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I've heard that the safest way to get introduced to wingovers is to try to do them with weight-shift only.
Even though I've been doing them for years it never occurred to me to actually try it. Because the wind was strong, we had plenty of lift and an empty ridge so it was the perfect time to do it.
Turns out that compared to wingovers with the brakes, weight shift wingovers are much more sensitive to timing, and roll a lot more than yaw. In regular wingovers it's more a mix of the two.
If you have the right experience and environment to try it out, really recommend it :)
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That was one of the best landings I've ever seen! The weight shift really made your wing overs sharp with the brakes, nice one mate 👍
That's some great camera work Gemma!
This is great progression man. I did kiting with a "fake" throttle today to get use to the feeling before strapping a running motor on my back.
Nice video, thanks. I second the comments regarding hands on the brakes. Apart from the safety aspect, your body is also more compact and stable with your arms closer to the body/risers. Another comment concerning anatomy: It looks like you are lifting and stretching the outside leg while weight shifting. I would actually not recommend this. The stretched out leg does not have any weight shifting effect, but it actually makes tilting your pelvis more difficult - try it while sitting on a chair. So keep your lower legs hanging down. Some people prefer to cross the legs, but again, do not stretch them forward. Regarding timing: while training without breaks, you seemed to be slightly too early sometimes in my eyes, often interrupting the pendulum motion - especially in left turns. It actually seems you have a tendency for stronger weight shift to the right - which is your preferred turning direction in thermals (out of curiosity)? On other hand, during the wing over exercises with breaks, I would argue that your break input was slightly late. You, the pilot, had already passed the lowest point of the pendulum motion when you applied break. As a result, your wing flies slightly "upwards" while "slowly" yawing into the turn. Be earlier on the breaks and keep the nose pointing downwards. That way you gain speed which will keep the wing stable when the wingovers get higher. Your conclusive comment about how timing changes as the turns get higher, is correct. When the wing overs get higher, let the wing continue flying longer towards the ground and complete the turn. That is why you will end up with 180 degree turns rather than an S-shaped rolling motion, as @xephonism stated. Final comment, for completeness, having in mind newer pilots watching the video: do not forget the outer break to stabilize the outer wing during a high wing over turn! If not, you will get collapses. Practice with enough altitude and ideally under qualified instruction. Enjoy the summer and have some nice flights!! Cheers
So if you wait at the top of the swing when you are at the point where the wing is starting to actually dive and turn you can quickly lock your hips to the other direction and get that extra oomph up and rotate the wing. At the top its more of a dance with being light enough that you can quickly change directions and being loaded enough that your lines don't go slack.
I know you are pretty low on altitude at this site but if you want to get some nasty wingovers just a couple tips. You should look around you and pick a couple targets at however many degrees you feel you are comfortable with. Starting off look look 90 degrees to the right and 90 to the left, pick some kind of object there as your heading target. After you become confident you start making targets at 180 degrees and your goal should be to swing the wing flat with the horizon through "the gate" every time (you will know the gate when you hit it =p). Wingovers should follow the rhythm of LOOK at your target, LEAN into the turn, PULL until you are almost on your target, POP the brake a little at the end of the pull to make the wing level out and dive, LINK up with the outside brake to feel the pressure and keep the wing inflated, center your weight and go hands up in the dive, prepare to repeat. Imo its not a wingover unless its at least 180 degrees, otherwise you cant really get the full effect without looking like S turns. Your eyes should always be looking at your target and you have to make a conscious effort to feel that outside line, if you do not the wing tip you are not looking at (the high side) will blow off. After awhile you learn how to make them big then small and big again and know the timing. After that to get really big you should work on asymmetric spirals to work getting extra good at timing, then most people by this point understand all the dynamics of what can be done in turning. You can then start doing like 270 turns to get completely upside down.
Hey this is a very nice Wing you’ve got there especially with this color - looks like I’ve got the same :)
Good weight shift exercise. Hands on the brakes though. You do not have to use them but if something happenes You want to be ready. Your videos may only report Your personal learning by trying but the word learning in the title of Your videos may lead some people to the idea that they are indeed watching an instructional. However, not everybody has such lovely predictable conditions nor does everybody have Your level of expertise. Some viewers may get themselfes into trouble while trying to copy Your experiments. A few seconds for a disclaimer may in such case be a good investment. Other than this I love Your videos. They are indeed very inspirational.
Robert B : I hate disclaimers. People need to take their own responsabilities!!! Paragliding is risky ? YES! Perhaps you can die ? YES! if somebody is stupid enougth to learn paragliding on CZcams... let natural selection do it's job!
@@Uni1Lab quite right. And yet we are influenced by what we see. To be and act responsible may be our desire but our decisions are always coloured by what we see. Be it that we see other pilots struggling and think we cannot handle the conditions even though we actually might, or that we see others succeed and think we could too, though we might not. I myself have been influenced by Andre in a positive way(e.g. do more groundhandling )and would not copy the things I consider crazy. But not everybody is so selective... if this selection You propose would only consider those who act irresponsibly I wouldn't mind too much. But in the European Alps more and more places are getting closed for flying because some idiots did something stupid, and sometimes others get hurt.
It's still possible to get a collapse with wingovers without brakes, just saying...
8:52 is an amazing shot! Love it.
"Look Mum !! . . No hands !! :D"
Would love to fly at that location ! :)
Nice video Andre. I just started training these. I bet you have seen people going over the wing with only weight shift in a mere three swings. I think it helps if you do use the breaks just to start, with a break pull on either side on the first left+right swing. Another thing that helps a lot of keeping your legs tucked in rather than swinging them up and down; tuck them in tight by spreading your knees and bringing your feet back up, this helps with keeping your body symmetric.
Not really, never seen anyone doing weightshift-only wingovers and I was trying as hard as I can to do them bigger. Either I don't have the skill right or this glider just doesn't want to go there :)
@@AndreBandarra1 Ah yes, the glider doesn't seem very dynamic, noticed in an earlier video with the Misty Fails
@@AndreBandarra1 Your timing for the weight shift isn't right. You need to di it at the bottom of your pitch not at the upper. I am no good pilot and i can go over my wing after 3 weight shifts with no breaks.
cool i din't know that was possible. i'm wanting to ask my instructor to try that but he'll probably say no, you gotto keep hands on brakes at all times.
hm thats no wing over, as the name implies you have to be over the wing to call it a wing over,
thats just rolling but still a good practice but i would advice keep the brakes in your hand even if you dont use it.
Wingovers have been around since before paragliding, and what Anthony was doing classifies as a wingover, without the need to be above the wing
I'll also add that the timing of the weight shift is not correct. You need to change weight side at the bottom of your pitch.
Thanks for the vid.... wing over...yes.... your moves makes my moves better... so thank you very much...its all about baby steps... what a baby I am....But I am sure philipp don't need any help...
That was great practice!.......good stuff!!
Gemma, we want to see you fly too! Do it! Please!
I wood say that this is an Essential Training Exercise of any "Formal" ParaGliding or ParaMotoring course. So basic yet important 2 know the characteristics of weight change & it's effects. Thanks 2 U those instructors who C this might add it 2 their instruction...
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I'm getting jealous of you two... how much is rent over there? 🤣
Surely not first again ... now to enjoy this one.
If you work on timing , let the wing swing you over.
Those are no wingovers but wiggling 🤣
Ive liked most of your videos - until this one... you can practice weight shift wingovers just fine WITH your hands ON the brakes, without using them... particularly low airtime pilots - PLEASE recognise this video is NOT a tutorial - do not take your hands off the brakes.
Sure, if it works for you that's an even better solution. For me and my set of conditions it felt like an acceptable level of risk, but that doesn't mean this is a tutorial or that people should do the same :)
@@AndreBandarra1 - thats a fine point - but please keep in mind that you will have a LOT of newer pilots who MAY mistake it as such! ;) Just my two bobs worth mate - love watching your other videos though - keep up the good work!
yeah i do weight shift only to play sometimes, especially on miniwing, but always keep hands on because sometimes i still feel i need to check that outside tip so it doesn’t deflate
Absofuckinglutly!!!... Hands on the brakes... Just In Case!!!...
Come on ! Lots of new pilots actually do way worse than just letting her hands on the brakes while doing weight shifting roll. During this maneuver, the wing has energy but without brake it makes it nearly impossible to collapse. That a way better exercice for these new pilots than trying to do wings with too much brake, as we see very often, and so having big collapses.