially our education system, but at the beginning it really sucked and cost a lot of us jobs and farm land.
Rural people DO tend to be a bit weird.
As someone who lives in a semi-rural town surrounded by dozens of little hick towns, I can PROMISE you that the generalization isn’t far off the mark…
@@JROD082384 yeah stereotypes are almost always based on reality.
Doesn't mean that they apply 100% of the time, but they're true more often than not.
I live in South Texas. There is extremely thick brush in any place that's not developed and mowed regularly, to the point that it's difficult to walk into any wooded area. It provides very good visual cover--like if someone walked a few feet into the brush,they wouldn't be visible to a person on the road. Any time I've ever gone in and explored this stuff, I find little camps everywhere: mattresses, car cushions, hammocks, places where someone was obviously sleeping, including when I went into the brush across the street from where I was renting a house. I've also seen some rough looking people emerge from the woods while I was on a morning jog on a rural road near my current house.
That has made me think that these undeveloped areas are quite possibly infested with bums. They could enter and leave at night, and we'd never know any better.
I got really stressed when I was in college. I was so overwhelmed that, every day when I made the 30 minute drive to class, I constantly fantasized about putting together a backpack and moving in to the brush. If I'd have failed out, who knows, maybe I would have done it. There could be a whole different, covert society living invisibly just a few feet from our brick houses and picket fences.
I live in California, where we have one-third of the nation's homeless. This is exactly what homeless camps look like in the rural areas. Right off the beaten path or road, but completely hidden by the brush and woods. It's kind of scary how hidden they are so close to functional society.
I hiked part of the Appalachian trail in 2014 solo, the wildlife didn't bother me but there were some really creepy weird people on and off the trail, my advise never hike alone and go unarmed.
Nuts how everyone seems to say that, tf is wrong with the USA 😂😂
If you saw my six foot, four inches scottish grandpa, you'd think he's some feral giant from the highlands... RIP grandpa.
To me, I think "Feral" people exist. People who have the knowledge, drive, and ability to live entirely off the land could very easily walk into the forest and never be seen from again. I've friends from rural areas who tell me this exact thing. What I mean by "Feral" is people who are so incredibly isolationist they're willing to do anything to keep their solitude.
I'm growing more and more unwilling to mingle with townies, even though I am one, and might be considered a hermit at this point if I had the ability or inclination to grown/hunt my own food. Unfortunately I'm just very reclusive, not self sustaining.😂😭
As a city slicker myself, I too am most comfortable and at ease when I'm outdoors. "Feral" is a wrong term to describe someone as they're comfortable to live one's lifestyle. Think about the native Americans from the old days, they get looked at differently when they come into town to visit as well. It goes both ways when we visit unknown places in the world, we all have choices to make how we live our lives.
ME.
Truth is, you're always dependent on other people for survival, to a certain degree. And don't forget that farming, hunting and fishing are full time jobs when survival is at stake. Supermarket-grown people are clueless, there's nothing romantic about bare survival in nature.
Then your definition of "feral people" is incorrect.
Let alone feral people we grew up with this kid from the Bronx who used to lift water buckets on a stick as a kid he was solid muscle not that tall but the feats of strength and stories that came from this kid let alone his basic virtuosity in everything he put his mind to was unreal. We all one time was trying to dig up this rock for like a week he came over and just ripped it out of the ground like a savage the rock was so much bigger then any of us could have imagined like an iceburg it was so crazy that thing must have been there 100 years. Then one day we was all tossing rocks 🪨 and sticks out on a lake just fooling around when all of a sudden the hair on you neck just stands up as he tossed a fallen tree over all our heads onto the lake 😀 it was like some thing from Sampson. Also the crazy thing was he wasnt all bulky like a lifter matter of fact he didnt much care for traditional weights so you would never expect this kinda strength from him it was righteous, so yea i understand 👍 what afew pounds can do.
idk why i have neverrrr been able to sit through any video like this that mainly focuses on the person talking and not images or videos to go along with it, but i was able to easily watch this full video without getting distracted or bored. Great video!
With regard to cannibalism, starvation can cause mental imbalances that really mess with your ability to think as you otherwise would. Some people are better at resisting than others, yes, but basically put it can drive you insane. Thankfully, most of us haven't felt that level of hunger - I can't imagine it, not really. Combine it with the sheer drive to survive and still some people resist (there were those in the Andes crash who chose not to participate, for example). The idea that people will start chowing down on the nearest human body at the first rumbling tum is not really how it goes for anyone with a normal amount of sanity.
I agree though that once the taboo is broken, it's probably easier the second time.
He talked about the Donner party going *months* without a reliable source of food as if it's a short amount of time. I don't know anyone willing to put that assertion to the test.
I don't get the condemnation of cannibalism in a survival situation, especially if the people are dead already. That taboo came along very recently in the human story. Cannibalism was common among early humans and Neanderthals that existed around the same time, either for ritual purposes or for sustenance.
The second time you make a soup!
@@Libbathegreat just want it to be known that one of the last surviving men found from the Donner party actually let the left over beef spoil because he had "come to favor" the human meat better 💀💀
@@Libbathegreat yeah, that struck me, too. Most people can't fast for a week, even. Starvation is a cruel way to go.
@@warmsoda9690 I've heard that story too and, tantalizing as it is, it's not credibly sourced. Just one of the many bits of mythos that have attached themselves to this event over the years.
my father used to take multiple hiking trips throughout the year in the smokies. he came back from one of the trips with a story of a wild man, or maybe just a societal dropout. they met 2 women who were terrified on the trail. they said they had encountered the guy and were so scared that they had grabbed whatever defensive weapon they could muster, which was a couple of Swiss army knives, scared that they would be attacked during the night. they described the guy as wearing a tatered suit with no shoes and wild hair and a beard. my father and his group eventually encountered the fellow. it ended up that he was some kind of hippy dropout and that he appeared to be harmless. however, he was out in the back country, with no pack, no gear, or anything. he really scared the 2 women, and they ended up completing their hike with my father and his group. I guess my point is that freaky sh!t happens out in the back country of the Appalachian mountains, so be careful. you are not supposed to, but we never hiked out there without a pistol.
I've had similar experience with a guy wearing a grey suit. He hit us up for food and he didn't have the appropriate gear to be a couple days' hike into a back country trail. He was still loitering in the same area when we were hiking out
@@xkidgey We had a guy on the AT just last year 2022 that did a similar thing. No gear, No water, wearing jeans and a heavy coat, but was somehow hanging around a shelter 12 miles from the nearest roadcrossing on either side. He scared people on multiple occasions by sitting inside the shelter when they walked up, staring, and saying nothing. When 3 or more showed up he'd leave and disappear into the woods. Park rangers finally came out after about a dozen people called in, but he was gone of course. Where to? No one knew. No one had seen him hiking on the trail on either side, and this was the top of a mountain. He can't hike down at night without some sort of light, and there is no "safe" way down besides the trail.
Our best guess was that he had some sort of camp nearby hidden in the woods and was looking to prey upon thru-hikers. Sad part of that theory is, he didn't have to prey, he could have just asked for food and any thru-hiker would have happily shared. The other theory is that food wasn't the thing he was looking for......☹
@@xkidgey sounds like a drifter, not a feral human
@@Mutiny960 Prob mentally ill guy
@@xandercrews4729what does drifter mean in that context
I live in the area of the Sawney Bean story, and I can tell you that for such a small country, it's super isolated down here.
In Scotland, most people are concentrated in what is called the "Central Belt" - from Greenock and Glasgow to Edinburgh - and in cities/towns. The Southwest doesn't have great farming land, so is sparsely populated in places. I've been to areas in the hills that have three houses and nothing else, miles away from anywhere. Sometimes there's only one person living there. I live near a village of under 100 people, about 20 miles from a supermarket or petrol station and that's enough to drive me a wee bit bonkers. I can't imagine what it's like living that rural.
There's a loneliness epidemic in rural Scotland, and I think there's been one for centuries.
It wouldn't surprise me if there was feral people that the isolation just got to. Sending love!
Hell, even the traditions of them are probably..... interesting
@@NoneOfyourbusiness-wi1iy from my personal experience, most people practice an odd combination of English + Scottish tradition but nothing uncanny, just unique. Any really freaky/unacceptable traditions have aged out of use - the only people who remember them are too dementia-ridden to practice them and the young people to "continue tradition" have long since moved away.
Basically, from all I know any unnatural traditions have long left the maindtream even in *rural* rural areas
Bellsbank is full of sawney beans
usually hate features of other creators in videos but that guy Ryan was actually a joy to listen to. good call
Have you looked into tales of the "moon-eyed people" at all? Said to be inhabitants of the southern Appalachians before the Cherokee moved in and drove into living underground.
There's a statue/carving of them (if you Google image search moon eyed people it shows up multiple times) that I just find terrifying to look at.
why files just did that
This! Fort Mountain has a plaque commemorated to this. My brother went there and it’s been a while, but I think there’s mention of them being violent, and the local tribes using the area of fort mountain as a battle station of sorts
Bearded, white skinned, small with big eyes (compared to the natives), came from "across the great water", built forts.
Idk but my compass is telling me norse.
Reminds me of the devil monkey videos done by hammerson peters where they lived in caves and would come out and eat people b4 they were wiped out
@@nouhorni3229 interesting. But in reference to Appalachia, the great water is more likely than not a reference to the Mississippi. The Cherokeee did drive native tribes out that are the oldest in this hemisphere. They’re thought to have come across the Bering though. I’m going to have to do some digging now 😊
As someone that grew up in a poor, rural area, I actually really appreciate your acknowledgement of common stereotypes and just how incorrect they can be
I know that's not really a huge deal to most, but so many discussions on the topic feed into harmful stereotypes that dehumanize these groups of people.
Also, thank you for properly pronouncing "Neanderthal" lmao
Edit: yes, people in rural areas aren't perfect, but no group of people are. This isn't a defense of intolerance, just of broad labels.
Edit 2: Neander-tal is closer to the original German name than Neander-thal. I do realize that it's merely a matter of what English-speaking country you live in
Pronunciation changes from traditional UK pronunciation (Knee-an-dur-thall) as opposed to the Americanized Knee-an-der -tall
The Americanized version is really just a better approximation of the original German pronunciation. Thal in German means valley and the German language lacks English-style interdental sounds.
No one really believes the stereotypes about hicks and inbred people. In fact, the poor communities in these areas are the ones who use the stereotypes the most. I come from a rural area in Arkansas. What actual Harmful stereotypes actually affect white people in rural areas? Pronouncing something appropriately? After blessing someone for speaking against harmful stereotypes against cumb white people? Are you a contradiction? I guarantee the people those harmful stereotypes are about don't pronounce neanderthal to your liking. I'll never understand praising someone for something subjective. It always seemed elitist to an extent. Anyway. Blame it on my autism I just find it funny when people seem so contradictory and at the same time so blissfully unaware.
Hard agree on the rural people thing. Honestly you're more likely going to run into a racist gun nut with 5,000 "NO TRESPASSING" signs than someone luring you into a lair or a colony of Hills Have Eyes people.
The toothless stereotype is super hurtful to people who simply didn't have access to dental care. Hurt tooth = pulled tooth when the closest dentist is seven hours away.
You'd see my teeth and make assumptions. I was homeless in my early 20s. Not exactly a dental plan out there. And it's hard to convince yourself you're doing hygiene when you're brushing your teeth with puddle water or in a dingy bathroom you're going to be searched when you leave. 20 years later and I have two wonderful girls. I have a home now. I work. All for them. But I still carry the marks from what I went through. So, please, strike the teeth thing from your mind. It's going to be bad enough when they are teenagers. Having this stigma on their father that no one would judge as doing anything wrong will embarrass them. I didn't take care of myself like I should have. It's not their fault, you know?
i love the phrase "freedom units" idk why ive never heard of that before
Knocking 3 times on the ceiling means you want me
As someone who lives in the foothills of the Cascades in Oregon, if there were feral people living in the mountains we would never know. Thems mountains are dense.
If the Aidens ever come out to Oregon for a video I'd be happy to be a guide.
Do you think there's/have you heard of any?
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 It's certainly possible. I haven't heard of any though. The people to ask would be loggers though.
@@keltongaskey alas I live on a miniscule Scottish island renowned for its lack of trees, so ima have to leave that task to you😄i imagine feral humans could be the very least of anyone's worries in an area like that.
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 Lol it would be hard for me to live somewhere without trees.
Agreed, the tree people are out there too. Oregon is beautifully wild.
Theres a really good theory about the donner party that states that we, as knowledgeable people of the future, mistakenly assume that the donner party also knew you could survive a really long time without food. The theory further states that as folks succumbed to exposure, it was mistaken for starvation, and it threw the survivors into a hysteria that made them choose cannibalism.
Name checks out.
Maybe that depending on the situation you are in, you could starve sooner than "months"?
@@maximedaunis8292 Definitely. When people say you can survive months without food, that's under ideal conditions. You will starve faster if you are under physical strain that burns more calories, e.g. being cold, being exhausted, etc.
Based on how many drug ops have been found in some of these parks i wouldnt be surprised if some sort of limited grow operations are responsibke for a lot of these, even as far back as the late 40s when the first drug gang murders started ramping up
This is seriously a cool channel, I can tell you put an incredible amount of effort into this. Good job 👍 😄
Deliverance was one of the original "watch out for hillbillies" trope movies. Kinda set the precedent going forward
And it was inspired, in part, by Federal Appalachian-hatred.
That scene traumatized me for life whenever I am in the forrest
That movie scarred my mind as a child..
More recent movies adding to this are the Hills Have Eyes remakes (which are based on the story of Sawney Beene) and even Red State, though Red State was more a fantastical Hollywood take on WACO, but in the Deep South.
@@djquinn11 boy you got a pretty mouth.
1783 The story of Sarah Witcher. She too as legend has it, wandered from her home for a few days. They found her and she said a bear took care of her . There is a children's book about it, and I read it to my children many times throughout the years.
Correction: Sarah Whitcher
It's fictional 😅
There was a kid named Casey Hathaway in North Carolina in 2019 who wandered out into the swamp in January and was found a few days later, little the worse for wear despite the near freezing temperature. His story: He hung out with a bear for 2 days.
there are multiple forms of the story, the earliest is honestly the least bizarre as in a bear just took her and when they found her, the bear swam away wanting to escape being shot to death. While later sources add in the bear picking berries and acting human like. very odd, although from what I gathered it seems like it was a rather simple yet shocking event that stuck and overtime it became more legend than truth.
Love the wendigoon reference, this is the first video I’ve seen of yours so the algorithm is making connections 😅
Honestly this is much better content than anything history or discovery has put out in the last few years
When I hiked sections of the Appalachian Trail, I noticed that my footsteps would echo, making it sound like I was being followed. After a while you get used to it.
one of the things I've always found interesting in regards to feral people and cannibalism in folklore is a pattern of folklore and cultural taboo among indigenous american tribes in regions with harsh winters, which often gets lost in translation to popular culture. violating certain high crimes meant you lost your humanity forever and became a cursed creature (which varied in name across tribes: Chenoo, Kiawahq', Stonecoats, Witiko, and of course, Wendigo), and while cannibalism IS on that list of high crimes, it was far more common for people to be cursed and ostracized for refusing to provide food or shelter to someone in need than for them to be accused of cannibalism. that element of the folklore was more of a metaphor for putting personal desires over the lives of others in the community and why it isn't safe to continue to trust people who had shown themselves to be so selfish and cruel.
Thank you for this comment. Fascinating thing to ponder about!
I’ve lived in Appalachia my entire life, so it was nice to hear you clarify about that stereotype 😊 Great video btw!
In regards to Alan Berry and Ron Morehead; I had a Sasquatch encounter near Trout Lake, WA (the Dark Divide between Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Adams) which sounded very similar to the Sierra Sounds. Alan Berry sent me one of his copies of the CD to compare to what I heard in 2001. It was frightening similar! I also had dinner with Ron Morehead and other Sasquatch researchers in Graham, WA. He is as genuine as they come and was full of a wealth of details regarding his encounters in the High Sierra with Alan Berry and the hunters who kept the hunting camp in this Mtn. Range.
Only a few months of near starvation, I actually thought you were being ironic when you mentioned that as if it wasn't a long time to be starving but it seems you were serious. I get that cannibalism is wrong and I think one might be jumping to it too quickly in the first week or two without any reliable food source but after a month, with no clear sign of rescue, I doubt there are many people who wouldn't eat another human, especially if that human was already dead.
100% agree. That was fuckin stupid to say. Those people who did resort to eating humans would have done so out of sheer desperation. It was not a “slight inconvenience in regards to food.”
Fuckin rude.
The Lore Lodge has to be one of the best CZcamsrs I have ever seen in my life. Seriously man your content is amazing, engaging, and always leaves me curious to learn more. Amazing job and keep it up!
honestly same, anytime im in a funk where i don't know what video to watch his stuff usually piques my interest
"Is this legit, is this something completely made up"
My guy, it's Scotland.
On the subject of bodies found decapitated, I once read a book by a woman who served as chaplain for a park ranger sevice in Maine and who therefore was involved with many search and rescues---apperently it's not uncommon to find heads separated from bodies because, and I swear she wrote this, bears like to bat them around on the ground like balls/toys---they can be found miles away sometimes, by her knowledge.
"Here if You Need Me" by Kate Braestrup, wasn't anything too special, just a classic Hope in Dark Places type fare, but that crazy detail stuck with me
I'm surprised that you didn't get into the documented cases of feral children. These kids were either lost or neglected by their parents. The most recent cases are of the girl raised by dogs, the chicken child, and a boy and monkeys. (the monkey boy didn't spend as much time in the wild to go completely feral) There are also American folk stories about a wolf girl, this story was made famous by the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark books by Alvin Schwartz. I mention that book because he had references in the appendix as to were he found the stories in the books.
And just for fun we can't forget the two most famous stories (though as far as I know are fiction) Tarzan and Mowgli
Those are a bit of a different story. Typically those are kids who were abandoned, not born in the wild.
There's the faerie kids from Ireland that were green from some sort of deficiency
lol for me the most famous story of wolf children would be Romulus and Remus
@@EmiStar070 You mean the changleings, or The green children of Woolpit? I wrote wath you said into goodle, and I got changlings. If you refer the the geen children of woolpit, then sorry, but that happands in England.
Also I can agree with the deficiency therory, but there is also a posablility that the children come from an isoleted small villige or comunity, and they skinn was green because of eather inces that happand there.
There is also another disturbing possible explanation of many highly suspicious disappearances, especially in open wilderness. Some time ago I was interested in forensic psychology regarding serial killers. There are many interesting and terryfying aspects that appear to be some atavistic traits hidden deeply in human nature and reappearing with disturbing regularity within the deranged personalities of psychopaths. I think one who wants to make out what's being happening with regard to people disappearing without a trace (and a reason which might suggest that they wanted to take their own life or break with their former life), should seriously consider the possibility of "part-time feral people", highly functioning within society yet from time to time feeling irresistible urge to hunt the "ultimate game", i.e. other humans. It is very possible that such a predatory personality feels extreme excitement and pleasure at the very thought of killing a person. I strongly suspect that many of those individuals pursue careers which facilitate indulging in such murderous disposition and may even find perfect cover from the very fact of being seemingly a reliable and trustworthy member of society doing respectable job.
Israel Keyes' FBI interviews alluded to a lot of this. He would pre-visit areas and bury tools, sometimes coming back years later to retrieve them. He talked about opportunities in the outdoors and trails, and missing persons that had been assumed to have accidents. Just something for you to dig into if you're interested
Absolutely!!!
Similar to the premise of the Hostel franchise, the human mind can be a frightening place and I don't doubt there are individuals or even groups of people who would do that.
This lines up with the Eloise story also on this channel
I remember listening to a podcast episode of National Park After Dark and hearing the story of a guy who had been hiking along the Appalachian Trail for several days and feeling like he was being followed for a couple of those days. Then one night he woke up to several dirty men trying to cut his hammock down. He cut himself free with his knife (his hammock had mosquito netting) and ran off, losing his pursuers but also getting himself lost.
I personally doubt they were cannibals but they clearly weren't there for a polite chat either. Maybe they only wanted to rob him, maybe worse. But people like that may be responsible for some of these disappearances certainly.
6:03 a little note is that Neanderthals and other close homo sapien relatives is that we interbred with them and they had their own culture and language so we definitely did see them as human, people today would probably think they looked weird though! Neanderthals specifically adapted to a slightly different niche in a slightly different area which led to slight physical differences
People of European descent are estimated to have 1-6% Neanderthal dna I believe!
There are Neanderthal cave paintings and cave paintings by other species in the homo genus as well!
Thank you! I don't get why people still use homo neanderthalensis as the ultimate example of "dumb cavemen" when more and more findings indicate they were not that much different from homo sapiens.
Also that picture he's showing at 30:06 is definitely no neanderthal. Looks more like australopithecus, no?
there's a lot of "wild man" stories in Italy, especially in the central, more forested regions. They are described as the usual tall man covered in fur, however they are never malevolent, and are actually quite intelligent and usually friendly. It sometimes kidnaps women and children, for the explicit purpose of repopulating his own race. However, all stories agree that they have gone extinct due to human expansion.
Friendly, kidnaps ocassionally
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@@cameron.t in the stories it is generally agreed upon that italian wildmen resorted to kidnapping once their numbers began to decline due to human expansion and destruction of their habitat. It is immoral but was a last resort of sorts.
When are we gonna give the Itslians a break!?!
They are friendly, accept for tge kidnapping and rape of women. Yikes!
That seems unlikely. There are over 6000 abandoned towns and villages in Italy. Surely they occupy one or two of them discreetly. Some such towns are beautiful. Many of them are actually.
So this is just for my area and doesn't explain weird stuff like headless bodies, but I live near a national park that has some dissapearences/"mysterious" drownings and occasionally we get people coming around asking about local legends and the paranormal. And considering we're deep in the Appalachian mountains we do have plenty of those, but when they ask about the park most people just shrug and say a sinkhole got them. The whole area's full of limestone and holes open up all the time.
Depending on the hole it can be an actual hole but sometimes stuff gets sucked down and the dirt fills back in and all you get left with is a slight indent in the ground. If one opens up in the lake and someone's swimming too close they can get caught in the current as it fills the chamber and drown.
Depending on the size of the sinkhole it can be loud like a big tree falling or it can be a muffled cracking sound. Sometimes they don't make a sound at all and you just find a hole in your yard the next morning. There was a boy my great grandpa knew back when he was ~10ish that went missing in the area. It was a case of "he rounded the bend and when we caught up he was just gone." Men from town came to search and noticed a dip in the trail a few feet deep and when they started scooping dirt out with their hands they found the top of the boy's head. The earth literally just decided it was gonna eat him.
I'm trying not to make this sound like a new hole's cracking open every minute cuz it really isn't *that* bad, but it's enough to be an issue. And even if everyone's pretty sure a sinkhole killed someone, you usually don't find a body to confirm so they just end up as a cold case. This doesn't even cover the non-locals that wander off the trail and want to explore some "cave" they found. This happened a couple years ago and at first nobody could find the woman but then someone heard really quiet yelling and found a hole on the side of an enbankment. They looked in and saw the bottom of the woman's sneakers where she thought she could wiggle on in and got stuck 🙄
That being said, when someone goes missing or mysteriously dies on our stretch of the Trail or the Blue Ridge Parkway everyone casually says the tree lights or cave people took them lmao. The dichotomy of mountain folk XD
Seeing how Celts held the Forrests and other lands in such high regard I'm sure if anyone has really seen something it would have been them.
It's so wild that I just watched a video where a law firm is a sponsor
I have a Native American friend in Appalachia who says that he and other people in his clan have been chased by feral humans.
Sure buddy. We believe you & your imaginary Native American friend 😅
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rude
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wait hold up, what's so unrealistic about be having a Native American friend? Like, that seems like a weird thing to get hung up on
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He's obviously just using the standard format of response to mock you for posting such an unrealistic and unsupported claim.
*I* would say that it seems a little bit weird for *you* to get hung up on him using the obvious stereotype response and coming across so defensive about it, rather than recognizing it as the half-joke that it is.
The insecurity provides even *more* doubt to whether or not you *actually have* a native friend, and *I* didn't even think to doubt *that* part of the story until *you* got defensive about it...
@@eidolon1426 It wasn't that it was questioning, it was moreso that it felt so mocking over something as simple as me saying I have a friend of ___ ethnicity. I also don't feel I was being particularly defensive, my initial reply just being a neutral "rude", followed up by something I thought about later as the social interaction popped back into my mind.
OK, not *exactly* feral people but more on the 'scary hillbilly horror movie' trope you should watch Dale and Tucker vs Evil. It's a horror comedy and honestly one of my favorite movies. It's really a fun twist on the genre.
I loved that movie. x)
They hate my face! 😆
It really is fucking great
He just up and hucked himself into the wood chipper
YES! I loved that movie! And the wood chipper scene is one of my favorites
The acting in this was superb, and the ending approaches with an exceedingly well-written twist that flips the horror villain trope on its head.
"Breeding ritual"... not sure why I find this phrase so amusing, but I sure do.
The story of Zana the wild woman is interesting. She was recorded as being covered in hair, and large in stature. Stronger than any man, and as fast as a horse. She was captured in the Caucus Mountains in Russia. She was given as a gift to some Lord or noble I think, and was kept in the town over which they presided. She was eventually "domesticated", but always refused clothes. She was raped by men in the town and gave birth to children, from whom there are still living descendants. A DNA analysis of remains from Zana and her son showed a significant amount of lineage coming from Africa, certainly out of place for someone in the Caucus Mountains. There are historical pictures of Zana's children, who all seemed to live normal lives, however are noticably taller and more harry than their peers.
Poor woman. Seems the raping men were the real ferals.
Definitely Sasquatch
BS
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@@phantom_mserafiyou can look it up bro bro. It's got historical evidence and literal living descendants that are visibly tall and hairy. It's not "BS" Its at. Her being a sasquatch or of sasquatch descent is obviously questionable. But OP didn't mention sasquatch, they just stated a genealogical abnormality.
thank you for being informed and aware of harmful stereotypes. appalachian people generally really are some of the best people you'll ever meet. sincerely, an appalachian woman
Idk why but i heard "the lore lodge" as "the war on lunch" says a lot about the internet that i didnt question this at all
I firmly believe that most missing person cases in which the person disappeared in the woods is just a skill issue. Even “experienced woodsmen”, whatever people think that means, are susceptible to the forces of nature.
Do not go off of the trail.
Do not go alone.
Do not stay in the woods if the weather turns foul.
Leave the woods if you suspect you are being followed, that’s probably a bear.
It’s not a playground.
The CZcams channel Soft White Underbelly has a series of videos following the Whittaker family. They live in very rural Appalachia and are the result of generational inbreeding. I think this series gives a profound insight into these people's existence, and de-stigmatizes those born into and through such circumstances.
Everybody loves Ray.... I have been keeping abreast of the impact that he has placed upon the whittakers. I wish only for the best for them. They are so happy and content.
Yes and he needs to stop exploiting this family. Cool to interview and ask if people want to donate to help them, however, it is not cool for him to now bring a female journalist to start doing the same so they both can profit from these continuous videos. Its so sad that this family believes they're genuinely their frirnds, not realizing they're actually being portrayed as a freak show/made fun of. People who genuinely want to help.others to not have the need to showboat...Dude needs to move on. Its shameful.
Few years ago we went hiking and came across a wolf that was in a very bad way. Now wolves don't naturally live in my country so we were puzzled. Restrained it, gave it a lot of water and food and carried it back out of the forest for wildlife services to come get it. Turns out it escaped from a sanctuary where wolves go after people who illegally import them do not want them anymore. Moral of the story is that even though something does not fit the area, you need to keep an open mind that it might be an animal from another continent. Especially in this day and age where you can buy just about anything. I mean this wolf looked like a creature from a horror movie. It was in a very very bad way. Could have easily passed for a fairytale monster
this isn’t new either. haven’t rich people always dabbled in exotic pets?
About a year ago there was an emu that escaped a sanctuary of some kind and ran around in the Rockies. You know, the Western American mountain range notoriously close to Australia lol
@@Kayla_P99 hahaha that gave me such a good laugh now
This is one of the theories explaining the beast of Gevodan
@@Quincy_Morris I'll look that up. Thanks
Hey There! Absolutely adore your content, just wanted to pop in here and correct one thing that I don't think has been mentioned. Not to annoy just because it's in my area of study. (Cultural Anthropology)
There aren't actually anymore hunter gatherer/purely foraging people groups left roaming the earth today. Except for possible the sentinel Island people but I think they are horticulturalists themselves. Nowadays, due to expansion of world powers and human developmental sprawl and land/earth resource overuse, the last major Foraging groups have been forced out of their way of life because they did not have enough land to live off of. These people being the Ju!/hoansi people of Southern Africa and the Baaka people of the Ituri forest.
I wish I could say these groups still existed with this pattern of survival, but sadly it is just unsustainable now, and the neolithic revolution has reached us all.
You are correct in your descriptions of their ways of life and patterns of movement though, and I adore your addition of these groups into your video essay, it was nice to see.
P.S. Please fellow Anthropology specialists add on or correct me anywhere I am mistaken, I am writing this at 1am by memory.
Aren't the Hadza hunter gatherers?
Were they "forced out of their way of life" by "land/resource overuse", or did they just change their way of life themselves because they wanted food security, a better standard of living, and a lower likelihood of dying from minor injuries or easily treatable diseases?
Because the latter seems a lot more likely to me. The former sounds more something that you're supposed to say if you want to get good grades in Cultural Anthropology classes.
“Only a few months of near starvation” dude I’m surprised he lasted THAT long without eating someone.
Right? This dumbass is acting like the guy started eating people as a midnight snack
You say a few months of near starvation like it was merely an afternoon without takeout (regards the Donner Party). That's a long time to go without food.
I don’t think we ever truly know what we’re capable of until pushed to the brink
Holly, I agree. "The Walking Dead" brilliantly displayed that.
i love your little smirk after you've said,nice moustache ryan xD
‘Only a few months of near starvation before he started eating people’ my bro you would eat people after a few weeks. You have no idea what hunger does to you.
yeah i can’t believe he acted like starving to death for months is no big deal
The idea of there being an above ground uncontacted native tribe in North America is basically impossible, even with the vast forests. Especially the idea that the Forest Service has to be actively containing them. Pretty much every native tribe in the West got forced onto a reservation by the military at some point.
Yeah the federal government has zero reason to tolerate and protect some nomads that also just randomly kill American citizens
Yeah, yeah. The government is soooooo competent at everything they, no way a group of people could evade them. 😂
Over government lost a fighter jet left supplies and modern equipment to terrorists and half of the terrorists are made by the usa and people getting lost in the woods and dying is extremely common in the USA its still mostly forest or woodlands or areas nobody could explore due to how dangerous and expensive it is to explore it
I find it hard to believe there are feral, thriving populations, but as times are hard, more-and-more people are forced out of society into the fringes... and it's understandable that some of those driven out of society will purposely disregard the norms of society and be seen as "feral." But thriving populations? Unlikely.
Got suggested this channel because of Mr B. So glad I did because you’re awesome!
I appreciate u being self reflective and critical and evolving in your views. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of the small mind." -RW Emerson
there's a type of cannibal that won't eat people that are missing toes. They're lack-toes intolerant :D
Hehehehe.🤣
It's just funny to hear someone who has never dealt with starvation say they would never eat someone.. The will to survive can make you do anything, but keep thinking you would never do this or that if it makes you feel some kind of way I guess.
That ad was so smooth fr like I didn’t see it coming 😭
One side of my family is from the very deep backwoods of Appalachian mountains and idk if I would consider them Farrell or not but they are extremely close to it.. I'm talking about people who have never left the mountain never been in a city not even a super small country town.. they live 100% off the land grow and hunt for food make clothing the whole thing... they have their own language that's loosely based on English but its not English.... I had heard my grandparents talk about the "hill folks" but never really thought it was like that but I got to go see the old family land and I got to see and exspericance (the best word I can come up with to explain the situation) the way they live and its incredible that people are able to live that way in 2023 ....
That's not at all what it means to be feral but your family sounds super cool I am very jealous of them
You should document them. Record a video with them. How they talk, live, how they make clothes. That is very fascinating and it’s worth it so that history can remember them.
I didn't believe you until you showed that you do indeed have your own version of English. "Exsperiance"--- is this similar to the English word "experience"?
@@nippolopolis4431 don't be mean.
@@nippolopolis4431 I'm dying laughing at this 😂