Montreal's Commuter Rail Network Evolution
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- čas přidán 10. 01. 2021
- From its beginning in 1982, Montreal's commuter rail network grew to over 58 stations, spanning 256 kilometres (159 miles). This animated video takes you through the timeline of when new lines and stations were opened, forming the exo Commuter Train network that we know today.
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Montreal Exo 1 Vaudreuil-Hudson commuter train
Montreal Exo 2 Saint-Jérôme line commuter train
Montreal Exo 3 Mont-Saint-Hilaire commuter train
Montreal Exo 4 Candiac commuter train
Montreal Exo 5 Mascouche commuter train
Montreal Exo 6 Deux-Montagnes commuter train
Great job Zach for nailing every French station names in Montréal's commuter rail network!
I havent lived/been in Montreal in years. Im surprised to see that the Deux-Montagne line is gone, and most importantly the change from AMT to EXO
This video is missing mentions of the new REM (because it's not finished and hasn't opened yet), which in part is repurposing the Deux-Montagne line and replacing it with a high frequency service, as well as splitting off for a West Island service and an airport connection.
What change frequency is poor
because the REM
@@WhiskyCanuck 5 min frequency during peak hours and 15min off peak from Deux-Montagnes to Gare Centrale.This portion of the REM is supposed to open at the end of 2024.
I still think they're making horrible mistakes by eliminating through service and requiring transfers. Through trains increase ridership by reducing the time cost of transfers. I mean, a transfer is better than no transfer (which is why relocating stations to enable transfers makes sense), but a through train is almost always a good idea. Even if the through train is a few minutes slower on a through train, most people prefer the certainty it provides.
REM d'Est seems to intent to replace the Mascouche line now that the blue line extension is underway, and the proposed Laval extension to the REM mainline would effectively replace half the Saint-Jérôme line. It's not looking too good for Hudson given it looks like the REM intends to replace EXO, which would be good for commuters as a whole but bad for them specifically since I doubt a REM extension to Vaudreuil replacing the Vaudreuil-Hudson line could justify extending to there.
Yes I believe they should still keep the current/new route into downtown on the Mascouche Line
@@robmausser between the REM de l'Est and the blue line extensions, the Mascouche line south of the transfer for the REM de l'Est will be redundant.
@@ZontarDow agree to disagree. They service two completely different types of traveler and travel pattern. Majority of people on mascouche want to get downtown and do not wish to transfer.
@@robmausser they can wish to not transfer all they want, if the line stats open they'll still need to transfer onto the REM, REM de l'Est, a bus or the Blue Line to the Orange Line. The REM physically can't take an EXO train rolling onto it when it opens. Best case scenario is the REM de l'Est expanding north to eat the entire line up like the main line did with Deux Montagues.
Why have i just found out about this channel. AMAZING WORK. love it
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Will you redo your Montreal Metro Network video since we now got the addition of the REM B, some REM A stations name change and Blue line extension that weren't in your last video?
Yep it’s on my list to do. REM B probably won’t be included though as my criteria is that a construction tender has to have been issued.
As someone who lived in Saint-Isidore most of her life.. THIS IS WILD.. I knew there were rail tracks at one point..but TO MONTREAL!? I'm really interested in learning what lead to the decision to have this setup (even if it was short-lived).. The population of Saint-Isidore in the early 90s must have been ~2k.. Thanks so much for sharing!!!
I checked a map and the line was abandonned.
Awesome video!! Can't wait for more
Very well made interesting video. An excellent record. 🌟
The numbers and colours are of course in constant flux. The ARTM and the STM are planning changes again but nothing is set yet because they’ll have to agree with the REM which is doing its own thing a bit.
It would take a very deep dive but it would be interesting to go back in time back from 1982. I grew up near “Val Royal,” now Bois-Franc, and often took the old CN line. It was very convenient even if the rolling stock was ancient.
Historically all the CN and CP lines had some kind of commuter service mixed with intercity service. Parc (then Jean-Talon) had local services all the way to the Laurentians and to Trois-Rivières for example. My Dad grew up in the 1930’s at Valois and he even had a choice between taking the CN or the CP services into the city (old Bonaventure station for the CN, where the ÉTS is now).
And then there was the fabled, venerable “Montreal and Southern Counties” railway, was what we would now call a tram-train, serving from a little station at Wellington and McGill, taking what is now the north roadway of Victoria Bridge, and going as far as Granby.
Bonaventure: Ghislain is quite correct. To be extra precise: it’s where the old planetarium is.
Val Royal: there I beg to differ since I used it often from early childhood until I moved away from my father’s house in 1990.
The old station house of Val Royal was between Grenet and Marcel-Laurin on the south side of the tracks.
The old platforms didn’t even go over Marcel-Laurin.
It was a charming old building, reminiscent of English stations. You really felt like you were in a rural village station in the 1920’s.
It had a common waiting room with an oil stove and a station master’s office to the side.
You could even buy tickets to the entire CN network there.
Montreal barely has a commuter rail network anymore. The closure of the Deux-Montagnes line means that the Mascouche line will now terminate at Côte-de-Liesse, not connecting to other RTM lines, and the Mont-Saint-Hilaire line is the only RTM service left at Gare Centrale. And that's on top of the fact that many Saint-Jérôme trains don't continue all the way into downtown since the route is so indirect that people are better off transferring to the metro at De la Concorde or Parc.
I suppose it's not the end of the world to have a smattering of disconnected commuter rail lines given that they do connect to other rail services even if they don't connect to eachother. But it does put more strain on the metro systems than more comprehensive systems like the GO rail system.
I think part of the idea is to use the REM as commuter/regional service. Vancouver has something similar with Skytrain now going far out into the Suburbs. Mind you Commuter Rail (the West Coast Express) is a far more pleasant way to travel than the Skytrain during rush hours.
I think that it is a shame that Montréal is scraping it's heavy rail infrastructure for an exclusive REM technology. Toronto does is better. Keeping heavy rail allows for infinite extensions and connexions for the future. The REM will be frequent but limited in it's capacity and they will as us to pay a lot to extend their plateforms for longer trains. We didn't have to scrap the classic heavy rail infrastructure for better transit. This is actually much more about privatization in disguise because localities will have almost no power on the REM (they answer to the PM only) and with the current interest rates only a third world country would need such an uneasy partner to build transit. They sell is as an insurance against risks while actually there is no "risk" at building transit, especially in a city that uses it so much. And the REM promoter shows major lack of transparency and is not willing to compromize on details because the want Montréal to be the showcase of their developpement model for the indebt third world nations where they want to go next.
@@MirejeLenoir4670 Can’t they just extend the REM tracks if they needed to?
@@disappointingmarbleraces9028 That would be at the price of rail connexions with the rest of the province and the rest of the country. And Montréal being and island it could become tricky.
I think that this rail/technology change is unecessary as the Ontarian example shows us. The main and actual vilain are the CN and the CP that don't care about cities and passenger rail and commuting. They keep Canada backward and force us to use weird and costly ways to get around them such as building an alternative rail right over it.
In a better world, keeping the same standard as the rest of the continent is the best, most efficient and most economic thing to do.
4:08 i appreciate you rolling the R on "respectively" lol
Delson on the CPR Adirondack Sub is a contraction of Delaware and Hudson. This is where D&H’s Canadian subsidiary Napierville Junction Railway connects to the Adirondack Sub.
LOVE the new intro!
great timing on this video
If all these changes aren't enough to get lost, nothing is!
As an ex Montrealer now living in Western Canada, who rode the Deux-Montagnes line extensively and sometimes the Lakeshore line and now aware of exo and where it all goes, I had a hard time following the comment, it was a bit too fast; to I had to watch several times, because the graphics on the screen changed too rapidly in some of the commentary. A good balance would have been to leave the change on for 10 seconds, rather then 5. CZcams allows that extra time. I know, having 57 videos here, including one on the DM line when it was still run by CN. Great job and much appreciated. The commentary was also a bit too rushed to fully absorb.
Very interesting! Any interest in doing a similar video on the Auckland commuter rail network? It follows more of an S-Bahn style service, which is quite common in this part of the world
Hi! What do you use to do the train line schema?
I didn't know about those 1990 temporary lines !
I only knew bout the metropolitrain.
Hi , i definitely love the music that was in this review , was dancing to it half the time lol . Sorry i missed ya on the NJT RAIL video collab but when you get around to Metro-North & LIRR please let me know . i would like to do a collab , and would love to use this same music from the Montreal Commuter Rail video :) thanx
Great Video... but one thing you failed to capture is the useless frequency of the line on the West Island (going to Vaudreuil). Because it uses shared tracks with cargo (CP rail), you basically have service exclusively in rush hour... a handful of trains, and then it is like 1 train every two hours... That line should really be a dotted one...
pronunciation guide: ahuntsic: a-Hun-sick (emphasis on the hunt.) I can tell you tried hard to get the French right, and you did pretty well in most cases, but this one, I could not understand... only got it by reading at the same time.
Given where the REM d'Est and REM Sud lines are being proposed, as well as the Laval portion of the main line, I think it's safe to say that REM will likely replace the entire network slowly but surely. Not that that's a bad thing, small frequent automated transit on dedicated trail is better then infrequent rushhour only transit shared with cargo lines.
Because in the 1990 plan, there was a commuter rail network from Montreal to St Isidore, and now Montreal's commuter rail network has been connected to Cadiac, but there is no news that it may continue to connect to St Isidor.
What became of the Deux Montagnes line? Was the track lifted or will it be repurposed? I live in the UK and we had a series of short sighted rail cuts in the 1960s due to poor cost effectiveness but now the population has grown significantly, there are moves to reverse these cuts where possible. It pains me to see you guys (possibly) making the same mistake.
By the way, I commend your production quality! Just subscribed👌
The Deux Montagnes line is being converted into a metro line as part of the REM project - see Zach's video on the Montreal metro.
The only experience commuting north in Montreal was a few years driving during rush hour northwest on the 15 to get to the 50, then Ottawa. The traffic was horrific -- some of the worst I experienced. It baffles my why the Deux-Montanges line was removed given the commuter pressue from that direction. The drive to Ottawa from the 50/148/344 along the Laurentians and Ottawa River is gorgeous, especially in the fall. There are/used to be tracks along a lot of that route. I can only imagine what the train used to be like.
The Deux-Montanges line is being replaced with a new 'light metro' (REM) that will take the same route, add new stations at McGill, and then continue to Brossard. The new trains will run every 2.5 to 15 minutes.
@@nawafbahadur2501 That sounds great! I guess I have to watch RMTransit's Montreal REM | Demystified.
@@MikeDS49 His videos are a great place to start!
@@nawafbahadur2501 The project is quite exciting with ample reuse of existing infrastructure. I'm looking forward to it coming online -- even though I'll likely not be able to ride it for a long time, if ever.
The new REM is currently under construction. It uses the same route as the old deux-montagnes line, so it had to close. That portion of the REM is supposed to open in late-2024. In the meantime, there busses connecting to the metro, although it’s not great.
i like it how he just pronouces all the stations wrong, i mean they are *french* but it feels so funny
Why was service to Saint Isidore ended and where can I find the remains of the tracks in google maps?
very well informative video, montreal has a good commuter not somuch junction, greeting new friend
Montreal's commuter rail line EXO has transformed from being their answer to the GO trains in Toronto to being their own version of the skytrain in Vancouver in the wake of the soon to be opening of the automated REM. At least the trains are still running to Vaudreuil, Mascouche, and Mont Saint Hilaire.
and saint jerome
St-Jérôme/Candiac lines too!
Oh no! I was wanting to see the electric trains so badly. That's wild they got rid of it!
Are you going to do one on NJ Transit, the LIRR, Metro North or the NYC Subway
NJ Transit is tentatively schedule for July, the rest of them will be closer to the end of the year
The last of the stcum comet ii cars were just retired.
“Light Metro Line” - thanks for translating Metro léger correctly for the REM, instead of the lazy “LRT” used by anglophone media 👏👏
Anglophones = failure
& you suppose it be just 'anglo' media? WTF must you have been?....you needn't applaud this *corporate turd's* output either, e.g., it snubs 1800s.....
+ the little shit gives no nod either to the island's underground music scene, judging by its phonily jolly muzak
@@trainrover I agree with you on this. It's inappropriate.
yeah, and then them petty squabbles over m e r e corporate nomenclature @ branding still tend to fuckingly follow
it's "ah-hunt-sic"
Mightcha've also noticed its muddled self carries French pronounciations into its Englishesqueness? 4:10(?) *_«... Rheuspektyfflee, ...»_* Its output's also awfully corporate-centric, such that it can't seem to paint FOR SHIT either..........oo la
Corporateria even bought out Black & Blue, and never e v e r do they nod to the inception preceding the advent of their filthy corporate wrangling when, for example, celebrating 'their' toffee-nosed jubilees. Plus, just think what its handle might signify, e.g., underbellies a-surfacing ??????????????
What song is this
can you do the Long Island Railroad?
Could you also do Chicago?
Why is there no connection between Montreal and St Isidore's commuter rail network? The Montreal's commuter rail network is now connected to Cadiac. Is it possible to continue to connect to St isidore? thank you.
The tracks to Saint-Isidore have been abandoned unfortunately. They used to meet the Candiac line just west of Delson
Now it’s mexico’s city turn
1991 is when my home station was made it is pincourt-terrasse- vaudreuil
I dont think I understood half the words you said in this video!
Just wanted to let you know that the St. Isadore line was used during a blockade caused by the mohawk Indian.
Will the Deux Montagnes line reopen
Edit: now I know about the REM
It Should Reopen
Us English montrealers call Gare Centrale Central Station.
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And all of this happens while Toronto continues to argue about which plan and service that MIGHT build in about 1,000 years!
I like Toronto's keep in mind it is North America's award winning transit system , year after year . Has Montreal ever won an award and it took them years to air condition The Montreal Transit . We move in Toronto more people in a day ,than Montreal moves in 3 days .Beat that Montreal can't and never will! Montreal and Quebec are a yesterday place , blame The FLQ .
@@Jay-vr9ir are you talking about their commuter rail or everything(bus,metro,train)
Quiz: Who was first to get multilevel in 2006 Was it NJT Or AMT or Marc
NJT, Then Us (Rode on em) Then MARC.
Correct
Were, getting, 10 chargers. Holy s@$t.
Being a comutter on the EXO line to Pointe clare. The service is not great off peak.
Poor Gare Central. Only One line Will Go There. So Exo Via Transfers Will Be Limited!
It's still got two other lines going to it given the REM goes through it connecting Deux-Montagnes, the airport, Anse-à-l'Orme and the south shore. REM de l'est will also make getting to Gare Central easy with just one transfer onto the REM mainline.
@@ZontarDow I Ment With Commuter Trains.
@@brendanu1680 the REM is a replacement commuter train network
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Wow... Montreals Commuter Rail makes no sense, why have many different termini and why don't all of the lines connect in the center? Montrealers like to say that Montreal is better than Toronto yet the only thing superior here is the rolling stock. GO Transit just makes more sense imo
I think it had to do with the history of the railroads in Montréal and where they built their termini. For example CN that has been running the Deux-Montagnes line starting in 1918 used to have a downtown terminal that was eventually replaced by Central Station today. CP had their West Island service starting in 1889 ending at their terminus at Windsor Station, which is really just a block away from Central Station, and both being connected to the Bonaventure Métro Station. But then developers with no foresight into the future of public transportation decided to push that terminus back to where it is today. And unlike Toronto, Montréal never decided on having a Union Station. And so today the lines using CN trackage end at Central Station and the lines using CP trackage end at Lucien-L'Allier and it's not really possible to have all the trains meet in one station without adding tracks to link the two networks. And then there's the oddity of the Mascouche Line that only after a few years of operation decided to cut access to the Mont-Royal Tunnel and not having any rush hour extension like the Saint-Jerôme Line, instead relying on the Métro to get people downtown.
Montréal used to have a few other railway termini, such as the Viger station in the east, but then CP decided to close that and have all their passenger trains end at Windsor Station.
@@priestpilot That is very very complicated but very interesting history, thank you
Look at Chicago 😂 and NYC They also have multiple terminals that are isolated
@@qjtvaddict Yeah but they're atleast in midtown and have great Subway connections
Lmao we don't think at all that it's better than Toronto. I'm actually jealous of Toronto transit (except the traffic lmao).
These stations were all renamed as part of Quebec nationalism 😂
The service is bad...