Danny Yoo Yes, especially when you consider how familiar this symphony is. To completely rethink it and perform it with true passion and intensity shows the highest dedication to art.
Er ist irgendwie so vollkommen anders. Und gerade das macht ihn für mich so interessant. Seine eigene Art und Weise wie er den Musikern erklärt was er wie und warum haben will. Groß - und vor allem einzigartig!
Ich musste ihn und mehrere seiner Kollegen bei Proben und Konzerten fotografieren. Er war ein wirklich toller Dirigent, aber im Detail waren Kleiber und Abbado besser, tut mir leid ... Und vor allem Lennie, als der mit den Wienern die 10. Schostakowitsch probte, wie er sie ueber diese Pianissimo Stellen leitete, wie fein er da die Kleinigkeiten herausarbeitete, das war schon sehr eindrucksvoll.
@@samuel_rss2 Because this is a valid and fine translation. "Pathetisch" in German has a different meaning than the English "pathetic". Emotive, enthusiastic, dramatic, impassioned would also work.
In linguistics we call that a "false friend," words that sound similar (and may even have the same etymological origin) in two languages, but mean different thing. I don't have any source for this, but I would guess that "pathetic" probably comes from the Greek "pathos," which really just means emotional, often (but not always) relating to tragedy and suffering. It makes sense that its descendants have diverged into many different meanings in different languages. For example Beethoven's own Piano Sonata no. 8 is nicknamed "Pathétique," and in this context it certainly means "emotional" and not "pathetic."
Andy Milsten Harnoncourt used natural trumpets in his Beethoven renditions as the players could play as strongly as possible without the tone becoming blaring and overpowering.
Jason Hurd I know that, I was just confused at why they use them in a modern orchestra! I saw Paavo Jarvi (who is another sublime Beethoven conductor) at the New York Philharmonic in January, and I got the very rare privilege of talking to him after the show, and one of the questions I asked him was why he uses natural trumpets in a modern orchestra for Mozart and Beethoven, and he said because it sounds better with natural trumpets regardless! You know something else, I have a natural trumpet now. I got it at Baltimore brass for my 15th birthday, the best gift ever!
As fascinating as this is, it somehow makes me see Harnoncourt differently, in a negative way. He is very smart, very committed and knows what he wants, but there is something lacking, a passion that at heart is truly about the music. "Believe me, it is like that". "I am sure it is so". "I won this medal". It's also in his gestures and in his voice when he attempts to sing.
I've gotta say that now having paid attention to this rehearsal more, you are sort of right, especially during the first movement. I do think, though, that it's just Harnoncourt being carried away by his own ideas. Also he does take care to thank the musicians sometimes, and even when he stops he usually says "excuse me" or "Entschuldigung" (the German equivalent), something which a lot of conductors won't take care to do. Also the Chamber Orchestra of Europe has been working with Harnoncourt for 20 years by this point (including this very symphony), and from what they say about him they loved working with him, and they work with very few conductors. But I do agree that this doesn't really show Harnoncourt at his best, it's possible that the footage that was edited out might have shown him to better advantage.
What a privilege to see how they make art for us.
Thank you to every musician and tech involved in this production.
BRAVO
Exactly
How passionate he is...unbelievable
Danny Yoo Yes, especially when you consider how familiar this symphony is. To completely rethink it and perform it with true passion and intensity shows the highest dedication to art.
This is what makes him with kleiber my favorite conductors.. Great passion nad love!
God Harnoncourt is a treasure, what a riot it must have been. Great brass in this session too, they really nail it to the wall.
"Beauty can only found on the edge of failing." Harnoncourt
I know right … exactly explains how I am feeling now upon reflecting on my life
Our beloved and respected King of Austria says his musicians must now take notes of what the conductor says.
RIP maestro.
he knows exactly what it should be played and he delivered so clear instruction to the orchestra, fabulous!
Wonderful video thank you.
"It's a written-out fantasy", nice!
Now this is something wonderful.
I have enormous respect for musicians as I struggle to learn the piano with two left ears.
wonderful post. thanks a lot
Rehearsing with this guy must hvae been a real feast.
"beauty is on the edge of catastrophe"
Да, мужик
Brilliant
I introducento you, Dr. Harnoncourt. The God of detail.
Harnoncourt, Solti, Dudamel ... My kind of _ all or nothing_ kind of conductors !
Thought I knew this piece. He makes it new, which is what a conductor should do.
Bravissimo !!!
Hi, im going to play this peice!
9:05 Such a great change by the orchestra and interpretation from Harnoncourt
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Belíssimo vídeo!!! Amei maestro adorável nikolaus.
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Er ist irgendwie so vollkommen anders. Und gerade das macht ihn für mich so interessant. Seine eigene Art und Weise wie er den Musikern erklärt was er wie und warum haben will. Groß - und vor allem einzigartig!
Ich musste ihn und mehrere seiner Kollegen bei Proben und Konzerten fotografieren. Er war ein wirklich toller Dirigent, aber im Detail waren Kleiber und Abbado besser, tut mir leid ... Und vor allem Lennie, als der mit den Wienern die 10. Schostakowitsch probte, wie er sie ueber diese Pianissimo Stellen leitete, wie fein er da die Kleinigkeiten herausarbeitete, das war schon sehr eindrucksvoll.
I feel like I've heard this music somewhere before...
Genius.
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Der Witz mit den Darmsaiten ist einfach herrlich.
@Ab BWarum schaust's Dir dann an?
They say conductors are 'super musicians'
Different interpretation. Not bad. Not bad at all. Very interesting.
Thanks for sharing
Not bad, simply the best interpretation of the piece.
1:04:02 why is m Harnoncour: triumphiert ist immer pathetisch and the translation say emotional?
1:04:24 *
@@samuel_rss2 Because this is a valid and fine translation. "Pathetisch" in German has a different meaning than the English "pathetic". Emotive, enthusiastic, dramatic, impassioned would also work.
In linguistics we call that a "false friend," words that sound similar (and may even have the same etymological origin) in two languages, but mean different thing. I don't have any source for this, but I would guess that "pathetic" probably comes from the Greek "pathos," which really just means emotional, often (but not always) relating to tragedy and suffering. It makes sense that its descendants have diverged into many different meanings in different languages.
For example Beethoven's own Piano Sonata no. 8 is nicknamed "Pathétique," and in this context it certainly means "emotional" and not "pathetic."
50:16
Some of the younger faces comparing with Yannick 2017 Beethoven 6.
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12:58 What about Eroica?
True
And Fidelio
Almost everything Beethoven composed was political ffs. Still, I dig this interpretation
at 19:00 eine erhabene Anschau
Why baroque trumpets?
Andy Milsten Harnoncourt used natural trumpets in his Beethoven renditions as the players could play as strongly as possible without the tone becoming blaring and overpowering.
No valves until Beethoven 9 ( in horn 4)
Jason Hurd I know that, I was just confused at why they use them in a modern orchestra! I saw Paavo Jarvi (who is another sublime Beethoven conductor) at the New York Philharmonic in January, and I got the very rare privilege of talking to him after the show, and one of the questions I asked him was why he uses natural trumpets in a modern orchestra for Mozart and Beethoven, and he said because it sounds better with natural trumpets regardless! You know something else, I have a natural trumpet now. I got it at Baltimore brass for my 15th birthday, the best gift ever!
Orkesten kunnen geen crescendo meer maken.. valt me steeds meer op.. elke noot moet sterker worden!!!!
Beethoven is next to Handel, Wagner one of the best composers born in Germany!
As fascinating as this is, it somehow makes me see Harnoncourt differently, in a negative way. He is very smart, very committed and knows what he wants, but there is something lacking, a passion that at heart is truly about the music. "Believe me, it is like that". "I am sure it is so". "I won this medal". It's also in his gestures and in his voice when he attempts to sing.
I've gotta say that now having paid attention to this rehearsal more, you are sort of right, especially during the first movement. I do think, though, that it's just Harnoncourt being carried away by his own ideas. Also he does take care to thank the musicians sometimes, and even when he stops he usually says "excuse me" or "Entschuldigung" (the German equivalent), something which a lot of conductors won't take care to do. Also the Chamber Orchestra of Europe has been working with Harnoncourt for 20 years by this point (including this very symphony), and from what they say about him they loved working with him, and they work with very few conductors. But I do agree that this doesn't really show Harnoncourt at his best, it's possible that the footage that was edited out might have shown him to better advantage.
It's a pity they didn't vibrate.
They should have to
How do they manage to start the piece? He just jerks and they all play together.
Willi Hansen the concertmaster gives the impulse
He does not jerk. He gives the beat and they all follow him.
That’s a feature of many European orchestras, they play very far behind the beat.
....because He lived with ALIVE music ! Great Musician !!! Not only beat, but Rithm! RIP !
Willi Hansen. U don't really understand how music is supposed to be
32:36 - So the steam locomotive was invented in ????
It was invented in 1801, this symphony was finished in 1808.
Irrelevant as he is addressing today's players who quite well know what he means.
metro-rytmiczna strona pozostawia wiele do życzenia
the metrorhythmic is terrible
13:00 cough* Eroica cough
much too rich and romantic, LESS VIBRATO AND MORE ANEMIC SOUND PLEASE.
Absolutely not my cup of tea and nothing from Beethoven's genius!
Terrible…this Interpretation Sounds like Car accidents …