The REAL Reason Why ℌệ𝔫𝔱ằ𝔦 Censoring is SO WEIRD
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"the lightsaber"
Don't you hate it when you get down and dirty with your girl then suddenly Duel of Fates starts playing?
You both got lightsabers?
I'm not judging your orientation, just asking.
@@carlorielmendez6505 Well, you know how someone once said, "it sometimes takes a real man to become best girl"?
I rarely see any manga or doujin artist speaking so fluent English, gotta appreciate this man for coming to the podcast!
He grew up in the US
This is a big problem we're facing in Commonwealth countries (Australia, Canada, UK, ect). The government has such a big hand in allowing what people can consume. Adults should be treated as such and left alone.
I didn’t read the title just looked at the thumbnail and expecting a food tangent but this is better
I never understood the censorship in doujins. And this “appealing to western markets” idea doesn’t make much sense either.
There’s no censorship over here. People would freak in America if censorship laws passed! They’d be screaming about the first amendment, and the government becoming a communist regime!
I get the whole, no porn mags in family mart thing. But the online stuff shouldn’t be bunched into that global image idea.
The West doesn't mean just America tho
When he meant censorship in the west, he wasn't referring to the actual mosaic and black bars, he was more referring to the content of the hentai like he said, less beastialty, less lolli and so on. The actual censorship is just a by-product of their governments rules.
@@A_itsar you think Europeans with topless beaches would stand for this? It’s already assumed we wouldn’t be okay with something like that. Puritan America however? Now that’s a question.
In terms of pirated content, its a sliding scale between (anything goes)US to Australia. Actual publishing that moves money, like fakku, is a whole other story.
We get dicks and vaginas on TV here in Finland, seeing them in sauna scenes is pretty normal. Nudity overall isn't that big of a taboo. I see it plenty in public mixed saunas and even in the army where both women and men are naked in some trainings and tents. We just don't sexualize nudity
Censorship because of international eyes will inevitably make everything dull
Censorship kills creativity
Especially considering I thought the physical copies would be uncensored
This type of censorship exists to protect people from harm. And to be frank, I think it's long over due.
@@flowerpower3082 Does it though? I have a hard time seeing how an adult is necessarily harmed...
@@flowerpower3082 To protect the weak minded and ignorant
@@flowerpower3082 so to clarify, seeing genitals in porn = harmed. Seeing genitals in real life = not harmed? How does that work?
I agree with this guys opinions 100%. He is here to push boundaries in fantasy, and wants nothing to stop him. And that's how it's should be. Fantasy is fantasy, you should be able to create whatever you want
Fiction is for pushing boundaries, and has always been this way, despite what some moral crusaders today might try to tell you.
If that’s what he really wanted he’d be working for a seinen mag. Porn mags have to have sex.
I don't agree. There should be limits to respect people's boundaries. Respect for others should always be a top priority.
@@flowerpower3082 no
@@flowerpower3082 See, normally that’d be a great lesson for like, real life relationships, but when it comes to fiction, it’s not like anyone’s being forced or held at gunpoint to look at doujins or mags or whatever that has content they don’t want to see.
Artists and writers should be free to make whatever they want (within reason) even if it’s weird or crazy or NSFW as *long* as they’re still decent people at the end of the day. That’s why the censorship doesn’t make much sense. Fantasy is fantasy.
And the censorship guidelines Japan enforces for the foreign market is so flimsy anyway. Who’s going to somehow feel a million times more comfortable just because a really thin black line covers a fraction of a naked body? If people don’t want to see NSFW or a certain kink or fantasy, they should just *not* read it, or have places separated by section irl, or by tag online. Which is already a thing!
And if there are still some sites and some places that display NSFW things publicly instead off in their own little sections, then obviously that should change. That much I can agree is just basic respect. People can still have access to these things, there’s just a specific section for them.
This doesn’t just apply to NSFW either. Delving into discomfort and dark themes and uncomfortable topics is what a lot of horror writers/artists/sound effects do to make their stories, and not all of them have deeper meaning to them. They want to make something scary.
Same for those that do write more more meaningful stories that tackle very uncomfortable topics but do so tastefully, which is also covered in the video. Horrible things happen in the real world but these days everything is always claimed to be “normalized” or that the author/creator must “condone” whatever dark things happen in their work just because they wrote it in. That’s asinine.
Sorry for jumping across so many topics. I wanted to cover everything since I wasn’t sure what your comment’s stance was about specifically.
Remove the pr0n magazines from conbinis, even though tourists were not allowed and the athletes only could leave the hotel to compete... Yeah, good old "blame the foreigners"
I mean the laws probably before Covid happened.
4:57 actually, in interspecies reviewers they had a scene where all their genitals were blocked by magic lights(I think, but it's been a long time since I watched it so I don't remember the exact details) and it was part of the plot
nice to see this be discussed because without insight like this it doesn't make much sense
The glowing ones are usually the good ones too 😮💨😂
You know that hentai doesn't normalize a thing when even Connor himself admits it doesn't even if he is against, now i want to know if in patreon version there was more to this conversation
Grant missed the chance to also talk about UBs.. or maybe they had it off-podcast
The “new” trend of the lightsaber isn’t so new to BL readers lol
I think this is adult manhwa in general 😂
So much culture here!
The real question is where can we get the uncensored versions?
For manga, outside of Japan. For anime, on the web release, sometimes.
Also, when it comes to doujins/mangas...seek the body of work of artists that you like, released in Tanks/Tankobons/Anthologies, along with works from other artists. They get more leeway there, usually.
The loophole is to publish it from outside of Japan iirc.
YES!
Fakku or uhh Sukebei
If they had a Japanese h*nti company based in the USA would that be a loophole for dojin artists
Edit :Man that sucks
They'd be in the heart of western twitter who probably wouldn't hesitate to attack them.
No they would be held to American standards for censorship then too and copyright laws
@@lakamokolaka There's no censorship in the US lol. No western adult cartoons/art or anything of the like has to be censored until it gets distributed where there are censorship laws.
There already are western publications that hire Japanese. The problem is that American market isn’t big enough to house them all.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Uhh no there is tons in fact.
Why do you think japanese game ports get censored here all the time?
Bravery default a good example of it of sexual themes having some restrictions or heck even mario rpg was censored for mentions of alcohol with grape juice.
Honestly its better than what they doing in korea just a white clouded area
I mean, the lightsaber thing is a close second to that...
What is the facial expression in the thumbnail ? 🤣
What's a flange?
you'll learn when you're older
The area between the shaft and tip I think
There are two kinds of people
You want the NSFW or the SFW version?
Wait fuck this was published today?
I actually really like censored doujin
9:06
I agree, but I think the caviat is that how the narrative is framed around a subject or act is really important.
Like, I'm sick of seeing rape in hentai being framed as normal or good. Sure, there's a market for that, but every sane person should feel uncomfortable while watching it.
From my personal adventures into hentai culture, most of the time sus tags tend to be portrayed unrealistically (such as physics, often lacks mental + physical consequences/expressions towards the sus) anyways thus easy to separate from reality.
(Some do portray realistically but they tend to go all the way then like Metamorph or similar depression porn) + hentai feels like a safe place for taboos/fetishes and fantasies to be satiated outside of reality.
I feel that it's fine to feel however you like with hentai as long as said fantasy doesn't spill into reality.
(Pretty sure most ppl into ex. hentai bestiality aren't too keen on indulging said fetish irl.
Sry for long msg :P)
but there's a lot of people with that fantasy, including women as the "recievers". There's even a show on netflix about that. It's a huge thing in BDSM communities. I think doing it in fantasy is ok. Like you see in fantasy a human and an huge insect, that will not make anyone in the world attracted to insects in real life. It doesn't translate at all.
@Victoria
I'm sickened that there is demand for rape hentai.
We live in a world where we understand the long term harms that are created when respect is not equally demonstrated.
Respect everyone. Reject disrespect.
Treat everyone the way you wish to be treated. Reject inequality.
@@flowerpower3082 In this context, respect doesn't mean jack shit if it infringes on the rights of others. Rights and liberties will and should always come first before morals and 'respect', if we wish to live in a democratic nation.
Judging by your other comments, for all your talk of respect and equality, it seems you don't respect others' freedom to express themselves in however they wish and deride that right in favor of your own. Doesn't sound like equality to me. Ironic, really.
@@rabenkonig6251 With freedom of expression, comes responsibility. We are all responsible for our own comments and the consequences of our actions.
"You know it's not socially acceptable"
That says it all, in my opinion.
On the serious topic, the fact that you have be troubled to say that most of “THIS” work are fantasies are insane to me. I live on the EAST so it’s fascinating and annoying at the same time. Thought police is out of control these days.
1:14 "there is a lot of puorn magazines here..."
Then dont look at them, world problem solved and censor would not have to be.
Sometimes its easier if you just mind your own damn buisness for everyone elses good. I tell you some of the content out there gets literally ruined because of these stoopid black stripes and blurs. Its such a shame. And all just because of some stuck up people that cant say alright everything can be uncensored but you have to make sure that children dont come into contact with the content. It would be so easy to manage that with little to no effort at all 🤷🏻♂️We are all grown ups and should have the right to see whatever the hell we want if it doesnt harm anybody. What i am talking about is a simple thing called freedom, in civilized countries it usually exists 👍🏻
😂.
Writing about something normalizes it? Then where are all the bland boring dudes with harems?
normalize, not make it possible in the first place.
I played gta since I was 8, never in my life I saw guns as a normal thing in my real life. Things don't translate like that unless the person is completly out of reality mentally.
@@paulogaspar8295 I believe we are influenced by all the media we consume. If not, advertising would not be the billion dollar industry it is.
@@paulogaspar8295 Normalization through mass media consumption is real, but it depends on several factors, like how easily the general society can make a thing permissible and also framing. War movies or military FPS normalize many ideas that are beneficial to the image of the military and are beneficial for recruitment. And that's exactly why the US military helps so much with the production of media like that.
Stuff like the peeping tom trope has to be handled with a lot of care in media nowadays, it used to be framed as harmless, a product of and also contributor to a toxic culture around sexual privacy of women.
I don't think there's a blanket statement that cover all media the same way, things have to be analyzed case by case. There's stuff normalized by porn that is harmful, but could be more of a product of the lack of access to sexual education. Lots of cogs moving together.
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What's the point? Hentai belongs in the shadows.
Politics
Censorshup goes "Random shit, go! *throws black lines, pixels and the unmatched power of the sun*"
We're not gonna talk about him trying to normalize Shota and Loli, are we?
Its fiction stop crying
@@t__d__h6087 its an opinion dont feel attacked
it's shindoL, don't like it? go back to watch naruto and leave the lolis alone
Did you just omit him trying to normalize bestiality? Lmao
@@damasake ohh, that part isn't the issue to the antis, after all the whole point they always try to make is purely based on hypocrisy
I'm glad Japan has finally cleaned up it's act. I remember being outraged and dumbfounded seeing porn outside certain shops, when I was in Japan. I had no idea it was available and visible in convenience stores, as I wasn't looking for it. But, I'm glad it's gone. It's a shame Japan only did this because of external scrutiny, rather than protecting it's own citizens from harm.
Fundamentally, this is about respect.
ha, you never been in a party on South America, I've seen worst shit in Brazil than in Japan (regarding lewd stuff)
@@allancoelho6905 the second you enter the continent your clothes are confiscated
you say its about respect and then disrespects the entire hentai industry by saying they "harm" citizens, shame on you
@@Ricardo_Rick Sorry for the late response. Please read my comment more carefully. My outrage and shock was in relation to seeing pornographic images on the street, in public. Naturally, this is not the norm in my country. Indeed, I am not aware of any country where porn can be seen on any street.
And yes, I believe the sexualisation of young girls is harmful (typically these were the images I saw, or infantilised women, who dressed as schoolgirls). And this applies to those girls/ women, their families, all females as well as men. So yes, everyone.
@@flowerpower3082 dude, there is a difference between drawings and real life man, it's the same old argument about violent games making people more violent